Complete Details On Fiat 500e Coolant Leak Short Circuit PIM Replacement Recall

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JUN 10 2014 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 37

Fiat 500e Recall Info

Fiat 500e Recall Info

Every detail you ever wanted to know in relation to the latest Fiat 500e recall is now available right here for your viewing pleasure or displeasure.

This will be a costly recall (at least as far as recalls go in the plug-in vehicle segment) for Fiat-Chrysler, as all Power Inverter Modules (PIM) in approximately 4,141 Fiat 500es will be replaced free of charge.

Fiat-Chrysler will repair affected vehicles starting this month.

*Of note: Chrysler submitted this recall info to the NHTSA back in early May.  However, one of the NHTSA correspondences is dated June 6, which leads us to believe that the NHTSA was the reason why this documentation was released just last week and not back in May

Notice To Dealers

Notice To Dealers

Recall Acknowledgement Letter Page 1

Recall Acknowledgement Letter Page 1 – Note Date Of June  At Top Of Document

Recall Acknowledgement Letter Page 2

Recall Acknowledgement Letter Page 2

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37 Comments on "Complete Details On Fiat 500e Coolant Leak Short Circuit PIM Replacement Recall"

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Assaf
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I guess any car with 2 recalls per year, will end up losing $14k/pop to its maker…

Californians: please, PLEASE resist the urge to buy compliance cars, especially from automakers who openly despise EVs and say they’ll never expand.

If principle alone is not a good enough reason – then hopefully these recalls are a lesson. It’s not a coincidence.

EPL
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EPL

I bought a 500e that ended up being built very early in the production cycle so I have plenty of experience with the consequences of a compliance car, but the 500e was, and still is, the best car for my needs, despite what the FIAT’s CEO says.

The way I figure, the more EVs there are out there, the best it is for all of us. Maybe FIAT will not do a next-gen 500e, but maybe BMW will do an updated MiniE – or some variation of the electric roadster they showed off. Or somebody else.

Assaf
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BMW’s approach to EVs is worlds apart from Fiat’s.

EPL
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EPL

That’s true; I didn’t say otherwise. And I think FIAT is making a mistake by not capitalizing in a very nice 500e.

Brandon
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Brandon

Went with a Smart ED because it was $400 less a month than a 500e.

8,977 Miles, 10 months, no problems, 80 miles per charge, car has been flawless and so much fun and has fit all my needs perfectly.

Martin
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Thx for sharing

Nate
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Nate

I like your logic, and I’m like that when looking at cars. The Smart might not be as attractive to everyone. Then there is the name … can’t believe they went with “ED” in this day and age. Some people want a car with more sex appeal.

Alan
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Alan

I have a Fiat, 8000 miles, no problems. It’s a bit embarrassing to them that they would have this recall – but I’m glad they’re addressing it.

offib
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offib

Very nice!

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

If manufacturers bitch about losing gobs of money on these compliance cars, it’s almost worth getting one out of spite.

Without DC charging on a BEV though? That’s a big turnoff to me, though it would be ok for a station car, runabout or other 3rd vehicle.

Assaf
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Well, they lose even more if they make them and no one buys 🙂

EPL
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EPL

I agree it would be very nice to have a DC charger but given the very limited number of DC chargers out there, from a practical perspective, having a fast level 2 is much more important today and for the next few years.

We have a ClipperCreek HCS-40 and that works very well with the 500e. I normally charge it overnight but on the weekends sometimes I charge mid-day after a morning trip.

Nate
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Nate
Assaf, they are expanding 500e availability out of California so you’ll have to dictate to a larger audience. Recalls have nothing to do with some EV god striking down those that mock them. Beloved Nissan recalled more than a million cars due to airbags recently, and is completely replacing some LEAFS with missing welds. Fiat would be building other cars that needed recalls regardless of if they were building the 500e or not. I’m not big on the importance of exterior / interior appearances of cars. I am more concerned about practical aspects, safety, reliability, and value. Both the LEAF and the Volt do those things well in my opinion. Owners like me and you really like how they work and think more people should be driving them. The reality is some people won’t be interested if they don’t like the looks, and others may not be interested if the handling or acceleration isn’t top notch. Others prefer an SUV/Crossover. The cars made for compliance purposes help increase the appeal of driving electric to a broader audience. Once they’ve driven electric, the odds are bad they will want another car that doesn’t have a plug. This hurts automakers that aren’t… Read more »
QCO
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QCO

Have to go with Assaf on this point….

Compliance cars are not well marketed and have limited availability, so not likely to impact many mainstream buyers, regardless of the anecdote you mention.

They are also more likely to have odd problems and more repair time because they are conversions using outsourced drive trains with less integration testing. Caveat Emptor.

