Consumer Reports’ Quick Drive Of 2017 Chevrolet Bolt – Video

DEC 19 2016 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 113

Consumer Reports has released its quick drive video of the 2017 Chevrolet Bolt.

Chevrolet Bolt

Chevrolet Bolt

Previously, Consumer Reports praised the Bolt on numerous occasions:

Consumer Reports Chevrolet Bolt First Drive

Talking Cars Consumer Reports Chevrolet Bolt

As with the previous Consumer Reports Bolt videos, there are multiple Tesla mentions, including references to the Model 3 – seen as a natural competitor with its estimated similar range and prcie-point.

But when the talk focuses on the Bolt EV itself, Consumer Reports basically states that it’s a well-rounded car, with ample interior space and more than enough range.

Overall, the Bolt EV handles well enough and is quite capable, but perhaps it only lacks the hard-to-explain gotta-have-it factor.

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Cancelling the M3 and hoping that you can get a Bolt is foolish, because GM will not make enough Bolts. So you will end up with no M3 and no Bolt.

GM has scale to meet demand. Sure if everybody with a M3 reservation jumped ship GM would have trouble meeting demand. But GM has a fair bit of room to scale production (including battery production)

GM does not have any real capacity to increase the Bolt since they are battery-limited in their production capacity, which is why they are not available across the US and only running their production plant for only one-shift making 100 cars a day. By the end of 2018, Tesla will be out producing GM Bolts with their Model 3, probably producing close to 1,000 cars a day. By then the Bolt production will be limited by market demand, it will not fare well against the coming Tesla Model 3.

And your reasoning for this is what? That LG can’t figure out how to make more batteries but Panasonic can?

This makes no sense. Production can be scaled up by LG/GM as easily as by Tesla. They just need to have the will to do it.

unlucky said: “Production can be scaled up by LG/GM as easily as by Tesla. They just need to have the will to do it.” If GM tries to scale up production quickly, then it will run into the same wall that Tesla and Nissan did: The inability to get their battery supplier to ramp up production as quickly as they need. If and when GM gets serious about making and selling long-range PEVs in large numbers, then they will move to build their own battery factories, just like Nissan did, Tesla is doing, and various other large automakers are making plans to do. Trying to handwave away the limitation of depending on a single outside supplier, whether it’s LG Chem or Panasonic or whoever, for battery supply, is simply denying reality. There are excellent reasons why Tesla moved to spend billions of dollars to build its own battery factory, rather than continuing to try unsuccessfully to get Panasonic to ramp up production as fast as they needed. Sure, one reason is to lower the battery prices, but an even more important reason is so Tesla — not Panasonic — can control the rate of production. Those who think GM has… Read more »

Once GM and the others get CARB and EPA to relax or eliminate their specs, it will be the death of the Bolt/EV2.

There is no going back from EVs and every auto maker in the world knows it…
There is news all the time now about possible ICE bans and it is only a matter of time before the bans switch from possible to actual…

“Ministry wants to allow driving bans on gasoline and diesel cars

In the fight against nitrogen oxides, the Federal Ministry of the Environment plans to allow the local authorities to prohibit driving in inner cities. Driving could be severely restricted.”

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A//m.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/a-1126230.html%23spRedirectedFrom%3Dwww%26referrrer%3D

I listed GM’s supplier. They are part of the supply chain. Why is it considered impossibly quick for GM to ramp up but not for Tesla? This person says Tesla will be out-producing GM by end of 2018. Why? The end of 2018 is the same amount of time from now for GM as Tesla. Why is is presumed Tesla can ramp up by end of 2018 but GM/LG cannot? It doesn’t make any sense. As to the idea of GM making their own battery plants, it isn’t a slam dunk. There is more than one way to create a supply chain. The Rouge plant showed the way for 80 years, then the Japanese came in and showed how contracted outsourcing is also viable and sometimes better. Just because Musk thinks that having Panasonic produce in a Tesla plant is a win doesn’t mean it’s the same for every company. And trying to handwave and pretend Tesla is less dependent on a single supplier than GM is utter nonsense. Tesla is dependent on Panasonic solely for everything except Roadster replacement packs. And even if you think it is in-house, there’s nothing magic about being in-house. That’s a single source also.… Read more »

Because Gigafactory.

It’s just a building. And there is no compelling reason to have one big building when you can have many small ones.

LG has many buildings. They don’t brag about them on Twitter so you might not know.

Wait, there’s a world outside of Twitter? Somebody better tell Trump too! 😉

+1

They do not brag about them because there is nothing to brag about.

LG is at best 50% of Panasonic (when comparing capacities).

Tesla do what? 200 000 cars a year. GM thus can do only 130 000 cars a year (60kWh vs 80kWh).

Tesla do gigafactory to produce 500 000 M3/Bolt sized batteries. LG do what?

What would need LG to do to catch Panasonic? increase production by 5 times? 10 times?

Pipe dream.

