2 Year Old Chevy Volt – 146,000 Miles and Counting

4 years ago by Eric Loveday 59

This 146,000-Plus Mile Chevy Volt Turns 2 Years Old Today

This 146,000-Plus Mile Chevy Volt Turns 2 Years Old Today

Erick Belmer is the proud owner of a 2012 Volt with 146,000 miles + on the odometer.

Belmer's Dash Display

Belmer’s Dash Display

Yes, that’s right. There exists a two-year-old (Happy Birthday to Volt!) Chevy Volt with more than 146,000 miles on it, of which 52,734-plus miles were done on electricity.

As Belmer previously told InsideEVs, the Volt was purchased on March 28, 2012. Since then, it’s seen a daily commute of ~240 miles there and back, with a single longest trip of 430 miles in a day.

Belmer comments that even with 146,000 miles on the odometer, the Volt still provides him with 40 miles of electric-only range on a daily basis, a bit less during the cold Ohio winters.

At 146,000-plus miles, Belmer’s love affair with his Chevy Volt is as strong as ever.

What’s not to love when oil changes come every 37,000 miles and tire rotations every 10,000 miles. That’s basically all the maintenance that’s been required on Belmer’s Volt, aside from a right front wheel bearing being replaced.

As Belmer previously told InsideEVs:

“This is the first car I’ve purchased that I truly feel I got more vehicle than I paid for!”

Belmer surely loves his Volt and says it’s a wonderfully engineered vehicle.  Belmer now owns two Chevy Volts.

To the best of our knowledge, Belmer’s Chevy Volt has the highest mileage of any Volt out in the wild, yet its battery remains strong and its mechanicals in perfect working order.

Volt Stats For Belmer's Chevy Volt - Link Here

Volt Stats For Belmer’s Chevy Volt – Link Here

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59 responses to "2 Year Old Chevy Volt – 146,000 Miles and Counting"

  1. ClarksonCote says:

    Very cool. I wish the general public realized what the Volt was: A vehicle that can use zero gasoline for 40 miles, regardless of speed or acceleration, with great torque and performance. AND after that, uses gasoline to go as far as you need to go, without the need to stop and charge.

    It’s gas free commuting for many, with the ability to go further when needed without concern.

    In the past two days I had two separate people ask me about the Volt. Neither realized that it had a gas engine, then both likened it to the Prius, which isn’t really true either. The general public really doesn’t understand how cool the Volt is.

    I hope GM gets all their dealers on board and markets the vehicle a lot more for Volt Gen 2.0 coming next year. Also hoping (fantasy?) that they put the technology in more vehicles and create a whole “Voltec” lineup.

    1. pjkPA says:

      I agree… I’ve had my Volt for close to a year and a half… I just gave a ride to a long time neighbor… he too didn’t realize that it had a generator. The owner of a local hardware store also didn’t know much about the Volt.. and everyone still thinks it costs $40,000…. I paid $22,900 before GM lowered the price $5,000. In Pa you get $7500 from fed.. then #3,000 from PA .. then $2,000 from dealer.. and if you have a GM card you get another $3,500… bringing the cost down to $18,900.

  2. GeorgeS says:

    As much as I like my Volt I think this guys driving cycle is way low in %EV to justify using the Volt.

    He is only getting 50 MPGe…..same as the Prius.

    I have both a Volt and a Prius. On trips such as his I would opt for the Prius…..why?

    In RE mode up and down hills the Prius is not as obnoxious as the Volt. The Volt’s engine is more strained and it revs higher.

    Not to mention the price difference and the room inside.

    1. Brian says:

      I was thinking the same thing – this guy would have used less energy driving a Prius instead of a Volt.

      Still, having driven both vehicles, the experience of driving a Prius does not even compare with driving a Volt.

      1. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

        Indeed, the Volt is a lot more pleasant to drive.. But the Prius has more room.. I reckon the longest range to get a real economy advantage in a Volt is 80-90 miles between charges. Though to be fair, a compact 4cyl conventional car with Volt’s acceleration and handling is more likely in the 40s mpgwise, and compared to that the economical range increases quite a bit.

