CHAdeMO Leads Global Plug-in Car Sales By Fast Charging Inlet With 1/3 Of The Market

JUN 5 2016 BY MARK KANE 53

Europe plug-in car sales by fast charging inlet (cumulative) - May 2016

Europe plug-in car sales by fast charging inlet (cumulative) – May 2016

The CHAdeMO Association is now tracking sales of plug-in electric cars, paying specific attention to the fast charging capability of those sales.

As it turns out (not surprisingly considering the source), CHAdeMO is most popular system – tallying 33% of BEVs (nearly 238,000 out of 720,000) and 25% PHEVs (nearly 118,000 out of 470,000).

But even more popular than fast charging…is no fast charging – 38% BEVs and 75% PHEVs lack the ability to charge via DC.

Other popular choices are Tesla’s proprietary Supercharging system (different in NA and Europe) at 15% and Combo (also different in NA and Europe) at 9%.

Three-phase AC charging (Type 2) used mostly by Renault takes 5%.

CHAdeMO also broke out the European numbers (where it faces its largest challenge from Combo) for us to digest.

 

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53 Comments on "CHAdeMO Leads Global Plug-in Car Sales By Fast Charging Inlet With 1/3 Of The Market"

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SparkEV

2010-2015? In 2010, there was practically no fast chargers. To get info on chicken-and-egg problem, you don’t do that by cumulative from the time there was no egg (or is that chicken?)

David Murray

There’s no excuse for building a BEV today that doesn’t have fast charge. I understand PHEVs don’t really need it. But seriously, 100% of BEVs should have it.

Speculawyer

I think the vast majority of BEVs do have a fast charger now. The ones that don’t are often dying cars, compliance cars (Fiat 500e), etc.

mike w

Nissan Leaf? DCFC was not standard equipment last I checked.

kimmi

True for now, but in two years time, Combo will have a larger piece of the pie, probably the same as Chademo.

As for Tesla, it will be the Apple of fast-charging, with the most juicy (as in expensive) part of the market all to itself.

Joe

Essentially, now that CHAdeMO has finally embraced 150kW charging (why is there still no news item on that, folks?!), it won’t matter which standarf goes through.

I personally prefer CCS despite it’s optics: it embeds two charging plugs and standards in one. Would’ve been even better if the CHARin had followed Tesla’s approach of adapting the European Type 2 plug for Fast charging.

But essentially, all that matters now is that the cars get fast charging capabilities and that the chargers are out there. Whatever standard.

In all likeliness both CHAdeMO will prevail, adding to that a third Chinese standard. Tesla will remain as is or change over to CCS (it joined the group). Whatever happens, there’ll be adapters for charging anywhere. No problem!

Joe

correction: both CHAdeMO and CCS will prevail.

David Murray

As much as I’d like to see Tesla change over to CCS… I don’t see it happening because they would have to install TWO charging ports on the car. Otherwise the supercharger stations would not be compatible.

zzzzzzzzzz

IMHO it would be much simpler to install 2 cables on Tesla charging stations. No, adapter is a kludge.

RobertM

Tesla wouldn’t have to install a new port. They already support CHAdeMO in the model S/X using their CHAdeMO cable. I fully expect them to be creating a CCS cable like they have for CHAdeMO. Now will there Supercharger network start to include CCS I have no idea I guess it depends on Tesla plans for the future and when CCS finally replaces then for the best laid out network in the US and/or EU.

Robert Weekley

Well, I just checked http://www.chademo.com today and saw a first notice they have, at least in principle, began a move up to 150 kW.

Micke Larsson

Yet Chademo is dead (outside Japan)… These are the desperate last twitches…

I wonder if Nissan will change to CCS voluntarily on the Leaf or if regulations will be needed.

Texas FFE

I don’t know if you have noticed but a lot of Nissan dealerships are now installing dual CHAdeMO/CCS chargers. Does this foretell things to come or is it merely good will?

zzzzzzzzzz

BMW is also selling i3 with Chademo in Japan.

zzzzzzzzzz

You may as well say that CCS/Type 2 is dead, except in Europe. Or that CCS/Type 1 is dead, except in North America. Really you have a bunch of regional DC charging standards, different in each continent. It is downhill path from Chademo that has at least DC part the same around the world.

Speculawyer

That is a very silly & pointless comparison.

zzzzzzzzzz

You still think that the US is center of the world and no life exists beyond it 😉 ? Wake up, China has maybe 4 time population and is biggest auto market in the world. India alone also has 4 times more people.

notting

I think there’re already people considering 50kW _not_ as fast-charging. I’m thinking less of Tesla drivers at this point (although they have good reasons to say something like that), but I’m thinking of future BEV buyers who want more range than most BEV currently have -> more battery capatity -> more power for same charging times…

So this statistic should have 0% Chademo, much Tesla and a growing number of CCS (at least in a few years)?

notting

zzzzzzzzzz

Chademo is 150 kW now on the same plug, backwards compatible. 350 kW is in development. The same is with CCS.