LG can narrow the gap slightly maybe, They can not catch up.

All above under best scenario for GM where they get all of LG capacity while 30+ other customers get none.

Tesla is currently making 200K cars/year? Where do you get that from? Their projections as of May this year were 80K-90K sales (global) for CY2016, and they way things are looking now, they’ll be lucky to hit 85K.

What? You just made the same argument as others did before you. We’re talking about 2 years from now. LG can increase capacity in that time as easily as Panasonic can. There is nothing special about a single building in Nevada that means Panasonic has unmatchable capacity.

And you can make the mistake that because you didn’t read about LG buildings on Twitter that that somehow means LG cannot possibly add capacity or build cells at the same rate as another company.

Strange. As if a second go around on the same errant arguments is going to make them valid this time.

“Why would GM need more magic to ouproduce Tesla”

Because their (GM) supplier right now is 50% smaller then Tesla supplier?

So if Telsa supplier will grow 100% in 2 years, then GM one would have to grow 400% in that same time frame.

They would have to spend more then Telsa+Panasonic on increasing capacities too.

GM also do not have any exclusivity rights. So 30+ other customers of GM supplier will want their batteries too.

As You can see GM simply can not get capacity for free. They want it, they have to invest into it.

Did GM invested major bilions of dolars into battery production capacity latly? NO.

GM simply did NOT invested as much as Tesla.

So Yeas GM will need a lot of magic, to pool that miracle You claim they are capable off. Because as any economist will tell You reserved capacity is not free, and their is no money flow on GM balance sheet…

GM need magic and miracles. Though we all know that those do not play any part in manufacturing…

“This person says Tesla will be out-producing GM by end of 2018. Why?” Because GM only want to make enough EVs to keep those that say they should be building more, reasonably happy. They *actually* want to carry on with ‘business as usual’, thanks very much (ie no EVs, ideally, like every other mainstream ICEV maker – except *possibly* Nissan/Renault). Tesla, on the other hand…

Anyway, were it not for this ‘minor’ issue we would be talking LEAF/Zoe killer, no?

Nissan wants nothing to do with battery naking and thinks it is a bad idea…
They only did it years ago because they had no other choice…
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschmitt/2016/12/16/carlos-ghosn-explains-why-making-your-own-batteries-is-dumb/#35e35dd32276

We currently do not know if GM is battery limited or will power limited or simply doing a slow roll out like Tesla has in the past and could ramp it up with the next model year or not…

Well maybe GM will get lucky and be able to suck up some of the oversupply that may be hitting the market when other auto manufacturers take their battery sourcing in house 🙂

If GM needs more batteries, LG Chem will be able to scale up production as needed. To what degree remains to be seen.

LG would certainly love to be able to sell more electronics, components and batteries to GM.

Tesla will absolutely have the benefit of producing their own batteries. But I think you are overstating GMs constraints by a lot.

We have no clue what the production of either vehicle will be by the end of 2018. But 1,000 model 3’s a day seems high to me. And 100 Bolt EVs seems low to me if the car is indeed in high demand.

It’s too early to say, though. Nothing we say now is gospel. Bolt is just barely trickling out and Model 3 is a year away.

GM can scale battery production to meet demand? Can you explain where you got that info? The Hollande plant when fully maxed would only have capacity for 50K Bolt EVs. About a third of the production is already devoted to other models. In order to go over 35K Bolt’s they have to cut back on other PHEVS or obtain the batteries from elsewhere. LG may have some unused capacity elsewhere but I doubt GM has incentive to pay extra for it.

Let’s not forget there could be another barrier out there to prevent the scaling and large-scale manufacturing of lithium ion batteries that being those who Supply the raw materials how many lithium mines are going around the planet right now and are they in a position to scale to meet a rapid expansion of demand for lithium and other minerals and such that are required for Mass scale battery production

Bolt batteries are coming out of Korea, not the MI LG plant.

I don’t know what they CAN make, but they sure WON’T make enough to meet demand. Ampera-e arrives in April or May, but has already been sold out for 2017 for months in Norway. Granted, a lot of people in Norway want it, but GM has known that all along and we’re a tiny market. So either they can’t, or they just don’t want, to meet the demand. Not until much closer to the M3 launch anyway.

I’m wondering whether Tesla will get to letting me know, in a convincing way, when the base price M3 will be here before Opel can sell me an Ampera-e.

Almost 2017 now, and it’s about time. 2016 has been a pretty good EV year in terms of announcements, but in terms of what’s available to but right now very little has actually happened at all this year.

Even people in Middle of nowhere, Montana will get Bolts before anyone gets a Model 3.

You might end up eating your words. Everyone seems to be talking about Bolt. At this rate, they might actually sell out far quicker than anyone anticipated. Of course, that assumes no dealer shenanigans to put off people from buying high-in-demand Chevy.

At less than 25K Volts per year, there seem to be plenty to go around. I was able to get a 2011 in early 2012 in the Midwest.

