Current LEAF Owners Chime In On New 2018 Nissan LEAF – Video

JAN 9 2018 BY MARK KANE 29

In the UK, owners of the first generation Nissan LEAF gathered to check out the second generation LEAF at the Electric Vehicle Experience Centre in Milton Keynes.

2018 Nissan LEAF

As one would imagine, Nissan presents first impressions that are all very positive.

Customers said that they are happy with their LEAFs and note they like the new one even more because of its 40 kWh battery (more range), stronger regen (and the e-Pilot mode) as well as the new look that makes the LEAF much more conventional in appearance. Perhaps even a bit sporty, dare we say.

Production of the European LEAF in Sunderland, UK is expected to start any time now as thousands of consumers await the cars (750 alone in France opted for special edition 2.ZERO).

Bonus: the 2018 Nissan LEAF at the Los Angeles Auto Show

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This LEAF is going to be a big hit. Especially worldwide. France and the UK have perfect climates for the air cooled pack, and the general consumer doesn’t really care how the battery pack’s temperature is managed.

In the ‘states, we drive longer distances and southern states deal with high temperatures. Most will lease, just as they have before. Nissan’s challenge is to turn renters into buyers. The 220+ mile 2019 LEAF will be a game changer.

Define Big Hit in terms of numbers. I think they will sell some of them, but a Big Hit? Not really. Like the Bolt was a Big Hit?

It is easy to make it a hit by adjusting the taxes on petrol cars. In Norway where there are 0 tax on EV and the Leaf is a big hit. It was the third most sold car in Norway in 2016 and reached 30.000 sold cars in 2017 (from the start). Nissan report a huge increased interest after the new model, so the sales will increase, but many waits for the 60 kWh model. If Munich and Paris make it difficult to own a petrol car, the Leaf and other EV might become a huge hit also in absolute sales figures, not just percentages in a small country. I understand the carbuyers when they buy a BMW 5-series with the low price / tax they have in Germany and England (I don’t know the level in France).

Sure, the top 3 in Norway is impressive, and restrictions on petrol cars will help sales.
I was trying to get specific numbers as to what a Big Hit actually is.

well in japan they sold over 11,000 units in under 2 months and with over 10,000 units on order and counting for Europe without the US sales I think over 90,000 in the 2018 year is realistic 🙂 Ill be doing my best to promote the vehicle as I’ll be taxing in it and featuring the vehicle on my youtube channel 🙂

Yeah, I think I saw your video. Sure they will sell a lot in Japan. Like you said there is practical value. 90k in the U.S. in 2018?
I think half of that would be amazing, so, no they will not sell 90k, in the U.S. But keep pitching.

Oh, sorry misread. Without the U.S. Ok they may sell 90k, worldwide. Though I think they will fall short.

I think 90k is somewhat conservative. The Nissan leaf seems the least volume constrained of any EV. Three factories and batteries made right there. The US facility has literally several times more capability. I think the high end would be 150,000 worldwide. My estimate is 100,000

Well, Nissan’s own expectations are within the 100K-150K range, globally (doubling to tripling the first-gen sales), see here:

That doesn’t most likely include the 220mi version, since it’s supposed to be a “2019” model, meaning not actually selling in any volume until then.
Given the various improvements, it doesn’t look unreasonable. Nissan certainly has the production capacity and experience, so it’s only a market demand question.

The Model 3 shorter-range is unlikely to be available before mid-year; the only other inexpensive 150+ mi BEV is the physically one class smaller Renault Zoé. All other BEV models expected to be available this year (e-Golf, i3, IONIQ etc. are 110-125mi .

@ffbj Not “like Bolt was a big hit”. Bolt was an engineering hit, and GM’s shot fired statement at Tesla. Who on earth would call Bolt a big sales hit?! Not me! GM is all about compliance and not promoting the Bolt and Volt. They’ll offer a 45kwh Bolt after the tax credit, and a Buick Bolt for $49,500. LEAF will force GM to compete…heck, they may even run a Bolt ad in a non ZEV credit state! LEAF will be a big sales hit. How big? What is a hit on the sales floor in regards to EVs? You tell me. I’d say a Model 3 is a grand slam if Tesla moves 120,000/yr.. LEAF 2.0 will easily sell over 100,000/yr. internationally. LEAF 2.5, in 2019 could sell 60,000 in the United States alone. That is a big hit in my book since GM thought it could sell 60,000 gen 1 Volts in 2011 and many thought the same for Nissan and LEAF 1.0. GM has made it clear just today that China is their EV play. LEAF 2.0 and 2.5 will, along with Model 3 and Y will pull GM, and most likely Toyota, VW, Hyundai and KIA… Read more »

A lot of people called the Bolt a Hit, I just find the terminology not specific enough.

If they make all those numbers I would call it a Big Hit. 2/3 of that a hit. Half of your projections a dud.

