Uplevel 2016 Chevrolet Volt LTZ Starts At $38,345, Car To Arrive In California First


2016 Chevrolet Volt From Chicago Auto Show (Image: Mike Anthony/InsideEVs)

2016 Chevrolet Volt From Chicago Auto Show (Image: Mike Anthony/InsideEVs)

When GM announced that the new 2016 Chevrolet Volt would start from $33,995 earlier this week (details), the next question asked was “how much for the higher model – LTZ Volt and other trim options”

Thanks to a “Dora@Chevrolet” today via an impromptu Facebook chat on the next gen Volt, we have that answer

“The uplevel Volt (2LZ) will start at $38,345 including $825 DFC. Your Participating Chevrolet Volt Dealer was provided pricing over the weekend.”

New2016 Volt Info Via Live Facebook Chat

New2016 Volt Info Via Live Facebook Chat

Basically this means that if you want features such as navigation, Cadillac’s Intellibeam headlights, Forward Collision Alert, Lane Keep Assist, Front Automatic Braking, rear seat heat and a ton of other features – your 2016 Volt will need the 2LZ package selected.   But if you don’t need all the creature comforts, we suggest sticking with the base LT car.

(Check out an earlier post listing different standard and optional features between the LT and LTZ here)

During the conversation it was also announced Calilfornians will be the first to take delivery of the car, followed by select regions in the east, then nationally.  We expect first deliveries to be made in late Sept/early October, with the wider rollout to CT, MA, MD, ME, NH, NJ, NY, OR, RI & VT happening in November, followed by the unwashed masses in December.

The chat also had some other points of interest, which we have selected below:

Facebook Chat Highlights On 2016 Chevrolet Volt (click to enlarge)

Facebook Chat Highlights On 2016 Chevrolet Volt (click to enlarge)

To check out the entire Facebook chat on the 2016 Chevrolet Volt, check out here.

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110 responses to "Uplevel 2016 Chevrolet Volt LTZ Starts At $38,345, Car To Arrive In California First"
  1. Speculawyer says:

    Damn . . . $5K more? They had better provide a lot of nice fancy stuff for that amount.

    1. jsmay311 says:

      Well, $4,350 more. But, yeah, it’s a lot more than I had expected. On a 2015 Volt, that much extra gets you ALL of the options (excluding fancy paint), but the 2016 LTZ excludes Nav and both safety (err… “driver confidence) packages.

      Based on the earlier article linked above, here’s a quick breakdown of what LTZ gets you (in order of how it’s listed on the order guide):

      -Auto-dimming rearview mirror
      -Leather seats
      -Heated front/rear seats
      -Heated steering wheel
      -Illuminated vanity mirrors
      -Wireless phone/device charging
      -Automatic parking assist
      -Heated side mirrors
      -Fancy machined AL wheels
      -Bose premium speakers

      LTZ does NOT include the following, but you have to get LTZ for these options to be available:

      -Nav system
      -Driver Confidence 1 package
      -Driver Confidence 2 package

      1. Speculawyer says:

        That is decent set of extras. But yeah, it hurts that it doesn’t come with navigation or the fancy ‘driver confidence’ stuff.

      2. QCO says:

        All the first LTZ units likely will come with all 3 options, so it’s going to be over $40k.

        You will have to special order one without the driver aids packages and wait to get it.

      3. CP says:

        The LTZ Cruze (same platform) with nav lists for $25,500 but Edmunds says $22,800 is what you’ll pay. Looks like a $15,000 spread for pretty much the same car.

        1. kdawg says:

          Same car? One is a Volt, the other is a Cruze. Let me spell it for you. V_O_L_T, C_R_U_Z_E.

          1. CP says:

            GM Delta II platform.

            1. kdawg says:

              You understand how platforms work right? Maybe not.

              1. CP says:

                Yes, I do.

                1. Ziv says:

                  If you are seriously comparing a Cruze to a Volt, you don’t.

                2. Mike Murphy says:

                  no, you don’t. The Toyota Avalon and Lexus ES 300/350 share the same platform. Are those the same car? They ARE actually closer together than the Volt and Cruze, but they are still different vehicles

          2. tedfredrick says:

            You can buy a lot of gas for 15K.

            1. kdawg says:

              You could also buy a motorcycle, right?

              1. QCO says:

                You are being obtuse. His point is Joe Average could spend significantly less on a similar sized car and insurance, and still buy 100k miles worth of gas for less than the total Volt cost. And with these prices, that is what Joe Average will do.

