Chevrolet Bolt EV Sales Strengthen Slightly In June, Chevy Volt Lower

JUL 3 2017 BY JAY COLE 125

General Motors announces Tuesday, June 13, 2017, the company has completed production of 130 Chevrolet Bolt EV test vehicles equipped with its next generation of self-driving technology at its Orion Assembly Plant in Orion Township, Michigan.

As the Chevrolet Bolt EV reaches more and more US states, and as inventory deepens in those states, sales have, not unexpectedly, risen.  However, not at the rate we would have hoped.

A Chevrolet Bolt EV “takes one for the team” and receives “top marks” for IIHS Safety – watch crash videos here

June marked the 5th consecutive month of gains for the 238 mile EV from GM, selling 1,642 copies during the month – a new high (1,566 sold in May was the mark to beat).

For the year, 7,592 Bolts have now been sold, making the Chevy the 5th best selling plug-in for the US.

With that said, GM has clearly overshot its demand estimate for the Bolt EV in the early release/CARB-tastic states, and is now approaching 6,000 odd units in dealer stock (frustrating the rest of the world and the 36 other states who are still looking for any supply at all).

To that end, GM bumped up its nationwide delivery timelines, and started taking orders US-wide on June 1st, with the first deliveries to those states expected in early August.

How will the rest of the country, starved for wider, more capable EV offerings take to the Bolt EV?  Pretty strongly we imagine.  We would not be shocked to see 4 digit numbers starting with a “3” by the time the kids go back to school in September.

As for “end of model year” madness…there isn’t any. With the late start to the 2017 model year, GM won’t be kicking of 2018 Bolt EV production in Orion until December 18th, 2017.  No changes of significance are expected.

We should note that the Bolt did manage outsell the “other” new volume plug-in offering to hit the market for the first time the year – the Toyota Prius Prime, which sold some 1,619.  We should also note that the average inventory of the Prime on US dealer lots in the US was about 1/10th that of the Chevy however (averaging a little under 700 units by our estimates).

Video (below): Check out 1 of 130 autonomous Chevy Bolt EVs getting assembled in Orion, Michigan in June (more details here)

As for the Chevrolet Volt, it enters its 79th month of availability on the US market (now in 2nd generation trim), and as one might expect…it has just about found its level.

After selling around 1,800 units in 3 of the past four months (2,132 in the other – March), the Volt sold about the same in June – 1,745 copies.

However, we should note that this month’s result was off 10% from a year ago (1,937) – dropping the Volt out of the #1 best selling plug-in spot in America after 6 months (just behind the Tesla Model S).   

Next month, the comps get even harder, with 2,406 sold in July of 2016. Hopefully GM has its selling shoes on, to both best the month, and to retake the overall sales lead in the US.

Year to date, 1,745 have now been moved, good for a 11% gain over the 9,808 sold through the first six months of 2016.

2018 model year production kicks off in Hamtramck, Michigan on July 10th, 2017 – and is mostly unchanged/uneventful (full details), that is unless your favorite color is “Green Mist Metallic”…if so, then this is your lucky day!  If you like a leather-wrapped steering wheel, it’ll cost you $460 more.

Despite the 2018 model year so close upon us, the amount of 2017 Volt inventory is still near a 2nd generational high at almost 4,500 units – which makes us believe there is going to be some sharp deals from GM on the 53 mile extended range car this Summer!

Rounding out GM’s electrified sales:  Cadillac CT6 PHV – 20, Cadillac ELR – 7 sales, Chevy Spark EV – 1 sale

That leather wrapped Volt steering wheel will set you back an extra $460 this Fall

Updated: July 3rd, 2017 – 11:25 AM (ET)  – added “other” GM plug-in sales

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Good to see sales continue to climb! Texas officially got its first few Bolts right at the end of the month. I picked mine up right before closing on the 30th!

The dealer has about 40 more on the way over the next few weeks, half of which are already spoken for. So i think we can expect a nice little rise in the numbers for july and august.

Congrats! What part of Texas are you in? And who is the dealer?

Dallas, TX! I bought from Classic Chevrolet since they have an entire building dedicated to plug-ins and Hybrids. Mostly Bolts and Volts and Malibus… but they also have the Silverado eAssist hybrid. (And now they have my Spark EV trade.)

If you’re in DFW, I recommend Classic Chevrolet or Stonebriar Chevrolet. They have been the most EV friendly and knowlegable from my experience. 🙂

Hey Wade, congrats on your Bolt.
I know I’m off topic, but what kind of battery degradation did you see in your Spark? If any.
Used ’14 and ’15 Sparks are starting to show up in Boise at better prices than used Leafs. Thanks!

Thanks!! My Bolt has been awesome! As for Spark degredation, in my case none at all. The morning I dropped it off I had 92 mile range when I left home. During the winter I would get about a 75 mile estimate. I drive about 70% city miles and the car had less than 15k miles total.

If you are concerned, I would suggest getting a Spark EV at or below 20k miles.

I would also make sure the dealer gives you a complete charge so you can at least see what the range estimator has to say. A spark EV should not have nearly as much degredation as an early Nissan Leaf.

