Consumer Reports’ Tesla Model S P85D Door Handles Break Before Testing Begins – Video

MAY 14 2015 BY ELECTRICCARSTV 51

It was just the door handle that broke (said to be the most common problem with the Model S) and Tesla makes house calls, so the break wasn’t but a minor issue; but still, probably not the best start to the review:

Consumer Reports paid $127,000 for a Tesla Model S P85D but the door handle malfunctioned not long after the car arrived at our Connecticut test track. It’s an issue that has surfaced in our reliability surveys. But Tesla makes house calls.

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51 Comments on "Consumer Reports’ Tesla Model S P85D Door Handles Break Before Testing Begins – Video"

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CDAVIS

CR’s reporting/rating of Model S has been VERY positive (i.e.2015 Car Of The Year) to date. To the extend that a little negative Tesla reporting by CR, such as this very minor door handle issue, helps both CR & Tesla because it implies that CR is not a shill for Tesla…and CR at the end spun the door handle issue as a positive to Tesla by highlighting the Tesla Home Repair Service.

There is no doubt that the CR guys very much like the Model S…I’d place good money that it’s the one car from the CR fleet they argue and draw straws on who gets to drive it home for the “real world testing”.

See Through

The question is, who gives CR (a non-profit organization?) the money to buy these expensive cars? They bought a Model S also last year or earlier.

You could be stuck out in the middle where in the cold because of this ‘just a door handle’ problem. Doesn’t matter if Tesla comes and fixes it in a few hours.

CDAVIS

@See Through asks: โ€œThe question is, who gives CR (a non-profit organization?) the money to buy these expensive cars?โ€
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Answer: Mostly from subscription fees by Joe Consumer to http://www.consumerreports.org which I am one. I think CR does an overall great job including their reporting on Tesla Model S.

Dr. Miguelito Loveless

Consumer Reports is a publication of Consumer Union, a non-profit foundation supported by subscripttions, donations and endowments. They take no advertising, and buy all products just as consumers do. They do NOT take demos or review products from manufacturers.

Lensman

Consumers Union, which publishes CR, is not a “non-profit” organization… which generally means charity. It is a “not for profit” organization. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t have any income; it’s just that it doesn’t have the aim of making money, as businesses do.

But hey, “See Through”, nice attempt there at trying to insinuate that CR and/or its staff is taking money or “gifts” in exchange for good ratings, as most auto review magazines do. BTW, how long has it been since you were caught in a Tesla stock short squeeze? ๐Ÿ˜€

kdawg

Elon – Do not put these on the Model 3. Removing them will also help w/the cost reduction. K.I.S.S.

Big Solar

+1…… and half size touch screen…….

Micke Larsson

Half sized touch screen would make no sense. A lot of it’s features and usability is because of the size. And the cost reduction would be minor, not validating such a move.

Open-Mind

Reduce cost? A half-sized touch screen would dramatically increase cost. The second redundant part would reduce economies of scale. But probably worse, the new small size means nearly all their user-interface software has to be re-designed. And that second code-base has to be maintained and re-tested every time there is an update. Bad all around.

Agree on the door handles though … the option of “normal” (probably cheaper) door handles would be nice.

I really hope the rear doors on the Model X have been tested more carefully than the door handles. If they have similar problems, the Model X could be a flop.

Lustuccc

Actually a smaller screen would probably INCREASE costs, since the 17″ screen is more of a standard size we can buy at any computer store. A 19″ touch screen would lower costs.

kdawg

I’d like a smaller more integrated screen as well. The 17″ one just doesn’t look like it belongs. If it costs money to update the software so be it. But that would be a one-time cost, and software is something Tesla appears to be good at.

Alonso Perez

It’s not a one time cost. You need to do all the UI twice for every new screen and feature.

speculawyer

This. Don’t split the code base.

Rob Andrews

Do what Apple did, make the screen smaller and keep the resolution the same. No UI change required.

Anon

No. Old people everywhere will hate you.

Dr. Miguelito Loveless

You speak soothely.

Rob Andrews

It is all a matter of degrees. Make the screen 7″ and anyone over 45 will not like it. Make the screen 15″ or 13″ (a little more than 20% smaller) and it will fine. You will also hit the laptop sweet spot for low cost screens. I know Plenty of old folks that can use iPad with 10″ screen fine

Open-Mind

“Do what Apple did, make the screen smaller and keep the resolution the same.”