      2. bro1999 says:

        This owner probably spends a minimum of 4 hours a day in his car at least 5 days a week driving to and from work. Would you want to be in a Prius for that amount of time?? Or a Volt?

        1. Juan says:

          I can see the allure, love driving my leaf, like driving my prius (when the rattles dont drive me crazy). Leaf is, how can i say a sound car. I can imagine the volt offers the same interior quality and lack of noise for those estimated 40 mile range, than a much nicer enviorment when driving on gas than a prius.

    2. ClarksonCote says:

      54MPG. Average. Over 160,000 miles. A Prius will not do that. It will max out at 50MPG but its average over a year will be lower.

      His numbers are impressive, MPG numbers can be misleading. The maintenance he hasn’t had to do also speaks volumes of electrified transportation.

      1. Brian says:

        I’m not sure where you’re getting 54 from, but the picture shows 60.72 MPG. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it is my understanding that this means he burned 2417.68 gallons to drive those 146801.59 miles.

        1. ClarksonCote says:

          I was looking at his screen capture for lifetime MPG. I believe it is more accurate than VoltStats.net

          You’re correct that VoltStsts.net is accurate in that he burned 2417.68 gallons to drive those 146801.59 miles, or 60.72MPG.

          The lifetime MPG on the screen takes into account ALL miles on the car, not just when VoltStats.net started tracking them. So in my defense of a Volt over a Prius, I was attempting to be more conservative and objective than taking the best numbers for the Volt.

          1. Brian says:

            Of course, the difference either way is in the noise. Which to me is impressive in itself given the incredibly long commute this gentleman has. With a more typical commute, it is no contest.

            1. KenZ says:

              Agreed. One interesting question would be: with that length of commute, if he had a supercharger on the way, would he have SAVED money with a Tesla?

          2. Brian says:

            I didn’t even notice the 54.1 in the screen shot. Also, thanks for reminding us non-Volt drivers that VoltStats is half real data (mileage and gasoline usage) and half hard-coded data (MPGe in electric mode).

      2. ClarksonCote says:

        (James style reply-to-self): I see that you’re referring to MPGe and not MPG. The MPGe number is based on the MPGe rating of the Volt, which is based on 38EPA rated miles. It would appear this user is getting much higher than that (42 miles in 9.7kWh instead of 38 miles in 10.4kWh) so the MPGe number really needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

        Also, at 54MPG, his miles per unit gasoline consumed is still much better than a Prius, and that is a good thing for financially (his wallet), economically (our country), and environmentally.

      3. Brian says:

        So if we assume that he would have averaged 50MPG in a Prius (we cannot know for sure, but for argument’s sake), I think we agree that the Prius would have burned more gas, but used less energy (per the numbers – electricity included) than the Volt.

    3. OppChg says:

      It is NOT the same as a Prius from an efficiency stand point. I am a Prius owner too so I know both cars well. He is still reducing gasoline consumption OVER A PRIUS, apples to apples. For some, that has value enough, and imagine if the electric miles are coming from a clean(er) source than gasoline @ 50 mpg (as mine are, 100% renewable). But efficiency aside, who wants to drive a Prius 4 hours a day when they could drive a Volt? What you say about the “up and down hills the Prius is not as obnoxious as the Volt” is simply not true, the Prius is MUCH more obnoxious under hard acceleration both in noise and the jerkiness/lack of instant power/ride. I think you are confused and letting your ears trick your brain, because the Prius revs when you you tell to (torque-based need) – the Volt revs when IT needs to (SOC based-need). There is really no comparison in terms of driving experience, and that’s not just my opinion, its the opinion of MANY professional car reviewers. Also consider the reality that (unlike the Prius) the Volt engine can never actually “strain” to its limit because under maximum acceleration demand, it actually disconnects from the drive train and the Volt goes into (one)electric motor mode.

      1. GeorgeS says:

        It depends on the route and length. IMO after having both cars is that on a 5% grade the Volt’s ICE is more noise and revs higher. I have both cars. If I have to drive to Phx from TB the elevation change is around 1400′. On the up hill climbs the Volt is less pleasant. (in RE mode)

        1. OppChg says:

          How does the sound of a Volt going up a 5% grade compare to your Prius when the Volt is in battery mode? How about in Mountain Mode after come down a steep hill right before (so at SOC greater than required?) My point is, the cars operate very differently, so a blanket statement about one being more “obnoxious” sounding or “strained” in a particular scenario is not really much of a useful comparison, particular as I stated, it’s not possible for the Volt’s engine to “strain” so the term is your perception not a reality; the Prius however strains to it limit of power (and gets like 12 mpg) EVERY TIME you try to accelerate hard.