Spark EV was a great car. Really fun to drive… Go give it a test drive! You’ll love it!

My 2015 SparkEV shows about 6% (about 1 kWh) degradation after 2.25 years and 22K miles. Someone in forum reported 3 kWh degradation with his 2014 after 70K miles (from 19 kWh to 16 kWh). But be prepared for the worst case, which is 35% degradation after 8 years/100K miles since the car was sold; that’s the warranty. I doubt many SparkEV will degrade enough to trigger the warranty.

But if you’re in Boise, do they have DCFC? That’s what makes SparkEV extra special; on top of great acceleration, it has the quickest charging to 80% of any EV.

Thanks for jumping in Spark. I wanted to hear what your experience has been, too.

I get the sense that the battery in the Spark will hold up over the years better than in the Leaf. Thank you thermal management? I also know used Leaf owners who are pleased with the performance of their older batteries.
So the biggest drawback for me in Boise is the current lack of DCFC (CHAdeMO and Tesla only) and the 3.3kW onboard charger. That seriously limits pushing the boundaries of day trips without spending the night at an RV campground.

3.3 kW isn’s so bad considering it charges to full in 6 hours (vs 4 hours for Leaf), thanks to smaller battery than Leaf. SparkEV gets better efficiency than any EV, so miles added is what you’re after.

Using 3 kW as charging power and 5.3 mi/kWh that I’m seeing on average (or 5.9 mi/kWh in my recent 144 miles trip), that’s about 16 to 18 miles per hour of charging using L2 (vs about 28 miles for 6 kW Leaf). An hour lunch could get you half way across a city.

But in winter of frozen tundra of Idaho, that may drop to half.

Yeah, if there is no CCS charging in your area and you expect to make trips longer than 60 miles a day on a regular basis, the car may not work for you. Same with the leaf if you will have to drive out of your way to get to a CHAdeMO charging station. A used PHEV like a Volt or c-Max Energi might work better for you until your local infrastructure improves.

But if you only rarely travel more than 60 miles a day, the Spark EV (or leaf) will be great. Then, you can get a rental car for those occasional long trips.

Outselling the Prime is impressive for something that costs 50-100% more.

For my needs, the Bolt is a better choice: more space (my head doesn’t hit the roof), seats 5, faster, and no dino-juice required (52 mile commute — 20 mile range just won’t cut it).

Popcorn ready to see how well the M3 sells. Downmarket products rarely outsell the upmarket version (iPhone C anyone?). Stripping out content usually doesn’t make for a more compelling product.

I think the model 3 will do very well!

While from a feature/size comparison standpoint the iPhone c is apt… the difference between a $70,000 car is vast. Whereas justifying an extra $200-$300 for the higher priced iphone is easier to manage.

Overall well done beating the prime however Toyota is also producing more of these in Japan…You state that “Downmarket products rarely outsell the upmarket version (iPhone C anyone?)”…Lets use an actual analogy based on cars…True or false:
BMW 7 series outsells the 3 series?
MB S-Class outsells the C-Class?
Audi A7 outsells the A3?

The comparison to the iPhone 5c is a bad example. While not surpassing the more premium iPhone sales, it did surpass all Windows phone sales, and all Android flagships sales at the time (including the flagships at the same price range). Also the 5c had a better profit margin than the iPhone 5 it was meant to replace.

The media loves to say an Apple product is a failure when it does not sale in the hundredth of millions. But as soon as you compare it to the competition, you are hardly pressed to call it anything but a success.

Musk’s most recent guidance sees Model 3 outsell Bolt even this year, despite Bolt’s 7 month head start.

Trust me this is not even going to be a competition and this was not a good time to buy a Bolt as that car will have to be discounted heavily to stay competitive with Model 3.

“heavy discounting to stay competitive”? GM could lower the Bolt’s MSRP to $19,995 and it still wouldn’t be as competitive with the M3…GM took a phenomenal drivetrain and put into a weak selling segment, put their lowest tier badge on it (imagine if it was a Caddy?) and didn’t do it any favors with making the styling “geeky”…Overwhelming majority of the Bolt buyers already owned other “green” vehicles…Tesla is trying to get the guy who is about to turn in their ICE BMW 3 series lease….

Could not agree more!
I was at a dealer yesterday looking for a Volt and did take a look at the Bolt. To my surprise, this car looks worse than the prime and really doesn’t stand against the Volt. What a droky looking car! I refuse to believe that GM didn’t have or couldn’t come up with a better design for this car.

Are you serious? At $13000 after incentives a 200+ mile EV would fly off the lot. It would blow Model 3 sales away if the inventory was there. The problem of course is the GM couldn’t produce the Bolt profitably at that price. Still people need to stop being ridiculous in their praise for Tesla.

You could offer a $9995 Silverado with 200 miles of range and people would happily pass over it to pay $40K for an ICE V8….

