Chevrolet Bolt Beats Tesla Model S To Capture Motor Trend Car Of The Year Award

NOV 15 2016 BY MARK KANE 252

Chevrolet Bolt EV

Chevrolet Bolt EV

The 2017 Motor Trend Car of the Year award goes to the Chevrolet Bolt EV, which beat competitors including the Tesla Model S.

Honestly, picking a car other than the Bolt EV from the list of finalists (posted below) just wouldn’t be right in this day of the 200-plus mile EV. Yes, the Model S fits into that category, but it’s prohibitively expensive for the average consumer.

Chevrolet Bolt EV - in production now, arriving in December

Chevrolet Bolt EV – in production now, arriving in December

For Chevrolet, this is its fourth Motor Trend award in three years.

“The editors based their selection on the Bolt EV’s performance in six evaluation categories: advancement in design, engineering excellence, efficiency, safety, value and performance of intended function.”

Alan Batey, president of GM North America and Global Chevrolet brand chief said:

“Chevrolet is the fastest-growing full-line retail brand in the industry thanks to an exceptional vehicle lineup, which includes ground-breaking products like the Bolt EV. Being recognized once again as MOTOR TREND Car of the Year is a great honor for the entire Chevrolet team.”

Chevrolet Bolt on the stage at the LA Auto Show...with some new hardware (InsideEVs/Tom Moloughney)

Chevrolet Bolt on the stage at the LA Auto Show…with some new hardware (InsideEVs/Tom Moloughney)

Ed Loh, MOTOR TREND Editor-in-Chief said:

“Chevrolet is on a roll with new and compelling vehicles that have reset the bar for trucks in 2015, trucks and sports cars in 2016, and for 2017, electric cars. The Bolt EV is certainly a game changing vehicle and we look forward to seeing whether we’ll be recognizing another Chevrolet next year in our annual awards.”

Motor Trend’s verdict:

The Groundbreaking Chevrolet Bolt EV is the car of tomorrow. Today.

Chevrolet Bolt EV Interior - With Some Help From LG

Chevrolet Bolt EV Interior – With Some Help From LG

That sound? It’s almost imperceptible, but it’s there. The soft rustle of air over steel and glass, the muted hum of rubber on tarmac, the faint whirr of spinning metals. It’s the sound of electrons at work, the sound of electrical energy being converted into motion, the sound of the automotive world shifting on its axis. It’s the sound of the 2017 Motor Trend Car of the Year, the Chevrolet Bolt EV.

The Bolt EV is not GM’s first pure electric car. The company has been experimenting with electric vehicles for decades, stuffing batteries into Corvairs in the mid-1960s and developing the fiendishly complex EV-1 in the 1990s. You can buy an all-electric version of the Spark from your friendly local Chevy dealer right now. But the Bolt EV is the first conceived from the get-go by GM to be a viable, affordable mass-market electric vehicle. And it’s a game changer.

Two numbers—238 and 29,995—are why. The first is the number of miles the EPA has certified the Bolt EV will travel on a full charge. The second is the price, in dollars, of the Bolt EV, after allowing for a $7,500 federal tax rebate. By offering that range at that price, the Bolt EV has made just about every other electric vehicle on sale obsolete. “Simply put, it’s twice the car for half the price of a BMW i3,” guest judge Chris Theodore said. “A better car, better package, much better handling, with twice the range.”

Even the folks at Tesla, the electric vehicle masters of the universe, have been put on notice: The Bolt EV sets a benchmark for value and performance they’ll have to work overtime to match. “This is a direct challenge for Tesla to make the Model 3 anything near the Bolt EV for the same price,” executive editor Mark Rechtin said. “Chevrolet has made affordable long-range electric transportation available to the masses. Elon Musk should be afraid. Very, very afraid.”…

read more at Motor Trend

Other 2017 Car of the Year Finalists:

  • Audi A4
  • Cadillac CT6
  • Chrysler Pacifica
  • Genesis G90
  • Jaguar XE
  • Porsche 911
  • Tesla Model S 60/75
  • Volvo S90

Chevrolet Bolt EV spec and Motor Trend test results:

2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV (Premier)
POWERTRAIN/CHASSIS
DRIVETRAIN LAYOUT Front-engine, FWD
MOTOR TYPE Permanent magnet AC synchronous electric
BATTERY TYPE Lithium-ion
POWER (SAE NET) 200 hp
TORQUE (SAE NET) 266 lb-ft
WEIGHT TO POWER 17.7 lb/hp
TRANSMISSION 1-speed automatic
AXLE/FINAL-DRIVE RATIO 7.05:1/7.05:1
SUSPENSION, FRONT; REAR Struts, coil springs, anti-roll bar; torsion beam, coil springs
STEERING RATIO 16.8:1
TURNS LOCK-TO-LOCK 2.9
BRAKES, F; R 10.9-in vented disc; 10.4-in disc, ABS
WHEELS, F;R 6.5 x 17-in cast aluminum
TIRES, F;R 215/50R17 91H (M+S) Michelin Energy Saver A/S
DIMENSIONS
WHEELBASE 102.4 in
TRACK, F/R 59.1/59.1 in
LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT 164.0 x 69.5 x 62.8 in
TURNING CIRCLE 35.4 ft
CURB WEIGHT 3,548 lb
WEIGHT DIST, F/R 56/44%
SEATING CAPACITY 5
HEADROOM, F/R 39.7/37.9 in
LEGROOM, F/R 41.6/36.5 in
SHOULDER ROOM, F/R 54.6/52.8 in
CARGO VOL BEH F/R 56.6/16.9 cu ft
TEST DATA
ACCELERATION TO MPH
0-30 2.7 sec
0-40 3.7
0-50 4.9
0-60 6.3
0-70 8.1
0-80 10.2
0-90 12.8
PASSING, 45-65 MPH 2.9
QUARTER MILE 14.9 sec @ 93.1 mph
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 132 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.77 g (avg)
MT FIGURE EIGHT 27.6 sec @ 0.64 g (avg)
TOP-GEAR REVS @ 60 MPH 5,800 rpm
CONSUMER INFO
BASE PRICE $37,495*
PRICE AS TESTED $41,780*
STABILITY/TRACTION CONTROL Yes/Yes
AIRBAGS Dual front, f/r side, f/r curtain, front knee
BASIC WARRANTY 3 yrs/36,000 miles
POWERTRAIN WARRANTY 8 yrs/100,000 miles
ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE 8 yrs/100,000 miles
BATTERY CAPACITY 60 kWh
REAL MPG, CITY/HWY/COMB 28.6/26.3/27.8 kW-hrs/100 miles
EPA CITY/HWY/COMB ECON 128/110/119 mpg-e
ENERGY CONS, CITY/HWY 26/31 kW-hrs/100 miles
CO2 EMISSIONS, COMB 0.00 lb/mile (at vehicle)
RECOMMENDED FUEL 110-volt, 220-volt electricity
*Before applicable tax rebates

General Motors press release:

CHEVROLET BOLT EV IS MOTOR TREND CAR OF THE YEAR®
Fourth MOTOR TREND award in three years for Chevrolet
2016-11-14

Chevrolet Bolt EV Cutaway

Chevrolet Bolt EV Cutaway

LOS ANGELES – MOTOR TREND has recognized the Chevrolet Bolt EV — the all-new affordable electric vehicle offering an EPA-estimated 238 miles of range on a full charge — as its 2017 Car of the Year®.

The editors based their selection on the Bolt EV’s performance in six evaluation categories: advancement in design, engineering excellence, efficiency, safety, value and performance of intended function.

“Chevrolet is the fastest-growing full-line retail brand in the industry thanks to an exceptional vehicle lineup, which includes ground-breaking products like the Bolt EV,” said Alan Batey, president of GM North America and Global Chevrolet brand chief. “Being recognized once again as MOTOR TREND Car of the Year is a great honor for the entire Chevrolet team.”

It is the fourth MOTOR TREND award for Chevrolet in three years, with the Camaro recognized as the 2016 Car of the Year and Colorado named the 2015 and 2016 Truck of the Year.

“Chevrolet is on a roll with new and compelling vehicles that have reset the bar for trucks in 2015, trucks and sports cars in 2016, and for 2017, electric cars,” said Ed Loh, MOTOR TREND Editor-in-Chief. “The Bolt EV is certainly a game changing vehicle and we look forward to seeing whether we’ll be recognizing another Chevrolet next year in our annual awards.”

About Bolt EV

With an EPA-estimated range of 238 miles, Bolt EV owners can expect to go beyond their average daily driving needs with range to spare, when charging regularly.

The manufacturer’s suggested retail price of $37,495 includes destination and freight charges, but excludes tax, title, license and dealer fees. Depending on individual tax situations, customers may receive an available federal tax credit of up to $7,500.