Even if GM only makes 30K Bolts in the first 12 months, that’s still a lot of cars to go around.

When Volt was released, it was another ho-hum hybrid. Public largely didn’t pay attention as it was perceived as just another hybrid worse than Prius for only seating 4.

Bolt comes on the heels of Tesla 3 hype. While it’s no Tesla, people are paying attention as revolutionary new car. When people who normally don’t pay any attention to cars suddenly talk about Bolt, there’s something there. As such, I think the demand will be far more than Volt.

I wonder if BEV’s make as much sense right now in states like Montana, Alaska, North Dakota or Minnesota where temps go so low and stay low for so many months. If I have a Bolt on the Hi Line in Montana (the very Northern part of Montana) there will be a 4 or 5 month period from the middle of December to the middle of April where my AER is going to be impacted by freezing weather, and frequently, by temps that will drop below zero. And the town I grew up in, Glasgow, is relatively temperate compared to Northern North Dakota and Northern Minnesota.

Would you really want to drive a Bolt as your primary car if your 238 EPA miles AER is really more like 175 miles 4 or 5 months of the year?
Maybe the US light duty fleet will remain a mixed bag of gassers, PHEV’s and BEV’s for the next decade or so, with some regions adopting BEV’s at a faster pace. I have to imagine that cold weather range loss will be less of a problem in the future but for now, it is a real pain in the a** in really cold regions.

We have more than 3% of all cars on road that are BEVs here in Norway. It doesn’t seem to be stopping people from buying them (around 30% market share in past months), and it’s plenty cold around here.

Boris, you have a great point. Norway is really leading the way when it comes to the adoption of electric cars, and it does have pretty cold temps.

But what is hard to believe is that much of the northern US actually has colder winters than the more populous cities of Norway. The average high in January for several cities is kind of eye opening.

Bergen is a pretty balmy 35 degrees F, Oslo is a bit colder with an average high in January of 27 degrees F.

From St. Paul Minnesota heading west, it is St. Paul average monthly high temp of 26 degrees F, Minot 21F, Williston 22F, Wolf Point 26F, Glasgow 22F.

Norway proves that cold temps can’t stop the adoption of electric cars, but the north central section of the US is even colder than the more populous portions of Norway.

The good thing about this is that the population of the cities west of St Paul is pretty small.

What, maybe 45 people total live in North Dakota and Wyoming? Who cares what they drive.

But seriously, if your AER range is 170 miles instead of 240, well if it meets your needs it meets your needs and if it doesn’t drive something else.

Unless you drive over 175 miles every single day, having “only” 175 miles is no problem. With battery degradation, you should expect such range within the warranty period, even less when you consider the cold.

45? Nah, more like nearly 5,000,000. There are 3,800,000 in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area alone. We aren’t talking CA type numbers but there are more people between MN St Paul and the High Line than live in Ireland or New Zealand.
BEV adoption isn’t critical in the colder sections of the US due to the relatively small population. Plus a lot of people would be willing to sacrifice a little range in the winter anyway, but I am just wondering if the US will have a blended approach to BEV adoption, with more temperate climes adopting them more quickly.

Sorry Spark EV, I thought I was replying to David Gould.

So instead, buy your Bolt. Only once it arrives do you cancel your reservation. If you can’t afford to lay out the $1k without getting your deposit down, I’m sorry but your finances are too tight to be buying a > $30k car.

You are right. It is only that if all M3 reservations are canceled, then there will not be enough Bolts. The last number I came out with was 1 Million reservations for the M3. I got that from the quarterly report. I worked it out. Tesla doesn’t publicly say that. You have to analyse the numbers to come out with the 1 million reservations that I came out with. So don’t get me wrong; I wish GM and others would produce more EVs. I wonder what will demand be like if Tesla and others produce and sell more than 1 million EVs per year? I suspect that the supply will not be enough for some years. But here is the other big thing that surprised me. Never before in the history of man kind we had an opportunity like today, to have a car with the fuel for it and electricity to run our homes including air conditioning etc. for a good 20 years or more for almost nothing. Let me explain. Here in Cairo we have 3400 house of sunshine per year for solar. So say you spend $3000 or $4000 on solar panels. Add 1 or 2 Powerwalls… Read more »

I completely disagree with this, since GM’s entire strategy is to beat the Model 3 to market.

If I had an M3 reservation I would keep it until I got the Bolt. But, GM definitely plans to sell between 32,000 – 50,000 Bolts this year and LG Chem has already stated they could supply the batteries.

So, I disagree with all of the naysayers.

There’s no reason to assume the Bolt ramp will be any different than the Volt. Cali first, followed by the rest of the country. Gen I Volt rollout was extremely slow and yet I still had one in MI, under MSRP of March 2012. I have no doubt that I’d be able to get a Bolt here by May of 2012. 30K vehicles is plenty to satisfy initial demand, especially if you were to go to a dealer now and get on a list. If I were to order a Model 3 now, it will probably be late 2019 or 2020 before I had a chance at one.