Bruce, what do you mean by “Outselling the Prime is impressive for something that costs 50-100% more.” ?
The Bolt MSRP is $37,500 and the Prius Prime MSRP is $27,985. So the Bolt is 33% more expensive than the Prime if you ignore the credit and just 20% more than the Prime after the credit is accounted for.
Maybe you were comparing the net price of the Prime after the credit is accounted for ($24k) to the MSRP of the Bolt before the credit is accounted for? ($37.5k)

The net price of the Bolt and the Prime are around $30k and $24k after credit, respectively. I am not a huge fan of the Bolt look but it is a much nicer car than the Prime. But the Prime is still a very impressive engineering achievement and it is a much better car the the Prii that came before it.

Toyota sold 4 or 5 times as many Prius Prime as the Bolt in June. They launched globally all at once which constrains supply. There were over 5000 PP sold in Japan alone this month.

The PriPri may end up selling better in Japan than in the US. Its US inventory has been pretty stable over the past couple months but sales are dropping. It is a respectable engineering achievement and I hear that it is more fun to drive than previous Prii, but I would still take a Volt over the PriPri, any day, as would most of the writers at the car magazines. It may be efficient, but it is still a fairly boring car to drive.
Being more exciting to drive than a Prius liftback is a pretty low bar to beat.

“Downmarket products rarely outsell the upmarket version (iPhone C anyone?). Stripping out content usually doesn’t make for a more compelling product.”

Model 3 with AWD, 70kWh (280 miles), Autopilot, Autonomous is not stripped down. Most would consider it a smaller version of the Model S despite Musks protests to the contrary. All the status and performance of a $100K car for $60K. That’s what will sell.

Come 2020, that’s what I’ll buy from whoever is making it. US made (Chevy, Ford or Tesla) preferably.

Is there any way to participate in the autonomous testing? I would be interested.

Sure is, become an engineer and apply to work for Cruze Automation…

The Volt and Leaf have each done 2K, in June, in years past. I fully expect the Bolt to do 2K next June. I ride my electric assist bikes all over central Virginia, and talk to average Americans about the technology at cafes, bicycle and motorcycle shops, and car dealerships I visit. Outside Wall Street, and the EV press, interest in EVs is basically nonexistent. The folks I meet, who consider themselves environmentalists, don’t see cars of any kind as positive for the environment…or their image.

Just bought our bolt over the weekend. Weak June sales in Maryland reflect to some extent the fact that money for the State tax rebate was used up. However, it was reinstated on July 1st 2017. Many Marylanders were waiting, like we did, for reinstatement of the state tax credit , to make the purchase. Got a fully loaded premier trim Bolt for significantly less than MSRP. Not sure if lack of funds for the state rebate was an issue in any other state. Look forward to July numbers!

“Many Marylanders were waiting”…How many do you realistically think “many” is? 50? 100?

The latter would’ve nearly brought parity with Volt sales, so it’s not completely insignificant.


I cannot read the text under the photo of the blue Chevrolet Volt.

Please do something about that.


Chevrolet built a good EV at a decent price but the finance companies and the dealers appear more interested in maximizing profit off of every single Bolt EV than in selling the Bolt EV in volume. The finance companies for the most part are pocketing the $7,500 federal tax credit available for EVERY Bolt EV. While some dealers are running discounts on Bolt EVs many are playing bait and switch games and quite a few are still charging over MSRP. I tried to work out Bolt EV deals with a half dozen dealerships. I got close a couple of times then there was a last minute adjustment that kicked the price up a couple of grand. Even on used Bolt EVs dealerships are pocketing the tax credit and charging almost MSRP. The last straw for me was when the local Texas Chevrolet dealers started listing Bolt EVs over MSRP. The 2017 Ford Focus Electric may not be the car that the Bolt EV or the Tesla Model 3 is but Ford dealers and financing companies have put some real value into pricing of the FFE. Not only can you get a 2017 FFE with power leather seats for under $31,000,… Read more »

It sounds like the Tesla Model 3 will slaughter these Texas car dealerships that their only defense will be to ask the Texas state government to pass a monkey rule to protect the car dealers from the ravages of Tesla.

The funny thing is, in terms of total lease cost vs MSRP (oversimplification, how much the lender kicks in to subsidize the lease) Tesla’s are notoriously bad while GM and in particular with PHEVs/EVs have been highly subsidized…But expect the M3 lease to be hundreds more a month vs a Bolt…

Not helping matters is the fact the state of TX (and VA) screw you tax wise (compared to the other states) when it comes to leasing…

It’s not a Texas problem. I dealt with dealers from Washington state to Maryland and ran into similar problems everywhere. Since you still can’t buy a Model 3, I think your reference to the Model 3 is pointless.

Yep. Too bad you are having such a poor experience. Maybe when they get more copies out, or when the next model year comes out, you can get a deal.

