Consumer Reports’ Talking Cars Discusses 103-Point Score For Tesla Model S P85D – Video

AUG 27 2015 BY ELECTRICCARSTV 30

Follow-up video from Consumer Reports discussing the 103-point score for the Tesla Model S P85D:

“It’s official: the Tesla Model S P85D “broke” Consumer Reports’ ratings scale. We explain why the P85D earned this distinction, and how we ultimately scored it a 100. As we discuss though, that doesn’t mean the P85D is the perfect car. For starters, there’s the matter of its $127,820 price tag.”

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30 Comments on "Consumer Reports’ Talking Cars Discusses 103-Point Score For Tesla Model S P85D – Video"

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bjdahm@netscape.net

jeez these guys are hard to watch… their mannerisms and awkwardly forced banter is like fingernails to a chalkboard. i now know why i have never heard of this show before.

and of course, they love the car. it gets a perfect 100 score. it has everything anyone could ever want in a car. it’s the most awesome car on the road blah blah blah. but nah, give me the audi rs7 cuz ‘i don’t want any limitations’. or, ‘i wouldn’t buy one because there are too many on the road.’ what a joke. give me a break…

These are just bunch of paid Tesla agents working for CR. Isn’t it the same car that became undrivable just after they got it new?
“Consumer Reports Declares Tesla Model S P85D ‘Undrivable’ Due To Glitch”
http://www.automnews.com/?p=219533

Anon

You seem pretty sure that there is only one color that paints the entire world you see. I assure you, there is an unimaginable spectrum of other possibilities out there.

Too bad you won’t allow yourself to see them.

ffbj

Tsk, tsk! Tesla agents aren’t paid. I thought you knew that. They work for free, well… and Tesla swag.

tftf

Embarassing for CR. A 100 point rating system goes to 100.
Is CR the new marketing outlet for Tesla?

There was a clear bias for Tesla in CR before with the 99 score – while ignoring reliability to a large extent:

Reliability is VERY important for resale/residual value in the car industry – or in the case of the Model S, a glaring lack of it.

Model S has an average score at best in that regard – how does that go with a 103 score?

A cars resale value is based on supply and demand. Sports cars as a group have the highest resale values. Also they have some of the lowest reliability scores.

tftf

You can go on eBay and other used car sites to quickly find that Model S resale values are not that great.

Who wants a used old $85 when there’s a new $70 with little range impact AND new sensor packages?

We will see how Tesla’s residual value guarantuee pans out in a few years.

Nix

Resale value when you calculate it based upon Net Sales Price (which factors in state and federal tax incentives) is actually much better than P85’s peers built by BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, Cadillac, etc.

You want to talk depreciation? Let’s talk Mercedes S-Class or CL-Class.

Yes, the P85’s depreciate faster than a Subaru Impreza (one of the lowest depreciation cars). But so do every other high dollar car anywhere near the same category of a P85.

Big Solar

over 2 years and mine has no reliability issues. wth?

tftf

The average fleet defines quality, not a single customer’s good/bad experience.

acevolt

I don’t see how they are the new marketing arm of Tesla when two out of three of their reviews would not buy one themselves. To me this points to a useless rating system, if it results in a high score for a vehicle they don’t recommend.

Pushmi-Pullyu

tftf said:

:There was a clear bias for Tesla in CR before with the 99 score – while ignoring reliability to a large extent:”

You don’t understand. This is a “test drive” scoring system. Reliability doesn’t enter into it. Consumer Reports also rates reliability based on a survey of actual owners. CR has given reliability ratings for previous versions of the Model S, in different articles.

Obviously no reliability rating can be given when a car is brand new, nor is it appropriate to give a car model a reliability rating based on a sample size of one.

Nothing against Tesla, but I am seriously considering replacing my Toilet paper with Consumer reports.
1. The convenience of home charging should award every plug-in some credit.
2. The testers are the only ones stupid enough to drive a car coast to coast. For long trips most people would choose to Fly.
3. Every company has a different product mix. No scores should ever be given out for the Vehicle brand.
4.Consumer reports should follow industry standards for testing the vehicles. When comparing vehicles tested by Car & Driver; Motortrend; Edmunds; Motorweek; & Car & Driver. Consumer Reports numbers are meaningless.

5. And Cars tested 10 years ago have nothing to do with reliability today.

ModernMarvelFan

Yes, Tesla is awesome.

But CR is just stupid to score something higher than its own max rating system.

They just sound like a bunch of clueless idiot with that kind of rating.

Lindsay Patten

Since in reality the scale doesn’t max out at 100 the logical thing to do would be to change the definition of the scale to max out at 110 or 120.

sven

Changing the Consumer Reports scale to max out at 110 or 120 instead of 100 would be like making a guitar amp that goes to 11. 😉

Pushmi-Pullyu

Lindsay Patten said:

“Since in reality the scale doesn’t max out at 100 the logical thing to do would be to change the definition of the scale to max out at 110 or 120.”

I can’t believe these reviewers were actually asking, apparently in all seriousness, (paraphrasing) ~”If the Model S is that much better than all other cars, does that mean we should push down the ratings of all other cars?”~

Apparently these guys never heard of “grading on the curve”. The point scoring system should be indexed to a bell curve, with the average in any category for all cars getting a score of “50”, regardless of how much lower it is on an absolute scale than a score of “100”.

Maybe these guys know cars, but they sure don’t know how to grade on the curve!