It think you mean May 2017 not May of 2012 🙂

M3 reservists will cancel after they can not get the tax credits.

I can go to CA and buy a Bolt EV tomorrow. Dealers are getting dozens at a time. There are probably hundreds in the state already (or very shortly). Two dealers I checked at had 29 and 33 Bolt EV cars in transit. There are a lot more than two dealers in CA selling the Bolt EV.

The Bolt will sell in the quantities the stealerships will put effort to.

Post pics of stealership stickers so everyone can see where they will get gouged and where they can go to not get gouged.

That is reasonable, i hope this is the norm!

The review seems reasonable. I’m not sure why I don’t see the car as as dorky as others do. It’s just 4 ugly grey wheel arches from looking like a cute ute and people snap those up in huge numbers.

I’m also not sure why he complains about the shifter. He’s comparing the car to a Tesla. He doesn’t mind a monostable (return to center) shifter in a Tesla (S & X). Why is he so upset here? I assure you the Model 3 will have a monostable shifter too.

I can’t stop myself from smiling whenever a dorky looking journalist calls a car dorky.

Dorking looking dude needs all the help it can get to attract the opposite sex. Think flamingo.

Yep, and the car is fine 🙂

Yet he is an engineer that calls the accelerator the “gas pedal” on an EV. He does this all the time on their videos.

That was a pretty good review. The bolt is exactly what this review suggests. A reasonably priced practical car. It is not sexy, fast or luxurious but it doesn’t have to be. The best selling cars are the Civic, Camry and corolla. These are not sports cars. The model 3 is a really important vehicle for the market and Tesla but I really like the Bolt.

I also agree with the reviewer, if you live in the USA, you could probably buy a bolt today and you’d probably be driving your bolt for 2 years before the model 3 turns up.

As for the resale value being so low. What do you expect??? if you can get $7,500 tax credit and then a whole heap of state rebates for a new car it is going to suppress the resale value. I expect the bolt to hold its value quiet well compared to the price people actually pay for it. The sticker price is somewhat irreverent. In fact if the federal tax credit disappears after you have taken advantage of it you may find the bolt to hold its value incredibly well compared to the price you paid for the car.

Except Civic and Corolla are around $18K and Camry around $24K. That’s new Ford Focus Electric price range (post subsidy).

Speaking of new FFE, any news on it? Is it out?

There is one listed on Cars.com but I think it’s just a place holder and not a real car. I went to the Ford dealer last weekend and had them check the vehicle supply tracking system. This system will tell you where every new car order is, on the assembly line, in transit, delivered, etc.

There were exactly zero 2017 Focus Electrics in the tracking system. I know we heard otherwise but the 2017 might still be in pre-production. The new Focus Electric supply has really dried up in the in the Midwest so it looks like even the 2016 FFE production has halted.

Scott Franco (shoulda had my freeking bolt by now)

Well, the reviewer just said the resale is bad enough to justify leasing the Bolt. I have decided to buy mine, because the car is low maintenance, and I have decided that it will be worth having for 10 years or more. Ie., it is still worth it to buy if you plan to use up all of the value of the car, vs. trade it in for part of the value later.

This is not significantly different than the economics of ICE.

Where does this meme of “it’s not fast…” come from? The thing pulls 0-60 in 6.3 seconds! For the record, that’s as fast as a turbocharged Mustang. You want “not fast,” head over to your Nissan dealer for a Leaf or a Versa.

Cancel my Model ≡ ? Hmmm.
Oh wait . . . How about lease a Bolt till my ≡ is available?

I can just picture hordes of Tesla waiters seemingly making the switch, to the great delight of GM and the anti-Tesla trolls, till one day the M ≡ starts show up in all their driveways and it’s bye-bye Bolt.

On the other hand – if the Bolt really is good – who knows?

Scott Franco (shoulda had my freeking bolt by now)

Has anyone figured out if the Android mode of the infotainment center allows you to download and run google maps?

Thanks.

The dealer said the Android UI in the car is pretty lousy. But I’m sure it lets you use Google Maps. That’s the entire point of Android Auto (the thing which Google produces which shows in cars like this) is to get you using their ecosystem more. Apple’s only lets you use Apple Maps, no Google Maps.

Scott Franco (shoulda had my freeking bolt by now)

1.Google maps.
2. Spotify.
3. Skype? (probably no camera).
4. Plugshare (but of course).
5. Waze (again, of course).

With that, I don’t care if its ugly.

