Confirmed: Audi R8 E-Tron BEV With 250 Miles Of Range Coming In 2015; PHEV Version A Possibility

NOV 12 2014 BY STAFF 60

Audi R8 E-tron Production-Bound

Audi R8 E-tron Production-Bound

Per Auto Express:

“Audi’s head of technical development, Dr Ulrich Hackenberg, has confirmed that the new R8 supercar, due next year, will be offered as an all-electric e-tron model with a range of 250 miles. A plug-in hybrid variant, using a development of the powertrain from the Lamborghini Asterion LPI 910-4, is also under consideration.”

Audi had already officially confirmed the future arrival of the pure electric R8 e-tron, so that’s old news.  But word of a potential plug-in hybrid version hadn’t leaked out until now.

Auto Express adds:

“..the e-tron version has been a pet project of Hackenberg’s ever since he took over his new role in June 2013.”

“The first R8 e-tron concept appeared in 2009, and was originally slated for a 2013 launch, but the project was canned by Hackenberg’s predecessor Wolfgang Durheimer. Hackenberg revived the project and set a target of 400km (250 miles) before it could be sold to the public. Clearly, that target has now been reached.”

As for the plug-in hybrid version, if developed, it could become a Porsche 918 Spyder beater:

“…a version of the Lamborghini Asterion LPI 910-4’s plug-in hybrid powertrain could also be fitted to the new R8. The Lambo’s system uses a V10 engine and three electric motors to produce 897bhp, power all four wheels and deliver a pure electric range of 30 miles.”

Hackenberg adds:

“You can make it with less power, too. The [Asterion] chassis isn’t the same as the R8, but the powertrain fits, so a plug-in hybrid is definitely a possibility.  The hybrid system is an engine, gearbox, electric motors and power electronics. It’s a package; it’s just a case of making it fit.”

Source: Auto Express

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60 Comments on "Confirmed: Audi R8 E-Tron BEV With 250 Miles Of Range Coming In 2015; PHEV Version A Possibility"

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Nice to see the range coming around 400 km for a BEV. what about top speed and acceleration?

really good job by AUDI team.

Acceleration = more than enough
Top speed = electronically limited at 250 km/h

Don’t like this design fad of making the brake intake area so freakin’ big… Merging them up into the headlights is a bit much.

But the nosecone is fine. 😉

Should be using aggressive regenerative braking. Why the need for all the air cooling?

Probably safety requirements. When its not possible to regen due to certain casualities (Battery full, Ice Cold, …) you still need the full brake power.

You don’t *NEED* the brake intake to extend up to and including the entire headlight area…

It hides the shape of the car, adds needless drag to the front of an EV and reminds me of Toyota’s stunningly fugly Hydrogen vehicles. 😛

It’s just a bad design fad I’m seeing cropping up more and more. It needs to stop.

Tesla gets a proper competitor? It will be very interesting to see the price of this thing.

Question is, how will it charge? Is Audi going to negotiate with Tesla to use the supercharger stations? I doubt Audi is interested in creating its own charging network, the regular quick charging stations are quite underpowered for a 250 mile car.

Perhaps this means that Tesla needs to hurry with new Roadster, because these supercar markets are not that big. Therefore there could be genuine competition.

I was little surprised that Audi is pushing a long range EV on markets already in 2015.

remember, this is a niche car. Around 3k a year.

I don’t think another Roadster is particularly interesting. The first one was a proof-of-concept car showing that you can indeed build exciting electric cars. There is no reason to prove that again.

Another Roadster would have to focus on different things than the first one such as optimizing every detail both in physical shape and electronics to push the car to it’s limit, only to sell a handful of them. It would take away a lot of development effort from the other lines that are more important to Tesla, i.e. the model 3 and future mass produced cheaper cars.

Unless they shoot for more of a Miata-370Z slot for a new roadster.

Hmmm. They went from model S to X so maybe the new Roadster will be based off the Model 3?

If Tesla puts out a new Roadster before putting out a Model III sedan or CUV, we will have to suffer through even more “what about me” whining from people who want a family car.

the question about the charging speed of the batteries remain…
tesla can handle 100kw charge (for 20min), but Audi mingles with LG which doesn’t have such technology… (officially)
90kwh of battery with 22kw charging capability ? I won’t buy.

Why do some people only think of the negative side of things? There are more options than the Tesla Supercharger and semi-fast charging with 22 kW. As most of the german car manufracturers (VW, Daimler, BMW) use CCS inlets and the infrastructure for CCS Fastchargers is growing bigger day by day (at least in europe) it is very likely that the R8 e-tron will also have a CCS inlet and therefore a charging capability of 50kW can be easily realized.

50kW is still too slow.

Audi would be wise to cut a deal with Tesla. This is a low volume BEV with a high price tag. $3000 for SC access is nothing, and makes the car much more appealing.