Anon

The important take away from the video discussion, is that Consumer Reports’ Staff were forced to re-evaluate how to evaluate cars. The model S breaks many old ICE sedan paradigms, so critiquing it was challenging with respect to what came before it.

We’ll see what Model X does for the crossover market. 🙂

Pushmi-Pullyu
Okay, I watched the video. My reactions: Hmmm. I’m a Tesla enthusiast, but to try to look at this objectively: Given that they made several negative comments about the car, there is absolutely no way it should have received a score of 100 out of 100. Sure, 100 for performance, for fuel efficiency, for safety, for pleasurable driving, maybe 100 for comfort. (At least, when I rode in a Tesla Model S, I was immediately struck by how very comfortable the seat felt the instant I sat in it. Luxury indeed!) But in the discussion, the reviewers gave it a downcheck for quality of the interior materials; not as compared to an average car, but as compared to other similarly priced cars. They also noted the range limitations of driving a BEV, and the time required for en-route charging. That should result in a lower than 100 score for convenience in driving, as compared to most cars… that is, gasmobiles. I hadn’t really thought about it when CR gave its first Tesla Model S a score of 99 out of 100, but now that I think about it, it seems that no car should get a perfect score unless it… Read more »
ffbj

Much ado about nothing. The measurement model did not properly account for the capabilities of the car.

Similar to what happened in safety tests where Tesla got all 5 in all categories and broke the scale, figuratively and literally.

Bill Howland
I have a healthy skepticism toward all of this. My main source of information for the Model S seems to be my Canadian friends who own them. We’re in similar climates so at least I know what to expect when winter comes. I don’t know why these ‘car sites’ can’t just give objective information, but reliability is very high on my personal scale of ‘wants’ and my previous experience with Tesla indicates the Model S would give me headaches, as my Roadster was the most unreliable car I’ve ever owned, with most of the reliability problems arbitrarily caused by Tesla themselves, changing things like the doors which prospective ev purchasers could really care less about when wanting to purchase an electric car. I’ve never cared for Consumer Reports underlying arrogance over the years with its car reports, but these guys seem borderline childish in their enthusiasm. At one time CR refused any direct or indirect compensation. The fact that they do not consider reliability (they would OF COURSE say that’s a ‘technical issue’ and not germane to the car itself), makes their review somewhat dicey. The question must be asked do they REALLY believe the car is THAT GOOD, or… Read more »
Bill Howland
I can’t believe they are still using that MPGE figure which is not comparible to a gas powered miles-per-gallon. Many here with confiscatory electric rates state that electricity cost with the Tesla would be much higher, than powering a car with gasoline. People here in general criticize toyota since their comparisons assume you just get the Hydrogen out of the ground. Well you can’t just plug in to the ground or dig up a bucket full of electricity either, whereas with gasoline, you, in effect, can.. It goes into the concept of how much processing has already gone into the fuel prior to its entry into the car, which with electricity, its already been greatly processed. Charging my 2 evs with my solar panels is incredibly inefficient since the panels are around 14% efficient and its about 12-13% efficient by the time it gets to the car connector. So my ev’s charged with sunshine are under 1/2 the efficiency of a gasoline powered car, the difference of course being the SUN is both Prolific and Free. But i’d never say it gets 100 mpg, a ridiculous figure. Now it is legitimate for PHEV makers to say the car gets 200… Read more »
Sean Gray

Really. You have a great amount of confidence in yourself to sign your name to that post.

Bill Howland

If you have a substantive comment to make, or disagree with my analysis, please make the point. But factless snide remarks cheapen this venue.

This is not ‘rocket science’, so its at low risk that I sign my name to it.

Sean Gray

Perhaps, all the people that wrote about Tesla agents, etcetera, should drive the Tesla before embarrassing themselves with their asinine comments.

Bill Howland

Thin skinned are we?

I’ve driven a model S 3 times, my Roadster over 1200 times, I own 2 evs, and am on my 3rd EV. I figure that gives me enough ‘creds’ to comment since I have a passing familiarity with day to day life with electric cars.

Fact is, I would have kept my Roadster had it been a better car. I really WANTED to like it more than unfortunately was my experience.

Sean Gray

No question that the Roadster had issues. But, the S is such a fun car to drive. In the two years that I’ve owned it, I’ve had one issue: I needed new wiper blades. My car is the P85+, and it is really a blast….better than any of the Porsches, Mercedes, on Beemers that I’ve owned: acceleration wise, handling wise, and especially maintenance wise.
Try it, you’ll love it.

Bill Howland

Well, ok, The #1 concern I have due to where I live is reliable performance in cold weather. Initially, as Broder proved, the S was absolutely horrible in this regard. Also, the minnisota woman I talked about who made a 13 hour field trip in 65 hours.

Supposedly, those issues have been at least partially addressed. But its hard to find factual information as to Real World performance under such conditions, and $100,000 is a bit much for me with my current state of finances to experiment with unless I know for sure how the car is going to perform.

Now my Volt, and more so, my ELR have a bunch of silly idiosynchrosies
which I also ridicule (the latest is my ELR has, in effect, no intermittent wipers, which the cheapest car available today does have), but both cars will easily survive the winter, albeit operating totally in Gasoline Mode. The ELR apparently will run the engine all the time below 36 degrees, and that’s about 1/3 of the year where I am. But at least it will work.

ffbj

I wrote a sarcastic comment about Tesla agents. Maybe you to referring to that. It was supposed to be humor. All the other people who made such comments would be 1, @See Through, and I agree with your assessment of his comment.