Scott Franco (shoulda had my freeking bolt by now)

Oh, and Waldo 🙂

1. “You can go out and get a Bolt basically now.” That’s an obfuscation at best a lie at worst. Define “Now”. Depending on where you live in the U.S. it will takes months in CA and OR and added months in other CARB states. Is that so hard to mention? Is that one of your facts and figures, which this article contains very little off, along with: 2.Comparing the SC network and Bolt charging network as both “growing,” is accurate but inconsequential since there is at least a magnitude of difference between the two networks. It’s like comparing an almost adult Andre the Giant with Tom Thumb when he was a baby and saying they are both growing. 2a. He mentions DCFC without adding that it is an option, and should have been included, as most reviewers point out, is more than an oversight, it is prejudicial. 3. The final suggestion that you should get off the Model3 list and get a Bolt instead is merely icing on the cake of this B.S. review as regards it’s comparison to the Model3, other than that I think it was fair to the Bolt. It’s a ugly ev, with good range,… Read more »

2a. He does mention the Bolt has “available” (which means optional) DCFC at 1m31s.

And the DCFC network the Bolt uses isn’t that much smaller than Tesla’s network. There are a lot of CCS chargers in the US. It’s just that the CCS network just isn’t as well distributed. It isn’t along long-haul highway routes like Tesla’s is. This is because with no long-range EVs out there putting a SAE DCFC in the middle of a long highway will simply lead to no usage at all. Hopefully placement will become more useful for Bolt drivers to make long runs over time.

I do agree “basically” is a bit underselling the issue. Literally no one can get one right now (no Bolt has been sold other than the first few) and it’ll be months for most.

Your #3 point is subject. I see you wouldn’t take a Bolt in replacement for a Model 3. Fine. You aren’t everyone.

I visited 3 stealerships yesterday and asked to see the Bolt. Each sold Volts, and had charging stations. Unknown if they were CCS.
Their answer? “We do not have any and we do not know if or when they will arrive”.

You said…
” the DCFC network the Bolt uses isn’t that much smaller than Tesla’s network”

True but they are only at best 40-50KW charge rates vs. 80-120KW rates for the SC’s.

I’m in CA, their rollout state. I’ll hit up more stealerships as the week goes on.

For the majority of the charging duration, the Model 3 will see charge rates no faster than the Bolt EV, even if the Bolt EV is limited to 50kW CCS chargers primarily available today.

Translation? Model 3 will not charge much faster, so the point about 50kW chargers is fairly moot.

As there is no cell data for either of the Bolt EV nor the M3 pack – you are pulling this out of thin air. Not cool.

Not out of thin air, just posting data without sources like most people do here haha. 😉 See below:

Source 1: http://insideevs.com/supercharging-tesla-model-s-60-kwh-versus-85-kwh-video-graphs/

A Tesla Model S quickly dips to 60kW power even on a Supercharger. This isn’t as true in the new S60’s but that is because they really have 75kWh capacity. It is highly unlikely the Model 3’s will come with more capacity just to improve charging rates. The trade-off is too expensive. And the charging rate is a limitation generally correlating to the battery’s capacity, more or less.

I suspect the Bolt will maintain a more level charging rate at 50kW, while the Tesla continues to dip a bit. Why? Because the Bolt EV has a better cooling methodology than the Tesla Model S, and likely the Model 3.

Source 2:
http://insideevs.com/tesla-or-gm-who-has-the-best-battery-thermal-management-bower/

We won’t know for certain though until the Model 3 comes out and we can compare charge rates. 😉

Source?

Yes, just posted. See above. 🙂

As I said, I agree with you. He overstated by saying basically now. I’ve talked to the dealerships too. They have a few cars to drive but GM owns them. GM has not transferred ownership of any cars to the dealers (“invoiced them any cars”) to sell so they can’t sell any yet. GM has done a rollout similar to Tesla’s S or X rollout where they deliver a few on stage but no more. If they don’t deliver any more by the end of the year then they will have turned their “we delivered on our promise” statement into essentially a lie.

Still, the Bolt will be available and be available country-wide long before the Model 3, I’m certain of that.

As to the charging network, you’re moving the goalposts now. You said it was about stations, now you say it’s about charge rates. Tesla measures their peak charge rates on 90 and 100kWh packs. 60kWh packs just won’t charge as fast no matter what station you hook them to. So don’t cry too much about today’s charge rates.

IT’s also about number of plugs at those stations. With CCS it’s typically a single plug and with Superchargers the average is around 8. Makes a huge difference in availability.

Scott Franco (shoulda had my freeking bolt by now)

If GM does not deliver significantly by the years end, they will be hurting themselves. The FED tax rebate will be gone till next year, and the sales of the car will take a hit accordingly.

And the fed rebate may not come back next year.

I don’t think anyone who hoped to get one in 2016 is going to cancel if they can’t have it until January 2017.

Delivering earlier would be better and I’m starting to get disgusted with GM for not bothering to find a way to ship the initial cars in a method that doesn’t take 35+ days.