Tesla is really looking like Betamax with their proprietary plug designed to fragment charging network. They should had went with Chademo from the beginning and now we would have single DC charging standard. Now we have different in each country. As demonstrated in practice since last year, “low power” excuse for Chademo or CCS doesn’t work anymore. Tesla proprietary standard is lower power now and should be upgraded to open standard like CCS or Chademo or GB in China.

notting

Thanks, didn’t hear about it. But I heard that plug was actually designed for max. 100kW?

notting

zzzzzzzzzz

Original Chademo plug was designed for 200 A as far as I heard. That translates to 100 kW at 500 V or 80 kW at 400 V. But it doesn’t mean that it is some hard limit set in stone, it can be tested again for higher amperage, higher temperature resistant materials used if needed, leaving it backwards compatible.

I guess 350 kW Chademo version would mean higher voltages just like Porsche Mission E with CCS is supposed to use 800 V.

Chipper6

Even though it may be hard to bare, Tesla couldn’t wait for the vaporware 150kW standard to come online. When you have to wait for a bunch of wining bureaucrats to decide on a “standard”, you could be dead. They did what they needed to do, to sell cars. Obviously now with the top two selling BEV vehicles in the US, we’ll see what becomes the standard…

zzzzzzzzzz

You are drinking too much Kool-Aid from Musk cult. There are no any bureaucrats designing charging standards. Automakers do it on their own. Tesla didn’t wanted to participate and dropped out of it, nobody forced it but their own CEO. And they didn’t needed some bureaucrat approval, they were always free to extend existing standard with their own higher power option just like it is done now both with Chademo and CCS using existing connectors. Actually Tesla uses Type 2 compatible connector in Europe, so what “bureaucrats” you are talking about? They can technically easily open their charging stations for everybody to charge for a fee to recoup their investment. But it is business decision to fragment and keep walled garden that now leaded to dead end, when everybody else will go with open standards and they will be left isolated and will have to bear extra migration costs.

Chipper6
Ok, the use of the word Bureaucrat was out of place. The “vote by committee” method of working together towards a common goal, is great in practice, but fails at moving quickly. In the US, the CCS was the SAE/IEC Type 2 plug. How to you discuss fast charging with people who only have 25-30kWhr battery packs? They think 65-80kW is fine because that is all their batteries could handle (~3C). Now that we are further down the road, the other plugs are JUST NOW getting the 150KW figured out while Tesla has been doing 90-120kW since the first supercharger went online… When you are in rapid development mode, you can’t wait for the slowest person at the table to get caught up and the OEM’s were not invested. Tesla did what they needed to do in order to sell expensive cars with less compromises than any of the other BEV’s that were on the market. If you are in Europe, I understand how you have way too many different charge connectors going on. I can’t speak to the frustrations in the EU. In the US, there are more 60-80kW CHAdeMO chargers installed than any other. When everyone else has… Read more »
Steven

Hi there,

I’d like to put 20kW of power in an EV in America, where’s the fastest charger in North America that’s publicly available. All I can find is 24-50kW CCS and CHAdeMO units, or a 120kW Tesla charger…seems like the Tesla charger is the best available right now. Am I wrong? Please point me to a chain of 150 or 300kW DC chargers across the US if I’m wrong. I’d love to do a cross country road trip on them.

Steven

Speculawyer

You are quite correct. It is a sad state of affairs but it is what it is.

JakeY

The new announcement by CHAdeMO is basically them playing catch-up. the “150kW” is actually a 350A limit. Tesla had been doing 370A for many years already.

Tesla didn’t go for CHAdeMO for obvious reasons: it was only 100kW (on paper, 50kW in all real world installations), it’s extremely bulky, and can only handle DC charging despite that bulk.

The early version of the CHAdeMO handle was also poorly designed and was prone to breakage (the later versions that were designed more like J1772 connectors were a lot better).

Speculawyer

I’m not sure Chademo existed when Tesla was designing. But even if it did, it was too slow for what they wanted to do and too clunky for their preference.

przemo_li

Marketshare by plugin standard by kWh:

1) Tesla 36%
2) None 28,6%
3) Chademo 24,8%

Assuming avg Tesla have 80kWh and avg everybody else 25kWh.

Terawatt

That simply cannot be correct. None of the BEVs with CCS has less than 20 kWh, so their share can’t be just a percent!

przemo_li

My quick and dirty sheet gives 6,7% to CCS and 3,7% to AC.

Dan Hue

Is this just a pissing contest between Chademo and CCS, or is something tangible at stake? The former used to be a propriety standard, with a license fee if I am not mistaken, but they are now both open, so what is the big deal?

