CNN Calls New Nissan LEAF The “Electric Car For Everyone”

MAY 17 2018 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 57

There is actually an electric car for the masses, according to CNN, and it comes as no surprise that it’s the all-new 2018 Nissan LEAF.

With the Nissan LEAF, it’s plain and simple … you pay less and you get less. But, this is a recipe many Americans need if there is going to be a solid transition to electric cars. Until there are plenty of reasonably-priced EV offerings, widespread adoption will remain slow.

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People buy inexpensive cars with adequate performance and subpar cabin materials all the time. This is not always as true in the EV segment, where vehicles are more expensive, and Tesla is the most widely-known and followed EV maker (especially in the U.S.).

While the LEAF has less range than the Tesla Model 3 and Chevrolet Bolt, you still get a solid feature list for the money. Nissan does a good job of upping the ante where it counts most and still keeping costs down.

CNN says that Tesla has shown that electric-car driving can be “fun.” The reviewer goes on to say that the LEAF is not fun, but “fine.” He really appreciates the car’s one-pedal driving, as well as ProPilot assist, which is a feature usually only available in luxury cars.

In terms of the LEAF’s visual appeal, it is much more appealing than the outgoing model. However, the interior is reminiscent of a “cheap” car. Nonetheless, CNN concludes that an electric car like the new Nissan LEAF could work for a typical family.

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CNNMoney’s Peter Valdes-Dapena takes a look at the 2018 Nissan Leaf which starts at $29,990 and can go for about 150 miles on a single charge.

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57 Comments on "CNN Calls New Nissan LEAF The “Electric Car For Everyone”"

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For everyone? Well, not for me. Not without serious thermal management of the batterypack and not without serious quick charge/long range capabilities. Current Leaf battery is just too under engineered for my purposes.

Ok. No car for you.

The dan giveth, and the dan taketh away.

Nissan is actually quite unique in under engineering its battery pack, plenty of alternatives for me I can assure you.

… and yet, they have only had about 3 batteries fail in the world – the car sells far more in japan and europe. So I don’t think it’s under engineered for its purpose.

It’s presumptuous to say that any car is the car for everyone.
To say the Leaf is, is more like a bald-faced lie.

A leaf could be a great car for some people in some areas with some needs. Just about any car could fit that bill with a reasonable argument. I don’t think it’s fair to say due to any car’s faults it’s not right for anyone. Plus, if we are really here to push EV adoption and support automakers’ pursuits with the technology, we should support that someone out there may find a leaf as perfectly suitable for their needs. This is especially true if they can get a good lease deal. Great EV with a history of success and they turn it in every few years. With many gas cars, that’s become the norm.

It’s true that for some it may be fine, but it’s not the car for everyone, even if you want an ev.
I personally think that Nissan has done more harm than good in the ev revolution, as there are people who got really shafted purchasing one.
Besides Nissan Harshed my Mellow.

Yes, surely disagree with the “for everyone” part. No car is for everyone, c’mon. And how did they Harsh your Mellow? Please share. Thanks as always, FFBJ!

It was because I told them to fix it, the battery pack with a LTMS, after the first edition came out, and they shilly shallied around and did nothing until now. So that’s how.
Sorry for the late reply, just got off the golf course. Life is so hard.

So you bought something that clearly did not suit your purpose? It seems like you harshed your own mellow.
This car seems like it’s would work well for me as a second car for commuting to and from work at a distance of 20 miles each way and running around the city. The other car is a long distance Diesel SUV which I intend to keep.

Leasing? With an attractive rate – yes! Probably a very good commuter car.
Buying? Absolutely not! I really would like to but I just don’t trust their batteries…

You don’t have to trust their batteries, they have proven their reliability in the past 8 years.

A battery doesn’t have to fail completely to be useless – losing 35% of range in 45k miles will do the trick nicely. Fortunately for me, the capacity warranty got me a free battery. Buy another EV or lease a Leaf.

I’ve got 36k miles on my 2015 model. It still has 99.5% of the original range.

It is the worlds best selling EV for a reason.

Because it’s cheap. At least historically it’s been cheap. I don’t think the ’18 Leaf lease deals are so hot currently. At least not as hot as its overheating HV battery in the summer. 😉

Zing!

that is another attempt at equating quantity with quality…

“car for everyone” was Volkswagen’s motto for the beetle’s precursor Type 12 in the 1930s. It wasn’t supposed to be the best or fanciest car. It was something everyone could afford.