                The Volt is brilliantly engineered, but at these prices it remain a niche vehicle for EV enthusiasts rather than a mainstream game changer. That is the tragedy.

            2. Unplugged says:

              You guys can’t seem to understand that the Volt has a fed tax CREDIT that takes $7500 off the difference or in California, it’s $9000 off the difference between a Cruz and a Volt. So there’s a $6000 difference between state of the art and the same old gasser. That’s not bad.

              1. CP says:

                And you can’t seem to understand that a lot of people don’t qualify for the whole $7,500 credit.

    2. mrenergyczar says:

      Its too bad you can’t get the sporty 5 spoke wheels on the LTZ. Seems odd.

  2. David Murray says:

    I’m surprised they will be doing another staggered rollout. I sort of understood why with the original Volt. But why now? I’m glad I went ahead and bought a used 2013. I just had to turn in my 2012 off lease. I had thought about trying to hold out for the 2016 but since I’m in Texas, looks like I might be waiting a while.

  3. Bill Howland says:

    I for one like the 2 levels. All I would really like is a nice radio, those other gadgets mean nothing to me.

    I want a car with nice seats and a nice radio. And a decent all electric range. Guess thats why it looks like I’m getting an ELR friday, if everything goes to plan.

    Bye bye, roadster, its been a fun four years. But now, you’ve got plenty of performance left in you, and there are those who need you more than I do. Best wishes.

    1. Spider-Dan says:

      I’m also considering whether to get a (used) ELR or a Volt 2.0 when my lease is up next April…

      1. Bill Howland says:

        I was of 2 minds about the ELR, but then I’ve just read some reviews on cars.com.


        Art on wheels

        by Illinois car guy from Central Illinois | November 28, 2014

        Cadillac is relieving the price gripe by helping dealers sell inventory. Good move! The car itself is a sterling piece of design inside and out. The materials are the best. The first day I owned it I went to a shopping mall and found the car being admired when I returned to it. The mall even has a free charging station. Driving it is a smooth and quiet experience, more so than any other premium car I have owned. The Bose sound system is great when you want to break the silence. A buyer needs to recognize the car was not designed to haul kids to soccer practice. It is a refined adult experience”


        by Toledo from Toledo, Ohio | August 11, 2014

        2400 miles and still have not visited a gas station, so convenient . Beautiful styling inside and out. Solid ride, no rattles or creaks of any kind. Engineering light years ahead of Tesla. It’s not even close to a Volt, I had one. Drive one for a week, you won’t want to give it up. No noise, no shifting, no turbo lag, just super smooth torque.”


        Unique niche car

        by Radiant Silver ELR in AZ from Phoenix, AZ | July 12, 2014

        The ELR is designed and priced to be a low volume niche car…which is why I bought (leased) one. The car is very well put together, has a great handling nimble ride (even in Sport mode) for a 4k lb. car. The same bumps and dips in the road I live on are almost non existent compared to the 2013 CTS Coupe Perf. pkg. I used to drive. Overall, a very awesome car to drive everyday and right now I’m getting an average of 63.8 mpg with my right lead foot. Picked the car off a local Caddy showroom as the first in the Metro area. Still love the car after 4 mos. and get awestruck looks from passers by every time I’m out driving it. I love the uniqueness of it and don’t care about the price. If you’re hung up on the price then you don’t understand the uniqueness of a niche luxury vehicle. It’s an EV Caddy people!!!”.

        There were a few negatives but they were all from people who didn’t own an ELR and they basically said the same thing I did earlier when I said there were too many things I didn’t like about it.

        The things above that surprise me Spider-Dan is that they say , No comparison to either a Volt or a Tesla.

        I can understand the Tesla comment, but no comparison to a volt? He means its that good? If so , great!

        1. Chip says:

          I understand your reservations about the ELR. However, owners seem to love their ELRs, as reflected in the quotes you quoted.
          Likewise, an owner review on youtube is very positive:

          It seems the ELR offers a rare chance to drive a vehicle with concept car styling and the best attributes of Cadillac: refined, comfortable & quiet.

          1. Bill Howland says:

            Ok thanks for digging this up Chip. I guess the consensus is, at $50k its slam dunk great. Which incidentally, is all people are paying for basically last year’s ELR.

            I’ll find out more on friday, but one dealer out of 4 agreed to an even swap of my Roadster. I have no problem with someone else getting 4 more years of enjoyment out of it. The battery and other electricals are still in excellent shape. The inverter module is only 7 months old, being changed due to a hammer-mechanic at Tesla’s service shop.