          But to your other point, yeah, in non-stop trips over 150 miles (a little longer than Erick’s one-way commute), I’d take my Prius too. But even on a 1000 mile 4 day trip, my Volt beat my Prius because of all the convenient opportunity charges.

        2. Sully says:

          The Volt’s BOSE stereo is better so it more than compensates for the increased revving noise. 😉

        3. pjkPA says:

          I have a 21 mile commute here in PA.. I routinely daily go up hills a lot more than 5% and hear no noise from the motor or generator.. the generator only comes on longer trips which are very few. I would say 90% of the commutes in the Pittsburgh area are less than 30 miles… the generator very seldom comes on and it’s worth having it when you need it.. no range anxiety. To me the Volt is the best commuter car and the best engineered car.

        4. ModernMarvelFan says:

          The Volt with hold mode and mountain mode can easily handle any major mountains.

          I have done it in Sierra Nevada which extends to 9,000 ft. The Volt did just fine as long as you have enough buffer. If you empty the reserve and then drive in RE mode, then its engine will scream a bit.

          But Prius does the same.

          Also, ANYONE who has driven the Prius and Volt back to back knows that Prius driving dynamic doesn’t even come close…

          Especially in braking and handling.

    4. Bloggin says:

      It’s amazing what a thermal protected plug-in battery can do long term. 146,000 miles with zero capacity loss.

      Compared with the Leaf at 24% loss at 40k miles.

      1. Brian says:

        I’m still not convinced that no range loss means no capacity loss. The Volt is only using ~2/3 of the battery capacity in the first place. We don’t know if there is some hand waving going on in the car’s computer to mask the capacity loss.

        If the capacity is dropping (I find it hard to believe it isn’t), then many Volt drivers may be in for a surprise when suddenly their range starts dropping.

        1. pjkPA says:

          I’ve had my Volt for about 15 months and have not noticed any range loss… in fact I think it may have gone up a little. Last year the lowest range was 29miles in the morning in this colder winter the lowest was 30. Insignificant but not lower. Could be the car is “breaking in” and has a little less friction resistance.

          1. ClarksonCote says:

            Yes, everything points to no capacity loss, or at least no discernable loss (which should be what really matters).

            I don’t think anyone is in for a surprise. OnStar has metrics to report the health of the batteries to GM, and reports have said they’re very impressed at how well everything’s holding up, far exceeding their expectations.

            Leading chemists (not affiliated with GM) have also said that a Volt battery could last even 15 or 20 years without much issue.

            It’s amazing what thermal management can do to help keep a battery happy. 🙂

            1. Brian says:

              I agree, Mr. Cote, that ultimately it is the range that matters and not the capacity. What I was getting at is that there could be capacity loss in the battery that isn’t manifested as range loss. We know that if you treat Lithium batteries as well as you can – charge them to 30%, keep them at room temperature and leave them on a shelf – that they will lose capacity over time.

              As for the OnStar data, count me as a GM skeptic – neither a hater nor a fan – and I don’t really take everything they say for granted. Also, “better than expected” could mean that the batteries only lose 8% / year, not 10% (numbers are 100% fabricated, but hopefully you get my point).

              As for the Leaf, I can tell you with some certainty that I have lost about 12% capacity in two years. However, I cannot say with any certainty that I have lost 12% range. Unlike a Volt, a Leaf cannot easily be pushed to the limit. It’s simply harder to know, and with the variation between seasons or even simply driving on the highway versus surface streets, quite frankly 12% is in the noise…

              1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                You are right on that and I agree.

                However, one thing to point out is that Volt uses about 64% of the total capacity and with margins on both end. Let us assume it is 5% on both end (to prevent full and over draining). If a Volt loses more than 26% in capacity, then owners would notice for sure. We know that nobody has seen that. And there are already LEAF that lose more than 26% of their capacity.