This is the franchise dealership model…The best advice for you is to simply wait it out, inventory will continue to pile up and in a few months you’ll be getting thousands off…

I spend a lot of time of leasing deal sites, money is very subjective and is the number one cause of divorce, why lenders do not seem to understand PHEV/EV customers NEED to see they are getting at least the “full $7500 tax credit” as an incentive is beyond me…Leases have many pieces and the bottom line is receiving the lowest overall lease cost…GMF choose to increase the residual which does result in thousands off the total lease cost but it’s not as visual as the “full tax credit”…

Bacardi said:
“…GMF choose to increase the residual which does result in thousands off the total lease cost but it’s not as visual as the “full tax credit”… ”

I’ve run across that pricing rationale too. Here’s why I think it’s a smoke screen:

Most everyone knew, in the early EV days, that these 80+ mi. cars would be obsolete as soon as they came off lease. Why? The widespread expectation that better range on new models would kill the value of used EVs 3 years down the road.

Fast forward to the new Bolt era. Suddenly, guess what: Range is up by x2.5 and a lease-end Bolt turn-in is a much more compelling and usable used-car proposition.

So, we should EXPECT a higher residual on the Bolt – with or without the dealer snatching back $5000 – $7500 of tax rebate.

My leasing position: NO DEAL till I can see $7500 rebate + a dealer incentive + high residual (and decent money factor).

In fact, purchase may be the better option (unlike the early EV days).

Yeah, I agree with everything except that purchase is the better option…It’s very rare nowadays that someone buys a brand new car and drives it into the ground; those drive in the ground people often tend to purchase an used vehicle which is often an off lease model which is often still in the bumper to bumper warranty window…

GMF does offer some standard leasing items…All you need to qualify for a top tier money factor is 620 credit score…Reports are that some were able to lease a GM vehicle without a cosigner with a sub 600 credit score…Additionally even the “one pay lease” discount is a factor in leasing…

That is too bad! What dealer was marking them up? The price I was given matched my online build exactly. ( But it does include the destination charges that add about 800.) The dealer I bought from doesn’t seem to have any base models in stock, however. All have the CCS charger at a minimum. So a base Bolt would need to be special ordered probably.

If you are happy with the 2017 Focus EV then go for it! I loved my Spark EV too. But if the Bolt is better for you in the long run, I would say just wait a few months. Youll start seeing discounts.

Sorry you couldn’t wait a bit longer. The dealers take what they can get. With the car only being out a week in your area you’re more likely to see gouging than discounts.

In a month or two you’d have been able to pick up a Bolt at a handy discount.

But if you can’t wait then you just take the best deal you can get at the time and it seems like you got a pretty good deal on the FFE.

I got a 2017 FFE for 40% of MSRP. If I could get a Bolt EV with less 10,000 miles and leather seats for 40% of MSRP I would jump on it in a heart beat. I might be a while before I can get as sweet a deal on a Bolt EV and until then I will be enjoying 115 mile range and fast charging capabilities of my 2017 FFE.

Yes, other manufacturers are competing on price. I wanted a Bolt EV also, but in the end the price wasn’t right. I ended up with an e-Golf lease for half the price. I’ve still got a Model 3 reservation, so I may end up with one of those, or I’ll hold off for a used Bolt off lease in 3 years.

“The last straw for me was when the local Texas Chevrolet dealers started listing Bolt EVs over MSRP.”

Bad for you but good sign for the Bolt since it means they have enough demand to charge more for the car.

Chevy really did a nice job with Bolt. Why they didn’t go with dynamic cruise and power driver seat makes no sense. Bolt driver at the market this morning. His pet peeve was the driver window has auto up/down but not the passenger. Like…why leave out the tech on a high end vehicle being purchased for the tech.

2018 Bolt, AWD, dynamic cruise, power driver seat, 250 mile range. I’d get it.

If you are leasing the Bolt, the leasing company gets the federal tax credit. The leasing company gets to determine how they pass on the tax credit, if at all.

GM in the past has has been passing on $2500 as a Capital Cost Reduction, and then using the remaining $5000 to artificially raise the residual. You are more or less getting the full value of the credit passed on to you, just not up-front in terms of a CCR. Instead you are paying less money because of less depreciation.

Hey Jay, on my computer, the text starting with “After selling around 1,800 units in 3 of the past four months: ends up going under the remaining ads, and I can’t read the rest of the story.

After a few different page refreshes, I can see more text, but some still gets cut off. Looks like others are reporting similar issues above.

As always, thanks Jay! We know you’re super busy during the sales data days. 🙂

As for “end of model year” madness…there isn’t any. With the late start to the 2017 model year, GM won’t be kicking of 2018 Bolt EV production in Orion until December 18th, 2017. No changes of significance are expected.

That’s a missed opportunity because there are several things about the Bolt that can’t wait until Christmas to be addressed. GM is thoroughly squandering the market lead that they had and things won’t be getting any easier now that it’s evident that the TM3 is almost certainly going to be available on-time per schedule.

After seeing the Chevy Bolt at a local car dealership I’m not really impressed with it. I also notice that GM is dragging their feet again about selling this car.

As far as I care once the Tesla model 3 comes out it will be game over for the chevy bolt unless they cut the price again and raise the range.

And the Leaf is coming soon too. Here in Ontario we had an initial allocation of Bolts that were quickly bought up. Now I was in a dealer and he said if I ordered now I would have to wait for a ME 2018 which would show up in March next year. By then the Leaf may have already eaten Chevy’s lunch. Such a shame.