There currently isn’t much of a reason for anyone to sell or install Chademo or CCS stations with more than 50kW. Sure it’s a bit short sited, and if these things were all being installed by some benevolent overlord that only had the long term in mind and could handle taking a hit on infrastructure costs in the near term, they’d do like Tesla and build 6x135kW all over the place. But if you look at how existing standardized charging stations have been deployed, Chademo installations didn’t really start to take off until the Nissan Leaf was available. CCS stations didn’t start to take off until the i3, Spark and Golf hit the market. 100kW+ stations will start to be installed as we get news of more and more big-batteried EVs coming to market that could make use of that kind of capability. But in the meantime, I’m hearing a lot more news and rumours about PHEVs with basic DCFC capability than I am of 200+ mile BEVs.

50KW is 150 miles of range per hour. Not too bad. Unless you are on a 500+ mile drive day, think of it as a long lunch break. I don’t see 50KW as a negative. In fact, two users sharing an A/B Tesla charger – one may see lower charge rates as well. A 120KW dual-head only delivers an average of 60KW each when two cars are using it. No free lunch.

To me, I would be fine with any car and 6.6KW charging. 50KW? Fantastic.

I agree that CCS is likely. So the day after I closed a lease on it, I’d be looking for a CCS to CHADEMO adapter.

That may be fine in Europe but if they plan to sell the car in the USA potential customers will have a hard time finding a j1772 above 10 kw and there are few 50 KW CCS.

Would be nice if it would be true.

Read “confirmed” with a giant boulder of salt.

well it better have a chademo connector in the US or it wont work very well. CCS is basically non-existant. Even then chademo
at 50 to 60 kw charging its to slow.

just look at Audi , how many actual EV have they sold and how many press release cars have proclaimed?

That’s such a short-sighted thing to say. 6 months ago, there were maybe 5 CCS stations in North America. Now there are 45. By the time these start hitting the road, there will be more than enough CCS stations in the markets that this type of car would be targeted at, especially with the low number of sales that Audi will be aiming for.

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The bigger problem is that CHAdeMO and CCS chargers are not in the right place for a 250 mile car.

With 250 mile of range, you don’t need chargers in town. You need chargers between towns.

Tesla got it right. It will take any other automaker 5 years to catch up on this point alone. Hope they get started soon.

Tesla didn’t start building their supercharger network 5 years ago. Why would it take someone else 5 years to catch up?

Probably because it will take them 3 more years to simply generate the will and overcome their organizational inertia to get started.

Because they need to get the sales volume to justify building it.

It would be a very different approach than Nissan is taking by putting them at dealerships, which are generally located near population centers.

Tesla’s existence is contingent upon the adoption of pure EVs. Other automakers are not, and believe primarily in PHEV (understandably so).

Nobody would really want to use a 20-50kW charger for a Tesla if there is a 135kW Supercharger nearby. Few will want an Audi that can only use 20-50kW.

The world isn’t going to be only 80 mile LEAF’s in the coming years. We need those 200 amp CHAdeMO stations, particularly at distant way stations with 25-100kWh battery cars.

“CCS is basically non-existant.”

Within the past month eVgo has opened a CCS/CHAdeMo station 8 miles from my house and another 25 miles north on 101 enabling trips from the San Francisco wine country in a BMW i3 BEV. There are also two more locations in the SF bay area listed as “coming soon”. There are 7 operational stations within 50 miles of my house (San Rafael, Petaluma, Vacaville, Mountainville, Benicia, and Belmont) while there are only two operational Tesla superchargers within 50 miles of my house (Vacaville and Fremont). There are also more CCS chargers within range of my wife’s i3 than there are superchargers within range of my Model S.

Of course the CCS coverage dries up once you leave a few select population centers and there would be no real incentive to put them all over the country like Tesla superchargers until GM or somebody else releases an affordable 200+ mile EV with a CCS charge port. But that may happen in the not so distant future.

And of course we so need a charger standards war right now…

The three CCS chargers I’ve used were all ABB models with both CHAdeMO and CCS plugs. ABB also makes a European model with three plugs- CHAdeMO, CCS, and fast AC (only the Renault ZOE takes full advantage of this). Simply swap out the fast AC for a Tesla plug and everyone’s happy (at least in the US).

Right – the transformer and circuits are not a big deal – a multi-connector scenario is what may work best. ABB is a huge worldwide company and when the market is there, they will deliver.

Not a big deal, unless of course your paying the construction and utility bills.

Who said anything about a standards war? Pretty sure over 90% of CCS installations are either dual standard or are co-located with Chademo stations

Yes, because that multiple gas fill nozzle types worked out so well.

ONE standard. ONE. And not after the usual useless pissing contest either.

“ONE standard. ONE. And not after the usual useless pissing contest either.”