            What I am getting, in the trade, will be greatly reduced maintenance with the Cadillac. The engine only runs on trips, as far as I know, and the planetary gear set apparently only clutches in and out during synchronism. So there is little wear.

            Basically both the Volt, and ELR should be 200,000 mile cars. The AC motors should be relatively long lived, and the engine rarely runs and is gently used when it is.

            1. Mike Murphy says:

              Erick “Sparkie” Belmer is up to 260,000 miles on his 2012 Volt now:

    2. QCO says:

      I think you are probably right, Bill.

      The ELR has better seats and radio than the Volt, and with the heavy discounts it’s not much more than the new Volt.

      No way I’m paying $40k for a small Chevrolet branded vehicle, incentives notwithstanding. It’s overpriced by $4-5k.

  4. Carcus says:

    The Nav is the biggy. How many prospective Volt owners would order without Nav? Not many. And Nav is what…. another grand?

    So the ‘real’ price of the Volt is $39,500…

    1. wavelet says:

      I’m curious about this:
      In this day and age, why get an in-car Nav. system ?
      An in-car system is not usually updated frequently by the vendors.

      A standalone unit (Garmin et. al) gives you a lot more choice model-wise, and be moved between different vehicles (not to mention is only a few $100s at most, not $1K)

      Cheapest option is the free smartphone solutions, which are free, and get updated continuously. Even better is something like Waze, which gives you completely realtime data (unless you spend a lot of time outside cell coverage, or don’t have a large-data-allowance smartphone plan, uncommon nowadays).

      1. David Murray says:

        I sort of said the same thing. And when I turned in my 2012 Volt I went with a cheaper used Volt with no NAV. I’m already missing it. It is easier to look at when going down the road than my iPhone.

        1. Speculawyer says:

          Get a good mount for your phone.

          1. glavewu says:

            The nav is integrated into the dashboard behind the steering, not just on the 7in main display. Also don’t mention the destination sync from your smartphone app. I used to say the same thing until I got my 2013 volt with nav, it was quite advanced that time, even today not so many cars have that.

        2. wavelet says:

          Yes, mounting is the usual gotcha — you want the Nav device screen to be about the same height as the instrument panel / vents, so you can easily include it in a quick instruments sweep without looking down from the windshield; I always found the windshield vacuum mounts to block part of the view ahead, and they always fall off after a week at most.

          Have a look at the Tetrax magnetic mounts:
          They’re tiny but magnets are really strong so work really well up to about a 5″ device, so fine for most smartphones. I’ve been using them for several years now, and never had a phone fall unless I knocked into it really strongly. I use the “smart” model with adhesive-backed xvent base, so as not to block an air vent.
          They’re completely unobtrusive when the phone isn’t attached.

      2. Speculawyer says:

        yeah, I like Google Maps on my phone far more than any Nav system I’ve ever used.

      3. wraithnot says:

        “I’m curious about this:
        In this day and age, why get an in-car Nav. system ?”

        I absolutely love the built-in nav in the Model S. You get turn-by-turn instructions right next to the gauge cluster, the standard map displayed on the giant 17″ screen, and the maps for the turn-by-turn nav are updated over-the-air for free on a fairly regular basis (the main screen nav uses google maps and only updates when the car has a 3G signal). It also allows the nav system to integrate route planning with supercharger locations and predict how much range you’ll have at your destination based on the elevation changes along your route.

        I can’t say if the nav system in the new Volt is any better than a Garmin or a smartphone mounted to the dash. But I know of at least one built-in nav system that is MUCH better than a Garmin or mounted smart phone.

        1. wavelet says:

          Well, the Tesla SatNav is certainly an outlier, with the large built-in screen, and the recent SW updates routing that integrates charging station locaiton/status & battery level with the routing.

          I don’t expect the smartphone apps to be able to do this for quite a while — not until EVs are a significant chunk of sales.

          Incidentally, I’m curious whether the Model 3 will have all of these features, and whether they’ll be standard…

      4. CP says:

        I got nav in my other vehicle, a big Ram pickup. It was $600, so I figured what the hell why not. I hardly ever use it, because the places where I might need guidance are not on nav systems. That said, when I do use nav (almost always just on a lark), I prefer it in the vehicle because I’m not holding a phone and glancing at it while driving.

        In my Ram, the maps and turn-by-turn show up directly in front of me on a small screen, and a bigger screen in the center of the dashboard. I find Google maps to be a pain in the ass, and still don’t know how to make it talk.