                Also, 5% of 16.5KWh is about 0.825KWh. That is NOT much of “margin”. I know that my Volt get that much regen everyday after it is charged to full (I work on a big hill).

                So, you are right that we don’t know for sure how much Volt battery degrades. But we do know that it is NOT nearly as bad as those LEAF battery with heat induced accelerated loss.

                1. Brian says:

                  On the topic of the Leaf, one would have to be insane to argue that TMS would not have helped those Leafs in hotter climates. There are several studies that have affirmed that it is almost entirely heat that is responsible for Leaf battery degradation – not QC (except insofar as it heats up the battery), mileage, or age. I live in a cold climate, and have lost 12% (according to Leaf Spy) in two years. A Volt could theoretically have lost that same 12% and be showing zero loss in AER.

                  Although I say that I live in a “cold” climate, it is not as if it never gets hot here. Last spring, I started with about 3% loss. By the fall, I was down to about 11%. This spring I’m at about 12%. It seems pretty clear that the majority of my battery losses happen when it’s 90+ degrees outside and I’m parked over pavement that’s been baking in the sun. Even I would likely have benefited from a TMS in the Leaf, although I have mixed feelings about the cost/benefit tradeoff for me (a system like that certainly doesn’t come for free).

              2. ModernMarvelFan says:

                Volt does display KWh consumed for each charging session so owners can easily monitor if the battery still allows 10.5KWh of discharging range (~10KWh for the older 2011/2012 models).

        2. Bill Howland says:

          Yeah, But Brian the point is that the car is exceptional, even at 149,000 miles. Sure, when he hits 300,000 miles the car’s age will be showing, its a pretty low cost vehicle and the point is, people are very happy with it.

          I would not be surprised at similar experiences with the ELR.

          I just hope they don’t cheapen my very nice 2011 volt for 2016. I’m Sorry that Lutz isn’t around. The fact that the Volt is as nice as it is and has such a great electric range as it does I’m sure is absolutely due to him. Every other major manufacturer of a plug-in hybrid thinks 15 or 20 miles on electricity only is HUGE. Lutz must have insisted on 40, as he no doubt does at VIA, where the huge trucks get at least 40 miles.

          As an example of stagnation in this industry, Musk is riding high simply because no other manufacturer will take off the shelf existing, and in some ways even dated technology such as the model S has with old fashioned LI batteries (at this point), and an over 100 year old style induction motor, and is considered the best electric car ever made.

          The Volt and ELR are much harder to get working right since you have all that extra stuff. But its uncanny that no other manufacturer is even attempting to compete with Musk, and as stated, absolutely no new technology is needed, unless you consider a superbright iphone to be an innovation, which I do not.

          But the point is, the model S is 2 years old now, Tesla’s stock price is a moonshot, and absolutely none of the ‘stick in the muds’ are even considering making an attempt at competing with him head to head. So this is why Tesla’s vehicle prices only go UP. If you’re the only kid on the block, there’s no one else to compete with your sandbox.

          1. Brian says:

            Hi Bill,

            I tried to make it clear that I am just as impressed with the Volt as anyone here. It truly is remarkable that this gentleman has nearly hit 150,000 miles with zero loss of AER. However, I was replying directly to Bloggin’s comment that there has been zero capacity loss. These are two different issues.

            I will also add that the Volt is still a relatively young car (the oldest privately owned Volt has been on the road for less than 3 1/2 years). There will be calendar losses in the battery as well as temperature / cycle losses. I’m curious as to what we will find after 5 or 10 years.

            1. Bill Howland says:

              Yeah, as often happens, we’re saying similiar things in different ways.

              IN other news, your buddy Clarkson says I’m making a mistake getting 2 4kw inverters. They’re warranted for only 10 years, but seeing as they’re German and in a cool basement, I’d think I’d get more years out of them. Clarkson says they die much sooner than that, but I had heard the enigma with Microinverters is they are warranted for 25 years, same as the solar panels, but some companies I’ve talked to said they’ve been replacing them after not even 3 years. Also, I’d think that once they’re on the roof, they’re a pain to get to. Also, the snow degredation issue.
              My particular installation looks to be 4 strings, 2 – 13’s and 2-6’s for a total of 38-240 watt panels.