Yup. The Model T Ford and the Volkswagen Beetle are the only cars which can truthfully claim the title of “Everyman car”. The Leaf ain’t gonna cut it. In fact, no EV on the market now is a true Everyman car, not even the Tesla Model 3. That’s still too expensive.

Much as I want to see gasmobiles become obsolete, I think PEVs (Plug-in EVs) are still not quite “ready for prime time”. But with the Model 3 and the Bolt EV, the industry is getting a lot closer than it was a few short years ago! I expect we will see the true Everyman PEV on the market within a few years.

CNN?

Well it works for me. Held me breath two days ago and did a run where a charge top up was going to be necessary to get home. My second only DCFC in two years. After 30 minutes went from 5 temp bars to 6. OMG what a catastrophe!
I still have all my capacity bars after two years and 31,000KM and with the return of warmer weather I seem to have all the range I did when it was new. I’d rather pay less and forgo the TMS. But that’s just me.

Most people would rather pay less for no thermal management system, that is until they go to trade their Leaf in with 60k miles, and after 5 years in service.

When the Stealerships offer only $5 k, as the trade-in value torwards a new 2018 Leaf, then the NO TMS thinking starts to come around full circle. That is even with 11 bars and only around15% battery degradation.

Lease the Nissan 2018 Leaf!
Buy the 2018 Chevy Bolt!

TMS Matters for those who are purchasing, and don’t want to suffer a significant $ % of vehicle depreciation.

That seems reasonable. If the battery management system is so great, then why are they dumping the batteries and the TMS, or lack of it design in the upcoming Leaf?
Because it’s inferior. Nissan has admitted this in actions, though not in words.
I would agree with you to lease, then buy a Bolt, Model 3, or new Leaf.

+1. Yes, leasing a LEAF could be the best idea if you can get a solid deal.

Or if you live a mild climate and don’t do a lot of continuous driving. For me it would work though I don’t drive much, so in my case buying would make more sense.
I will definitely check out the brand spanking new one with LG Chem batteries and LTMS, coming in the Fall of this year.

On a side note, why are so many calls signs sans pictures. Like Will, Ziv, Nix, Me, Kdawg,etc…;

Yes, the upcoming is likely a much better option.

“Mild Climate” is relative. The only people who seem to complain about Leaf batteries live in AZ and southern CA.

TX, FL, GA…

Yeah, it’s not just the heat that ruins Leaf batteries, it’s the humidity.

So large parts of FL and at least the New Orleans area of LA are not good.

High humidity, in combination with excessive ambient heat conditions, is the proverbial double whammy for the 2012-18 Leaf, without any battery Liquid TMS.

It is safe to figure an additional annual 1% battery degradation (for the H/H factor), on top of the average/typical Leaf battery 3.% (+/- .5%) range / capacity loss.

However, many Leaf drivers, YRMV.

And Nevada

Add my complaint from NC. I did have to do a fair amount of fast DCFC charging to get around with my reduced capacity 2013 Leaf.

Well, I only paid $7500 for it in the first place and have put 25k miles on it in the interim, so I wouldn’t sniffle at $5k from a stealership…

Its a typical family car. Yes its for everyone

The guy sucks, should have gotten someone else. No mention of model 3 $45k price plus you have to have a a reservation and the $7500 tax credit.

Great cars, people will enjoy the freedom from the gas pump and gas pump handle diseases and the cars can last a quarter million miles if taken care of. We liked our first LEAF so much we bought in 2011 that we bought two more used models. The great thing about the tax cuts is that it is passed on to used consumers so they are excellent used car bargains. The older models do not have as much range of course as the new models so be sure to select the model that best suits your needs. Allow about 25 to 33% extra range for running errands and running the AC and heat. EVs do not generate waste heat to heat the cabin so electric seats and steering wheel warmers are also used as more efficent heating. Our commutes are 40, 42 miles and what a teenager does. So the older models suit our needs perfectly. If we go out of town we have to find chargers using PlugShare dot com and we find things to do while the car is charging — great quality time hiking, biking, dining, shopping, or just hanging with the wife and pups and chatting… Read more »

If you put $10,000 in a saving account in ten years you will have $10,025 dollars. If you put $10,000 in a used Nissan LEAF you will save $20,000 to $30,000 dollars in gasoline in ten years. The Nissan LEAF is the most reliable car that has ever been manufactured. We love or older models and as a family of three we save around $600 every month in gas and oil and maintenance.