      5. Draighven says:

        Not as uncommon as you might think. None of my friends have data on their phones any more than the absolute minimum the phone company requires. We use wifi hot spots and home wifi to do large downloads and their data plan for quick internet checks. With free wifi at every mcdonalds and star bucks around here it’s easy to do. But that makes Nav on the Phone a no go when traveling.

        1. wavelet says:

          There are still smartphone apps that have offline maps, and don’t require a constant data connection when navigaitng, unlike the Google/Apple/Waze apps; for example TomTom.

          That said, SatNav doesn’t use that much data.
          I also live in a country with ubiquitous free WiFi (including most public transport and public parks). I therefore use cellular data virtually only for SatNav (Waze), and have a per-MB data usage I pay $5-$7/mo. for the SatNav data usage.

    2. ModernMarvelFan says:

      “The Nav is the biggy. How many prospective Volt owners would order without Nav? ”

      Just about all the Volt owners I know except for one didn’t want the Nav, but many of them got it b/c that is the options that car already came with.

      With today’s technology, you certainly get a way better Nav for less if you go aftermarket or just use your nice smartphone…

      Built in Nav has become less and less appealing

      I only pay for it if it is less than $500 just for the smooth interface with the rest of the car.

      1. Carcus says:

        Look at the options sheet. All the my link features (which lets your phone integrate with the car) including Bluetooth streaming, Siri, 8″ color screen and all the cool stuff that makes your new high tech car feel new and high tech isn’t available to you unless you get the Nav. Which means you’ve got to upgrade to LTZ.

        1. ModernMarvelFan says:

          Maybe that is a change in option structure, but my 2012 Volt certainly can have mylink without Nav…

          1. Carcus says:

            So, do you think there’s going to be many ‘sans my-link’ volts ordered?

            1. ModernMarvelFan says:

              I don’t know for sure, but I certainly think Nav is overpriced.

              My link is cool for other reasons beside Nav but if I don’t think I need it, then I won’t pay $2000 just for a $100 option.

              1. Carcus says:

                The “my-link” type feature (phone integration) is kind of like cruise control. Once you’ve had a car with it, you’re not going to go back to not having it.

                So GM is using the “my-link” feature on the Volt just like cruise control has been used for years. Dealerships will advertise a “get them in the door” price for a base model, but then when you get there to take a look you realize there’s no cruise control and you’ve got to move up to even have the option.

                And there’s not a good aftermarket alternative because it requires the equipment AND a fair amount of installation and wiring (you still want the buttons on the steering wheel and the mic overhead and integration into the cars audio ….).

                1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                  People have been driving cars without it for years and they certainly don’t have to have it.

                  I still have a flip phone…

                  1. Carcus says:

                    So you buy your cars without cruise control?

                  2. Carcus says:

                    So to be clear here:

                    Nobody’s buying a dam $34,000 car without phone integration. Even if you don’t understand that, GM certainly does.

                    1. ItsNotAboutTheMoney says:

                      Except that the only thing you don’t get with the LT is the navigation, as indicated by the order book that was previously posted on this site.


                      The system is capable of nav, but it’s disabled without the paid option. If you have full OnStar you can call them for directions, they’ll send them to the car and you’ll get turn by turn.

                      So to get nav you’ll have to go LTZ, and that’s the old Premium package + old Bose + heated steering wheel and rear seats, parking assist, polished wheels, wireless phone charging.

                    2. Carcus says:

                      Well there you go. If I’d have only read page 2 instead of page 1.

    3. Grumpy says:

      My wife’s Fusion Hybrid (2011) has the nav system. It was a collaborative effort between Ford and Micorsoft. I think we paid 1,500$. The funny thing is that it the voice is EXACTLY like the iPhone app on the iPhone 5! I can’t tell any difference at all, except that Ford wants 200$ to update the map database every year and you get it for free with the iPhone. The fact is that a 5-year old infotainment system is really lacking in features and only Tesla seems to understand the need to update software

      My guess is that in 5 years these in car nav/infotainment system will be as obsolete as an 8-track tape. The car will provide something like a Bluetooth connection to your phone and a touchscreen.

      1. LuStuccc says:


    4. kdawg says:

      I couldn’t care less about Nav. The only thing I would want in the LTZ trim is the polished aluminum wheels since I like the look of them so much. I probably wouldn’t pay the premium for them though.

  5. ModernMarvelFan says:

    $4K is NOT surprising.

    That is about $1K more than what today’s equivalent option differences are..