              Since you’re experienced in these things, what say you?
              Thanks

              1. Brian says:

                Hi Bill,

                Honestly, I am not sure about the longevity of either type of inverter. As an engineer, I always hesitate to trust claims of longevity on products that are only a few years old. Accelerated stress tests are proven unreliable in predicting the affects of time itself.

                That said, I suspect you will have few (if any) problems with your inverters located in a cool basement. I hear what you’re saying about the microinverters being more exposed to the elements, and harder to reach. I personally have a good amount of shading to deal with, so microinverters help me year-round. I also plan on expanding my system as a DIY project in the future, and microinverters help there as well.

                As for snow, well yes there are times when Mr. Cote’s panels are partly covered by snow. But if we are honest with ourselves, that would only add up to maybe tens of kWh per year (adding up to at most $5). Most of the year they are either completely covered or completely clear. We know because the Enphase systems we have report each panel’s production.

                One more thing to point out – manufacturing differences. With a single inverter you are basically limited to the worst-performing panel in the string. With microinverters, each panel can produce to its full potential. I have looked at a couple of friends’ systems on a clear sunny day, and it seems manufacturing tolerances are about 10%. So on average, you might expect a 5% boost from microinverters.

                Overall, we are talking about a small percentage difference. I would expect that the microinverter/single inverter systems would only differ by about 5-10%. Ultimately you should go with what you’re comfortable with.

                1. Bill Howland says:

                  As always, an excellent analysis of the entire Solar Industry! hehe.

                  I’m going the Low-Tech route here since 9120 watts for a basic system price of $28,200 makes my outlay $19,080 before state and federal tax credits, which means $10,494 credits for an out of pocket cost to me really of $8,586, so under a $ a watt. As mentioned I saved a good chunk of cash by doing the AC work myself, and convincing Solar Companies ‘We are going to use the existing electricals (100 amp svc), which work just fine’.

                  So agreed, I expect a 5 – 10 % loss over an ideal system, but Its cheap to install, and I’m more concerned with overall cash flow than some idylic high efficiency. The one point I’ll grant is that I have been BAD in selecting Chinese panels over American ones made a few miles away, but then I’m in the same boat as everyone else who shops at WallMart (ChinaMart)

            2. Clarksoncote says:

              To me it is sort of symantecs though. Why? Because the Volt is has the most “babied” battery out there in terms of how GM takes care of it. Active heating, active cooling, large charge buffers on both ends, etc.

              If Volt owners end up experiencing any discernable loss in capacity, it will still be less than what an owner of any other electric vehicle would see under the same conditions, with present battery technology. Again, simply because of how much the Volt takes care of managing its battery.

              So to your original statement, “If the capacity is dropping (I find it hard to believe it isn’t), then many Volt drivers may be in for a surprise when suddenly their range starts dropping.” If we assume that happens, if Volt owners are in for any surprise, every other plug-in owner will have a much greater surprise.

              Instead, I’ll choose to remain an optimist that the Volt owners will not be in for any sort of “surprise” and neither will the majority of other plug-in owners. 😉

        3. danwat1234 says:

          I have contacted the Chevrolet Volt official Facebook page and they say that there is no hand waving going on, as in SOC does not expand as the battery ages to mask the capacity reduction (the capacity reduction is not masked).
          But they could have been lying to me who knows.

  3. Anthony says:

    Its good to know that the first gen Volt seems to be built really well – belt and suspenders. In the long run, the only question I have is if we’ll be able to buy better batteries (maybe not from GM, but after market?) that provide better range. It may be difficult given the custom form factor of the prismatic cells vs. 18650s.

  4. MrEnergyCzar says:

    He’s ranked 6th in total EV miles on Voltstats. Who had the most EV miles and is there any noticeable range loss?