Iagree pricing is the issue. GM will sweeten the deal soon.

They are running nationwide advertising:

and have 6k on inventory, that doesn’t sound like “dragging their feet” to me.

It just seems that people aren’t buying it.

Many mass market people wait until these can be had for less than MSRP. I think
Many dealers are still trying to get MSRP or close to it.

So I’m not ready to write off the Bolt EV just yet. Fleets should also eat this thing up.

Yea it might have more potential than it shows right now, especially if the first factory incentives start trickling in, or dealers get to sick of having unsold Bolts at their dealer lots.

And once the car is fully stocked in all states, sales should also go up, but I don’t think it’s GM dragging it’s feet here. 30k Bolts in the US seems like a very reasonable, if not too high, number.

You mean the styling? Yeah, it sucks. But I like a hatchback’s interior layout better than the Model 3 and you don’t even see the exterior styling while driving it.

Too bad Chevy didn’t aim for a “hot hatch.” If it had killer acceleration and handling then it could potentially lure more Tesla buyers. But that’s the new GM, scared of performance in anything but the dinosaur V8 rwd cars.

It does have killer acceleration. And it has very good handling.

It’s 0.1s slower to 60 than a VW GTI. Doesn’t that sound like a “hot hatch”?

Oh sorry, I think I misread your statement. For hot hatch you are saying styling-wise I guess? I figured you meant performance. It has hot-hatch performance, but in a CUV look.

What exactly makes a “hot hatch”? The VW GTI doesn’t really look any different than the normal Golf, and I’m not sure I’d describe either as being especially sexy (and for the record I own an e-Golf). I actually think the Bolt looks a lot better in terms of exterior styling. The interior of the Golf is pretty nice, definitely a step up from my previous Honda Civic.

“it will be game over for the chevy bolt unless they cut the price again and raise the range.”

Base Bolt with FWD and 238 miles and hatchback beats the base Model 3 with RWD, 220 miles and no hatchback.

Having 6,000 cars in dealer inventory when only 7,600 have sold so far does seem like they’ve got something wrong.

But there’s no glut around me. They are clearly selling at a rapid clip. I see several a day on a weekday (not counting my own) and even on a weekend (when I drive less) I’m more likely than not to see one. I had two people who don’t have EVs and have shown no interest in them in the past look at my car this week with the interest in getting their own. And that’s not counting the person I already helped buy one or my neighbor who came back from talking to another owner to say she didn’t know that my car had the range it did.

They really are selling a bundle of them around here, which is great. And dealers are advertising and discounting them. I wish it were the same situation everywhere else. I really hope GM starts national ad campaigns, or at least strong regional ones in the style of the national ad campaigns.

Unlucky, thanks for the encouraging report. What state are you in?

I’m in California. SF Bay Area. Some stupid figure like 30% of all EVs sold in the US are sold here.

People are (for good reason) complaining about no cars in their area, but for many of them in a week my area will sell more EVs than their entire state will a quarter. GM is smart to keep good supply in this area. But I do feel for those who are looking for units to appear at more than a trickle in their areas.

I would think the Bolt would make a good taxi in San Francisco. Hilly, crowded, compact. I can’t see where a cab would put on more than 200 miles in a day. Maybe I’m wrong.

Uber runs the streets. Most of the cabs are hotel/airport based now.

How about they build Bolts that were ordered here in Canada in January!? Order date of Jan 29th and I’m still sitting here waiting for the f’ing thing to get built. 6000 sitting on dealer lots in the US. GM is out to lunch on their supply and demand strategy.

Remember, ZEV credits are accrued by vehicles produced, not sold…

ZEV credits are not so valuable that anyone is going to make cars they don’t plan on selling. You can buy the credits from California if you fall short at a cheaper price than making a car you don’t plan on selling.

ZEV credits for CARB states is based on ZEV vehicles sold not merely produced or shipped to the state.

ZEV credit and CARB are two separate entities and have separate rules…To aquire ZEV credits it based on vehicle produced…

Did your dealer place your order? Your dealer receives an expected build date when they receive the order slot (which is even before they place they orders). Do you know your dealer actually has ordered your car and if so why didn’t they give you any production info?

Or is it more likely the dealer didn’t actually place your order yet and instead just has your name on a list?

You keep saying this, ignoring the fact that hundreds of Canadians have been kept waiting months for their ordered Bolt EVs. Does it seem likely to you that EVERY Canadian GM dealership has messed up their Bolt EV orders? Of course the answer is no, it is not likely. Canadian Bolt sales have not been a priority, and have been put on the back burner. My December ordered Bolt EV just arrived at the dealership on the weekend. I should FINALLY take delivery sometime this week.