    That is about what a LEAF S and SV/SL price difference are…

    It is how you “upsell” to make profit. Especially when you don’t know for sure what the eventual volume will be.

    1. Londo Bell says:

      $40k IS surprising, for a compact class vehicle, under the Chevy brand.

      In CA, that translates to around $45K drive off, whether you qualify for the Fed tax credit or not. Even if one leases, you still have to pay the sales tax on full vehicle price, for those who don’t’ know.

      I guess that we will be seeing “Who killed the electric car, again?” soon…

      1. Spider-Dan says:

        $40k full loaded shouldn’t be too surprising for a Chevy Volt, given that the previous gen started at $41k for the base model.

      2. ModernMarvelFan says:

        Please don’t waste your time again. YOu seem to bash the Volt at whatever chance you get. I have seen plenty of your other posts..

        $38K is MSRP and most smart buyers don’t pay MSRP these days.

        Comparing to an advanced Prius Plugin, it is a bargain.

        Average car price is over $33K today so after incentive Volt is actually cheaper than $33K.

        In California, you will get addtional $1500 to offset the cost.

        A Load LEAF will cost near $36K and got no REx either.

        1. Londo Bell says:

          If you can support your claims with facts, it will definitely make your arguments more sound.

          NOT ONCE….

          So keep living in your dreams and spilling all these assumptions as nonsense, just because you said so.

          Volt bashing or not, it’s reality of how GM is “selling” the Volt.

          FYi – you didn’t include taxes for CA, Volt’s main market. You just assumed the vheicle will be sold under MSRP like it’s a given. You just stated it’s a bargain to the PIP with no support and without considering the need of various buyers. You assumed that the average car price is $33K without thinking that the price includes all type of vehicles, rather than just the compact class that the Volt is in, not to mention the assumption that not everyone qualifies for all the incentives, and in fact, most DO NOT! In CA, $1500 offsets not even the sales tax of the vehicle, and the check itself is NOT tax deductible from the sales orice. A loaded doesn’t have a rex, thus, it doesn’t use a drop of gas. Morreover, not only it is $4k cheaper than a loaded Volt, it serves a totally different market – for those who don’t need a drop of gasoline for their daily use. Using the LEAF as your argument serves no logical purpose, in case you haven’t learned about it.

          Time to wake up and smell the coffee, MMF.

        2. QCO says:

          Well you’ve never seen me bash the Volt, in fact quite the opposite in many posts that support the Volt concept.

          But at this price I’m going to start bashing it now. It is a second generation vehicle with significant cost reduction engineering that by their own admission was supposed to bring the price down significantly to make it a mainstream vehicle choice.

          And although the average price for new cars is $33k as you say, that price gets you a far nicer and more upscale vehicle than a Chevrolet Volt.

          1. kdawg says:

            “More upscale”? Just because something has a certain hood emblem doesn’t translate to “upscale”.

            And Londo needs to rebrand his brain if he just naturally associates everything w/”Chevrolet” as “cheap”.

            Heaven forbid people form their own opinions w/out branding.

            1. QCO says:

              Actually kdawg, you need only look in house for examples.

              The Impala is a much more upscale car for the same price, and the new Malibu is probably equally nice (and bigger) for a lower price (probably in hybrid form too, which is the same drive train, sans battery). Across the parking lot, a Cadillac ATS isn’t much more, and across the street the Fusion (even in hybrid form) is much nicer and bigger for the price.

              The Volt 2 is simply over priced for what it is, and therefore will remain a niche vehicle. I think GM already has come to this conclusion internally, the mainstream electrified vehicle will be the hybrid Malibu. All that development for the Voltec 2 drive train wasn’t for the Volt, it was for the Malibu (and possibly some other upcoming hybrids). The Volt is a sideshow for EV enthusiasts, not a mainstream solution at these prices.

            2. Londo Bell says:

              We are talking about the same brand, Chevy, correct? The one that sells Spark, Sonic, and Cruze for under $20K, right?

              And also the brand that all car rental company offer the most too, no?

              Um…let me find a BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, Caddy, MB, Audi, etc. at that price range.

              Another person that needs to wake up and smell the coffee, I guess, from the GM or nothing world…

              1. Londo Bell says:

                for compact class vehicle…

              2. Spider-Dan says:

                If you have a problem with a $20k Cruze and a $40k Volt, you should probably avoid going to a BMW dealership and looking at the price difference between a 3 Series and an M3 (which are a hell of a lot more similar than a Cruze and a Volt).

