Chevrolet Bolt EV Sales Soar, Surpassing Milestone Of 3,000 Sold

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JAN 3 2018 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 113

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The Chevrolet Bolt EV finishes 2017 with an impressive run, as the 238-mile EV solidifies earlier sales estimates.

The Bolt EV has been in a pretty advantageous position, at least thus far, with the Tesla Model 3 just finally beginning production ramp up in more substantial numbers, and the new 2018 Nissan LEAF just coming into the mix soon. Neither of these longer range/lower cost EVs has put up serious numbers as of yet, leaving the market to the Chevy alone. Although, it may only be a matter of time since the Model 3 is starting to see volume production and the LEAF is arriving in the coming weeks.

The new 2018 Nissan LEAF should give the Chevrolet Bolt a decent run for its money now that it’s arriving. However, we still have to wait a few weeks or more.

Additionally, December is historically the strongest sales (not leasing) month of the year for plug-ins. This is mostly due to the way the $7,500 fed credit works. Nonetheless, the Bolt EV finds itself as America’s third best-selling plug-in offering this month, following two months in a row in the top spot.

As usual, Tesla is finishing the year strong (although not as strong as 2016), putting the Model S in the number one spot followed by the Model X in second place.

For December, 3,227 Bolts were sold, topping the 2,987 moved in November.

The month’s sales also mark a whopping 10 consecutive months of gains. For the year, 23,297 Bolts have been delivered – second only to the Tesla Model S, which will take down the year’s best-selling title for the third year in a row.

In October, GM publicized its future electrification plans, which will include up to 20 electric vehicles. In the short term, GM will offer two new all-electric vehicles inside of the next two years.

As we previously reported, the first is a Bolt-based Buick utility vehicle. We received exclusive information back in July from a source who attended a GM focus group. During the event, GM accidentally included the upcoming information in a presentation given by CEO Mary Barra (check out that photo below). We expect to see this model debut in Detroit in January and be available in the fall.

An InsideEVs anonymous source was at a focus group this summer and confidently states THIS is GM’s next all-electric vehicle – a compact utility offering under the Buick badge

While Chevy Bolt EV sales continue to strengthen, its stablemate, the Chevrolet Volt, not only has to compete with the Bolt but a large and growing range of plug-in hybrid rivals.

Chevrolet Volt Sales

Chevrolet Volt: An ever-growing field of plug-in hybrid competitors has cut into the Chevrolet Bolt’s stablemate

November welcomed the Honda Clarity PHEV – which has been priced strongly ($33,400 for a mid-size car with 47 miles of range) and is likely to become Volt’s toughest competition to date. We’ll soon see if Honda is keeping it in stock and how it fares in 2018.

In addition to the Clarity, Hyundai just released outstanding pricing for its IONIQ Plug-In Hybrid, which starts at $24,950.

Also, while the Toyota Prius Prime hasn’t seen a sales surge, it has still been able to place narrowly ahead of the Volt for five straight months. We’ll know soon how it ranks this month.

With the growing mix of PHEVs and aggressive pricing, the Volt may continue to see declining sales into 2018.

For December, GM sold 1,937 Volts (against a total of ~26 other plug-in offerings in the U.S. market). This is down from 47.5% from the 3,691 sold in December of 2016.

For the year, GM has now sold 20,349 Volts, down 17.7% from the 24,739 moved a year ago.

Nonetheless, the news is positive for GM, as the company sold 5,164 plug-ins in December and 43,646 in 2017. As per usual, we are excited to report another all-time high!

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Another all-time record for the Bolt and I believe this is the first time GM ever broke the 5k barrier for total monthly plug-in sales!

Sales of the Bolt would have been even more impressive, but many dealers in CA had almost no inventory till the last few days of December, and many were sold out for most of the month. If there had been inventory the whole month, 4k sales would have probably been in reach.

I also think it’s pretty clear now that the Bolt is supplanting Volt sales. No wonder the Volt is on the chopping block.

GM’s not well advertised incentives went viral by lease hacker making it front page and sharing salesmen contacts last month was the chief reason for the sell out…

Also: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/tech/2017/12/419_241598.html

GM Korea will import 5,000 Bolt EVs in 2018. Doesn’t sound like much, but 5,000 Bolts would have been almost 50% of the total Korean plug-in market last year.

