With Competition Coming, CHAdeMO Fast Charging Stations Multiply, Now 2,501 Units

APR 9 2013 BY JAY COLE 28

We know 2013 will see the first new SAE Combo plug fast charging stations go head-to-head with the “old guard” of the Japanese-based CHAdeMO standard.

CHAdeMO logo headerThe battle lines have been drawn:

  • General Motors, BMW, Chrysler, Daimler, Ford and Audi are on the side of the relatively new, more well-conceived, yet still virtually non-existent SAE standard
  • Nissan, Mitsubishi, Fuji Heavy Industries and Toyota are the pioneers of the CHAdeMO Association, formed in 2010, that boast both an existing base of stations, but also cars equipped to interface with them

Now, it seems since the SAE officially approved the new fast-charging Combo in October of 2012, CHAdeMO has increased the roll-out speed of their charging stations (along with the number of press releases they issue).

A Nissan LEAF Can Get A 80% Quick Charge In About 30 Mins

A Nissan LEAF Can Get A 80% Quick Charge In About 30 Mins

 

This past weekend, the association let it be known that through the end of the first quarter of this year, there are now 2,501 fast charging stations using their protocol.  The breakdown is as follows:

  • Japan 1,677
  • Europe 652
  • USA 160
  • Other 12

 

Earlier Graph Of CHAdeMO Station Deployment (Jan 22, 2013)

Earlier Graph Of CHAdeMO Station Deployment (Jan 22, 2013)

It is worth noting, that it was less than 3 months ago, when we reported the CHAdeMO association was just passing 2,000 units.  So it appears the plan for the future is to spread the net as wide and as fast as possible, in hopes of smothering the new SAE standard before it can get a foothold.

Month-By-Month Inventory Of CHAdeMO Station Up Until Januar.  2,501 Units In Place As Of March 31st, 2013

Month-By-Month Inventory Of CHAdeMO Station Up Until January. 2,501 Units In Place As Of March 31st, 2013

When looking at the map of existing charging stations provided by CHAdeMO, it appears they have Japan, and a good portion of Europe locked up.

In the US, the same can not be said.

However, the SAE standard really needs to start putting down their marks on the map too, as Nissan (with some help of some local partners) has committed to bring 500 new units to the US over the next 16 months.

It seems to us that while the war seems to be over in Japan, it is just about ready to rage in Europe as BMW brings its SAE based i-product line to Europe (i3 coming in November, i8 in 2014), along with a legion of offerings from VW/Audi (Golf plug-in, E-Up!, XL1, A3 e-tron, etc.)

In the US, it could still be different, there could be a third outcome.  Compromise.  As we would really like to see cooler heads prevail here…and just build out charging units that can allow vehicles using EITHER STANDARD to plug in.

If it was not for the continuing saga of the two standards, the story would simply be “A Lot More Fast Charging Stations Are Being Deployed Around The World Making Plug-Ins Vehicles More And More Viable.”

And that sounds like a better story to us.

CHAdeMO (JP), Link to interactive CHAdeMO Google Map here

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28 Comments on "With Competition Coming, CHAdeMO Fast Charging Stations Multiply, Now 2,501 Units"

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Do they provide an actual google map of all of the installed locations, or just a screen shot of that useful creation? A constantly updating map would be more important than the press release.

David Murray

If the SAE is going to press forward with their frankenplug, then I believe the best option for North America would be to have quick charge stations with both SAE and Chademo. I know they are already manufacturing them. I really can’t imagine that it would add much to the cost to of a station to have both standards. After all, most of the cost of such a station is the installation and connection to the grid. Even from a manufacturing standpoint, most of the equipment internally would be shared. The only major difference is the connector plug and some computer software and protocols.