Apple has never done that for one screen that is twice the size of another screen. You may be thinking of the 10″ iPad vs 8″ iPad-Mini. Those share resolution, but it’s only an 80% scaling. At 50%, everything would be too small to read/touch, especially while driving. That’s why the Tesla UI would all need to be redesigned.

David Stone

I would like to see any touchscreen coverable.

Nothing shouts “break into my car” than a clearly visible expensive looking object.

Lensman

I fail to see the advantage of a smaller screen. Tesla’s interface is almost universally praised. If there is any change to be made, it should be in the mind of the driver, to accept a large dash display as normal instead of “wrong”. A larger screen is also good for those of us with aging eyes that need a larger typeface to read easily.

The only change I’d make is to lock out the display of non-vital functions while the car is moving. Inviting distracted driving is dangerous.

Omar Sultan

I am going to guess everyone lobbying for a smaller touchscreen has not actually lived with the current touchscreen.

speculawyer

Or fix them. It is embarrassing that they are still flaky years later.

jill jill

I think K.I.S. is Sufficient Enough….I wouldn’t Accuse Elon of Extra S. He is Far From It ….

sven

No, K.I.S. is not sufficient enough! I would tell Elon to K.I.S.S.: keep it simple samurai. ๐Ÿ˜€

Jim_NJ

There was quite a lot of discussion about this broken door handle yesterday:

http://insideevs.com/consumer-reports-provides-initial-impressions-tesla-model-s-p85d/

Of note, is that according to CR, the car was disabled due to the fault:

โ€œExcept this time the one on the driverโ€™s door of our P85D didnโ€™t pop out, leaving us no way to open the door from the outside. And significantly, with the car sensing a problem, wouldnโ€™t drive.โ€

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/05/consumer-reports-tesla-model-s-p85d-breaks-before-testing-begins/index.htm

I sure hope the Model 3 keeps it simple and doesn’t use these types of handles!

Lensman

Yeah, the thing about the car refusing to operate because it detected a fault in the door handle operation is a lot bigger concern to me than the actual malfunction of just one door handle… not “handles” as the headline states. Having to get into the driver’s seat by entering thru the passenger door and climbing over is awkward, but most of us older drivers have had to do that more than once in our lives.

Seems to me the car should be designed to distinguish between “Fatal error, do not start” and “Non-fatal error; this can be fixed later, let’s go ahead and drive now.”

Yes, I know that in the event, the Consumer Reports team was able to deal with the situation using a smartphone app. But what if the driver was alone and didn’t have a smartphone with him? I just don’t see any good reason to design the car so it won’t start simply because an automatic door handle doesn’t work.

Otmar

The driver door is unique on many cars since it is intricately involved with allowing the car to shut down. If I put my Tesla in park and then leave via another door the car stays on until I open the drivers door. The action is similar to the headlights on my old Toyota van.
I don’t know if this relation contributed to the problem that CR experienced.

Ocean Railroader

This really came as no surprise to me. But I would bet it would cost a few hundred cookies to get fixed.

Denis

During the last 2 years 1 never had a any problem with my handles.

See Through

Which car are you driving? I also never had a door handle problem in the last 2 decades.

bro1999

I’ve heard of S owners literally having the door handles frozen in place, due to snow and/or ice. If Elon does include it on the ‘3’, it should be as an option.

Anon

Or they have a heater built in…

See Through

Use a hair dryer to warm it first. It opens up the market for Tesla accessories.

Mike777

SAMPLE SIZE: 1.

No panic required.

kdawg

If you read the article or watched the video you would realize it’s a much larger sample size.

‘said to be the most common problem with the Model S’

Lensman

Much as I love Tesla, I have to agree. The door handles, which automatically extend when you touch them, have been problematic since the very first with the Model S, and now it’s clear they still haven’t entirely solved the problem. Yes, I realize the failure rate is now pretty low, but it’s still the most common malfunction, and it’s an “unforced error”. It’s a problem which could be eliminated quite easily by simply using the same kind of handle other car makers use.

This also does not bode well for concerns about the Model X falcon-wing doors. Like the extend-at-a-touch door handles, they seem to be an unnecessarily complex gosh-wow gimmick that’s put on the car more for show than functionality; a gimmick which Tesla would be better off replacing with something simpler.