We went through this in a slightly different manner in another thread…apparently we have to do it again here… …it is an absolutely load of BS to state that DCFC with the Bolt will compare with Tesla, at least for quite some time. Go to plugshare and filter for just DCFC. Zoom out to show yourself NY, or neighboring PA, for that matter. Start clicking on those little tan icons and see just how little geographic coverage there is that is NOT Tesla. And then also remind yourself that there are several stalls for each Tesla location…and normally not more than ONE if and when you can find DCFC for your Bolt. Quit deluding yourself, and confusing others, in comparing DCFC of the Bolt with Tesla; they are not in the same league in LOTS of areas of this country. And I didn’t start out this DCFC quest just to denigrate the Bolt’s capabilities. I actually went looking to see if it would be wise to invest in Tesla’s CHAdemo adapter. The quick answer is ‘No’. Interestingly, there was ONE CHAdemo DCFC in ALL of NYS outside of the Albany to NYC corridor. It WAS in Ithaca, NY. I would… Read more »

As an exercise, I decided to keep looking at plugshare beyond what I mentioned above. Vermont fits in with PA and NY, as well…Delmarva peninsula has one DCFC…again, Tesla only.

And it is not sufficient to simply check out the non Tesla tan dots. Look further to see that a number of red icons appear for charging trouble at non Tesla locations. When you have a national corporation that actually CARES about its customers fast charging, as well as multiple chargers per location, you have successful fast charging. Frankly it is scary to see the complete lack of dependability if you get on the road hoping to find fast charging in your Bolt.

That’s great. I don’t live around there. Btw, you can set plugshare to filter for only CCS. It saves a lot of trouble. There are 11 CCS locations (some with multiple chargers) around Pittsburgh. There are two near York. There are 4 near Philly in Pennsylvania and 3 near Philly in New Jersey. There is one in Slippery Rock. There are 12 in Vermont. There is one in NY State west of the Hudson River Valley. It is in Ithaca and it still has a CHAdeMO charger, it has not disappeared off the map. It’s a Greenlots charger. Meanwhile there are about 100 near where I live. I’m not worried. And that’s surely why GM is launching the Bolt in areas near where I live. If you look at the Supercharger network it is FAR SMALLER than the CCS network. There are only 12 CCS charging stations in Vermont? There are only 3 Supercharging stations (although there is a 4th in Lebanon New Hampshire just across the border). The CCS network is as big or bigger than the Supercharger network and it will grow even larger. But right now it is poorly located for driving long distances for the reasons… Read more »
Sometimes I wonder what makes plugshare tick. IE results apparently can’t be totally trusted. Plugshare obviously likes Chrome much better. Chrome indeed shows that charger in Ithaca…and also shows that the latest attempt to charge there was unsuccessful. Photos on plugshare show a number of error screens. Also, comments indicate the charger is subject to being blocked out. Again, this is the ONLY non Tesla charger in the rest of the state outside the Hudson Valley. The idea is MOBILITY in transit. I emphasized the concept of geographic coverage. Discussing a plethora of CCS stations near a major metropolitan area is irrelevant. So somebody from Pittsburgh heads north…to Erie…then to Buffalo…or to Williamsport…or Binghamton. Or maybe they live in Charlotte, which also has a ton of CCS…and again head north to find no CCS. Or maybe you live in populated NC and want to head to the Outer Banks. Check out the Tesla SC…and then check out the Nissan dealership options with lots of red dots. unlucky words: ‘DCFC network the Bolt uses isn’t that much smaller than Tesla’s network’ My response continues to be NOT for this poster, but for anyone thinking this phrase should be accepted at face… Read more »
I don’t think you can count on that one charger. Thinking of driving across the state? You’ll need that one charger. Chances it’ll be broken or busy when you get there? Too high to take the risk. And sure it says the last two attempts to charge there have failed. But it worked for weeks before that. So it’ll work again later. All this is just a start. There hasn’t been a lot of reason to put CCS DCFCs every 125 miles along highways because there weren’t any cars which really would find them useful. This will hopefully change. That’s all I can really say. Hopefully it will change. There was nothing for CCS 3 years ago. Literally there were two chargers, one in Arizona and one in Sacramento, California. In the meantime, the idea that the statement in the video is wrong because the CCS network is so small compared to the Tesla network is bogus. They are comparable in size. Of course you should check the network before you plan a trip. Just as you would do with a Tesla. In most areas of the country you will certainly find a lot more trips you can’t do than… Read more »

I am not telling people to check plugshare before a TRIP; I am telling them to check it before they spend over thirty thousand dollars on a CAR.

When I put the deposit down for the Model X, there were a couple areas of non-coverage for my trip between NY and FL. By the time I accepted delivery and paid for the X in June, the last SC in Harrisburg, PA had just come on line. With my return trip to FL a couple weeks ago, a SC had just opened up in Columbia, SC, making an alternate route possible.

Without the SC network, I wouldn’t own a Tesla. It is a chicken or egg scenario- you need BOTH. I expect more CCS stations to open- but I wouldn’t buy a CCS car right now, regardless of it being ‘affordable’. If ‘affordable’ is a most important adjective, the Volt has been available for over 5 years and it still gets my endorsement.