The BMW i3 has been pushed now to January 2014, and GM just announced moving out of S. Korea with the current hostilities there (that’s where the GM Spark converted EV compliance car is made). So, there won’t likely be a SINGLE Frankenplug car for public consumption in 2014, and certainly not the two models that are required to have NRG / EVgo to be required to supplant their CHAdeMO installs with Frankenplug chargers. There are no other Frankenplug consortium manufacturers to even announce a production Frankenplug compatible car in the USA (somebody will claim VW, but they are definitely hedging their bets… see below). The bottom line is that there is no “compromise”. The Frankenplug consortium is so far behind the power curve as to be a joke. It took years for CHAdeMO to get to 2500, and there’s no reason to believe that even with twisting USA lawmaker’s arms that the consortium will do better in the coming 3 years (when CHAdeMO, Tesla, Menekkes spec EU-Frankeplug in Germany, and Chameleon will have thousands more installs). Here’s my synopsis: Yet another standard is not what the USA wants, needs or can afford. USA taxpayers, watch you pocketbook because GM… Read more »
evnow

Don’t read too much into what GM is saying about Korea. Could be just a negotiation ploy.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/09/us-korea-gm-idUSBRE93802G20130409

“General Motors Co has warned it could shift operations from South Korea in the longer term due to rising tension with the North, angering its Korean union which accuses the firm of using the instability as leverage ahead of tough annual labor talks.”

JohnLars

This CHAdeMO google map is not uo to date. The PlugShare app is better, showing more sites, but it is not perfect, either. Two new CHAdeMO chargers have just gone in at Nissan dealers in Orange County Ca, with more under construction. (They are free, btw, thankfully giving much needed competition to the San Juan Capistrano Chargepoint site which just jacked its price up to 15$ per hour) A grocery store chain in San Diego is reportedly already in the process of installing up to 12 new sites (according to the electrical contractors doing the work). The more the merrier.

Dave R

The San Juan Capistrano site is the only site I’m aware of which charges by the minute – a huge benefit over sites which charge a flat rate per session as this encourages people to only get as much charge as they need. The rate also varies it’s rate based on time of day – undoubtedly to account for utility demand charges which are higher in the afternoons. The rate is $10/hour from 7:15pm-10:45am and $15/hour all other times. The station is actually owned and operated by Evoasis, though it uses Chargepoint billing services. Also of note is that it is a 25 kW station rather than a 50 kW station – another decision made to reduce operating costs at a slight increase in charge time.

Can you share which grocery chain will be getting quick chargers? I’m guessing Ralph’s?

First, the rate at the EVOasis / ChargePoint charger at San Juan Capistrano is EXACTLY the same rate as the NRG / EVgo negotiated deal with the state of California; $10 per hour off-peak, $15 per hour peak. What’s different is that the minimum fee for theNRG / EVgo deal is $7, while the SJC site is charged by the minute with no $7 minimum. No other DC charger that I’m aware of charges by the minute. BTW, that unit has already gone over 500 charge events and is one of the busiest DC chargers in the country. Clearly, this charging location can’t and won’t compete with free, nor was this charger provided for free, nor installed for free. If you think all the Nissan dealers are going to give away the CHAdeMo charges forever, I beg to differ. What will happen is that any free charger will get bombarded with folks while the nearby “fee” units get less. The Nissan dealers will get wise quickly that giving away several dollars worth of electrical power to everybody who lines up for freebies is not good for their bottom line. I think Connell Nissan in Orange County (who got one of… Read more »

Full disclosure, I’m CTO of EVOasis.

Tony

Herm

“They are free, btw, thankfully giving much needed competition to the San Juan Capistrano Chargepoint site which just jacked its price up to 15$ per hour”

all that free chargers will accomplish is to destroy the market and future installations.. a step back for the industry but typical for California.

Dave K.

Tony’s right, actually looks like sabotage to me, using different standards to promote confusion. Let the CHAdeMO stations add a Frankenplug cord if and when any cars show up! Not likely to happen soon. There are hundreds of CHAdeMO equiped cars here in Atlanta and no Frankens, Tesla superchargers would be far more useful as there are quite a few Ss. SAE really blew it in my opinion, they should have just adopted CHAdeMO.

Hopefully, somebody smarter than me will get ahead of the power curve and start thinking about the standard AFTER CHAdeMO and Euro-spec Frankenplug (I just don’t see that many USA spec Frankenplugs compared to all the other players, making them a novelty).

