Daimler Exec Discusses Plug-In Vehicles – Video

OCT 29 2014 BY MARK KANE 15

Look at All of Them Electrified Daimlers

Look at All of Them Electrified Daimlers

The 2014 Paris Motor Show was a good opportunity to talk a little bit with Daimler about alternative drive systems and here we have an interview with Jochen Eck, the man in charge of development of electric engines & testing at Daimler.

Among several topics discussed are:

  • high fuel economy of Mercedes-Benz S 500 plug-in hybrid
  • Mercedes-Benz B-Class Electric Drive
  • cooperation with Tesla, which is called “perfect partner
  • fuel cell hybrid vehicles, which is one of the center point of Daimler strategy
  • and Mercedes SLS AMG Electric Drive

 “Thomas Halaczinsky talks with Jochen Eck (in charge of development for electric engines & testing) about Mercedes-Benz B-Class Electric Drive, Mercedes-Benz S 500 PLUG-IN Hybrid as well as Daimler’s strategy concerning electric vehicles.”

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Interesting classification from Mercedes.
They plan on BEV for relatively restricted range and small size city cars, PHEV for big and long range, and FCEV for the middle size and range.

That is the first time time I have heard the pie sliced in that way.

Still selling fuel-cell?
Come on the Volt plugin concept kills any need for Hydrogen. Why force a multi-million dollar gas station upgrade for absolutely No Social Benefit?

Not more rants on the evils of fuel cells.

Most here clearly know better than the engineers at most of the car companies in the world, but they are perhaps generous in sharing it to the point of making sensible discussion impossible.


The engineers may be smart when it comes to designing and building the fuel cell propulsion system but they do not care about where the hydrogen comes from (dirty sources for the long term with bigger footprint than gas), the trillions in infrastructure that would be needed for a totally new distribution network, and what the other engineers working on BEVs are doing. Just because some people are working on it doesn’t mean it is the right choice for transportation. Most of these decisions are made by the suits above who can make dumb decisions while giving smart people tasks to work on. I think fuel cells can have other applications such as remote energy storage, for use in certain types of vessels, etc but the best case scenario for a fuel cell in the next few years is what Tesla put on the market 2 years ago

+1 Exactly. It’s not about the engineering. It’s about common sense application. Simple now vs complicated later. Occam’s razor.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

How much per kW for H2 fuel cells, and how much per mile for H2 GGE? If fuel cells can’t get more than 16kWh out of a GGE of H2, it hardly seems worth the effort and expense.

This is assuming point reformulation of CNG at service stations, because any credibly large-scale H2 consumer pumps will piggyback on CNG that’s already been in the ground for decades, at least in NA.

There’s no science behind natural gas going from $3.6 per mmbtu, to an equivalent $22 by the time it gets to CNG pumps as gasoline gallon equivalent units (GGE).

The natural gas head fake is almost as bad as Hydrogen. Too bad Mercedes is still at it.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

I reckon a good number of commercial vehicles etc. will transition to CNG or dual-fuel just in time for the last frack to taper off sharply, sending NG futures to $10+..

I wonder if he knew they would be selling their stake in Tesla shortly after he commented on owning a piece of them, and although clearly they were not telling Tesla how to run their company, but did they not have a seat on the board?

Daimler lost their seat on Tesla’s board in late 2012 after their stake in Tesla dipped below 5%.

I have yet to hear a serious discussion about the costs of all this FCV stuff, nor have I heard who the multitudes of customers are supposed to be, nor have I heard the final retail price of fuel at either a public station, or at home, and if at home, how much it is going to cost to refuel, and the cost of the station.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

The only figure I’m certain of is 9, which is the number of CARB credits a 300mi FCEV garners. That allows manufacturers to build an awful lot of profitable gassers and pretend they care about energy independence while not actually contributing to it.


Yeah, well, I dont live in California, and long time readers here know what I think.

At least Alice in Wonderland had a purpose.