Standard features include electronic precision shift, Regen on Demand™ steering wheel paddle and 10.2-inch-diagonal color touch screen. The top-trim Premier model adds leather-appointed seats, front and rear heated seats, Surround Vision, Rear Camera Mirror and more.

 

 

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252 Comments on "Chevrolet Bolt Beats Tesla Model S To Capture Motor Trend Car Of The Year Award"

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floydboy
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floydboy

Currently alone in the ‘affordable’ 200+ mile pure electric field. Congratulations!?

jimijonjack
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jimijonjack

So the Bolt Is Now a Better Car than The Tesla Model “S” …L M F A O…..YOU F00LS!

bro1999
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bro1999

Didn’t take long for the Tesla zealots to chime in. Lol

WadeTyhon
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WadeTyhon

I dunno… there is a big difference between a Tesla fan and this guy. Real fans of Tesla represent the admirable mission of Tesla to expand the electric vehicle options.

jimijonjack is more like a homeless man screaming on a street corner that aliens are among us and only a Tesla can save us from our extraterrestrial legacy automaker overlords and their mind control that have come to steal our precious bodily fluids and replace them with fossil fuels.

ffbj
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ffbj

Poe, ope. I would drop a dime in his change jar. Sometimes those guys crying loudly on street corners are right.–Jack D. Ripper.

Congrats to Chevy and the Bolt, though for the car of the year for 2016 there seems to a dearth of them on the road.
I suppose that was not one the necessary qualifications that they must actually be out, in production and for sale.

Kdawg
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Kdawg

It’s COTR for 2017

ffbj
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ffbj
WadeTyhon
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WadeTyhon

Car of the Year 2017 I assume he meant. 🙂 Those darn R’s and T’s are too close together on the keyboard.

Though Coin of the Realm would be fine. I would be OK if the Chevy Bolt EV were so plentiful and held its value so well that it could be traded as currency.

We should be seeing Bolts on the roads this time next month. If the early reviews and awards are any indication, we are going to have a lot of new EV evangelists out there soon.

ffbj
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ffbj

True. Thanks. Yes it, The Bolt, certainly will not hurt ev awareness.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

I have a strong suspicion that jimijonjack is actually Elon trolling fans of EVs not named Tesla. 😉

Nix
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Nix

Sven —

Only a truly mentally deranged anti-Tesla troll would believe that.

Not that I think you actually believe that. Like most of your posts about Tesla. Like most typical trolls, you likely don’t even believe what you put in your post is actually true.

But I could be wrong, you might be that mentally deranged.

So which is it, are you mentally deranged, or do you just write intellectually dishonest posts that even you don’t believe?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

Nix,

You can’t possibly be that dumb. I know that you’re a little slow, but I’ll try to explain it so that even someone like you can understand.

😉 = sarcasm

Don’t get your panties in a bunch. Jimijonjack understood that my lighthearted, absurd comment was sarcasm and took no offense, as opposed to other comments in this sub-thread to which he did take offense (see his comment directly below this one). Yet you’re outraged, huffing and puffing about me being a troll and being mentally deranged. Take a good hard look in the mirror if you want to see a “typical troll.”

Nix
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Nix

Sven — I don’t know how DE09 is supposed to equal sarcasm, or even what DE09 is supposed to be an acronym for. DE09 doesn’t even show up in urban dictionary. I have no idea what you are even talking about.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

That is 16 bit Unicode (hex): System UTF-16, Representation D8 3D DE 09. I don’t know what OS (Linix?), browser, add-ons, or device you’re using, but both my Windows 10 laptop and my iOS 10 iPhone show a wink emoji and not DE09. In my comments above, I typed “;” and “)” with no space in between which should display a wink emoji in WordPress, and if IIRC adding a dash for a nose would not display an wink emoji on InsideEVs implementation of WordPress (but would display on other sites using WordPress).

See Surrogates tab:
http://apps.timwhitlock.info/unicode/inspect?s=%F0%9F%98%89

See Representations subsection:
https://codepoints.net/U+1F609?lang=en

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
AlphaEdge
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AlphaEdge

Even if the smiley does not show on your browser, I find it hard to believe you thought he was serious.

Just a lame opportunity by you to make a jab at him because you disagree with him.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

sven said:

“…my lighthearted, absurd comment was sarcasm…”

Ah, he’s trying to use the “HA HA HA, I was just joking!” defense.

You’re right, Nix. sven is most likely too smart to believe his own B.S. But yes, it’s possible he is mentally deranged.

jimijonjack
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jimijonjack

Wade Tyhon, You must be severely Retarded to make such a comments…Go Get Help.

WadeTyhon
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WadeTyhon

I’m starting to wonder if you’re a child… are you in 5th grade? 6th? Do your parents own a Tesla?

If not, then you are doing your supposed favorite car brand and EV’s in general a disservice by your childish statements, poor grammar, and closed mind.

Some day you’ll realize that saying to someone on the internet they are “Retarded to make such a comments” makes you look bad, not me. 🙂

Here, you desperately need this if you no longer want people to view your posts as a joke:

https://www.commonsensemedia.org/blog/7-rules-to-teach-kids-online-etiquette

Until you can effectively communicate, I don’t intend to respond to you directly again.

jimijonjack
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jimijonjack

You have now confirmed my belief that you are indeed , in need of much help ..seek therapy ,they can help you fix what ever is ailing you..or at least make it better.

jimijonjack
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jimijonjack

Zealot, For All the Right Reasons!

zzzzzzzzzz
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zzzzzzzzzz

Dear Cult members, I love you – Elon

ffbj
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Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

That might be better coming from someone who’s not a member of the cult of anti-Tesla serial FUDsters.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

Your comment might be better if it came from someone who’s not a member of the cult of Tesla Fanboiz. 😉

Nick
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Nick

Bawahahaha!

Says sven. 😀

You can’t repel irony of this magnitude!

In any case, I think is was widely expected the Bolt would win after the matchup was announced.

The Model S had already won once, and the Bolt is simply awesome. 🙂

Thanks!

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

I admire Tesla Motors for its actual achievements, as well as its vision. That’s not a cult.

You anti-Tesla cultists only pretend to hate Tesla, to support your greedy desire to profit on short-selling your Tesla stocks. You copy each other’s posts and pretend to believe in anti-Tesla conspiracy theories. Sure looks like a cult to me!

So you can quit playing the false equivalency card.

jimijonjack
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jimijonjack

They are just Envious because they Can’t afford to buy a Tesla , So they resort to Bad Mouthing the people Tesla Fans .

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

I’m sure Model S owners are looking forward to meeting you in person at a Supercharger when you get your Model 3 that you put a deposit on. 😀

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

Oh Poo-poo, you fail to give me the validation that I so desperately crave. 🙁

I strongly suspect that you were rejected or kicked out of the Scientology Cult, and only then latched on to the Tesla Fanboi Cult to give you both a sense of belonging and an outlet to quench your insatiable thirst for zealotry. Denial is not a river in Egypt. You seem to relish, even revel in, making ad hominem attacks on anyone who dares to even mildly criticize Tesla, even if it’s constructive criticism. I feel sorry for you. 🙁

FYI, I’ve never shorted Tesla stock or any other stock. You seem to be paranoid delusional with regards accusing dozens of commenters on this forum of shorting Tesla stock. I strongly suggest that you seek out profession help for your mental problems.

AlphaEdge
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AlphaEdge

> you fail to give me the validation that I so desperately crave.

Sven, he gave it to me once, because I said something positive about Tesla, not that I was ‘craving’ for it.

Why can’t I like Tesla around here, without getting acceptance by the fanboys?

I would sooner be thought of the anti-Tesla shorter than to belong to that camp.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

sven claimed:

“I’ve never shorted Tesla stock or any other stock.”

Is there any reason any informed person would actually believe that, coming from you?

You’ve certainly exposed a very deep interest in Tesla’s finances, in the post linked here:

http://insideevs.com/tesla-factory-tours-reveal-stunning-progress/#comment-811540

Certainly a deeper interest than mine. Who but an investor would spend so much time examining Tesla’s finances?

And you repeatedly parrot anti-Tesla FUD, short-sellers’ conspiracy theories, and even outright anti-Tesla smear campaigns.

As they say: “If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it’s a duck.”

Your claims to be a Tesla-loving swan keep getting sabotaged by your serial short-selling FUDster quacking.

Waiting
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Waiting

I’m sorry, what company opened up all their EV technology patents to the world? Ever since, EV manufacturing has exploded after those patterns were released. That’s not cultism, that’s fact.