For a smaller GM market like South Korea 5,000 is a decent number. This is certainly good to hear!

I thought the Bolt is made in Korea. Why would they “import” it? Or is it some kind of statistical quirk by being made in some kind of export oriented free trade zone like they have in China?

I take it back. Forgot that assembly is only done in Michigan!

With the new parts factories and battery factory expansion coming online, most of the Bolt EV will be made in the US too.

Right! What you were thinking of, most likely, is that Battery and many other electronic components come from Korea!

On a separate note, will GM Bundle CCS in the cars base Model/Price Point Soon?

If Korean incentives are still in place, they’ll probably sell out of all 5000 in a day, just like in 2017. I mean, ~$23K for Bolt is a killer deal.

Hyundai has been dedicating about half of their Ioniq EV production to the home market (~1000/month), so it’ll be interesting to see whether the arrival of the Bolt will temper that a bit or just grow overall EV sales.

It will be interesting to see how the Bolt sales go the rest of the year. My guess is that as soon as a 35,000$ M3 is available (and assuming you can still get some or all of the Federal rebate) GM will realize that the Bolt is actually a 30,000$ car.

I’ve read that GM and Nissan are both going to use up the Federal rebate roughly around the same time as Tesla..

Just from estimating on my own… GM and Tesla should reach 200,000 within 1 quarter of each other. With the Model 3 rollout going slower than I expected, they very well could both hit 200,000 at the same time.

I am thinking GM will hit the ceiling in late Q2 (or if they play their cards right: early Q3)

Nissan is lagging behind both Tesla and GM. I don’t think they will reach 200,000 until 2019 unless the new Leaf is a huge hit.

Yes, late Q2 seems to be about right. While GM and Nissan will definitely have to cut MSRP at that time, Tesla will be fine with its one to two year backlog of reservations.

Mike, While I agree with you, GM can’t afford to do so. They were initially losing $9k per vehicle. Making that up in ZEV credits is hard. GM can’t sell these at a loss with increasing demand.

On the other side of things, the Model III is currently a $50k vehicle with the larger battery and all options tacked onto it. However, at present, there are more Model III’s than original Tesla Roadsters on the road right now.

It is almost certain that GM has positive gross margin on the car. This, while they may have sunk many dollars into capex, each additional car sold puts money in GM’s pocket.

Do we have data one way or the other?

I’ve only seen duelling assertions to date.

They aren’t dueling…

Gross profit is different from net profit.

I totally believe that GM is making gross profit on the Bolt but has a net loss.

The question was about facts and your answer was ‘totally believe’. It is a fact that margin per unit changes depending on capex inclusion etc but the question is by how much?

Still spewing that old piece of propaganda are we?

They make a gross profit on every Bolt sold. Now if your lumping research, development cost, retooling the plant, etc… Then sure they are losing a diminishing about for each Bolt sold.

The problem with saying GM loses $9k a Bolt is you and the analyst that first mentioned that number don’t know how GM is amortizing the Bolt’s development cost. If the Buick’s Bolt uses 85% of the Bolt’s components than that $9k gets diluted by every Buick EV sale as well. Things like motors, inverter, controllers might be used for several vehicles – why lump all the development cost on the Bolt?

Link?

No one has a link to that data. If they claim they do, they are mistaken or lieing. GM keeps that proprietal data secret for obvious reasons. The thing is that industry “experts” have come out and said all sorts of stuff about the profitability or lack thereof for the Bolt and the Volt, earlier. But the fact is that nobody knows for sure. There is a huge difference net profit and gross profit though. If you include the development cost like that Macinac study did back in 2011, you can semi-truthfully claim that the Volt was losing $70,000 per car sold. IF you assigned the entire cost to develop the Voltec system over the first 14,000 Volts sold, which is ridiculous. These people saying the Bolt is losing money for GM are adding the cost to develop the Bolt into the cost of building each individual Bolt without taking into account how GM is amortizing the development cost. Most experts I have read think that the Bolt is making GM a small but real profit for each one sold, with the fully loaded Bolts making GM a bit better profit. Not as much profit as their ICE vehicles, so… Read more »

See now that uses logic…get out of here with that. It’s the exact same case in the other article about VW and the various Golf versions. There is no reason for a company such as VW or GM to just pile on the capacity. By the end of 2018, GM/LG will have built out new facilities and driven down the costs and also the incentives will have been removed.