Messed up? I didn’t say any dealer messed up their orders. I’m saying the dealers lied to you. Or if you want to put it more kindly they were overoptimistic about when they would get to place orders. The rule at the dealer is make the sale. If you don’t have an order slot just pretend you have one and take their name and money anyway. If you want to know what is up, you have to work with a dealer who will show you you have slots and will put your car in one of them. GM isn’t going take orders six months in advance for cars. They don’t need to. It just creates more hassle if something changes (configs, dealer goes under/changes mind, etc.) in the meantime. Most likely your dealer took your name down in December and didn’t order the car until two months ago because that’s when a slot became available. Just because your name and money was taken doesn’t mean your order was placed. It doesn’t mean GM is taking six months to deliver cars from orders. It does mean GM isn’t giving a lot of order slots to your area (or at least to… Read more »

Had exactly that happen once at a dealer. I put a down payment on a vehicle and they said they ‘ordered’ it but that wasn’t the case. After awhile I got suspicious and started poking for specifics and they admitted the vehicle wasn’t available for order yet. They ‘ordered’ it in the sense they too my payment and put my name on a list so that when ordering began they would order it.

Not at all the same thing, since Canadian order books DID officially open in December, and orders placed in DEC/JAN are either just getting filled, or haven’t been yet. I received an order number when I placed mine. I’m not sure why unlucky thinks he knows what is going on at every Canadian GM dealership.

Order books open and an individual dealer’s allocation and resulting ability to place an order filling an allocation slot are two different things.

If the dealer really did order it you should have some sort of tracking number that you can then track:

Thanks CC. I will admit that I am unsure if the order number I received in December is the same thing as a tracking number, but my car is here now, so it makes no difference at this point.

Will the link to the fan-run beta system you provided work with international orders? I couldn’t tell by following the link, but I would encourage any other Canadians still waiting to give it a shot.


So every Canadian GM dealership didn’t mess up, EVERY Canadian dealership LIED?

Spin it how you want to, orders have been taking 6-7 months to fill in Ontario, and in fact, customers are being told that orders placed now will take up to 8-9 months to fill.

But clearly you know all about the situation here, and the ins and outs of each and every foreign (to you) dealership, so I’ll stop trying to tell you there’s allocation issues here.

Just don’t be surprised when you see yet another Canadian commenter saying the exact same thing. I’m sure their dealership lied to them too.

Yes. Every dealer lied. They want to get your money. They don’t want you to go to another dealer and decide to order through them. So yes, they took your money and merely put your name on their own list. And yes, dealers lied to other people too. Well, they did if you actually bothered to ask them what is up. Did you ask to see the order book? Did you see the slot your car was put in? You keep saying “cars ordered” but they weren’t ordered, you were just put on a list. I’m trying to help you get a car sooner and all you can do is try to tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about. The way it works is dealers get allocations. Allocations are order slots. They put in orders into those slots and the cars are then are built shortly thereafter and arrive at the dealer a period of time after that (depending on how long transit takes to your location, and don’t assume since you are close to Orion that it won’t take long either). If your car takes 6-7 months to get to you it’s because there was a many,… Read more »

Thank you so much for all your help. I understand now, that every Canadian who ordered a Bolt EV is an idiot, and every employee at every Canadian GM dealership is a liar.

Your condescending omniscience is really what this world needs more of.

They’re not saying you are an idiot. They’re saying you were given incomplete information by your dealer.

When I ordered my Bolt way back in October here in the States, I got an actual order sheet from the dealer showing exactly what the dealer had ordered in GM’s system, down to the color of the seats, options, etc. That included a 6-digit alphanumeric order number that I was then able to use to get periodic updates, like whether the order had been fully accepted by the factory, my TPW, status of the car after it had been produced, etc.

See my post below. My December ordered Bolt EV just arrived. I would guess you have 3-4 weeks before your car arrives.

Has anyone noticed on the running total that the Bolt will likely pass the Model X year to date next month?

With the exception to the Tilburg Assembly Plant where Fremont ships them parts and the vehicles are assembled for a few select markets, all foreign Teslas are built in Fremont and therefore they need to ship out global sales…This is why Tesla uses the quarterly system…With all that being said, you could still be right thanks to the model 3…The M3 could both pull production away from the X and also the overall demand…Despite the M3 being a lesser product it is the newest Tesla model, some who may have wanted an X may now simply want a loaded M3 simply because it’s the newest…

The big bump in end of quarter sales was a fizzle this time for Tesla. Some vague excuse about 100kwh battery packs but they were down year over year. Whether it is model 3 or the bolt or whatever doesn’t matter. I think Tesla is now at the point of the top of demand for those two vehicles. It is necessary to put into perspective that the X is a >100k SUV and in those cirles has captured a massive market share in a very short time but the upside of that market is limited. To a lesser extent the same thing goes for the S. So from a timing perspective I think this is good for Tesla. They need to continue to show rapid growth to sustain the stock value. The high stock value is what reduces their cost of capital. If they were 6 months later on the Model 3 and we had another 2 quarters of no growth sales from S and X, investors would get jittery. So good timing. Oh and yes full quarter globally, Tesla was down compared to last quarter.

I think the bigger issue is the 3 costs half as much. The market for 70,000+ cars just isn’t that big. A lot of potential buyers may have been stretching for the S and X well will now settle for the 3.

What I noticed is that EV sales for the US, and globally, have two peaks…June and December…December being the larger.