Congrats to GM for having the infrastructure to make it 200+ mile EV readily available to the public. The Bolt will fit a lot of people’s needs. Any EV that we can get on the street will clean up the environment and hopefully our grandchildren will be able to continue breathing clean air. It’s a win-win.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

Not a single auto manufacturer took Tesla up on its offer and actually used any of intellectual property contained in those patents. To claim otherwise is cult worship. Just sayin’.

Kdawg
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Kdawg

Yes, the Bolt EV is. Try buying a new Model S for $29,995.

“The editors based their selection on the Bolt EV’s performance in six evaluation categories: advancement in design, engineering excellence, efficiency, safety, value and performance of intended function.”

Taser54
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Taser54

You really need to step away from your UFOs and learn some people skills.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Hear, hear!

Rick Danger
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Rick Danger

This coming from Mr Personality himself…

SparkEV
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Bolt is better than Tesla S when you take price into consideration. In price-performance-range product metric, Bolt scores about 20% better than even Tesla P90DL (about 1050 Bolt vs 800 Tesla P90DL). Bolt scores higher than any EV on the market today (yes, even SparkEV). Scroll down to “Bolt news” in this blog post.

http://sparkev.blogspot.com/2015/09/ev-ranking.html

Actually Bolt does even better since that’s using 6.5 sec for 0-60 instead of 6.3 that MT tested. If you have $30K to spend on a car, Bolt offers best bang for the buck of any EV (until Tesla 3).

Nick
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Nick

Depending on how valuable quick charging is to you.

If you want to travel in your car, the Bolt has a huge disadvantage.

Otherwise, the Bolt is a great value.

AlphaEdge
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AlphaEdge

Can’t wait to see your chart in a few years, when more 200+ mile competition is on the roads.

Who knows, we might actually see come competitive discounts by then also.

René Labrecque
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René Labrecque

For my needs? YES.

Victor
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Victor

I am sure the Toyota Mirai was a close second.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Oh, snap! 😛

John
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John

I’ll take mine in black!

Jay Cole
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+1

/wisdom

ClarksonCote
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They must’ve tested a black one with that impressive 0-60 time. 😉

Jay Cole
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As I have said many times before (which makes it more accurate), black EVs are faster and have greater ranges…

/science

Nix
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Nix

Finally some meaningful discussion in this thread!

Because it’s actually red that’s faster.

*duck*

/sarc (for the sarcasm challenged)

AlphaEdge
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AlphaEdge

Too bad I like White, and prefer a cooler interior in the summer.

/science 😉

przemo_li
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przemo_li

That orange from prototype was great.

But as anything in prototype it was picket for the PR value and not doablility.

Though luck 🙁

Kdawg
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Kdawg

It appears “ORANGE BURST METALLIC” is a color option on the Bolt EV site.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

Ironically, ORANGE BURST METALLIC is also the shade of spray tan used by President-elect Trump. 😀

Stuart22
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Stuart22

I’m leaning toward orange too. I’d have the wheels powdercoated dark metallic grey to ditto-match the grille color. To give it a more business like look.

HVACman
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HVACman

No, that was umpa-loompa-orange spray tan.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

I stand corrected! LOL!

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

OMG, you’re right!

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ffbj
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ffbj

There is a certain brute logic to this.

ffbj
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ffbj

Color comparison:

Trumps Tonic

WadeTyhon
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WadeTyhon

Nightfall Gray for me please! Black cars are so early 20th century… Gray is the new Black.

SparkEV
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Watch what you say. Jay’s going to ban you for such heresy. Best is black car that looks grey. 😉

MTN Ranger
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MTN Ranger

The Bolt EV is starting to rack up the awards like the original Volt.

floydboy
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floydboy

What awards besides this one has it won so far.

bro1999
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bro1999

Gonna need to add some more “bolts” to the award shelf at GM HQ so it doesn’t collapse from all the awards they receive. Lol

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

I see what you did there. LOL! 😀

instant tq
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instant tq

that is very subtle

jimijonjack
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jimijonjack

GM could be “Buying” These awards for all we know..Lets Not Be So Naive & gullible…

bro1999
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bro1999

Like when Tesla bought the 2013 MT Car of the Year award? Right?

Big Solar
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Big Solar

Well, GM is known to have done shady things in the past and they are also pulling some stunts right now. Not sure about Telsl.

bro1999
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bro1999

Replace “GM” with “Tesla” and your statement also stands.

floydboy
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floydboy

Equating Tesla and GM on shadiness is some serious reaching. Sounds like that was just a knee-jerk reaction.?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

Cough, cough, SolarCity bailout, cough, cough, cough. 😉

ffbj
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ffbj

You really should do something about that cough. Reminds of a character from
“Midnight Cowboy”. He died.

ffbj
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ffbj

Lets see what I have on file in this regard:
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ffbj
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ffbj

Maybe this one:

Salty Bob

Kdawg
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Kdawg

I read that jimijonjack is actually paid by Tesla for every anti-Bolt post he makes. We shouldn’t just accept what he types. Lets Not Be So Naive & gullible.

jimijonjack
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jimijonjack

No No no …My services are Gratis …LMAO

Kdawg
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Kdawg

That sounds like something someone on the Tesla payroll would say. How naive & gullible do you think we are? Do you get a Mode 3 discount for bashing all other EVs? How much are they paying you.

(actually to do my post justice, I should have mixed in moRE CAPS and punctuation!!?!)

Stuart22
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Stuart22

What he is actually doing is to drive sensible people away from supporting at company whose fanbase churns out crap on a continual, record-skipping basis

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Kdawg said:

“(actually to do my post justice, I should have mixed in moRE CAPS and punctuation!!?!)”

I’m sorry, but FAIL. Even your pretended tinfoil hat posts here express coherent thought, which is more than any of EVnut/jimijonjack’s posts ever have.

ffbj
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ffbj

Evidence is lacking to support such a conjecture, since, no offense, Tesla would certainly use someone more adept and conciliatory, rather than abrupt, intrusive,…(add adjective here). So, apriori your argument fails.

EVGuy
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Are you admitting that Tesla bought their awards, too? LMFAO

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Well, as they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day, and a valid point may occasionally emerge from the babbling of a tinfoil hatter.

Some of these “car of the year” awards are available to the highest bidder. I hope that the more prominent ones, such as this Motor Trend one, are not.

https://consumerist.com/2010/05/10/can-you-trust-those-awards-you-see-in-auto-ads/

Mister G
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Mister G

Hey GM are you gonna crush Bolt once EV regulations are abolished?

Kdawg
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Kdawg

How would that be possible when people will OWN the vehicles? This isn’t a lease program to test the waters. You may have forgotten, but they already sell 3 other plugins, Volt, ELR, and Spark EV.

Mister G
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Mister G

Let me elaborate, will GM place EV production on back burner without government regs. I’m betting they will and just blame it on weak demand for EV

Spider-Dan
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Spider-Dan

When GM has a backlog of EVs that they won’t fulfill, then I will happily agree with your objection.

However, the reality we live in is that after making what was (at the time) the most awarded car in North American automaker history, GM had of thousands of Volts sitting on lots, and had to shut down a production line due to lack of demand. That is not GM trying to suffocate the EV market… rather, the opposite.

WadeTyhon
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WadeTyhon

I can understand this attitude in 2007 when Chevy first announced the Volt. But they have more than proven their commitment to electric vehicles at this point.

The only crushing GM intends to do is the competition. 😉 Admit it, you’re totally crushing on the Bolt EV right now. And I don’t know about you, but I could go for a cool glass of Orange (Burst Metallic) Crush soda.

ItsNotAboutTheMoney
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ItsNotAboutTheMoney

Exactly.

GM iterated on the 1st generation of the Volt, then launched a second generation of the Volt which was really better in every way and is the top-selling PHEV in the USA. It’s now built the first affordable long-range BEV, which seems to have a very well designed powertrain.

It also tried and failed with the ELR, and responded by developing the CT6 PHEV instead.(C = China :p) It has also added the Malibu Hybrid, which made use of the redesigned Voltec transmission.

GM’s plug-ins are also not slugs, and the 2nd Gen Volt improved on the EV performance particularly in the area of low-speed pep.

Clearly in terms of development, GM is taking PEVs very seriously. The only question is in terms of commitment on the customer side. The least people can do is wait until _after_ the Bolt has been on the market for a while before questioning commitment.

WadeTyhon
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WadeTyhon

Totally agree! Customers will come around. Chevy has a great line-up. The Volt, Spark and Bolt have all exceeded reasonable expectations for performance and efficiency.

The next logical conclusion following the CT6 Plug In and Malibu Hybrid is hybrid or PHEV Trucks and SUVs.