There’s SOME truth to what you say, that the Bolt EV is not profitable and possibly never will be, however it’s hard to pinpoint a “$9K loss”…GM has gone on record recently stating that they WILL make a profit on EVs, this was AFTER the Bolt went nationwide…

A pure base Bolt EV is less profitable than a fully loaded Bolt EV Premier…GM offers throws rich incentives and offers really cheap leases for Bolt EV…Since it doesn’t have strong resale, the lender, GM Financial, will take a huge loss on every Bolt leased…

Have you even bothered to read the original Bloomberg article? It throws out that $9,000 figure with absolutely no supporting evidence other than the idle ramblings of Eric Noble, president of the CarLab, a consulting company in Orange, California, who “reckons” most electric cars lose at least $10,000 per sale. So who is Eric Noble? Well, one of the more polite comments on his CarLab Facebook page, “Eric Noble, wrong at every comment ever made publicly, never had achieved or made anything – ready to pass judgement on those who has. What a douche-bag …”

Ouch!

Let me know when somebody actually orders and receives the $35K unicorn.

For under $40K you can get a very well optioned Bolt with DC fast charging and 238 miles of range. You can’t get that for $40K in a Model 3.

Not many “value” shoppers won’t be looking at the Model 3.

I seriously doubt there will ever be a $35K Tesla Model 3. Gm can afford to lose money on EVs, Tesla cannot.

There will be small number of $36,000 Model 3s (what the $35,000 Model 3 actually costs when compared to the Bolt) to keep Elon’s word, but it will be quickly discontinued due to “lack of demand”. Makes sense as Tesla has done all they can to cajole Model 3 buyers into spending way, way more than $36,000. One would have to be very, very disciplined to be a Model 3 fan and stick to the bottom of the line base car.

If they can sell a 500 mile range semi for $180,000 than they can sell a 220 mile range M3 for $35,000.

Who says they can do either at a profit?

“Not many “value” shoppers won’t be looking at the Model 3.”

The Buick Bolt will add the two missing features for me, power driver seat and dynamic cruise.

If I can get that next year in Buick Bolt plus the $7,500 added to OR’s $2,500 (new for this year) in 2018 for $45,000 I’d go for that over the $60K Model 2 with AWD, 300 miles version in 2019 which would only include the $2,500 OR credit at that point.

I don’t think that the Buick Bolt/Encore-like BEV will be out until late 2018 at the very earliest. And the tax credit will be cut in half before then. If it comes out in mid-2019, which seems more likely due to GM’s development schedule on the Volt and the Bolt, at that time there won’t be any credit for any GM vehicle, Chevy, Cadillac or Buick.
But I hope that I am wrong and the Encore BEV comes out soon.

No consumer is going to be making that decision for a couple years.

MoM sales increase of 8% is soaring?

It was predicted by many 13 months ago that GM would move 24k Bolts to meet its CAFE and CARB obligations.

It moved 23,297. Hmmm.

GM doesn’t need the Bolt for compliance. Tesla will happily sell ZEV credits to any polluting automaker. Not exactly helping to accelerate sustainable transport; I wish Tesla would end the hypocrisy.

LOL trying so hard to spin this backwards it is downright comical

Actually I think allowing Tesla to sell ZEV credits is very good for the environment. Tesla is making much better use of the money than traditional automakers ever could. Plus forcing companies to make compliance vehicles that they struggle to sell is not going to create a market. Tesla is building desirable cars and is using the money from the credits to do so.

Tesla sells ZEV credits so other manufacturers can sell more SUVs.

That’s good for the environment. Gotcha. Lol

If Tesla doesn’t sell credits, then the other automakers just pay penalties to CARB.

What on earth makes you think that if Tesla doesn’t sell credits then there will be fewer SUV’s made?