    MrEnergyCzar

  5. JimStan says:

    The average commute in the US is 32 miles round trip. That means that the Volt can be used on electricity alone for the vast majority of miles, for the vast majority of drivers. The Prius cannot do that, or at least not yet. On top of that, if more range is required the Volt can go another 350 miles on gas as it charges the battery to drive the electric motor. The Prius plug-in is not yet available in even half the states., and can only go 11 miles in electric mode! They just announced a $5000 drop in the price for the 2014 Volt, so when combined with the $7500 tax-credit savings it is a very cost-effective purchase. The Prius plug-in only qualifies for a $2500 tax-credit.

  6. Puddin says:

    My first car was a 2003 monte carlo Ls, ive had that car for over 10 years and um still driving it. it now has atleast 390,000. miles on it. No major problems just replacements is all it needed and a little TLC every 3000 miles. I actually just bought another Chevy a 2007 Monte carlo SS. my Fav. She rides like a bat out a hell. Chevy does amazing with their vehicles. KEEP UP THE GOOD HARD WORK CHEVROLET!!!!!!!

    1. Aaron says:

      I don’t miss the 3000 mile TLC of my ICE vehicle.

    2. Brian says:

      When you say “just replacements”, what are you talking about replacing? There is a significant difference between an oil change and replacing an alternator for example…

      Still, 390,000 miles is very impressive. My first car was a Honda Prelude Si (which I loved dearly), but once I got past 200,000 miles I was putting $1000 of repairs into the car every year. Of course it doesn’t help that I live in snow country and most of those repairs were rust related (exhaust system, suspension and brakes, etc).

  7. James B. says:

    You are all wrong… 😉

    Ford Fusion hybrid gets 47 MPG and in better comfort (and style?) than a Prius. One imagines no matter what car he’d drive he would getting than the rated miles.

    I have a Fusion Energi as my one way trip commute is 19.2 miles where I charge at work. If I couldn’t then I’d look at the Fusion Hybrid next. I tried a Volt and the Prius and wasn’t a fan of the Cruze… just me.

    1. Nate says:

      Congrats on your Fusion that is a good looking car. Some people like having a special look, but I like having some plug-in options that look exactly like regular cars.

      The Energi models are a great option and will save the typical driver a ton of fuel. It sounds like you have a consistent pattern on the weekdays and the at work charging works out well. So, on a typical workday is your commute 100% EV or is the Fusion driving in mixed mode under acceleration? If so, that is pretty cool. I’d heard the C-Max Energi is in mixed mode unless you put it in a special EV mode that was slower, but I don’t know if that is true (and if so is the case for the Fusion).

      For my crew, the longer EV range is helpful and I love that as long as you have some battery charge left you’ll get full performance and it will be all EV and not a mixed mode. Our Volt has a more sporadic driving pattern and we can’t count on the daytime charging opportunities because it is out and about a variety of places. It is working out pretty well for us..
      http://www.voltstats.net/Stats/Details/3613

      No gas used for the last 965 miles, as of yesterday:)

      1. Sharkvolt says:

        I don’t believe any Prius could get anywhere near 50 MPG while climbing hills. Probably closer to 20 mpg.

        I know because I have made numerous trips from Fresno to L.A. over the “Grapevine” hill. And my Volt, which otherwise averages over 40 mpg on gas, “only” gets about 33 mpg on those trips, with the cruise control set to 75 mph. The mph never dropped below 74 mph, by the way, on what I believe is an 8% grade. And I don’t remember ANY “straining” from the engine.

        I doubt the Prius could even climb the “Grapevine” at a steady 75 mph. Very few cars can, according to my experience.

        1. qwerty says:

          You must be blind because there are Prius’s driving back and forth all the time on the Grapvine.

          1. ModernMarvelFan says:

            He said at 75mph uphill… Not in the right lanes…

    2. ModernMarvelFan says:

      “I tried a Volt and the Prius and wasn’t a fan of the Cruze… just me”

      Are you calling the Volt a “Cruze”?

      Then it is just “you”… Idiot.

    3. danwat1234 says:

      The real world MPG of the Fusion is about 41MPG, not 47MPG according to fuelly_com and fueleconomy_org. They should change the EPA sticker to be more accurate but they haven’t. Same thing with the Lincoln MKZ hybrid based of the Fusion.