Looking at the total vehicle picture for June, the Model X looks like a much better bet than Model 3, for the long haul.

I have a theory on Bolt sales…

Chevy might sell more of them if they offered more of them for sale, like, everywhere. And they might sell even more if they competently marketed it.

Too radical?

Oh, and for the record, if I had the cash I’d have bought a Bolt months ago. It’s a great work of engineering, though I wish Chevy offered it with a panorama roof.

Every single consumer GM vehicle offers a sunroof (or a Targa/convertible)…Exceptions? Gen1 Volt, Spark EV, ELR, Gen2 Volt and now the Bolt EV…

It’s like a GM market researcher once concluded that EV buyers like to have solid metal over their heads, so now the rule stands.

Or could it be an issue of weight? I can understand how that may preclude a sunroof on a Volt, but on a Bolt? Doesn’t add up.

Jacked Beanstalk said:

“. . . GM market researcher once concluded that EV buyers like to have solid metal over their heads . . ”

Don’t let it worry you. It’s just a stand-in for the tinfoil hats they think we all need!

Well Lutz does think global climate change is a hoax. Stands to reason that he would think we all need tinfoil!

Their “market research” they conducted was on Gen1 Volt owners who favor range over a sunroof/other creature comforts…While the Bolt EV was designed exclusively by south Koreans, it was most likely management who ultimately approved/denied features…GM includes a garage door opener on almost every vehicle, however the Cruze (and Volt) and the Sonic (and the Bolt EV, different than the sonic but still built at the same plant) do not have it…If you go on Chevy chat and ask why they don’t have an opener, they’ll steer you to the Malibu Hybrid…Especially after the Gen2 Volt outcry that there’s no garage door opener someone should have added it to the Bolt…

Right on here it was reported that despite the Bolt EV being released to most CARB states and couple non-CARB 88% of Bolt sales went to Cali, many like their sunroofs…Too bad GM wasted their time on Gen1 Volt owners…

Bolt owner here:

My first car in a long time without a sunroof. On the other hand, my previous two (Audi and Cadillac) only have sunroofs because it was harder or more expensive to get the options I wanted without one than with one.

I have no need for a sunroof/moonroof. Glad to not have it.

The last car I got a moonroof on specifically because I wanted one was when I was in my 20s. I’m not that person anymore.

I guess I should say my LEAF was my first car in a long time without a sunroof. But it’s gone now.

I honestly don’t understand why someone would want a sunroof at all, but I guess people like the strangest things.

Regular Spark doesn’t offer it either.

And of course Silverado, Colorado, Express, City Express.

Apologies for the delay…First I do stand corrected for one model of my original statement, no Colorado offers a sunroof, there is a CA only trim called “Shoreline” that was rumored to get one but the roof never made it to production…
I stated “consumer”, Express are commercial vehicles…
Silverado and LT2 Spark do offer a Sunroof…

Tesla and Ferrari do not advertise and both seem to be highly desired…

There isn’t a proper way to advertise it…GM made the big mistake of talking to Gen1 owners, many who bought Volts at huge discounts, to improve the Gen2…They should have offered every single Leaf and Prius buyer $50 if they’d tell them why they passed on Volt…

Good point!

Ferrari most definitely advertises. That’s why they race cars, to advertise.

If the previous post is correct and GM get credits for cars produced, rather than cars sold, and most of the stock is sitting in CA, then this really is a compliance car at this stage. Once the stock is moving seamlessly into all states and countries, then it will no longer be a compliance car. But for 7k vehicles to be sitting in CA and nothing to speak of anywhere else, it is hard to draw a different conclusion.

There are not 7k cars sitting in CA. That is a wild exaggeration.

My local NY dealer presently has 14 Bolt EVs on the lot. This is a dealer that would, at most, have about 2-3 Volts on the lot.

Yes, NY is a CARB state, but these are being stocked in many places beyond CA.

Fix dealer knowledge, advertise, add some additional option configs, and actually keep some variations on the lot to be viewed, and this car can sell well.

ZEV credits are only earned on vehicles sold, period.

Have you ever wondered what dealers make on the BoltEV?

I know I have and you hear numbers all over the place.

UBS has the dealer mark up on the BoltEV at 5500$.

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This is one firms analyst and the number is static…The more vehicles sold the cheaper they cost to produce…Furthermore, the industry standard is that uptrims/options have a 50% margin over base models…

A far more interesting topic of discussion is how the former Tesla Exec stated that Musk told him the Model S only cost him $30K…If that ends up being true then UBS’s estimates could be very far off…

Look at the lowest MSRP cars and you’ll see several Sub Compact hatchbacks with ICE powertrains often start around $12K…Also remember the Spark EV started at $26K…


not sure the number is correct. Just presenting it as a data point.

It’s higher than I would expect though. It kind of scuttles the argument that dealers don’t want to sell plug ins because they don’t make any money.

SparkGas 1LT started at $15.5K. SparkEV lowest trim is 1LT. At consumer level, SparkEV bought in CA would be the same price as SparkGas after subsidy. It seems too coincidental that happened.