Bloggin

The Combo Charger will quickly dominate in the US. For 2014, automakers will launch no less than 6 new models using Combo Charger. Along with All federal dollars across the nation installing Combo Chargers and some duel Japanse standard. Quickly the Japanese standard will be phsed out. Tesla already has an adapter for Combo Charger. Nissan will do the same, or switch to Combo Charger.

There are thousands of Combo Chargers set for install over the next 3 years nationwide. Starting in 2013. We really won’t see 2014 plug in models from any manufacturer, other than Nissan, using the Japanese standard.

What 6 new models will be on sale in the US in 2014 using CCS? I count two in the Spark and i3, neither of which appears like it will sell in numbers to compete with the LEAF.

I seriously doubt any of the plug-in hybrids will use the CCS, just J1772.

As far as Tesla adapters, they only have a J1772 adapter right now, AFAIK. CHAdeMO is said to be next to release, and would be their first adapter for DCQC.

I agree that CCS may eventually take over, but I doubt it will be the next 3 years.

It’s odd how folks want to puppet for a non-existent “standard” with exactly zero cars and zero public charging stations. I challenge “Bloggin” to name the six cars (of course, he can’t, because there aren’t six). I also challenge him to identify ANY federal dollars for the Frankenplug system; again, there aren’t any YET. I do expect GM and BMW (and the other federal tax trough folks like Ecotality) to be clamoring for YOUR tax money to install a competing system. One more challenge for Bloggin; find me the law(s) that make Frankenplug a “national standard”. Nope, there aren’t any of those either. Those folks like Bloggin (who just make it up) don’t even consider the concept that the Frankenplug cars are the ones who might be looking for adapters to CHAdeMO ! Ok, one more Bloggin challenge; provide a link to a Frankenplug adapter for Tesla…. bzzzzzz, once again, there isn’t one. Tesla has announced a CHAdeMO adapter, however. Of the two cars we do expect in 2014, the BMW i3 and GM Spark EV, the former is likely to be priced WELL above the price point of “mass adoption”, hence it will be sold in far, far fewer… Read more »
KillaWatt

Agreed Bloggin. The CCS, for better or worse is what we will use here in the US. If Nissan had 5,000 or 10,000 CHAdeMO already installed here it still wouldn’t matter as they would eventually be converted to CCS anyway, but since they have less than 200 it’s not even worth arguing over. It’s so early in the game nobody will even remember there was a CCS competitor here by 2020. Nissan knows it and while they won’t publicly announce defeat, they already know they will need to switch over within the next 2-3 years.

The defeat Nissan has “accepted” is adding 500 more chargers to the 2500 around the world currently. It’s funny how facts get in the way of quality BS.

The number of Frankenplug cars: 0
The number of public Frankenpkug stations: 0
The number of Frankenplug stations funded by auto manufactures: 0
The number funded by governments so far: Oodles of them in Germany for the strictly Euro-specification Frankenplug that you USA-spec Frankenplug car can’t plug in to.

Wow… Yep, Frankenplug will “take over” any day now.

Tom K

Did I miss something or are all the Nissan Dealer DCQCs coming on line in SoCal this month get overlooked?

Which one is better, and why? Instead of making this a VHS vs. Betamax situation, where the crappier version wins, let’s go with the better one.

That’s a really good, often overlooked question. It won’t have squat to do with which one “wins”, but fun to discuss.

Originally, SAE specifically recommended that whatever new standard they dream up was to be compatible with existing (CHAdeMO) DC chargers. Naturally, they did just the opposite and made it as incompatible as possible.

The primary differences are CAN messaging and control of the amperage with CHAdeMO and PLC messaging and variable voltage and amperage with Frankenplug. One is isolated ground, the other non-isolated. Plugs are radically different. Locking mechanisms grossly different. In other words, not only was no attempt made at compatibility, they did everything they could to do just the opposite.

Now, which is better? Heck, I’m sure each side says, “we are the best”!!! There honestly isn’t a clear cut technology winner, which is why I hope the next DC charger standard is neither design, but a truly universal design open to the world.

Then I woke up from my dream.

Future Leaf Driver

Wow, that’s what I call champagne wishes and cavier dreams!

LOL, just make an adaptor for Frankenstein plug and let’s move on! Unless someone is sitting on a HUGE bag of money ready for spending!