The automakers can’t simply just pay a penalty to CARB and continue on with sales of their vehicles. They still have to make up the shortfall of credits, either by generating them the following year, or purchasing ZEV credits from someone who has a surplus. It provides an additional financial incentive to comply with the ZEV mandate.

bro1999, So, tell your ICE SUV Buying Brothers & Sisters to Stop Buying ICE SUV’s, then!

Take out a 30 Day, Full Page Ad, in Each Newspaper sold in California, to tell them!

Let them know they are just Helping Tesla’s Competition avoid making Great Electric Vehicles, by doing so!

I am sure they didn’t know that! (Or, they just don’t care, for which you have a different, and bigger problem!)

GM didn’t need to sell 24,000 Bolts to make CARB compliance. Nor will they need to sell that many for 2018 or 2019 or 2020.

They have enough ZEV and PZEV credits to last them well into the next decade. They will probably be selling their surplus of credits to other automakers the same way Tesla does.

It would depend on where exactly they were sold. As of this year, the CARB ZEV credits no longer can “travel” between states, so we’ll see how that plays out as far as guiding deals on the Bolt. I would imagine that no one expects the Bolt to outsell December this month, but if sales stay in the 2800 level, then we know that demand is pretty strong and that GM is willing to deliver.

Since the travel provision has netted GM credits in other CARB states that were equal in proportion to the credits they earned in California… they are now on equal footing in all CARB states. In other words: if they have enough credits in California to last well into the next decade, then that means they also have enough to do the same for all remaining CARB states.

Plus, GM has already sold the Volt in those other CARB states. The Spark EV was sold in WA and MD, and now the Bolt will be sold in all of them from 2017 on.

So GM will be sitting pretty comfortably on a mountain of ZEV and TZEV credits. 🙂

Don’t forget that an additional 2 BEVs are coming in the next ~12 months.

So, even though they have enough ZEV credits to last them for years and years… they will have at least 3 BEVs and 2 PHEVs (maybe 3 PHEVs) on the market in the US by mid-2019. That is how I know this is a legitimate play to lead the plug-in market by GM. Not merely to satisfy compliance.

So how many CARB credits does GM get for selling Bolts in the non-CARB states?

Whoops, sorry to shoot a huge hole in your compliance car conspiracy theory.

Have you looked at Bolt sales in regions outside of CARB and ZEV-mandated Quebec? They’re very low.

Ontario buys 80% more vehicles than Quebec, is right next to Michigan, has long waiting lists for the Bolt (due to a $14000 incentive), but we get half the Bolts.

GM is selling in small amounts elsewhere for PR. Here they have banners in every showroom about the Bolt being COTY, but no car to test drive anywhere.

So no, your logic is not sound. The compliance+PR theory is alive and well.

So what’s Tesla’s excuse? How come they only sold 27,000 Model S and just 21,000 Model X?? They don’t seem committed to electric transportation at all. Selling fancy cars Elon’s friends seems to be the focus of that company. Yes, the world will be a *much* better place when all the wealthy elite finally can drive all electric and send their chauffeurs to the unemployment line!

Elon’s vision of the future- “Siri- please go 0-60 in 1.6 seconds while I drink champaign from a sippy cup in the back seat and watch my old car fly into space on TV.”

The way I see it, only GM and Nissan are committed and actually trying to get ordinary people to drive all electric. The brand Tesla is now synonymous with elite snobbery, audacious claims and the sparkle and glitter of Hollywood. Meanwhile the boring, stodgy old car companies of the past are the ones actually working the problem of getting BEVs to the masses.

Dav8or, the way you see it? Did you forget any GM EV History? GM sells almost 24,000 Bolt EV’s in their First Full Year of Sales, plus about, what was it, some 869 or so last December (2016)? That was Out of the otherwise Million(s) of Non Plugin Cars they built and sold, across many multiple of Manufacturing plants! It is more like GM is Commited to figuring out how long they can prolong the shift to Electric Drive, and Desirable EV’s, as long as they can, while making a show of not doing so to the otherwise uninformed! As mint stated, the Bolt EV, in Ontario, Canada, which Comes with CCS on the Base Model, and starts at about $43,000, is still not satisfying Demand There, let alone Interest! Maybe by the time Tesla gets the Model 3 fully clear of Production Hell, and is steadily growing above 5,000 per week in production, GM will start to understand that there is something of an interest in EV’s, and get back on board trying to catch up with Tesla! This years advantage they had, they have not really decided to capitalize on, hardly at all! If GM was as commited… Read more »

You criticize GM’s efforts, but outside of Tesla they are the only one’s with real volume in the US. Sure Nissan sells well in Japan and in milder climates around the world but they are slow to progress EV tech. Given GM will have another EV out later this year and another next year the are moving very fast.