I think it’s a case of them taking advantage of subsidy. GM (and others) know that $7.5K + state subsidies are available, so they jack up the price. How much of that is due to subsidy is unknown, but you can be sure they were (are?) definitely taking that into their MSRP.

Unfortunately in CA you still pay sales tax on the full amount before the rebate, so you’re still effectively paying a thousand or so more.

It varies a lot with dealership, dealership volume and incentives (some localized/regional).

Regularly we see discounts of $3K-$4K out here on Premiers. So you can bet the margin (in their case at least) is higher than that. How much higher? I don’t know.

What kills me the most is lack of improvement for the MY18…It’s inventible GM will release a dual motor EV…The Bolt isn’t meeting sales expectations, drop everything to get a second EV motor into the Bolt and offer 2 variants…An 4.0 0-60 Bolt EV SS hot hatch version and one with a raised suspension and some off road lower cladding to make it more CUV like in the manner of the Subaru Crosstrek and Volvo Cross Country…AWD CUV/SUVs are the hottest segment right now and people are willing to pay a premium for performance models…

It already has “off road lower cladding” unfortunately. I’d rather have it look like a hatch, they try to make it look like a CUV.

I don’t expect a Bolt SS. I think a performance EV would come from Caddy first. Maybe even on this very platform.

What really is going to be the biggest thing is GM is going to work the supply chain and the other logistics and get their margins up on this car so they can make enough money on it to make it possible to push it (not just offer it) nationwide. MY18 will hopefully be the start of that.

I don’t expect much of anything for MY18, but when it comes to getting their margins up, they seem to be doing the exact opposite…Insiders have always said up trims/options have a 50% margin over the base…It’s obviously missing a ton of options such as power seats/sunroof/garage door opener/etc, but the thing doesn’t even have ACC…This should be the first car Chevy (not GM) should debut Supercruise on…While the argument is that there isn’t enough range or it isn’t the right segment, a ton of autopilot users also aren’t only using AP on their 500 mile roadtrips…Many are using it for their 5 mile commutes…The Supercruise option would bring a lot of buzz to the Bolt EV…

“doesn’t even have ACC”. You list 3 relatively mundane options and then complain it doesn’t have the most exotic one. Weird.

As to it being the car Chevy introduces Supercruise on, I have no reason to think it won’t be the one. It just isn’t here yet. And it looks like it won’t be here in December either.

The Volt is built on a Cruze platform, and the Cruze does offer power seats. The Bolt is built on a Sonic/Trax and that car doesn’t offer them. Why did you think the Bolt would offer power seats?

The Volt was built on the Cruze platform but while the Bolt originally started life on the Trax/Sonic platform it evolved onto it’s own platform…GM announced the Gen2 ICE Sonic would be based on Bolt EVs platform but many believe someone misspoke…

You can give the Bolt powerseats/sunroof/hud/cooled seats/garage door opener/etc and it probably wouldn’t do a whole lot for sales number but what it does do is bring in revenue…

With supercruise, it’s about hype, anyway we want to slice, the Bolt is not meeting sales expectations…Put supercruise into it and it will create a buzz…

They should start export to Israel

I hope the final autonomous hardware looks a lot better than this. Why is Tesla kicking EV butt? Because their cars have style and no overt geeky extras! Surely if you go to all the trouble to create these sensors you would try to make they look like they belong with the car.

And how is Tesla fitting everything into the vehicle without really large, unsightly hardware? GM needs to reverse engineer a Tesla, that computing hardware they dump into the boot is simply huge!

Yes, I know it is experimental, but if the hardware is half way designed to fit with the vehicle design it makes it a lot easier to produce the final product when the bugs are sorted out.

Tesla is production, GM is experimental and odds are high that zero Gen1 Bolt’s will ever be sold to the public with AV goodies…Most likely scenario is they’ll most likely be lent out to Lyft with a pair of senior engineers sitting in the front which will evolve eventually to a single unpaid engineering intern…

ACC isn’t even widespread on the majority of GM cars, supercruise debuts on one sole MY18 model, the caddy CT6…

How are doors that open upwards unnecessarily not overt geeky extras?

Rydell Chevrolet in Northrdige is now offering between $5000 and $5500 off MSRP. For anyone out of state, that seems like enough off sticker to make it worth while getting one from them. With that and the Federal Credit they are around the same price as a Prius Prime.

I went autoX’ing in my stock Bolt this past Saturday (did a writeup in my blog). Bunch of souped up Miatas, ‘vettes, Mustangs, FR-S, BRZ’s….and then my Bolt. I was the only electric in the field, suffice to say.

I completely sucked timewise (placed 114/118), but still had a blast.

Now I wonder what a Bolt SS variant with AWD, racing slicks, lowering springs and the like (along with a good driver) could do….

All you need is a set of good summer only tires and it’ll make a world of difference…Depending how the suspension was engineered, lowering springs alone may not be the best idea…Congrats on giving it a shot!

Great I have 2,000 on my bolt now did not buy 167 gals of gas.last two’s faster than my mini s and a lot more room.never owned gm car before so far it exceeds all expectations.going to get a second one soon.