  8. pjkPA says:

    Eric .. I know how you feel .. I’m also a Chevy volt owner 2013 bought Dec 2012.. paid $22,900 before they lower the price $5K.
    I only have 11,000 hard city miles on my Volt and still can’t believe I’ve only been to a gas station once since I bought it. One trip to the dealer to have the tires rotated.. that’s it. Total maint. electric and gas for a year was less than $275. The ride, looks, smooth powerful acceleration is totally amazing.. I still look forward to driving my Volt as if it was my first car! I’ve been buying cars and trucks for over 40years and have to say by far the Volt is the most enjoyable. I love my V8’s the smooth power.. but they don’t come close to the Volts quiet smooth acceleration.. literally no noise from the engine or driveline.

  9. George Parrott says:

    We are on our second Volt after turning in our 2011 at end of lease, we left with a 2014 model at MUCH MUCH less recurring cost. The 2014 lease is about $145/month LESS than the 2011 AND we got $1500 California rebate in cash and another $500 from Costco as a VISA debit card for using their “buying service.”

    Yes, we are VERY impressed with the Volt drivetrain. OTOH, our other car in the garage is a…….2013 Tesla Model S, and THAT has so, so, so much “smooth power” it is just mind boggling and with the Tesla Supercharger network the Model S is now our “road/distance car.”

  10. qwerty says:

    If he drove the daily ~240 in a Prius, he would’ve sucked far less gas than the volt and paid less for the car.

    1. ModernMarvelFan says:

      240 miles per day on a 50mpg Prius uses about 4.8 gallons.

      240 miles per day on a Volt with a full charge and 40 miles EV range in 1 charge only. Then it would be 5 gallons. The difference is only 0.2 gallon.

      240 miles per day on a Volt with 2 full charges, it would be 80 miles EV range, then the Volt would only use 4 gallons or 0.8 gallons LESS than Prius.

      “he would’ve sucked far less gas”

      So I don’t know where you get your idea of “far less gas” from unless you think 0.2 gallon is “far less”.

      Don’t exaggerate and it will only make you look silly.

    2. ModernMarvelFan says:

      In addition, he explained that he drove 146K miles and about 52734 miles were electric.

      So, assume his figure of 240 miles per day, that would be 609 days of driving.

      If 52,734 miles were electric, then daily average EV miles is about 86 miles which means that he charges more than once per day on average. That would mean the VOLT uses FAR LESS GAS than the Prius.

      Now, let us the do the math this way.

      146K miles @ 50mpg for Prius is about 2920 gallon of gas.

      146K miles with 52734 EV miles would be 93266 gas miles, @ 40mpg for Volt would be 2332 gallon, @35mpg for Volt would be 2665 gallons.

      So, Volt would save at least 255 more gallons of gas in comparison to the Prius.

      Qwerty, Learn to do some math before you show the world that you are completely clueless..

      1. Brian says:

        You could have made your point much more easily. In fact, it was all discussed above (I guess qwerty doesn’t like to read comments as much as he likes to make ridiculous ones).

        The lifetime MPG is shown as 54.1. That means what it sounds like – lifetime miles divided by gallons of gas (ignoring electricity use). While he may or may not have used less total ENERGY in a Prius, he would have had to average over 54.1MPG to use less GASOLINE. That’s not impossible, but it’s not the norm either. And yes, there’s no way it would add up to “far less gas”.

        1. ModernMarvelFan says:

          I did that on purpose.

          Even if he chooses NOT to read other comments or read the display, he could have “logically” deduct the actual gasoline usage by doing some basic math.

          This just shows that by making his “silly comment”, he is either NOT capable of doing so or chooses NOT to do it.

          1. Rick says:

            Still, there’s no need to ridicule him and call him names. That says more about you than about him.

            1. ModernMarvelFan says:

              Calling him “clueless” is “calling names”? The math shows exactly what it is.

              If that is the case, then I should “label” him as a lier then.

              B/c he lied with his statement and this is NOT the first time.

              What it says about me is the fact that I don’t have respect for those people who lies or made up stuff to bash a product.

              If you are willing to defend that type of action, then it also says something about you as well.

            2. Raymondjram says:

              “ModernMarvelFan” didn’t call “qwerty” any names. He just wrote that his comments are silly, which is true. Anyway “qwerty” insulted himself just as silly by typing the first five letters for a name.