Tesla Moscow

1. door handles
2. cabin/doors sealings
3. pano
4. 12v battery
5. contactors in the HV batt
6. drive unit
7. window mechanisms
8. MCU
9. instrumental cluster
10. wheel alignment
11. squeky and chepo interior
12. breaking seatbelts ๐Ÿ™‚
13. burnt/broken charge cords
14. noisy AC pump
15. roof sealant (cars with pano)
16. covers for luggage rack ๐Ÿ™‚ (every second wash)

….
poor service, no spare parts (EU), messed up sales staff, strange invoicing, new rules every month…

yep..and we still buy them …but will stop once BMW or MB makes long range lux perf EV and finally we can select a dealer we like not be stuck with one of the Tesla service centers.

kdawg

I don’t see any Tesla service centers in Moscow. Closest one is Helsinki, Finland.

Tesla Moscow

Closest working one is in Berlin.

Regardless of their location in EU they are all over crowded, undereducated and process messed up. Hope that US ones aren’t the same.
I have 30+ cars we have to watch for…reliability and built quality is a huge problem for TM. And unfortunately they are not fixing most of the things. Adding D and “autoilot” is not fixing the bugs just adding new ones.
I’d rather see both.
They are still the best now, but need competition badly. It’s coming. So let’s wait and see:) while driving MS.
There is an abyss in quality between what TM does now and even 5er/eclass/a6. Come on, one can stick 1 and on some cars 2 fingers between body panels:)

Speculawyer

Sorry, we don’t want to keep buying your oil.

Mike777

MB has worse reliability.

Fabian

Won’t Tesla come to your house and fix all of this if you just pick up the phone?

If you are so unhappy and so many things are broken and you are not getting any service, why don’t you ask for your money back?

Lensman

Read between the lines. “Tesla Moscow” doesn’t own a Tesla car, nor is he planning to get one. He works in the service department of a gas guzzler dealership, and he’s terrified of competition from Tesla and the rave reviews its service departments get from everyone, including Consumer Reports. He knows his company can’t compete; that’s why he’s posting all that FUD, including his downright hilarious claims of “poor service” staffed by “undereducated” service people. ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

CherylG's_DirtyLittleSecret

This is the epitome of over engineering where it didn’t need to be.

A plain handle would do the same thing for less.

Yes LESS.

Now the handle needs a sensor, stepper motors with sensors to know what position it’s in, wiring electricals for it to work and computer code to basically immobilize the car on malfunction.

I don’t recall any car that gets “Bricked” if the door handles get stuck……lol

Alonso Perez

Yep. It’s probably the single dumbest idea in the whole car. All things considered, that speaks very well of the car.

JakeY

People on TMC have doubts about the car not being able to drive. The keyless driving app’s 2 minute limit only applies to the time to press the brake and put the car into drive (if you do nothing for 2 minutes, the request will expire and you have to do it over again). There appears to be no limit to the amount of time you can drive the car (otherwise what is the point?)

http://www.teslarati.com/how-does-tesla-keyless-driving-work/

Lensman

Okay, thanks.

But the average driver wouldn’t know that. Just like the infamous “Broderization” of a Tesla Model S, someone unfamiliar with the car can have a lot of problems he wouldn’t have with a gas guzzler. In some ways driving a BEV is more complex, and requires more planning. I suppose in time that will change. In the early decades of a previous motorcar tech revolution, it wasn’t easy to drive a Ford Model T (for example, you had to adjust the spark advance manually), or start one in the years before the electric starter.

Alonso Perez

I was never a fan of these door handles. Still not. Rather have something mechanical.

See Through

It is helpful for those who have lost their fingers.

Djoni

Certainly something that nobody will miss.
Beside doing absolutely nothing better that cannot be done whith conventional reliable door laching mechanism.
If you think about aerodynamism, you need to think again.
It’s finding a problem for a solution, IMO.
No I don’t own a Tesla, and I would love to have the spare money to have one, but door handle ain’t in any way the premises.

Bill Howland
Yeah as a Tesla owner (its up in the air whether I will be one a week from now), this I find the most discouraging thing about their products. One of the Tesla Techs told me a few years ago now basically ALL of the initial door handles have had to be replaced. Now, as this CR issue indicates, they are still having trouble at this late date. My roadster has been the most trouble-prone vehicle I’ve ever owned, and also the most expensive to service. Unexpected repairs are costly, but so is Tesla’s ‘routine’ maintenance, which, I probably wouldn’t have purchased if I knew it was going to need as much as it did since I basically bought the car off the ‘Website Brouchure’ and should have asked the tough questions first as I usually do with any purchase. So once bit and twice shy, I asked the hard, politically incorrect questions before taking the plunge into an “S” or “X”. I did install (2) NEMA 14-50R’s in my garage thinking that surely sooner or later I’d buy something, but now I doubt it. The Roadster suffers from silly changes to the Lotus Elise, and it has nothing to… Read more »