At least according this this article, if you ignore the physical shape of the plug then there is essentially one standard in the US (CCS / Tesla):

Adapters that just accommodate different shaped plugs are pretty easy to build.

There currently is only one standard that is exactly the same everywhere in the world, in addition to being the largest volume of charge locations, and that is CHAdeMO.

Well over 4000 in the world
Over 700 in the USA
Over 1300 in Europe

when the new roadster will be release they will have to cancel once more the project, because the “R8 e-tron” will be less powerful, have less range, cost more money and need twice more time for charge the battery.

still good news that they decide to take the step… late but better than never.

How is the audi going to be a $100,000 car????

Well, the CI version is priced between 115.000$ and 180.000$, right? And following the example of mercedes the electric version should more than double this price, so i will go for a minimum of 200.000$.
I know, ridiculous, but hey, it is an AUDI

Nice range and nice car but my guess is that the price tag will be 200K to 250K. At this price still not competition for Tesla.

It won’t beat a 918, in raw speed, because engine + fuel is still the lighter, more enduring, way to go. By a big margin, if we’re talking about a track. The 918 is effectively an ICE car, with a small piggy bank of regen watts (6kwh usable). To get 250, or more likely 200, miles of EPA range, battery weight will anchor BEV performance, no matter where its put. Be real.

Teslas aren’t meant to change speed and direction quickly, much less do it over and over again. That’s why they’re touring cars. For Audi to put out an R8, before an A8, BEV seems backwards.

The thing about weight is that it also increases traction.

Regarding handling, usually, heavier cars are larger, meaning moment of inertia increases faster than weight. But if you put the mass as centralized as you can, it can increase slower than weight.

Finally, 4-wheel torque vectoring is going to make performance EVs feel as light as the designers want it to feel. It basically allows the motors to impart any rotational force on the car with millisecond response time.

A loose analogy is F22 maneuverability vs the lighter F16.

I think about Newton’s 3rd law, and it matches what I mostly see. That’s light cars practically never losing to heavier ones, with the same power. Also consider, racing formula’s shape the competition by setting weight minimums, not maximums.

Of course a heavier car will lose to a lighter one “with the same power”.

But there’s no reason for an R8 etron to have the same power as the gas version, nor is it anywhere near the same market segment as the 918.

The point is that changing speed and direction quickly is no problem for a 4-motor EV. With good software and high power, it can handle and accelerate as well as a much lighter gas car.

..for an extremely limited distance. At 3,600lbs (~918 weight), or even 5,000 pounds, to win you’d be creating a very short event.

you guys are nuts ,the guy that will buy this car will have little know of what he is buying .it’s new ,it’s fast ,it’s an audi.he won’t care how long it charges ,hec i wouldn’t care with that much battery .every day its full ,long trip ,one hour and a half wait to charge at 50kw ,big deal ,time for a good restaurant.he will have a love affair with this car .(luck for the car it doesn’t have a tailpipe)

I’ll take mine in Suzuka Grey Metallic!

The EVSE are going to be faster over time. J1772 Level 2 is spec’d up to 80Amps (not the wimpy 15amps most sites have deployed) and folks are deploying the, Panasonic and Powertree Services announced a network of 100 stations in San Francisco that will all be 20KW capable J1772 plugs.

The charger is not the issue, its the car. If I could get a 20kw charge on my leaf, I’d change out the charger tomorrow.

Wow, its amazing there is not more excitement here.

I’d take one of these. The remaining details are price and what kind of charging.

it’s Audi’s Supercar, Scott.. like the 918, if you hafta’ ask the price, you can’t afford it, LOL.

I’ve never understood that saying. You still have to know how much to make the check out for 🙂

No you wont, you just say you want that car, you see how much it is or they tell you, and you right the check/give them the money.

Is it 250 miles in European rating?

Confirmed and Etron in the same sentence? Fool me 4 timez….

This car will only be built upon customer ordering (I think it was confirmed back in spring 2014 at an Audi event, this is just another “confirmation”).

So I wouldn’t get my hopes too high other than the car will be built, but:

– customer orders only (very small series)

– cost probably around $200k as others pointed out (even the normal R8 is very expensive)

I think this is merely a test car for Audi.

I have no doubt Audi can produce a car to compete with the Model S- but where Tesla will totally mop up the competition is infrastructure. They have it. Audi doesn’t. I don’t think they will have the backing from their organization to dump the kind of money that Tesla has into Superchargers. All non-Tesla DC charging is mostly concentrated within their core markets. Tesla is positioning theirs *between* markets. This makes their car viable for long distance travel. I’m not so sure CHAdeMO or CCS will have such a neatly planned infrastructure by the time Audi has a product.

Ya i see a lot of R8’s every day…. Lol

Tesla has no competition, its truly comical