          2. Spider-Dan says:

            This is going to sting a bit to say, but:

            I think GM’s problem is that they spent too much time listening to the demands of Volt owners.

            Instead of spending gen2 R&D time getting prices down dramatically, they’ve spent most of it improving the car.

            – more AER
            – better MPG
            – regular gas instead of premium
            – 5 seats instead of 4
            – quieter engine operation
            – faster 0-30 and 0-60

            With all of these improvements, it looks like significant price cuts are going to be pushed back to gen3 (unless GM starts improving the car again).

            Then again, the Volt may continue its status as a GM halo car, and Chevy may introduce another lower-end Voltec model for the crank-windows crowd.

      3. Lensman says:

        Londo Bell said:

        “$40k IS surprising, for a compact class vehicle, under the Chevy brand.”

        It certainly was a surprise that GM gave something as expensive as the Volt a Chevy brand, back in 2010. But five years later, it’s odd that you consider it still surprising.

        “I guess that we will be seeing ‘Who killed the electric car, again?’ soon…”

        We’ve moved far past that. So has the director of “Who Killed the Electric Car?”:


        1. Londo Bell says:

          They are supposedly to be jokes, but I guess bad ones…thank goodness I ain’t a comedian.

          My point being, after almost 5 years, GM still has NOT realized that the vehicle is too expensive for both the brand and the class it is in. 3 years od declining sales mean nothing to it apparently…DA had the right idea to price it sub $30K, only to have that strategy gone once he’s gone.

          If I have a crystal ball. I would say that GM is pretty much make it a good will thing for the Volt fans and the media…to carry on the VOLT name before the next vehicle. It will be on the chopping board once the technology is transferred to other GM vehicles, due to the low sales number, especially if the green stickers in CA won’t be renewed a 3rd time (there were a lot of resistance from the plugin world last time it was renewed). That’s my basis for the 3rd movie installment.

          1. Spider-Dan says:

            The most expensive vehicle GM sells has sported a Chevy badge for many years. You’re probably familiar with it, because like the Volt, GM considers it a “halo car.”

  6. Carcus says:

    ….and good luck finding an LT.

    If it looks like a compliance car, smells like a compliance car…

    1. Spider-Dan says:

      If the Volt’s a “compliance car,” and it was the highest selling EV in America until a couple months ago, what does that make every other EV? Sub-compliance?

      1. LuStuccc says:

        Highest selling maybe but in very small numbers relativelybtomwhatbcould have been done.

        1. Spider-Dan says:

          And as usual, your idea of what could have been done is not based on anything that actually exists. You have invented an arbitrary position of Where You Think EVs Should Be Now and hold everyone (except Tesla, of course!) to that fantasy standard.

    2. CP says:

      Volt is not a compliance car.

      1. QCO says:

        The Volt certainly has not been a compliance car.

        But it’s surprising and unneccesary to see a staged rollout with the Volt2 going to compliance car states first. Clearly it’s a compliance car for the first 4-5 months, which is not what anyone would have expected from GM.

        1. Spider-Dan says:

          And which EV are you comparing the Gen 2 Volt to? You know, the non-compliance-car that had a simultaneous-50-state rollout?

          The Gen 1 Volt is currently available in every state, but it didn’t start that way. GM has prioritized the states that sell the Volt the fastest for the first batches of Gen 2 Volts. This is not rocket science.

          1. QCO says:

            Most mainstream cars roll out nationwide, including hybrids. That is generally the norm.

            Having the Volt 2 roll out in compliance cars States first is a clear statement by GM that Volt 2 is not really being positioned as a mainstream car. The high pricing is also indicative of that.

            If you still don’t believe, then let’s test that theory by watching the new Malibu hybrid rollout when it comes. Same drive train, same battery components (although less of them).

            1. Spider-Dan says:

              We’re still talking about EVs, right?

              You appear to be saying that every EV is a “compliance car.” If not, then simply cite the EV that had a simultaneous 50-state rollout and we can continue the discussion.

    3. Ziv says:

      Carcus, I drive a base Volt and love everything about it except the tiny backseats, and the slow 3.3 charge rate but the rear seat legroom is the only beef I have with the Volt.
      And I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that the base model Volt is easy to find within 2 weeks of the intro of the Volt to your state.

  7. Mike777 says:

    One thing we’ve learned, is Warren Buffett don’t know **** about pricing. GM still following Buffetts lead of starting with a high price, ( that never seems to drop ). Because “you can’t raise the price later”.

    However, these high prices make the car unattractive and make the competition look much better.

    Why get a Volt when you’re brushing up against BMW prices???