If Tesla doesn’t get to accelerating its Model Y ramp up in production, in the next 24 months, I think there might be some sales lost to would be EV contenders come 2021. When the Fed 7.5K credit dries up for Tesla, and not some of its Johnny come lately rivals, this may inhibit the ability for further Tesla market penetration.

My definition of “hit” for the Bolt was 3,000 a month for 2017. That was my prediction, but they only managed about 2000 a month. Now I just don’t see them increasing sales much from here on out. People will hold out for the 35,000$ M3 or seriously consider the Leaf and Leaf 60.

My guess is the lack of charging infrastructure and the perception that a 35,000$ M3 would be available made the Bolt less attractive, especially at 37500 without DC charging. That was asking people to pay more for less. The first thing I thought when I saw the M3 was “This just made the Bolt a 30,000$ car”.

Big Hit definition? – Search Nissan Leaf on google, read Wikipedia

Note: More than 250,000 Leafs have been sold worldwide through December 2016, making the Leaf the world’s all-time best-selling highway-capable electric car in history.

There’s your Big Hit !

The Bolt was the second best selling EV in 2017 (US), if that’s not a hit nothing is.

“The 220+ mile 2019 LEAF will be a game changer.”

Cars that exist only in the future are always game changers.

Nissan wet the bed with this turkey. Its competition is the Bolt, which is ahead of it from day one. If Nissan then tries to get into a price war with GM, they will find that nobody wins a price war with GM.

The Bolt’s MSRP starts $7500 higher than the LEAF. How are they competitors? Guaranteed the LEAF outsells the Bolt 2 to 1.

The LEAF is best EV cheaper than the Model 3 (with all due respect to the eGolf). In a year or less, the Bolt will be caught in no-man’s-land. It’s small, has no ProPilot equivalent, and can’t compete with a similarly priced Tesla (charging network, looks, performance, etc). It’s market will be people who hate sedans (and can’t wait for the Y), don’t care for tech, but still need 200 miles of range. That’s it.

The 2019 LEAF 60kWh will be in a similar situation, but not as bad.

The Leaf is almost guaranteed to outsell the Bolt, at least worldwide, because it sounds like Nissan is actually going to make the car in sufficient numbers. Bolt is totally production constrained and it doesn’t seem like GM wants to open up the taps. GM could easily double worldwide sales of the Bolt if they doubled production and sent an equal amount of them to Europe.

I’d say selling 3-4x as many Bolt is possible. But GM doesn’t seem to want to, probably because the car isn’t very profitable, or it could even be losing money.

Nissan is no long the small player they use to be. Nissan is now a part of the largest auto group in the world. Chevy is about to feel the heat big time. You’ll see.

I think the 60kWh LEAF will sell less than the base version. By mid-2019, Tesla will be taking deposits on the Y, and the 3 will have a short wait time.

The LEAF’s strength is the base version.

Surprising that they haven’t started production until now. Shouldn’t the first US Leafs start showing up at dealerships this month?

Yes, the 2018 Leaf is starting its arrival this month here in Los Angeles. The hour long test drive demonstrations, where the Leaf representatives come to your location, might have already started this week. They definitely start next week, as mine is scheduled mid week.

Actually this is not correct on this news here. The production of the European Leaf started already three weeks ago:

Beware of the term ‘orders’.

I ‘ordered’ a 2018 Leaf by clicking on an email link. All that did was register my interest; I gave them no money and I have no obligation to buy.

Correction – Nissan officially confirmed its 300,000th LEAF delivery. Thanks to an early introduction, in December of 2010, the Nissan LEAF is still the best selling all-electric car in the world.

Updated on BIG HIT definition !

Great job Nissan. It will be nice if they specify how many units of Leaf-1 is sold so far.

Ideally Nissan could have replaced
Analog dashboard with Digital like the newer electric vehicles.
Gear stick with the touch buttons in dashboard (Up Arrow – Drive, Down Arrow – Reverse and a Circle – Neutral). Gear stick belongs to gasmobiles where there are multiple gears and has manumatic shifters.

Hope they launch the long range (60 KWh) version sooner.

The 2018 Leaf along with the Zoe are now available at a price/perfomance point where it makes a lot of financial sense to own them even without incentives – I think that is the best news.

We are finally getting to the point where we have enough different models of plug-in cars, with different enough characteristics, that buying decisions for those of us already in the EV camp are a bit complicated.

My wife and I are discussing when to replace my 2013 Leaf, and with what. Do we get a 150-mile 2018 Leaf S (only about $20k with state and federal incentives)? Do we wait for the 225-mile 2019 Leaf? Or do we get a 238-mile Kia Niro? What about a 238-mile Bolt? Maybe a Clarity EV, when they become locally available?

It’s no longer enough for us to say we’ll buy an EV; we actually have to put some effort into figuring out which one. That’s progress, even if it forces us to do some serious requirements and cost/benefit analysis.

Yeah, it’s getting kind of exciting actually having choices!

That being said, if I were you, and your Leaf is still cutting it, I’d probably hold off for at least another year or two. Things should only keep getting better in terms of range and selection going forward.