Compliance cars are a cynical ploy to avoid the intent of the mandate. Can’t see why you would want to reward such a manufacturer by helping them with what is essentially a tax dodge.

Nate
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Nate

Neither of you answered my question though.

I respect where you guys are coming from, but I guess I’m just looking at it from a glass half full perspective. I’d rather see compliance EV’s than having less choices and having everyone just buy credits from Tesla or produce FCV’s.

You can disregard the anecdote I mention. I have more. So do other people. My co worker who sits across from me got a Volt not long after I did. Word of mouth is important, so I believe the more choices that are out the broader audience we will have. Its more than just the exact sales numbers..
http://insideevs.com/ev-ripple-effect/
Someone else mentioned the importance of this in today’s story about sales heating up in Texas too.

QCO
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QCO

No problem with the Volt or Leaf… Both are bona fide volume production cars with plenty of engineering behind them.

Better to recommend them instead of a compliance car conversion orphan that doesn’t get the same attention and support as a volume production car.

EPL
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EPL

I’ve helped sell several 500e by word of mouth. Its a great car and i’m very happy with it. I like the responsiveness, how it drives, and its design. If it didn’t exist, I would probably have bought a high mileage ICE.

Anon
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Anon

Fiat. The legend continues…

MDEV
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MDEV

Agree this is Fiat standards.

Mike I
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Mike I

The PIM is not even made by Chrysler/Fiat, it’s made by Bosch.

Spec9
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Spec9

Well, they HAD to have a second recall.

Because . . . you know . . .

(I made you think it!)

EPL
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EPL

The first recall was clearly a FIAT issue. From what we have heard, this one seems to be a problem within the Bosch part.

See this post in the 500e G+ community:

https://plus.google.com/105629683297939347178/posts/goeXWhWS4ck

offib
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offib

So who do you think is getting a bigger thwack to their reputation? Fiat, or the “reliable”, German manufacturer?

To be honest, I always thought the Germans were reliable, then I learnt about the reputation some VWs have, turns out Bosch makes a good number of parts for manufacturing. From what I’ve witnessed with even their home appliances, they’re highly strung. Reliable? In a way, but when they conk out, it’ll cost you.

QCO
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QCO

Another problem with low volume compliance cars using outsourced drive trains – They just don’t get the same level of integration testing as a mainstream in house product.

EPL
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EPL

To me system testing is *the* main drawback of compliance vehicles; the next is limited experience in the factory building them; and next after is limited experience servicing them.

On the positive side the release cycle for these cars is shorter, so the 500e got very modern electrical components – not the donor car that, though it has been upgraded and still looks nice (to me), it was originally released back in 2007.

Rick Danger
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Rick Danger

Anon 🙂

ffbj
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ffbj

haha!

Foo
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Foo

Oh Fiat.

Makes me feel somewhat proud that at least my Ford Focus Electric didn’t pee itself.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Like a Harley, it’s just marking its territory.

Spec9
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Spec9

The FFE had a serious issue with it suddenly turning off. However, apparently they found the bug and have fixed the issue.

Chris O
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Chris O

At least those recalls give an indication of numbers sold. 4141 makes the 500e compliance car actually a bigger project than I suspected.

Spec9
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Spec9

I’m still shocked by that 4141 number.

Did they really build that many Fiat 500e cars? That is much more than the GM Spark EV so far.

I’m wonder if someone accidently added a digit to the proper number.

Josh
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InsideEVs sales charts show ~3100 sold so far, so 4140 built would be in the right ballpark.

Alan
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Alan

The number actually came from the original recall announcement.

Eletruk
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Eletruk

I wondered about that number too, but as was said, that’s the number in the recall. And it will include unsold cars as well since the issue is in the casting for the PIM, so a number of cars were already built but not sold before the recall was announced.
The thing is, with a number like that, I would hardly call this a compliance car any more. Honda Fit limited there production to 500 and stopped. Fiat continues to build them because they are selling.
Here is a list of all 184 models of cars sold in 2014 YTD: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2014/04/usa-all-cars-ranked-by-march-2014-ytd-usa-sales.html
That 4141 number puts the 500e ahead of quite a few “production” cars, many very mainstream. In fact, better than the 500L.
Fiat has a hit on their hands with the 500e, regardless of what Marchionne wants. And consider this is from sales in only one state (the list is the entire US).

Nate
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Nate

http://insideevs.com/ev-ripple-effect/

So there have been a few thousand 500e’s sold. We could be short sighted and say they don’t matter, but the exact count on the sales chart does not tell the true story. The ripple effect is important.

Eletruk
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Eletruk

4141 – or whatever the exact number is, makes the 500e the third most popular pure BEV after the Nissan Leaf and the Tesla Model S. Not an insignificant thing for a “compliance car”.