    1. Mike777 says:

      I’ve got to emphasize this.
      You’re not selling in volume yet. And Toyota has adjusted prices upward on the Prius, and Honda on the Civic hybrid, so, if you have demand you can raise prices.

      But, you don’t have demand.
      Not 50,000 car demand, and that should be your target.

    2. Chris B says:

      Honestly, GM seems to be positioning this as the “smart / value” play against the BMW i3 rex. At a base of $47,200 with dest, the i3 is $13,205 more than the Volt. I assume a fully loaded Volt will be $6k more and be $39,995 with dest vs. $55,850 for the loaded i3 rex (i.e. i3 is $15,855 more). The i3 is definitely a more “premium” product in many ways, but is also a more restricted product in others (primarily that stupid little gas tank).

      Now, will prospective buyers see it that way? Will the Volt’s uber quick 0-30 time “fool” buyers into thinking it is as quick (after 30) as the i3? Will “funky” styling win over “mainstream Civic with aluminum foil front end looks”? Will the BMW propeller carry enough panache to overshadow the Chevy bowtie?

      We’ll know soon enough!

      1. Lensman says:

        Chris, thanks for comparing costs of the BMW i3 and the Volt 2.0. I thought the above comment implying the prices are about equal couldn’t be right, so thanks for confirming that.

        One thing is certain: If I wanted to buy a PHEV that performs well as either an EV or a gas guzzler, I would absolutely buy the Volt and not the i3. The way BMW crippled the auxiliary gas generator in the U.S. version makes me wonder why anyone would pay for that. As a BEV, the i3 gets good reviews, despite the fact it has no more range than the Leaf. But BMW’s attempt to make a PHEV version of the i3 as a PHEV, the “REx”, is feeble and half-baked.

      2. kdawg says:

        “The i3 is definitely a more “premium” product in many ways”
        How so? I don’t think it is.

        1. Anon says:

          “Moist Frunk Syndrome” is premium?


  8. Mike777 says:

    That radar controlled braking looks very attractive to me, for the possible offspring that might drive this car, but, again, GM is pricing it out of reach for most Americans.

    Does GM know pricing?
    I’m starting to doubt it.

    They screwed it up with Caddy too.

  9. philip d says:

    I have to say that really pisses me off. My 2013 Volt lease is up in mid-November. I assumed the new Volt would be here in GA in plenty of time if they started moving them at the end of Summer or September.

    1. philip d says:

      I’m sure my dealer will allow me to extend the lease as long as I order another vehicle with them but that takes away any leverage I have to go with another dealer if they try to gouge me because it’s a new model in demand.

      If I try to simply extend the lease without buying through them then I probably will take a soaking.

    2. Chris B says:

      Yep. My lease is up in July (in Dallas), and while I can milk a month (maybe three) w/o it, this doesn’t bode well for folks not on the East or West Coasts. This “lack of control” as to the next purchase is turning out to be the part about leasing I hate the most.

      1. Loboc says:

        I tried leasing with my GenI Volt. Big mistake. Not only lack of flexibility but Ally gets into your business WAY too much during the lease period. The lease paperwork reads like a Mafia loan agreement.

        I will never, ever lease again. I bought an ELR and took a huge financial hit to get out of that loathsome lease.

        1. Spider-Dan says:

          I’ve leased my Volt for over 2 years and Ally has not gotten into my business at all.

  10. Dr. Miguelito Loveless says:

    I’ll just wait to for the the 2nd gen to come off leases and buy used. Then it will be priced where it should.

    1. Mike777 says:


    2. kubel says:

      But by then gen 3 will be right around the corner without the rear hump and with 70 miles of AER.

      My plan right now is to wait for Gen 2 to come out and then buy a loaded Gen 1 when the price is right ($10,000). Then drive that until an affordable 200-mile EV comes out.

  11. Bloggin says:

    My only concern with the New Volt is that it went from a rather nice looking compact car, to a looking more like a smallish, no frills economy car. The older design looked like you were getting something for your $30k+, but the new model looks to much like a $16k lower trim level compact.

    1. Lensman says:

      De gustibus non est disputandum.

      However, the older Volt shares a front end with the very cheap Chevy Cruze. The new Volt may still share some Cruze parts, but at least it has a different look.

      Bottom line: EVs which look too much like gas guzzlers don’t sell well. Hopefully the distinct look will help the Volt 2.0 sell better.

      1. QCO says:

        The Volt2 isn’t really unique anymore. I’ve lost count of how many commenters think it looks like a Civic. And after seeing a blue Civic in a parking lot today I suddenly understand why people say it does.