Plus, since battery packs seem to be the holdup, couldn’t Tesla have started with the $35k M3 instead of the $50k version?

That’s about the size of it.
Your comment was Mint.

“Have you looked at Bolt sales in regions outside of CARB and ZEV-mandated Quebec? They’re very low.”

And whom do you blame for that?

When GM says they expect to sell 25-30k Bolts nationally because that’s what demand indicates, and people on the internet object while insisting that there are a bunch of red state drivers just dying to buy an EV, should we believe internet commenters or our lying eyes?

GM already got burned with the Volt by taking loud internet voices at their word instead of at their actions. There is an endless supply of noisy EV “advocates” who insist that if only Big ICE would offer a Good EV, they will line up to buy it…. yet GM made two of the best cars in the history of their company – the Volt and Bolt – and the excuse factory pops up with “the seating for 5 is too cramped!” and “GM doesn’t own their own refueling infrastructure!” (something that has never been the case).

The most important lesson for automakers is to ignore the internet commentariat.

Seriously. Everyone continues to bash EVs with less than 200 miles of range, but several of the most recent offerings in that class are showing strong demand that simply shouldn’t exist if the internet were to be believed.

Look how GM effectively killed Bolt in Europe where it no longer has any compliance needs and tell me this isn’t a compliance car.

Just one more of a long line of indications that Bolt’s main mission is compliance.

Please don’t be dumb. Go Google who owns Opel then get back to me how GM “killed” the Bolt in Europe. The only fault, or blame in this situation is the fact that GM wasn’t able to figure out how to make Opel profitable in nearly 20 years of stewardship. That is pretty bad. I bet now PSA wished they had never bought the spent turd.

GM exited the entire European market. They don’t directly sell any car there anymore.

And they have no control over what cars Peugeot chooses to buy from them for resale.

Companies only sell cars where they can make money. Except Tesla.

Right. I guessed 22k over a year ago, so they surpassed that, barely.

Yay! About 9% above your expectations!

I wonder when Ford will make something that can compete with this in EV Land? And, same for FCA? Also MB, BMW, and others (In the USA Market, specifically!)

Of course, with Tesla, we keep hearing ‘Stuff’ that they will not be able to make it, ‘because’ they will be ‘Bankrupt’ by August! But, beyond that noise, in 2018, Tesla will be just starting to ‘Compete’ in the segment the Bolt EV is playing in, and had almost a full year head start, so, lets just see if GM is still ‘Kicking But’ with the Bolt EV, and gets another 12 Months of Continuing Month over Month Sales Increases, through 2018?!

That would be good to see actually, and indicate the demand for EV’s is bigger than just GM & Tesla!

GM started development of the Bolt a year before Tesla on the M3?

Once the Model 3 hits it’s production numbers it will just wipe the floor with the Bolt.
I gave GM props for coming to market first with a decent car, but it doesn’t hold a candle to the Model 3.

I think GM will keep production around 25k for the Bolt or 2018. Only 1/3 of their dealers carry it, and most of those are in the CARB states.
Big promotions by GM, with falling car sales, in December, bumped up Bolt numbers, but now they will fall back, with Tesla powering ahead.
They, Tesla, will probably pass the Bolt in total sales sometime this Summer.

“Big promotions by GM, with falling car sales, in December, bumped up Bolt numbers, but now they will fall back, with Tesla powering ahead.”

Wait, you are giving GM credit for prompting the Bolt now?

Geez, you are such a flip flop!

“It was predicted by many 13 months ago that GM would move 24k Bolts to meet its CAFE and CARB obligations.”

By whom? A bunch of idiots on the internet?