William
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William

The only thing GM will be crushing on the Bolt, is customer expectations on recharging once they get out of town on a road trip. Lack of support by existing DC/Combo Fast Chargers is going to have to change quickly. I hope the Fast Charger rollout, that is being planned by Washington, is not going to lag the significant outset of Bolt sales numbers.

BenG
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BenG

You think the fast charger roll-out announced by the Obama administration will survive the transition to President Trump? I doubt it.

ffbj
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ffbj

True, Trumps rogues gallery of right-wing disgraced political hacks, does not inspire confidence that forward looking programs in the energy section, or any other sector, will be continued. Though many may have thought them dead and buried but like unkillable zombies, they have no hearts, they have risen once again to plague humanity.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

But isn’t investing in and rebuilding infrastructure the main pillar in President-elect Trump’s plan to “Make America Great Again?” ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nix
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Nix

Is there some secret decades old EV charging infrastructure that I don’t know about that needs to be “rebuilt” and “made great again”?

Trump has no interest in building out new green technology, and never ran on that.

What he did run on was rebuilding old fossil fuel technology with some blurry eyed romance back to the days before any regulations on fossil fuels. Where coal and oil could profit all they want without regulations on how much they pollute.

Have you even been paying any attention at all to what Trump has been saying?

SparkEV
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If you only see EV for being green, of course there’s no point in EV or infrastructure. But see it as next generation of cars being led by US companies, and making EV and EV infrastructure makes plenty sense.

Indeed, preaching EV as only for green turns off many who don’t see climate change as a problem. Preach EV as great cars that are better than existing ones AND made in US, and there’s solid case for everyone, including Dump supporters.

Open-Mind
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Open-Mind

“…there’s solid case for everyone, including Dump supporters.”

There also a case for not insulting half the USA at every opportunity. We ignorant irredeemable racist sexist Islamophobic homophobic antisemitic deplorable fly-over Dump-supporting bigots have feelings too.

And we also buy EVs.

Juniper Universe
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Juniper Universe

Trump could decide to build out a hydrogen
infrastructure which could circumvent our
BEV revolution, allowing the criminal FF
industry to retain control of our government
and our wallets all paid for with our tax
dollars.

SparkEV
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Even if Dump could build out H infrastructure, there’s still the matter of cost. People won’t buy H cars that cost more to fuel than gas cars. You just can’t get away from economics.

Another Euro point of view
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Another Euro point of view

Have you received my CO2 & NoX package yet ? You seem in need of it.

Bacardi
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Bacardi

United States regulations…

Taser54
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Taser54

Hey Mister, do you even own an EV?

Mister G
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Mister G

On September 2012 leased a 2012 Leaf SL for 39 months, $328 per month, $3000.00 cash. On January 2016 leased 2016 Leaf SV for 36 months, $321 per month, $1500.00 cash. And I sent Tesla $1000 for model 3. So yes I do and I put my money where my mouth is…your turn same question.

Josh Bryant
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Congrats GM on winning the award! Definitely deserved.

I actually just heard a local Houston radio ad read by a local TV personality, announcing this award. Maybe GM will spend a little more promoting the Bolt.

Unfortunately there won’t be Bolts in Houston for at least 6 – 12 months. 2017 Volts just arrived a few months ago. Maybe the name confusion will be a good thing for GM.

Martin Welzl
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3.500 pounds / 1’600kg are just so impressive for a car with a 60 kWh battery.
And they didn’t even mention weight too much and a large portion of the car is steel. Incredible how far weve come in so little time.

Scott
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Scott

Has anyone taken delivery yet?

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Very doubtful that any actual production car is in the hands of a retail customer, as of yet. Production of the car only started about 10 days ago.

We’ll probably see an article here at InsideEVs when the first retail sale actually occurs.

http://insideevs.com/production-begins-2017-chevrolet-bolt/

unlucky
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unlucky

It’s also possible that GM is holding the built cars for a simultaneous release of a sort.

I personally am a bit skeptical of why to do this, but if you look up every person on the net who says they have a build date for “their” car it is between November 24th and 28th. There’s no way that’s true unless GM is holding earlier built cars for a little bit of a simultaneous release.

And then of course there is the significant possibility that the dates given are just BS.

Either way, as you said no customer has received one yet.

Fred Gibutr
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Fred Gibutr

The Tesla cult is out in force apparently. Of course the Bolt won. It actually exists and is available now – not in 2018 – maybe. Also has better styling and range than the Model 3.

floydboy
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floydboy

Now you’re just prodding. They compared it to Model S and X, not model 3, because we don’t have final specs for Model 3. Bolt better looking than Model 3?! Well, if you prefer the plain looking girl with horned rim glasses and sensible shoes, then ok. Me, I’m kind of partial to the beautiful, racy type in Ray Bans and high heels.

Maybe it’s the GM crew that’s out in force today??

Kdawg
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Kdawg

To continue your metaphor by comparing the interiors, the Bolt EV is a smart girl with a very high IQ, where the Model 3 has nothing between the ears. 😀

(before you talk about AP, remember, I’m comparing the interiors)

bro1999
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bro1999

The one Model 3 that was available for public viewing at the Gigafactory literally had nothing between the ears….it was just a hollow shell with melting side mirros. 😀

floydboy
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floydboy

Well, with Bolt, there’s definitely the possibility of more “junk in her trunk”!?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sir Sven Mix-A-Lot
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sir Sven Mix-A-Lot

It’s true, the Bolt Got Back. Most prefer a big booty, over putting “junk in the frunk.”

I like big butts and I can not lie
You other brothers can’t deny
That when a EV drives by with an itty-bitty hood
And a big hatch back in your face
You get sprung, want to pull up tough
‘Cause you notice that butt was stuffed
Deep in the sheet metal she’s wearing
I’m hooked and I can’t stop staring.

😀

Mister G
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Mister G

BABY GOT BACK LOL

Steven
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Steven

Better range? I challenge it to a 400 mile drive against me Model X. I bet I get there while it’s still stuck at a 50kW charger around mile 180, assuming it can find one, and doesn’t mind paying $20/hour for using it, if it’s working.

Kdawg
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Kdawg

He was talking about the Model 3, which is not what the Bolt EV is up against, since the Model 3 does not exist at this point.

bro1999
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bro1999

I might take that bet. Odds are your FWD will get stuck open or some other malfunction will occur that will compensate for the Bolt’s slower charging rate. Lol

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

That’s a bet you’d often lose, lest you follow the prescribed Supercharger routes.

Bacardi
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Bacardi

You’d be in the extreme minority to think the Bolt EV has better styling than the TM3, but hey, there are some who think super models are ugly and prefer thicker gals…375K preorders to 30K projected worldwide annual sales…

Range isn’t officially known, only a goal and while doubtful Musk could decide to beat the Bolt in range…There will be different battery sizes which will beat the Bolt EV in range…

Kdawg
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Kdawg

For a price… don’t forget that metric, as it is probably the most important one at this point.

Bacardi
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Bacardi

But we don’t know until we know, Musk showed his poker hand first by mentioning a goal of 215, he now sees what the Bolt EV he may (or may not) get the range up enough to beat the Bolt EV…He could release the TM3 with 240 miles of range then the next model year Bolt gets 250…So many unknowns…

Kdawg
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Kdawg

But we already know the price for simply unlocking 15kWH more in a Tesla vehicle. It’s $8,500. That would be a 25% increase in the price of a Model 3.. just for that 1 option.

Bacardi
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Bacardi

$8,500/15 = $566kWh…Many expect the TM3’s base/215+ battery to be 55KWH, $566×55 = $31,130…Quite an expensive battery for a $35K car…Tesla most likely will have a fixed base battery, a high range battery and mid range that can be software unlocked to high…

floydboy
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floydboy

LOL! I must admit, “thicker gals” is a much more direct assessment than mine! Drives the point home nicely!?

Stuart22
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Stuart22

How will Musk manage to get people to continue buying a Model S 60/75 if he also offers a Model 3 with similar (or better) range for $20k less?

BenG
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BenG

Well, the 60 will be discontinued, obviously.

Bacardi
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Bacardi

Why buy a 7 series BMW when you could buy a 2 series?

Why buy a Rolls Royce when you could buy a $59.97 Huffy bicycle?

Kdawg
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Kdawg

This is just hyperbole in response to an actual question. The difference between a Model 3 and a low-range Model S is not enough to account for the price premium. And Tesla just raised the price of the Model S again.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

It’s absolutely not hyperbole at all.

The original question is silly, as Bacardi pointed out. It’s as silly as asking “Who would buy a ~300-350 mile range $81.5k BMW 7-Series gasmobile, when they could buy a $16,780 Nissan Sentra which also gets ~300-350 miles on a tank of gas?”