        The problem now is Volt2 has become a conventional mainstream compact car, but with a premium niche vehicle price.

      2. wavelet says:

        “Bottom line: EVs which look too much like gas guzzlers don’t sell well”
        You’re extrapolating based on very little data.
        The VW e-Golf and e-Up, which look identical to the ICE models, are selling very well in Europe, and not too badly in the US (and will sell better once they’re sold in more states — they’re not compliance cars).
        And of course, all those Euro larger-class PHEVs look like the ICE versions they’re derived from, and some are selling nicely (Outlander, Golf GTE).

  12. Breezy says:

    Title of this post is incorrect. Should read $38,345.

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Whoops, little transposition error there (just in the title-not article). Well look, the car just got about $100 cheaper, (=

      Thanks for the heads up. Fixed

  13. Fabian says:

    Wow, no NAV in a 30+k car? That is pretty sleezy IMHO.

    I have seen cheapo corollas, sentras, and focus with decent NAV system for under 20k. Sheesh. For pete’s sake, you can get a decent GPS unit for 100 bucks now-awadys; and Nokia HERE is now freakin’ free.

    Sounds like a money grab in the wrong direction GM. How about instead trying to focus on adding real features for the money like radar cruise control, instead of adding lame things like Wireless charging or leather seats that nobody who commutes really needs.

    1. bro1999 says:

      I have NAV in my 2012 Volt, and the only good thing about it is that it’s integrated into the front console. Otherwise, it’s crap. I have to pay $200 bucks each time I want to update the maps? Really? And even then, the ‘update’ is probably at least a year out of date?

      I find myself using my phone nav apps (Waze, Google maps) almost exclusively these days, as the built-in NAV in my Volt is almost worthless due to it being so out of date.

      1. kdawg says:

        I don’t know why they even offer Nav in cars anymore. I see they did get rid of the CD player finally.

        I’m sure there’s still people complaining about it not having a tape-deck.

  14. Anon says:

    I don’t need to say a word. GM and you guys, do all my work for me. But lets summarize anyways. 😉

    Yes, it looks like a small “me-too” civic. But this means GM wants to sell it in large numbers.

    Yes, it’s over-priced; especially after all GM’s own PR about significant cost reduction for this version. There may be a longer game being played here…

    Yes, GM is trying to be “hip”, by naming the trims “Leet”, “Leets” and “Two-Leet”. They so clever. But not Tesla Clever. 😉

    Yes. I’m still hate’n on the fake rear windows on this thing. Makes it look cheap. If you can’t build it that way, please don’t put in tacky black plastic window panels. GAH! Econo-car styling at premium prices…

    Yes. Staged rollout to CARB states first, does give the impression of credit-grabbing compliance. But there may be a hidden bright side to this. The vehicle price does have room to drop a bit, once production ramps and nationwide sales begin. I.e., soak the early adopters and CARB markets, then see what the rest of the country will be willing to pay for it. *shrugs*

  15. kdawg says:

    Regarding the FB chat, I found this Q&A interesting.

    Q: Are there incentives for current Volt owners going into the next generation Volt?
    A: Right now there aren’t any incentives for current Volt owners. More information to come later this year.

    1. kubel says:

      I think they mean loyalty incentives, not tax incentives. For example, Nissan will give $1000 loyalty discount to any 2011/2012 LEAF owner that buys/leases another Nissan.

      1. kdawg says:

        Yes, that is what I was referring to, sorry if it wasn’t clear. I’ll need some major incentives to get me to upgrade to Gen2. Otherwise I’ll just wait for the Bolt/Model-3

  16. kubel says:

    Add Michigan to the list of initial releases. I highly doubt the Volt will be unavailable in its state of assembly and HQ.

  17. Taser54 says:

    I absolutely love the Gen 2; however, I prefer not to spend that much money for a vehicle (millionaire next door mentality). It looks like a used low-mileage 2013 Volt will be the short-term solution as I am sure that its market price will drop once the new Volts become available.

    I still believe that GM will sell more Gen 2 volts than Gen 1. It is a much better car and the public has shown a willingness to jump on the 2nd generation bandwagon for items.

  18. EVer says:

    Lol @ Halogens on a 2016 vehicle

    everything should be LED or Xenon at least

  19. EVer says:

    I think i’ll rather get a used ELR than a new Volt

    1. Speculawyer says:

      You can probably get a new one for a pretty low price. I think they are gathering dust.