Great. Without the SC network you wouldn’t own a Tesla. You wouldn’t buy a CCS car at all. You’re not everyone.

Some other people actually have MULTIPLE CARS. So they would want to look to see if a trip is possible in their Bolt or if they have to use their other (ICE) car.

It’s not a catch-22 for everyone. There are different cars for different people. Some people don’t need a Tesla. Some people don’t even need DCFC at all.

Meanwhile, back to the article, the idea that the video is off because the CCS network out there is tiny or non-existent is bogus. Just because the network isn’t sufficient for you doesn’t means it’s the same way for everyone.

For those wishing to spend under $40K on a new EV, the Bolt EV is going to give them the most range by far. If you make a lot of cross country trips (I don’t know these people), then you should buy a PHEV or have a gasser or rent a gasser.

Regarding the charging networks; if people are willing to wait 2 years or longer to get their hands on a Model 3, I think we should re-evaluate the charging networks then. A lot is going on with CCS. Let’s give it time.

Scott Franco (shoulda had my freeking bolt by now)

I have a Spark and had a Leaf, soon to be a Bolt, then a Tesla M3 if and when.

Third car is a Ford ranger.

Long distance in the Spark? Impossible.
Long distance in Bolt? interesting, but not necessary.
Long distance in the M3? Yea, after I max out the range option.

Drive across the country? Ranger, usually with a camper behind.

Drive across the country with a Spark or a Bolt? Sure, rent a one-way car dolly for the ranger. No issue.

No need to put all the eggs in one basket.

For me

Drive across the country = fly

Try checking the “Payment Required” checkbox on PlugShare to get the real story. True I have to pay for my fast charging, but the few times I need it, I just look at the $800 a month I save on my Spark EV lease vs a P60, (not to mention the extra $2K down) and think I get the better deal!

If you need a car for frequent fast and reliable long distance travel neither Bolt nor Tesla is a reasonable choice. Just get Volt or any other plugin hybrid, or something else.
Tesla stations are fine in places where they don’t had a lot of cars sold yet. Check California and it gets crowded and you get lines and power tapering in summer sometimes. What kind of travel it would be if you are not sure when you will be able to reach your destination because you don’t know how much time you will spend charging?
On the other side, if you need something for travel within 100-120 miles one-way from home, and maybe rare trip extension for extra 50-100 miles at fast charger, Bolt would be just fine as Tesla.

A Tesla is a fine choice for frequent long distance travel. Many people use it for that very thing!

People with $100K to spend on a car.

What? Clearly you do not understand that a Hobbit and a Giant are exactly the same size, if you look through the lens of skewing reality.
It’s so out of the question that doesn’t even warrant a rebuttal.

Mark, I think you’ll see a LOT more CCS stations going in over the next few years.

I would bet that in another 5 years, the CCS scene will look a lot more like the Level 2 charging scene on Plugshare.

That’s much easier to attain given more automakers and overall volume trending CCS. Tesla wins for now, but I would be willing to bet that soon, CCS charger installations will far surpass Tesla SC.

I could be wrong though. In 5 years we’ll know and we can poke fun at the other guy for getting it wrong. 😉

Whatever the world of charging is right now, I suspect it will be very different in a few years’ time. When we read about possible alliances between Sheetz and Tesla, and we read about all that Dieselgate fine $$ going into charging infrastructure, I think we can assume win-win for a number of options. But as I stated above, if I had to buy an ‘affordable’ EV now, the Volt still wins.

Funny thing is that Sheetz in my area have CCS/CHAdeMO stations. There are a relatively good number of them in my region. However, Tesla is adding three more SCs to the existing seven that pretty much blankets all routes in NC.

I agree 100% on the Volt conclusion for today. Always a battery electric for my daily commuting, and never needing to stop and charge for a long trip.

It’s why I own two of them. 🙂

Scott Franco (shoulda had my freeking bolt by now)

“I think you’ll see a LOT more CCS stations going in over the next few years”

It already has gone up a lot in the last years here in San Francisco, like from nothing to rival the Chademo system.

The smart makers like Nvgo know it just takes a plug and a tap on the transformer to adapt to another standard. That is the future.

Right now pretty much all new Non-Tesla fast chargers that are going in are Dual charger outside of dealerships at least in the US. The cost difference between just putting in one standard or both are just too close so unless the installer have a political reason to not install both they will. The number of locations and stalls of the Dual Combo chargers has been growing much faster than Tesla new installs. In many areas, Telsa still outnumbers the other 2 protocols in raw number of stalls with CSS having the least because a larger number of older CHadMO only installs but things are changing the number of new installs of Dual standards is way outnumbering the new installs of Tesla. At the current rate of growth, CHadMO/CCS installs will surpass the total number of SC stalls if it hasn’t already it will by the end of 2017. Of course, most of these installs are happening in cities or near population centers with the center of the country being nearly completely empty but things are starting to change. There was an article about the new Quad stall Dual Charger in Bakersfield CA by EVgo so the charging network is… Read more »

#3 Actually I just found his attitude prejudiced. For me it would be great, no need for long distance, charge at home, and I don’t care that it looks clunky. I might get one but not any time soon, they are not available just yet.