It may well be that Tesla will discontinue the S60 as soon as the M≡ actually goes on sale. But that doesn’t mean the market for upscale BEVs will suddenly disappear. Sure, BEVs are going to compete on range and on price. But just like gasmobiles, they’ll also compete on comfort, roominess, luxury options, and other characteristics.

Kdawg
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Kdawg

Comparing a Rolls Royce to a Huffy isn’t hyperbole?

Bacardi
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Bacardi

That’s why I used two questions…

Spider-Dan
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Spider-Dan

The Model 3 doesn’t actually exist yet, so you cannot make that comparison.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

Why buy a bottle of Bacardi when you could buy a bottle of Captain Morgan? 😉

Full disclosure, I much prefer Havana Club rum or most any premium rum over Bacardi and Captain Morgan. Life’s too short to drink bad rum! 😀

ffbj
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ffbj

A corollary would be that bad rum will shorten your life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzcv5TJkJBA

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Fred Gibutr said:

“The Tesla cult is out in force apparently.”

Hmmm, seems to me the only “cult” here is the anti-Tesla cult. We Tesla Motors fanboys are fans because we admire Tesla’s actual achievements and its vision. What motivates you anti-Tesla cult members? Greed and envy?

You might note there is a difference between the Tesla Model S, which is what this article mentions, and the Model ≡, which is what you’re talking about. And if you don’t think the M≡ will also win the Motor Trend Car of the Year award in a year or two, as the Model S did back in 2013… then I have some riverfront property in central Florida to sell you! 😉

Stuart22
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Stuart22

I do admit to being one of many ‘Anti-Tesla Cult’ cult members. Don’t confuse us with being Anti-Tesla.

Kdawg
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Kdawg

“What motivates you anti-Tesla cult members?”
———
I get annoyed by the knee-jerk reactions to anything even slightly criticizing Tesla, even if it’s constructive criticism. The cult member then usually followed up with personal attacks and conspiracy theories.

Why can we just honestly discuss Tesla’s strengths AND weaknesses without the histrionics?

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu
Seriously, are you trying to shoehorn me into a supposed “Tesla cult” category? I certainly don’t put you in the anti-Tesla cult category. You’re clearly a GM supporter, but that doesn’t make you a GM “cultist”. Sure, I’m a fan of Tesla Motors. But hopefully you’ve noticed that doesn’t stop me from taking Elon Musk to task for his faults, nor from taking Tesla Motors to task for their hype and their occasional persistence in mistakes. Yeah, there are a very few who I would put in the category of a “Tesla cult”. You can see one of ’em at TeslaMondo.com. But admiring Tesla Motors for its achievements — real-world achievements, not just vaporware and wishful thinking — and admiring Tesla for its vision, does not make one a “cultist”. There seems to be a mean-spirited attempt by several here to pigeonhole someone as a “cultist” just because he’s a fan. Would they describe a sports fan as a “cultist”? I’ve seen behavior from sports fans which is far more rabidly fanatic about “their team” than any post I’ve ever seen from a Tesla Motors fan, even from a cheerleader like TeslaMondo. Does that make such sports fans “cultists”? I… Read more »
Kdawg
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Kdawg

I wasn’t referring to you, or anyone specifically. I was responding to your question, and describing what annoys be about the super-fans that put their fingers in their ears when someone brings up anything negative about Tesla.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

Pu-Pu said:
“Seriously, are you trying to shoehorn me into a supposed ‘Tesla cult’ category?”

HaHaHaHaHa! That’s the funniest thing that I’ve read all day! 😀 You’re the poster boy for the Tesla Cult. It’s like they say: “Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.”

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Thank you for confirming what I said: That there is no “Tesla cult” here, but there certainly is an anti-Tesla cult here!

And you are competing quite hard to be the leader, sven.

Nix
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Nix

Kdawg — Then who EXACTLY are you talking about then, because if you don’t mean Pushy, are you talking about ME?? Who exactly are these “superfans” posting here that you are talking about?

Because I spend a ton of time defending pretty much every single EV car maker from brainless FUD, including Tesla. Do you have a problem with me bashing down lying FUD spreaders who are out to spread misinformation about EV’s (including Tesla EV’s)?

In case you haven’t noticed, whether the EV’s are built to Tesla, or GM, or Nissan, or Karma, or BMW, or etc, there are a ton of posts that are simply factually wrong, and even more that are INTENTIONALLY wrong.

Do you have a problem with me refuting those falsehoods in Tesla stories, along with in other stories for other car makers?

The Voice of Reason
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The Voice of Reason

You do make plenty of ad hominem (personal) attacks in this forum. You can also be very aggressive and downright hostile to people that you disagree with, in an apparent effort to cyber bully them (your treatment of Bill H. comes to mind). You’ve also been called out for this type of behavior before.

Here is a post directed at you by Phr≡d that it appears you missed.
http://insideevs.com/toyota-prius-prime-priced-from-27950-in-u-s-epa-estimates-released/#comment-1051440

Here are two posts by Taser54 calling you out for personally attacking him.
http://insideevs.com/elon-musk-issues-mass-email-tesla-employees-congrats-q3-push-stop-selling-new-cars-discount/#comment-1043130

Nix
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Nix

so-called “Voice of Reason”

You don’t believe there are any trolls that post here? And that nobody has made intellectually dishonest posts that need to be called out?

Get Real
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Get Real

The so-called “Voice of Reason” new username here is almost certainly sven posting again under another username which I’m pretty sure he does a lot.

After all, just in this thread he has already carpet-bombed 23 posts (and counting) which might be a new record.

He’s probably still on a manic high from his man Trump’s surprise victory which sven is also constantly trying to work into these discussions almost as much as his constant Tesla bashing which he always denies but is so apparent its beyond plausible denial.

Perhaps another reason he likes Trump so much because he imitates his cynical blow-hard blustering?

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Yeah, “the voice of reason” is probably a sock-puppet alias for sven.

I remember one time when sven linked to several of my InsideEVs comments when making a (strangely pointless) pejorative attack on me, so clearly he “takes notes” for future reference.

Sadly, it seems quite in character for sven to use a sock-puppet post here. His intellectual dishonesty is pretty complete.

Alan
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Alan

Congrats to GM for producing a great car, when do they ramp up production of this limited edition vehicle though ?

Anyone on here actually had confirmation that they can get one and when ?

Homebrew
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Homebrew

My dealer here in California has an initial allocation of ~50 Bolts. I jumped in the first day to reserve one and am number 33. Chevy reports mine is due to be built Nov 23. I’m hoping for a nice Holiday!

Another Euro point of view
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Another Euro point of view

As a side note, I hope they will allocate a good quantity of its Euro counterpart (the AmperaE) to Norway. I am not sure GM realizes how many they could sell there. Just take the eGolf Norwegian’s sales figures and multiply by 1.5 for an estimate, that is about 10,000 units per year for one single European country. I would not be surprised fort GM to manage to sell 30K AmperaE in Europe per year should the logistics be good. It is more of an Euro car than a US car by design.

Alan
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Alan

Alas we will not be getting them here in the UK but it wouldn’t have surprised me if they sold more than 50K a year here should they change their mind,

Mitsubishi are selling more than 10K a year of my Outlander PHEV.

As you say, shorter distances to drive and expensive fuel + decent infrastructure = big EV market !

Kdawg
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Kdawg

Didn’t someone estimate something like 3,000 to Europe for 2017 to start?

VS
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VS

3000 are waiting lists for Norway alone. Opel can sell anything GM could produce of this car.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

A previous InsideEVs article estimated that only about 5000 Bolts will be sent to Europe during this first year of production, to be sold as the Ampera-e.

We can hope that will greatly increase in future years, but realistically, why would GM choose to increase production of a car with what is almost certainly a significantly lower profit margin than its best-selling gasmobiles?

http://insideevs.com/opel-announces-ampera-e-chevrolet-bolt-ev-2017/

Another Euro point of view
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Another Euro point of view

Yes indeed but I expect GM’s small $15K Opel Corsa’s are also sold with little margins and yet GM (Opel) sells probably around 200K of them every year in Europe (total sales Opel/Vauxhall: 935K units in 2015). I expect it is very hard for GM to assess the demand for a car which is basically the first in its class to come to market (200 miles range & less than $40K). 2017 will be rich in information on actual demand for such a car (hoping we see gen. 2 Leaf coming soon to also give us info on EV demand).

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Well, I certainly hope the Ampera-e will be a huge success, and it would be great if it becomes the best-selling EV in Europe… or even one of the best-selling cars in Europe! (Hey, as long as we’re dreaming…)

But what does GM want? It priced the European version of the Volt, the Ampera, about twice as high as the American Volt. That seems to be a deliberate policy of making sure the car fails to sell.

