Comparing Range Of 2011 Nissan LEAF To New 30 kWh 2016 LEAF Using Old EPA Formulas

NOV 17 2015 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 17

With the release of the 30 kWh 2016 Nissan LEAFs, InsideEVs contributor Mark Larsen thought it would be interesting to compare the range of the original 2011 LEAF to that of the new, 30 kWH LEAF using Nissan’s original scenarios, which are based off EPA test results from back in 2011 when data was compiled differently than it is today.

Larsen Tweeted:

“@InsideEVs @evchels Pure conjecture, but intriguing to apply 2011 LEAF’s original scenarios to 2016’s EPA range.”

Now, we know that current EPA testing is different from back in 2011, but still it’s interesting to see how the 30 kWh would fare today if tested using outdated guidelines.

For comparative purposes, here are the actual city, highway and combined figures for the 2-16 24 kWh & 2016 30 kWh LEAF as tested under current EPA guidelines:

Nissan LEAF Electric Range According To EPA

Nissan LEAF Electric Range According To EPA

*For more of Mark Larsen’s electric vehicle related works, check out his website here.

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17 Comments on "Comparing Range Of 2011 Nissan LEAF To New 30 kWh 2016 LEAF Using Old EPA Formulas"

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Just to clarify as some people might miss this point.

The EPA range was lower for the 2011-2013 24kWh model than the 2014-2016 24kWh model because the LEAF had the ability to charge to 80%.

So for some reason, the EPA used that 80% charge as its upper limit, meaning the range for the 2011-2013 wasn’t really less than the newer 24kWh models.

Nissan addressed by this removing the ‘charge to 80%’ option (thanks EPA).

I thought the new rating was an average of 80 and 100%.

Not quite. It only happened for the 2013 model.

In 2011-2 everything was new, and EPA gave the Leaf its 100% charge range.

In 2013 they averaged between the 100% and 80%, IOW 90%.

By 2014 Nissan caught up and removed the 80% option, a mix of seeing the sky doesn’t fall for those who charge to 100% (which is really ~95% of absolute capacity), and a wish to avoid that 10% hit to official range.

I’d like to see two others.
Senerio 7
Winter Night time Highway
Speed: 65mph
Temp: 15°F
Climate: On

Senerio 8
Summer Highway
Speed: 65mph
Temp: 110°F
Climate: On

NPNS! SBF!
Volt#671

That’s easy:
Scenario 7: 32 miles
Scenario 8: 39 miles

I usually get right around 100 miles per charge at 50mph and 75 miles per charge pulling my jetski with my 2015 Leaf. I do find it goes a little further than either of my 2012 models did. Im expecting to go at least 125 miles per charge when/if i can get my hands on a 2016. That would be plenty and allow me to drive from one side of my state to the other (i live in nj).

OK, flatlanders with a day to kill and 6 hours of podcasts at the ready, 202 miles is your challenge.

Only if the podcasts are powered by their own battery.

Har har har, aren’t you funny? Turn off the headlights for an extra 0.8 km!

Please. Even as a joke it’s stupid and unfunny, while being a vicious lie in the process.

*All* the accessories (including the seat and steering wheel warmers) rack up a whopping 250 Watts (or about 0.2 kW). The heater uses a maximum of 6 kW. The *motor* on the other hand, uses about 20 kW when you’re cruising at 115 Km/h. Literally nothing gobbles the juice like the motor does, everything else is a tiny fraction of that.

So really, it’s not funny, it’s just mean.

What’s really needs to happens is people testing this out. As it stands, the chart is wrong at all corners except the middle:

– the 2011/2 could eat 15% on climate control alone, even without counting the raw resistance-increase of the battery itself due to cold. Thus, the 14F scenario was more like 45 miles than the 62 listed (even here Steve Coram blogged about getting stuck after going out to see christmas lights one frosty night).

– There have been 3 battery-upgrades now: the 2013’s was more resilient than the 2011/2, the 2015 “Lizard”, and now the 30-KWh one comes from a totally different vendor. There’s good reason to hope that temp-resilience is substantially better now.

The 30 kWh version does not come from a different vendor. It’s a tuned Lizard chemistry, made by NEC/Nissan.

The future 60 kWh battery will likely be based on LG technology.

Thanks, I wasn’t aware of that.

Anyway, it’s definitely a different beast and is likely to behave somewhat differently w.r.t. temperature.

200 miles range are here!

When will 2016 Leaf be available in Central Florida?

When will the Leaf (of any year) be available in Jamaica?. I’m tired of having the only one here (a 2011, since 2012), in a country with lots of solar power and not-too-long range needs. Wake up Nissan!

Really? Drive a Leaf in Jamaika i like the idea, or Bahamas. There would be only some quick chargers needed and whole the island is covered. I never thought on it, but now EVs are the best cars for islands! Would also be great to rent EVs on islands, you should open a business :-).

Just want to point out that Scenario 1, if you really drove 15 mph for 91 miles, that would be 6 hours of driving….

I can’t even imagine any circumstance where I would drive 15 mph for over 6 hours in constant winter stop and go traffic jam.

It seems more like an argument for not being stupid and blowing off the weather forecast when it say stay home, and less like a limitation of the vehicle. If there is a storm that bad, that might stick you in traffic for 6 straight hours, the problem isn’t the car’s range. The problem was the decision to go out in that bad of conditions in the first place. Just stay home.