I meant to say he does mention it’s an option, I just miss-typed that. I was setting up the fact most reviewers believe it should not be an option but included.

White looks good…. Other colors? Yuck

I’m in the Mid-Atlantic and put a deposit down on a Bolt at a Chevy dealer two weeks ago. The dealer is able to submit the order in January, and delivery is expected in February.

If only I didn’t need a Chevy dealer to buy one. Yuck.

I see we get the same tired old statements that “GM doesn’t want to make the BOLT, … can’t make more of them….. LG cant find batteries for it….” as if these people actually know something.

The Detroit-hamtranic plant is shutting down for 3 weeks – lack of demand for the VOLT, amoung other reasons.

If the big experts would get off their cans and actually BUY an EV (How about a VOLT, for instance?), maybe we wouldn’t have GM SHUTTING DOWN EV factories for too much product.

They are shutting down because of 89 days and they want to get down to 79 days of product: 60 is industry-wide, considered Ideal.

As far as the ‘dorky’ car, many people actually like the look – especially the interior. And the ‘look’ has been around for decades so it is a proven Seller.

As far as the TESLA S being the real ‘looker’, I thought the CATFISH grille ‘made’ the front of the car look spiffy.

I’m just one person, but why did they change the ‘Tesla Look’ for that silly ‘chicken lips’ thing? I don’t care for the ‘look’ of it at all now.

Due to lackluster sales of the VOLT and other GM models – GM just announced they are laying off 1500 workers in March by eliminating the entire third shift at the Hamtramck plant.

So much for having not enough manufacturing ability – with the VOLT they have too much.

I just got an advertisement from my dealer telling me to upgrade my 2014 ELR to a 2016, but then when calling them they say they can’t find one. Thanks Ev-Hater DeNyschen for prematurely discontinuing it.

I told them, when they asked if they have any cars I’d be interested in, I said perhaps the CT6 phev, but in general I’m not interested if it doesn’t have a plug on the side of it.

But other than that, so much for the big experts saying that GM lacks manufacturing capacity. The 1500 to be laid off workers I’m sure will thank you.

Dr. Miguelito Loveless

For all this talk about the Bolt I have yet to see a single TV commercial for the car. Hard to sell cars no one knows about (unless you are Tesla and people know about them even when you don’t advertise).

It turns out it is silly to advertise when every copy you make will be sold without said advertising.

You can’t buy one yet anyway. Why spend money advertising something if it can’t increase sales due to constrained supply?

GM said it makes more sense to advertise in non-typical methods with EVs since the customers are not your average TV-watcher. There may have been an article on this topic here, I forget.

They’re right for all that the bolt is it still appears as a semi fugly clown car. I say semi because it is better looking than a spark or a leaf or a BMW i3 but at the end of the day it’s still strange looking and a compact form factor which limits its Market from the start especially at that price point that’s an expensive compact

More of this fantasy that GM will be battery limited.

GM already made an EV that was the most-awarded car in American history and they had to SHUT DOWN production lines because there wasn’t ENOUGH demand.

EVs are ~1% of the market and people want to insist that There’s No Way GM could possibly scale up their production? Nonsense. There simply isn’t that kind of demand to purchase* BEVs right now, and we are a long way away from that kind of drastic shift.

*note: a refundable $1000 deposit is not a “purchase”

Fast charging’s a big thing IF you plan to road-trip on the regular with an EV. Most people don’t…even with super-plentiful and ultra-fast Tesla Supercharging, it adds a fair bit of time and a wee bit of stress, let alone with the thinner coverage and slower charging of CCS. That’s why despite the long range and CCS capability, GM positions the Bolt more as a city car and the Volt as the go-anywhere road trip car. But as I’m looking at replacing our family’s only remaining ICE vehicle with a Bolt, I checked Plugshare and I’m a little shocked how plentiful CCS stations already are, at least along the 101. The 5 isn’t fully stocked yet, but that will change.

Accidentally deleted my own clarifying detail: I’m in California, the 101 and the 5 are our two primary freeways.

Here’s my two cents…

I’m in Pennsylvania, where no one wants to sell BEV’s.
Whichever model I see five of on the road first, I will declare “The Winner”

Just as a point of reference, I’ve seen about five Model S’s in the state, although I’m sure there are more than that. But to date, I’ve yet to see so much as a Nissan Leaf or Kia Soul EV.

The dude is waaaaay to hung up on the Bolt’s looks. Ironic him calling it a dorky car, as he is what you envision a dork looking like.

Latest chapter in my Bolt blogging adventure.
Trains move freaking slow!

http://bro05.blogspot.com/2016/12/a-bolt-before-christmas-eh-no.html

Hopefully it speeds up a bit when it gets to the bigger, emptier states out West.