I very much hope GM will give the Ampera-e a price comparable to the Bolt, and I very much hope GM will increase production of the Bolt/Ampera-e to match demand. Unfortunately, GM’s rather spotty history — not all bad — with selling PEVs (Plug-in EVs) doesn’t give me all that much confidence in either of those things happening.

Here’s hoping GM gives me a pleasant surprise! 🙂

William
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William

The Bolt was the obvious choice among the list of contenders. But, the long range EV does not stand alone without an adequate fueling (charging) system in place. Drivers need robust fast charge accommodations for their intermittent and sporadic needs. GM is doing a huge “cart before the horse” senario on this Bolt launch. I think GM corporate is just trying to sell cars off the lot, doing a huge disservice to the true viablity of the long range user experience. The Bolt is a welcome improvement, but I think GM can be rest assured, that the Bolt will not steal much if any of the Tesla Model 3 thunder next year on the award podium. There has to be a benchmark, and let’s hope that Tesla is all in next year before Chevy gets more than 50 k of these “welcome (to EV) wagons” on the road.

Kdawg
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Kdawg

You’re assuming there will be a Model 3 next year. Color me pessimistic. I hope I’m wrong.

floydboy
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floydboy

Don’t worry you will be.?

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

I personally don’t think the impending disaster of the Trumpian administration will be bad enough to prevent the Model ≡ from entering production, if that’s what you’re thinking.

But I could be wrong.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Oh, you just meant it’s questionable that the M≡ will enter production in 2017, as opposed to 2018 or later. I agree that is a real concern.

[Miss Emily Litella voice:] Nevermind!

Kdawg
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Kdawg

Yes, this. I have a reservation, but I give a 10% chance I’ll be invited to order my Model 3 in the next 12 months.

Steven
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Steven

Drive it up and down the East Coast and tell me it’s the best car available. I’ll wait two weeks for you to finish the drive, go ahead…

Bacardi
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Bacardi

A private jet, even better if we get to join the mile high club…

Kdawg
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Kdawg

Ew, who would want to drive up & down the whole East Coast?

Texas FFE
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Texas FFE

I think this is some of the best advertising Chevrolet and EVs in general could get. Maybe the Bolt winning out over ALL ICE cars will get gear heads that never look at EVs before start start looking seriously at EVs. I know the Model S won before but a car that’s more in the ICE price range might turn a lot more gear heads.

floydboy
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floydboy

ICE price range has a rather wide variation, which Tesla Model S sales can attest to.?

Rightofthepeople
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Rightofthepeople

Couldn’t agree more. While driving around this afternoon in Metro Atlanta I heard a radio ad for Chevy on AM750, the most widely listened to talk radio station in Atlanta. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are carried on this station. Anyway, the add talked about how the new Chevy Bolt EV had just won MT car of the year, and went on to discuss the 238 miles of range and that the Bolt is not just a great EV, it’s a great car.

For me, this is the first time I have heard any radio advertising for any EV, ever. I don’t know the exact number, but late afternoon (4pm ish) listening audience for AM750 in Atlanta must be measured in hundreds of thousands. To me this is a huge deal.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

That certainly casts doubt onto the narrative espoused/advanced by some Bolt-bashing commenters on InsideEVs that says “GM doesn’t want to sell the Bolt.”

ClarksonCote
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Wow, 0-60 in 6.3 seconds? Not too shabby!

Trollnonymous
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Trollnonymous

“Affordable”????

A Civic, Cruze, Tercell Sentra, Focus, those are “affordable”.

Anyway, Good job LG Chem!

Kdawg
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Kdawg

$29,995 is well below the average price of new vehicle sales.

Trollnonymous
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Trollnonymous

Average Affordable

Trollnonymous
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Trollnonymous

Average DoesNot Equal Affordable

Stuart22
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Stuart22

Affordable compared to a Tesla.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

“Affordable” compared to a Rolls-Royce, too; but that’s not what people generally mean when they say “affordable”.

Of the top 10 best-selling cars (not light trucks) in the USA for 2015, the most expensive was the Toyota Camry, at MSRP $23,070.

The Chevy Bolt is better described as “semi-affordable”. (The Tesla Model ≡ will be, too.)

Kdawg
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Kdawg

YAMV
Your affordability may vary (depending upon who you talk to)

Nix
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Nix

Yes, “affordable” to the median brand new car buyer, who has a median household yearly income of around $70K means around $30K.

“Affordable” to ALL car buyers, who buy both new and used cars would mean something completely different. Because the median used car price is roughly around $17K.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/02/18/record-used-car-prices-in-2014/23637775/

So what is affordable to the subset of all car owners who typically buy new cars, would not be considered affordable to the set as a whole of all car owners in the United States.

Kdawg
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Kdawg

Also, I wouldn’t use the #1 selling car as the definition of affordable. Obviously the cheaper a car is, the more likely the sales will be higher. Think of cheeseburgers. The $1 McDouble well outsells a $5 Dave’s Double, but that doesn’t mean Dave’s Double isn’t affordable.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Well obviously, this is a matter of opinion and not fact. However, I’m not the first one to express the opinion on InsideEVs that the Bolt is “semi-affordable” rather than truly “affordable”.

I’m of the opinion that cars don’t become best-sellers unless they are viewed as “affordable”. I’m also of the opinion that the reason no car in the price range of $30k or more is among the top ten best-sellers in the USA, is because they are not considered “affordable” by the public at large.

Now, admittedly if you expand the best-seller category to all vehicles, including pickups, the highest price for best-sellers goes up. I see the Chevy Silverado has an MSRP of $27,585. But that’s still a ways “South” of $30k.

ffbj
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ffbj

It depends on your definition. I think of affordable as circa 20k, moderately priced as 30k. It’s true that it’s around 4k less than the average, but that includes all cars.
Still I think it’s a bargain.

ItsNotAboutTheMoney
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ItsNotAboutTheMoney

That’s not the price. The price is $37.5k.
There are tax credits and state rebates available that reduce the price.

ItsNotAboutTheMoney
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ItsNotAboutTheMoney

That’s not the price. The price is $37.5k.
There are tax credits and state rebates available that reduce the _cost_.

Dan K
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Dan K

Add in the car’s gasoline and oil changes, and see how close they are…

Kdawg
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Kdawg

I see Chevy updated the Bolt EV site, showing the Motor Trend award, but when are they going to allow us to “build a Bolt EV”? Some info got leaked the other day, so it has to be close.

VS
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VS

I build mine two months ago at the Local Opel dealer. The Premier version with “everything” and colour.
Very easy, sign here.

leafdriver
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leafdriver

So when might we be able to test drive one in the CARB states and what sort of safety testing has been done on it?

ffbj
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ffbj

CA and OR first. I am thinking around 6 months before anyplace else, in numbers, will have them.

ffbj
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ffbj

2nd question:
The 2017 Chevrolet Volt has not yet been tested or rated by federal safety officials, but the IIHS calls it a Top Safety Pick+ thanks to its performance in crash tests and the availability of forward-collision warnings with automatic emergency braking.

leafdriver
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leafdriver

Are you talking about the Volt or the Bolt? If you’re referring to the Bolt do you have a link to their analysis?

ffbj
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ffbj
ffbj
Guest
ffbj

Wrong one. I got my Bolts and Volts crossed up.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Congratulations to GM and Chevrolet.

And how odd for this article to mischaracterize it as if the Bolt “beat” the Model S. The Model S won this very award in 2013. And isn’t it the usual case to give it to a different car every year? So the Bolt didn’t “beat” the Model S; it merely received the same award in a later year.

It really is too bad that the media keeps slanting articles to make it look like there is competition between Tesla cars and cars from other auto makers, even when no real competition exists.

But then, it does mean more media “buzz” for Tesla, and as a Tesla fanboy, perhaps I shouldn’t complain? ❓

unlucky
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unlucky

It’s not a mischaracterization. When a car gets a significant refresh it is eligible for MT COTY again. The Model S was thus eligible this year (in 60/75 form, others don’t make the price cutoff). And in fact the Model S was a finalist, but the Bolt EV did indeed beat it out.

Remember?

http://insideevs.com/motor-trend-lists-tesla-model-s-6075-among-2017-car-of-the-year-finalists/

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

That’s nice in theory, but in practice, how many time has a merely “refreshed” car won this award?

Glancing over the list, I see the Mustang and the Corvette each won twice. I may have missed one or two cases, but the point is that it’s quite rare for a car to win the award twice, and it’s probably not going to happen unless all the new models in a year are judged to be weak entries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Trend_Car_of_the_Year

unlucky
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unlucky

I don’t get the need to make excuses.