GM never needed that much CARB credit in 2017 nor will it need in 2018.

GM currently has a surplus on CARB credits.

sure, the current Bolt sales in CARB states allow it to “bank more credits” for future. But saying that GM “needs” it is certainly baseless.

On top of it all, if GM truly “need” it as you and some of others claim, then why do they bother to expand to nationwide offering? Doesn’t make sense, does it?

Well, lets see how many they sold outside of CARB states, and many how Chevy dealers in those states carry them. The answer is not many.

GM can’t make dealers carrying them. Dealers order them.

VA has plenty so are WA state. Neither is compliance state.

Bolt doesn’t move at all in LA area which is California. At the end of the day, it is about consumer demand. Buyer demand for EVs actually match up with the so called “compliance states”.

It could easily be double that if GM would be able to seriously sell it worldwide.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Plus they raised the price 5k.

GM doesn’t even sell Chevrolet worldwide…

Best commuter car I’ve ever had (leased in Feb). 13k miles so far. My brother just bought one in December.

If the $35k M3 ever comes true, then that could be next on the list, but I remain skeptical.

Sceptical about what – the timeline is the only variable at this point. Estimate for my model 3 was oct-dec and ended up being January. Delay doesn’t mean no existence.

Be honest, what was your previous vehicle? Fingers crossed its not a Prius…

What if it was a Prius? What if it had an Aftermarket Turbo added to said Prius? And a bigger Battery Capacity?

Like anything “best” is meaningless unless you can compare it the second best…

Case and point, “I’m now on my forth wife and this one is the least b!tchiest yet”… 😀

“What if it had an Aftermarket Turbo added to said Prius?”

Explain to me how does adding a turbo to atkinson cycle engine would make any sense?

Not strictly counting cost or difference in range, how does the Bolt EV, as a vehicle, compare to the Soul EV? For Driving comfort? For Space for passengers & Driver? For Storage? For Dealer Buying Experience? For Leasing terms (of allowed Mileage, & % of balance due at lease end for buy out)?

In other words, could a 238 Mile Range Soul EV win sales from the Bolt, if it was the same price, because the Vehicle is Better, or would the Bolt EV beat such a Soul EV, in demand, & Sales?

Things are really looking good for 2018. We still have the EV tax break and Model 3 will be coming on line.

I notice that this new GM CUV is a compact. Will it have the same tiny wheel base a the BoltEV???? I hope not.

At any rate:
Way to go GM!

The Bolt is a sub-compact technically, though it has a really roomy interior.
The Bolts WB is around 102.4 vs 105.7 for the compact sized Volt. So the new CUV is supposed to be about the same size as the Bolt but with 3″ more rear seat legroom which may indicate that the WB will be a bit closer to the Volt rather than the Bolt. Maybe.
https://insideevs.com/exclusive-next-gm-ev-to-be-bolt-based-buick-crossover/

I think the Bolt is considered a small wagon technically.

EPA measures by passenger and cargo volume while a lot of other sources measure by length. I think the Bolt is a sub-compact that is also small station wagon, depending on who you are reading.

GM calls it a crossover which is the red hot segment right now and allows them to bundle metrics with other ICE crossovers…

EPA classifies it as a small station wagon and the most accurate definition of it is a subcompact hatchback…

“…the most accurate definition of it is a subcompact hatchback…”

In your opinion.

With the interior space of a midsize, I don’t at all agree with the accurateness of your definition.

It does not have the interior space of a mid size…GM owns words, mirrored after the i3, subcompact or B-Segment footprint with a compact or C-Segment interior space…

But somehow Bolt has MORE INTERIOR PASSENGER VOLUME THAN THE MODEL S…

And Model S is a “large car” according to the stupid EPA rating.

In practice, the interior is somewhere between a large compact and small mid-size sedan.