The math worked out for me as a commuter car. Not that I was going to go back to an ICE, but I did the math to be informed.

Lease + Electricity is the same as a Lease on a Rogue or Rav4 + gas. However, it’s far better to drive. Doesn’t have that roaring blender sound the ICE engine whenever you’re accelerating. I have taken it across the city on weekends as well and the range is more than adequate for me for that as well.

Of course it doesn’t work for those that buy an Expedition because they tow a boat on those two weeks of vacation that they get every year. But why would you design an EV for people who cannot be reasoned with.

False about the Leaf being most reliable car ever manufactured. It does not get top marks across the board from the Consumer Reports reliability survey unlike some other models sold over the same years.

This is a point i made on here before…the ev actually may have a ROI over the long run (10-15 years). My eGolf break-even is just under 14 years on 10k miles a year (compared to the gas version, if compared to my old car then 8 years) through gas saving alone. So all else equal, since i get my power from pv, after 15 years my car would actually return +$1k while a similar gas version would would cost $33k in total (car + gas). THAT IS A $34K PRICE SWING!!! All of this at current low gas prices…how long that’s going to last? If any of you think that’s nothing then contact me, i am willing to take that $ of your hands.

Saw one in the Wild for the first time,m recently. It is a decent looking small wagon/hatchback.

I would get the Bolt EV over the LEAF though.

I own one, a neighbor owns one, and I am starting to see them daily in the Boulder area. With the Colorado $5k and federal $7.5k tax credits, the new Leaf is a great alternative for practical people that want a car with adequate performance, low upkeep, and low price.

At $5k, I’d think that anything that qualifies for that rebate is a great alternative. Also, with incentives like that, you folks really should jump on the CARB ZEV mandate program. Honda might even bring over the Clarity with better lease deals than we’re getting in CA/OR.

I thought that I was going to get a Bolt until I drove one. The Bolt is uncomfortable for me (front seats especially) and it’s a noticeably smaller car. I use the Leaf’s ProPilot (Mobileye) and everyday I’m glad that it has it.

The ideal car would be the Bolt’s battery pack in the Leaf, but alas, neither could figure out the recipe in making a good EV.

Pack size isn’t everything, we need to know how fast it charges and for how long.

A 60kwh pack at a 7kw charge rate seems reasonable as most people do park at home for at least 8 hours every day.

Concerning range, why not be specific. instead of saying more range, how much more, like 100 miles more on a charge, for the Model 3 and the Bolt. Worthless opinionated POV, from the car for everyone to it could work for a typical family, yeah I will give you that, but a lot cars could manage to do that, in fact most family cars are designed with that in mind.

Works great as a second car for commuting or running around town. Not at all suited for long travel.

When they have battery packs that don’t lose range, then maybe.

Just as soon as they have ice engines that don’t need spark plug replacements and wearing parts.

It’s a good car. Better than the first generation Leaf, which we drove for over three years. However, the battery is the pitfall and the reason we now drive a Bolt. Our Leaf lost three battery indicator bars in less than 25K miles of light use driving. Never doing that again. I desperately hoped Nissan would put in active thermal management for the battery, but they didn’t.

We know the Bolt will get us past 50K miles and probably much farther, with no noticeable battery degradation. And we know we can fast charge multiple times if we have to for longer trips. And it has much more range. It’s not perfect, but it met all the major criteria for our next EV. It also didn’t hurt that we got it for about half the MSRP once all the rebates and discounts were totaled up.

You know nissan warranties against that… it’s practically unheard of for the leaf to lose that much range in that short of a distance. I am sure Nissan will easily replace yours.

The Leaf most definitely is not an EV “for the masses”. It’s an EV for ensuring that EV market penetration will always stay below 5%.

If and when EVs go mainstream, it will be because production EVs will have improved quite a bit over what Nissan has offered in the Leaf up to now!

The only reason it’s not more popular in the US is because of the highly subsidized gas prices. Here in Vancouver where gas is averaging about $4.88 per gallon US it’s a different story, with only a $5000 government credit on the absurdly high premium on the cars they still cannot keep any in stock. There is a three month wait to get them in the color and model you want.

Leslie Anne Chatterton

For everyone? Canadian price STARTS at $35,000! That is not a price the masses can afford.