If you go to the finals and you don’t win, then you lost out to the entity (car) that did win.

If refreshes didn’t stand a chance it wouldn’t have made it to the finals, it would have just been on the “contender” list. That it was on the contender list and the finalist list means that in more than just theory it was considered and it lost out.

It’s not a big deal. This is a significant car. And if it’s comforting there are a lot of losers on the list anyway. It’s just one award.

Nix
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Nix

unlucky — what the heck are you going on about? He congratulated the Bolt on their award.

He’s just rightfully stating that Tesla didn’t put up anything compellingly new for the Model S for Model Year 2017, so Tesla didn’t do anything for MY2017 to deserve a repeat of their 2013 award for the Model S to even be in serious contention to repeat their 2013 award.

What is your problem with that?

unlucky
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unlucky

He initially suggested that the Tesla coudn’t have “lost” was not eligible because it wasn’t new. When I pointed out refreshed cars are considered an in fact the Tesla was considered he then implies that doesn’t really count.

Really it counts. The Tesla was considered and it was bested by the Bolt. The Tesla lost. It’s not like you can say the Warriors didn’t lose to the Cavaliers in the NBA finals because the Warriors won last year. Yeah, they won last year and lost this year. Same with the Tesla. It won before and now it lost to the Bolt.

Again, it’s not a big deal, but indeed it did lose to the Bolt here. So the headline is accurate, it is not a mischaracterization.

Stuart22
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Stuart22

You are correct, Tesla was in the running but lost out to the Bolt. A difficult reality for some to acknowledge, hence the attempts at spinning away this truth.

The Model S is a great car, one that set a high bar. But it is several years old into a design based on traditional ICE architecture which does not maximize people space while minimizing exterior girth. The Bolt breaks away from the old by doing just that, while providing performance that approaches that of the Model S at a significantly lower price.

As MT said, the Bolt has bolted ahead to lead the pack.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Good grief. What is the deal here? I started this conversation by congratulating GM and Bolt on the award.

Everything I said about who was or wasn’t really in the running for the award was logical, straightforward, and backed up with facts. I wasn’t grinding any axe here. There was no “spin” or “excuses”.

You and “unlucky” need to take those chips off your shoulders. There’s no need for either of you to go so far out of your way to find disagreement where none exists.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

Nix said:
“He’s just rightfully stating that Tesla didn’t put up anything compellingly new for the Model S for Model Year 2017, so Tesla didn’t do anything for MY2017 to deserve a repeat of their 2013 award for the Model S to even be in serious contention to repeat their 2013 award.”

Really? Tesla significantly upgraded the software, sensors, and safety features on the Model S in that time frame. IIRC, the 2013 Model S didn’t have Autopilot (hardware or software for auto steering and adaptive cruise control), Summons, or even Automatic Emergency Braking, while the 2016/2017 Model S has all those features, not to mention improved Autopilot software and a new nose sans nose cone. Late 2016 and all 2017 have future-proof Autopilot 2.0 hardware, but I don’t know if that was considered as it was only introduced a couple of weeks ago.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Be careful, sven! When you say such positive things about the Model S, you endanger your status as head of the anti-Tesla cult. 😉

bro1999
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bro1999

Bolt EV a finalist for North American Car of the Year Award. No Tesla in sight. :p

I guess that’s another award GM will end up buying. LOL

http://wardsauto.com/industry/chevy-bolt-ev-finalist-na-car-year

spinner
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spinner

Bump up the charging speed to 150kW and they wouldn’t have enough to sell.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

I predict they’ll sell out rapidly even without that. GM is only planning on making a bit over 30,000 in the first year, after all.

Phr≡d
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Phr≡d

“GM is only planning on making a bit over 30,000 in the first year, after all”

Please DO post that one or two Hundred more times – the considerable discussion of that sentence was lost on you, and you apparently missed the “repeating yourself ad infinitum makes you sound like an Alzheimer’s victim”.

It’s really Not necessary to Tattoo every IEV article with 30-and-counting posts, particularly when you say the things you do and then plaster more with explanations of how readers have misunderstood. If you are consistently misunderstood, perhaps it is not the readers that need education?

scroll, scroll, scroll the site
gently past the endlessly repetitive
self-aggrandizing blather that exceeds the length of the original article..
even though it means you wear out your mouse wheel,
the rest of the commentary can be informative..

whoops, timing and rhyme fail..

DJ
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DJ

Sounds about right, a car with more interior room, comparable range (lower battery option) all the while being considerably cheaper should win over the competition.

Not everybody lives their life 1/4 mile at a time…

I do question if another car, apart from the Bolt should have won. Frankly the (admittedly ugly)Prius Prime may do more for the electrification of vehicles than the Bolt will…

ItsNotAboutTheMoney
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ItsNotAboutTheMoney

If there were no Bolt, I think the Prime would be an easy winner, since it’s the first affordable plug-in with a price that would allow sales to hold up even without subsidy.

But affordable long-range BEVs hitting the market is such a big thing, that the Bolt can’t be ignored, so with it being a good all-round package it deserves the award.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

The Prius Prime will probably outsell the Bolt on the international market, and do so easily. GM is planning on sending only a small fraction of Bolts overseas during the first year of production. We can hope they’ll increase that in future years, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

Nix
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Nix

There is little doubt that the Bolt won’t live up to this award, but I wish they would have waited until at least some of these were actually delivered to actual customers.

It is sort of like declaring who won an election before any of the results are announced.

But it’s their award, they can run it any way they like.

Bacardi
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Bacardi

Unless you’re a conspiracy theorist, GM doesn’t own and therefore cannot control Motor Trend’s timing…

Nix
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Nix
Bacardi, I didn’t say anything at all about GM. All I’m saying is that Motor Trend has decided to give the award to a car that still hasn’t been delivered customers yet. I’m sure they certainly have their reasons. And like I said, the Bolt very likely will live up to the award once it is delivered to actual customers. I’m just stating my personal taste of giving awards to products that have actually been sold to actual customers. Awards that have been given to cars that actual customers have actually driven hold more meaning TO ME. I base this on the fact that for decades the automotive industry traditionally started selling the next Model Year of cars starting in late summer/early fall, so for decades Motor Trend and others would base their late fall/early spring awards on cars that had already been on sale since late summer/early fall. But you, and Motor Trend, and everybody else can decide to call their contest results at any time they want if that makes people happy. Is there something WRONG with my personal preference for putting more weight on awards that are given to cars that people have actually taken delivery of,… Read more »
Djoni
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Djoni

Sorry, you just write “here is little doubt that the Bolt won’t live up to this award two comments before you write the opposite.
What do you mean?

Nix
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Nix

I see that this phrase could be misread:

“There is little doubt that the Bolt won’t live up to this award. . .”

Let me try to dissect it for clarity.

By “little doubt” I mean “there is very little reason to doubt” or “low probability”. So another way I could have said it would have been:

“there is very little reason to doubt that the Bolt won’t live up to this award”

or

“There is a low probability that the Bolt won’t live up to this award”

If the double negative is throwing you, it can be restated as “There is a high probability that the Bolt will live up to this award”.

Does this make more sense?

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Nix said:

“If the double negative is throwing you…”

It was the triple negative that made your opening statement confusing, even after careful re-reading. Frankly, I thought it was a result of incomplete editing.

“…it can be restated as ‘There is a high probability that the Bolt will live up to this award’.”

Thank you for clarifying, Nix. I still wasn’t sure of your meaning until that point.

Bacardi
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Bacardi

Nix, send a complaint email to Motor Trend…

Nix
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Nix

Why would I send a complaint to Motor Trend when I clearly stated:

“But it’s their award, they can run it any way they like.”

If my use of a double negative in my first sentence threw you off as it did the other poster, I apologize for the lack of clarity (please see my post above).

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Aren’t all of the “car of the year” awards based on nothing but initial test drives? It’s not like any of them are based on a long-term driving test of the sort that Edmunds.com and Consumer Reports do, at least not so far as I know.

And from the viewpoint of selling magazines and earning website clicks, I can understand why the major car review magazines and websites do it that way. New car buyers are most interested in the latest and newest cars. They’re not going to be as likely to pick up a magazine or view a website to read an article which is a retrospective on year-old cars.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

Nix said:
“There is little doubt that the Bolt won’t live up to this award. . .”

Can you please cite a source to support your absurd and inflammatory statement, or are you just trolling? Are you bashing the Bolt because you’re upset that it beat out the Model S for Motor Trend’s Car of the Year Award? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Nix
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Nix

I see that my sentence formation with a double negative did not convey the message I intended.

See my post above regarding this.

Tim
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Tim

Elon Musk won the Motor Trend 2017 person of the year award.

So stop crying Tesla fan boys and except the the Model 3 is not applicable this year.