From GM Fleet:

For instance a Bolt EV has 95 ft³ passenger, 17 ft³ cargo

A Chevy Cruze has 94 ft³ passenger, 15 ft³ cargo

A Malibu has 103 ft³ passenger, 16 ft³ cargo

Bolt Front Leg: 41.6 in
Bolt Front Head: 39.7 in
Bolt Rear Leg: 36.5 in
Bolt Rear Head: 37.9 in
Bolt Rear Hip: 50.8 in

Malibu Front Leg: 42 in
Malibu Front Head: 39.1 in
Malibu Rear Leg: 38.1 in
Malibu Rear Head: 37.5 in
Malibu Rear Hip: 53.4 in

Cruze Front Leg: 42 in
Cruze Front Head: 38.9 in
Cruze Rear Leg: 36.1 in
Cruze Rear Head: 37.3 in
Cruze Rear Hip: 51.9 in

The Bolt excels in head room and leg room. The hip room is the only underwhelming measurement that betrays its Chevy Sonic roots. But that is only an issue if you need to cram 3 people into the back seats.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Good job LG Chem!

True. Grats.
I wonder if they will be supplying all the batteries and drive trains for the 20 or so electric vehicles GM is coming out with in the next 5 years.

Hopefully they at least make the batteries, since theirs are some of the best.

I hear they even know how to automate a battery assembly line. Unlike others who have to do it by hand…

Carefull! That new kid may be a bit overwhelmed at the moment, but their commitment and heart is All In on this game, with no other game to carry them!

If they are backed into a wall, that is not how you want to fight them!

Looks like a stylized Bolt with about same dimensions. Some will see it as a “CUV”. Like a Kia Niro is a “CUV”, although it’s lower and shorter than a Gen2 Leaf.

Here is an interesting tidbit. GM May have sold more Bolts that Sonics in December.

According to GM Authority sales are as follows

Sonic: 1,946
Spark: 3,079

I think the Sonic is definitely on the chopping block. And/or the Spark.

Yeah, like they said that six months ago.

News Flash: “GM doesn’t want to sell ICE cars, because they want to get rid of Spark/Sonic”…

That new CUV from GM looks sweet. I only hope that GM intends to build and sell a lot of them, at a price competitive with it’s gas-powered competition.

GM has a fairly regular customer event where GM reveals cars that are 20-24 months from production. They released the Bolt 2 years after they revealed it at the same type of event in which they revealed a Buick Encore-like BEV back in August of last year. So we may be about 20 months out for the Encore BEV. I hope it comes sooner.

I wonder how many were sold in non-carb states? Not many. Maybe 5%.

Way more than 5%. Pushmi-Pullyu and I had a good discussion about this about 2 months ago. There is more to it than CARB / Non-CARB.

Certainly selling ZEV credits seems to be part of the equation for GM. But GM has enough ZEV and PZEV credits to last for years.

Some CARB areas get little to no Bolt inventory because demand there is low. (Small populations, low density, lower income states)

Some Non-CARB areas have decent Bolt inventory because demand is high for other reasons (state incentives, charging infrastructure, dense cities)

https://insideevsforum.com/community/index.php?threads/whats-the-deal-with-the-bolt-ampera-e-supply-demand-problems.145/

Lets try to be specific, what does way more mean. 7%, 10%, 20%?
If 85% were sold in CA. and another 10% were sold in the CARB states that leaves 5%.

Where on earth did you get that 85% California sales number from? That is completely wrong. Last I checked, less than 50% of lifetime ev sales are in California. (And you can expect that percentage to drop significantly now that the travel provision is gone. )

Only about 1/3 of Bolt EV inventories are in or near California right now. And Bolt EV sales didn’t pick up significantly until the summer when sales expanded to other big or mid tier EV states: many of which are not CARB states (such as Colorado, Texas, Illinois and Georgia.)

I suggest reading the link I provided – it includes some inventories (from late October) in major non-CARB cities. As well as a breakdown of how the ZEV credit works and why GM has a huge surplus of credits.

We don’t have a state by state breakdown of monthly sales for December. So I cannot give you specifics anymore than you could give me specifics. But based on inventory and overall EV sales by state, I would say 20% minimum from non-CARB states. But that is an educated guess not an exact figure.

Ok, so you say only 50% of Bolts sold last year were sold in CA. lol

No, this article is about December sales.

The headline is: Chevrolet Bolt EV Sales Soar, Surpassing Milestone Of 3,000 Sold

If you are referring to the year as a whole then that is a different equation. The first 5 months or so were primarily west coast sales. Non-CARB states such as Colorado and Texas did not start getting Bolts until June/July.