Koenigsegg
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Koenigsegg

Model S is car of the year

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

Nope. You drank too much Tesla Kool-Aid® today. The votes were counted; the Bolt won, and Model S lost. But you can always take a cue from Hillary’s supporters and go stand in front of GM Tower and protest. 😉

Nix
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Nix

He is being sarcastic.

Apparently in an effort to bash people who actually like one of the best selling EV’s in the world.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

Indeed he did. Bravo. Here’s how some other notable EV auto industry persons were ranked for the 2017 award:

11th place – GM CEO Mary Barra;
24th place – CARB Chairwoman Mary Nichols; 36th place – Tesla Model X, S, and 3 designer Franz von Holzhausen.

Of note, Bob Lutz, the ever quotable Chairman of VIA Motors and VL Automotive, failed to make the Top 50 list this year.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2017-power-list-and-the-person-of-the-year/

Past Winners of the Motor Trend Person of the Year Award during the EV Renaissance include the following:

2015 & 2014 – Martin Winterkorn, Chariman of Volkswagon;
2013 & 2012 – Sergio Marchionne, Fiat-Chrysler Chairman and CEO;
2010 – Ferdinand Peich, Volkswagon Chairman of Supervisory Board.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/past-person-of-the-year-winners/

Koenigsegg
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Koenigsegg

GM payed for the award.

Ugly car. Don’t care if its electric. Disrespectful to design something that looks like that.

Model S is the car of the year, every year.

bro1999
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bro1999

Spoken like a true Tesla zealot.

Nix
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Nix

He is being sarcastic. Apparently in an effort to bash people who actually like one of the best selling EV’s in the world.

Rick (no, not that Rick)
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Rick (no, not that Rick)

I’ve read Motor Trend for years. The best car doesn’t win. The best car for the money wins. I predict that Model 3 will win next year.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

Unless the start of production is delayed until 2018 or later. Releasing a new model on time is not Tesla’s forte.

Nix
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Nix

This year is the MY2017 award. Next year will be the MY2018 award. Are you suggesting that there will not be a MY2018 Tesla Model S?

If so, please site your source.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven

Spelling and reading comprehension are not your forte.

FYI, it’s cite, not site.
https://www.wordnik.com/words/cite
https://www.wordnik.com/words/site

Nix said:
“Are you suggesting that there will not be a MY2018 Tesla Model S?”

No. Pay attention; Rick and I were discussing the Model 3. Rick made a prediction about the Model 3 winning next year, not the Model S.

Nix
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Nix

I can see I’m typing too fast today.

This year is the MY2017 award. Next year will be the MY2018 award. Are you suggesting that there will not be a MY2018 Tesla Model 3?

If so, please cite your source.

Tim Miser
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Tim Miser

Only new/redesigned models are eligible to be in the MTCOTY award so unless they redesign the model s, it won’t be in the running.

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

This sounds like the Trump election result:

The ‘approved’ candidate by EVERYONE WHO MATTERED (according to themselves) didn’t have a nice day.

THe ‘wrong’ car won.

Now me, I think the Bolt seems to be a great car in the absolute sense, – no need to compare it to any other vehicle.

I just hope they are not going to have to release ‘play dough’, ‘crying sessions’, and have ‘consuling sessions’ to the runner up cars as thy’ve had to do on college campuses for Hillary Supporters.

(The only good thing I heard on the news today is that apparently alot of ‘burned’ Sanders supporters are protesting Schumer – Way to GO!!)

If that isn’t enough – what is next? Diapers?

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Dude, you are the one who’s whining here. Skimming back over the above posts, I see only four commenters who suggest the Bolt didn’t deserve to win, and a lot more posts than that congratulating GM and/or Chevy on the award.

Not everyone shares your hostility towards Tesla Motors. In fact, 98% of Tesla car owners say they would buy their car again. You’re in the tiny minority; the 2% of unhappy Tesla car owners.

You seem to be suggesting that Hillary supporters should get over it. Perhaps you should take your own advice, especially since you don’t own that Tesla Roadster anymore.

Nix
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Nix

+1

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

You have GREAT problems with reading comprehension. Nothing of what I said in my somewhat humorous comment applies to anything you said.

You’re so silly. I wouldn’t have bought a Roadster for the amount of money I did if I didn’t think I was going to like it.

MY Garage is also wired up to charge two Teslas simultaneously.

I also test drove a Model S 3 times, so that should get through even to comprehension-impared persons that I was seriously considering it.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Still whining.

And your post certainly doesn’t read like you were joking, in the slightest. Sarcasm can indicate joking… or it can indicate hostility. Perhaps you need to learn the difference, or else start putting in smileys if you really are joking.

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland
“…. You seem to be suggesting that Hillary supporters should get over it. ” Pushi, you Democrats with your Superiority Complex (always thinking you know whats best, thinking everyone always agrees with you, and loving to dictate to the rest of us how we should comport ourselves) just can’t get over that Hillary didn’t win. Hillary herself had trouble, the first clue was Podesta gave the concession speech. Now we find from several sources that Hillary went into one of her famed conniption fits – throwing things and breaking mirrors. The Penninsula Hotel staff went up to find what was going on, but then when they found it was Hillary they just left, and the Hotel sent the bill for damages to the DNC. So much for Trump not having the correct demeanor to be president. Now, me, I’m a reluctant Trump supporter, but only voted for him at the very last minute since It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he turns out to be a phoney. Supposedly, he stated on a recent 60 MINUTES interview that Bill and Hillary are “GOOD PEOPLE”. What??? All the deaths around these two people, whether in official capacity or mysteriously both in… Read more »
Get Real
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Get Real

Well Bill, you just explained your stunning lack of judgement/logic on political matters.

You are obviously a fan of Alt-Right media since your assertion that HRC became violent after her loss (much less your assertion that the Clintons have been killing people since their Arkansas days)!

Here is the Snopes takedown of your bizarre conspiracy theory:
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-had-drunken-meltdown-after-losing-the-election/.

This also helps explain your Alt Right take on your climate change denial raving you have posted here frequently.

Maybe your a good engineer but your certainly not a good judge of politics and propaganda.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

@Bill Howland:

You’ve shown yourself to be an out-and-out, True Believer conspiracy theorist. You also recently posted that you believe the “jet contrails are poison gas” conspiracy theory is true.

You probably believe that Barack Obama’s mother left her home in Hawaii and snuck into Kenya, to give birth to him. And that she planted false newspaper stories in two Hawaiian newspapers about his birth. Oh, and she also gave her son the middle name “Hussein”, all as part of a Grand Conspiracy to make sure he’d get elected President in 2008. 🙄

Seriously, I’m not much interested in the rants of a die-hard conspiracy theorist, even when those rants are not political. And I rather suspect most people who don’t live in the alt-Right bubble world agree with me. Even most people who voted for Trump.

CAB
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CAB

As a former Volt and now Tesla owner I am pretty interested in test driving one of these…and yes, it is conceivable I might trade the Tesla in on one. I simply prefer a smaller package. Up until now there hasn’t been a small package with decent performance and few compromises (I’m looking at you BMW i3).

David
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David

We are a two car family. Excepting one out-of-state college visit (my daughter decided to stay in state), neither of my cars has been more than 160 miles from home in the last …I don’t know how many years. The 160 mile trip is a frequent weekend spot, plenty of time and access to charge between Friday evening and Sunday morning. I can’t wait.

WARREN
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Great performance numbers. I only wish it were RWD. We have already heard how the front tire traction is barely adequate to harness all the power. What is going to be a potential problem is tire life. Heck, my Nissan LEAF wore through front tires in 7000 miles with my driving habits.

Tim Miser
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Tim Miser

Mine too. Although with the long range, I should be able to get high mileage tires instead of the shorter life low resistance tires.

Alex
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Alex

Awards are great way to get the word out. Hope we’ll see Bolts on the road in large numbers pretty soon, so that we can see customers vote too.

mxs
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mxs

I just came here to see the Tesla fanboys boiling over the headline and article. And I must say, they didn’t disappoint … keep it up.

Cheese
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Cheese

Congrats to GM, the same company that was part of a letter sent to Trump’s transition team to get vehicle mileage/emission standards reduced for 2025.

Hezie Samuels
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Hezie Samuels

Thank You Elon Musk for this Wonderful mass awakening, potentially. It is You Sir, that I credit for the wonderful fact that the worlds automakers are starting to open their eyes while stretching and yarning, from their nightmarish slumber. Congrats chevy on your achievement, well done, and please, no more roundups to the slaughter.

Tim Miser
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Tim Miser

I’m curious if the brake lights come during full friction braking using the drive mode and brake paddle. Anybody know??