Way to pull #’s out of your ass. Well, most stuff you post is probably sourced from the same place, so no surprise there.

Closer than’s Wade’s educated guess.

I am giving you evidence for my point. By all means refute it with your own evidence to the contrary. My guess was referring to December, not the year as a whole. If you want to be “more specific” then try to at least specify what time frame you are talking about. 😛 My 20% guess was a *minimum* for December. It is probably higher for the month. Maybe in the first 3 or 4 months of the year 85% of Bolt sales would have been in California. Because the Bolt was only available in a few states. That would be bro saying “How many of those Model 3 sales were outside of California in 2017? Not many. 5% maybe.” Look at the below chart from in 2016: http://evadoption.com/ev-market-share/ev-market-share-state/ The ZEV mandate states that I’m aware of are: California, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, and Vermont. These states combined to be under 70% of total EV sales in 2016. (~66% all combined) Texas, Colorado, Michigan, Hawaii, Florida Georgia and Illinois combined to be over 15% of EV sales. And there is still 15% of EV sales for the remaining states. The same was true… Read more »

So more Bolt sales in one month than the Model 3 did in 6. Stupid compliance car…

Couldn’t resist.

Kind of disappointed they didn’t sell more overall but it seems like a case of people just not really wanting it, at least in the US. A lot of other EVs out there are “good enough” at a lower price for the enthusiasts.

DJ says “So more Bolt sales in one month than the Model 3 did in 6.” OK, let’s revisit this in a year, and see if you can make the same claim! ? Or, if it will be reversed!

Wait, I’m felling generous: let’s revisit this, in 6 Months and compare! ?

A couple of groups have already driven across the U.S. in new Model 3’s, one group in under 50 hours. Try that in a Bolt. In the middle of one the coldest Winter’s we’ve had.

I think in 6 months, as you suggest, that Model 3 will surpass the total Bolt production of 2017, (23.5k) and a few months later surpass total Bolt production up to that time. I made this prediction over a year ago and later thought Tesla would blow it away, but their production problems brought me closer.

Plus, they won’t shut down production of the Model 3 for 3 weeks this Summer to retool the factory.

Yeah, there seems to be a lot of overly negative views because, once again, Tesla is slow to ramp up production, and there are many who claim every stumble and misstep is a catastrophe, but this is not your first rodeo, so your understand the difficulties involved, and that they will eventually be overcome. It’s always good to hear your clear and balanced pov.
Have a Great Year.

“A couple of groups have already driven across the U.S. in new Model 3’s, one group in under 50 hours. Try that in a Bolt. In the middle of one the coldest Winter’s we’ve had.”

Way to deflect the original joke.

Give it a rest. Model 3 is awesome. But no need to be prick and rain on Bolt parade all the time. We all know that you are one of the biggest GM haters here so no need to expand your role.

The $9k loss was based upon a really bad analysis where they even got cell cost wrong even though it had been stated months earlier.

So total fud

The one fact I find interesting I just heard on Automotive News. The BOLT ev for December ALMOST outsold all of Cadillac Division’s Car offerings combined (they sold many SUV’s which are technically trucks). Ev-Hater Johann DeNysschen’s CT6 PHEV sold a whopping 29 copies – A NEW RECORD! Of course the BOLT is a serious, high-value product and the Caddy is a joke. It also seems prospective buyers are voting with their feet. What an idiot decision to discontinue the ELR when it sold more than ten times as well, besides you wouldn’t then alienate the dealerships who took a chance on selling the EV, since NONE of the dealers within 380 miles of me will sell the new ev. His GREAT BRAIN Pinnacle program, where smaller volume dealerships are penalized, is causing my main ‘large’ dealership to drop the Cadillac brand. They will be strictly BUICK/GMC from now on. As it is the Showroom Manager says they have to ‘rearrange the showroom’ whenever they are inspected by the Cadillac Gestapo and are constantly ‘dinged’ for not allocating enough space per car, when they did a Hugely expensive needless remodeling of the Huge Expanse strictly to satisfy them previously. I’ve… Read more »