JakeY

Essentially it is a pissing contest. CHAdeMO has to prove its relevance since it has pressure from non-Japanese automakers. It moved to an open standard because it was threatened by moves in Europe to ban it. Now that a few manufacturers have abandoned it for the US/Europe markets, it has to go on a campaign to show it still has relevance.

I think eventually the move will be to CCS since it simply is a superior standard (doesn’t need that extra port) that accomplishes the same thing (practically all new installations of CHAdeMO chargers today also have CCS).

Robert Weekley

JakeY, per “the move will be to CCS since it simply is a superior standard (doesn’t need that extra port)”, actually, CCS IS an extra port over the US J1772 standard, to make extra room for two extra pins, requiring a larger acces door than J1772 needs alone, and while it needs a bit less acces space than using a J1772 + CHAdeMO, it still uaes more space than the Tesla receptacle and plug system!

JakeY

It is just 2 extra pins, not an entirely separate port. It can fit in the same area as a small gas flap, while CHAdeMO+J1772 would require a huge flap (like on the Leaf or Outlander PHEV) or two flaps (like on iMIEV and clones).

Dragon

Two extra pins in an entirely separate hole from the other pins… kind of like an extra port! All of which takes up twice the space as Tesla’s port. CCS is a terrible standard but I guess we’re stuck with it.

zzzzzzzzzz

The problem is that you can’t use the same CCS everywhere. It is one in Europe, another in North America, and the rest of the world is left with Chademo or GB anyway, whatever the EU mandates. It doesn’t look like EU would outlaw installation s of everything but CCS despite push from German automakers for such action. E.g. Estonia has basically Chademo only network done by taxpayer money and they oppose such action. More likely some EU governments will continue to provide extra subsidies for chargers having CCS plugs too (as opposed to Chademo only) and that is all. Extra plug doesn’t add big cost to charge anyway and it is what is installed in practice most of the time in any case.

JakeY

The only difference is in the AC socket and that would have to be different depending on region anyways.

An automaker adopting CCS would use a Type 1/J1772 CCS in US and Type 2 CCS in Europe.

An automaker adopting CHAdeMO would use Type 1 /J1772 + CHAdeMO in US and Type 2 + CHAdeMO in Europe.

Not seeing how this is a significant disadvantage for CCS.

Mutwin Kraus

Unfortunately some manufacturers don’t even make the effort to use a Type-2 outlet in the car.

zzzzzzzzzz

Most of the world is not Europe or US.

Terawatt

Interesting as this was, it’d be more enlightening if we ALSO had the same numbers just for 2015. Better yet, for every year so we could get some idea of trends.

Although it likely doesn’t matter. We’re still at such an early stage of the game that the total installed base is small compared to what will be added over the next two years! I think ChaDEmo is dead in the water – thanks to weaker and weaker manufacturing support.

It’s a pity Teslas tech can’t become the de facto standard, because the others are simply clumsy by comparison. But I’m willing to suck it up. What really matters is simply to get to a de facto standard, and CCS looks like the clear leader.

Texas FFE

I would like what the growth rate is for each standard. Two years ago CCS was pretty much non-existent now it’s catching up fast. If the trend continues in a few years CCS could be the dominant standard.

Robert Weekley

We still don’t know if the new Mitsubishi Outlander, sans CHAdeMO, will sell as good in USA as it sold in Europe with it!

Texas FFE

Any reasonably priced PHEV SUV, especially with 4WD is going to sell well in the US. I wouldn’t expect DCFC on ANY PHEV in the US though.

Chipper6

No mention of Tesla being CHAdeMO compatable??? (they offer an adapter). CHAdeMO wins, Tesla Wins, Everyone else if left in the dust, begging for a jump.

Old leafs are going to be cheap on the used market…

Speculawyer

Everyone is wondering if a Tesla CCS adapter is in the works.

Chipper6

From what Musk has said about that monster of a connector, I doubt they will. He hates that thing.

mustang_sallad

Very short-sighted of Chademo to fixate on this stat, as this is very quickly going to turn to CCS. Nissan is the only EV automaker of significance using Chademo now or in the future.

Speculawyer

They know they are losing. That’s why the cite this statistic to try to stem the bleeding.

It is not going to work unless Toyota and Honda crank out a bunch of Chademo cars . . . but I really don’t see that happening.

Speculawyer

Cumulative is irrelevant. It is counting up years before CCS existed.

I want to know what the trend is. And since they didn’t reveal that, I think we all know which way the trend is going.

Alex

Look the selling numbers.
Europe first months 2016
18000 Chademo
8000 AC (Zoe)
7200 CCS
4300 Tesla

World
32500 Chademo
18000 Tesla
11000 CCS
15000 AC (BYD & Zoe)
8000 China DBT

And thats only the last generation Leaf today, new one could sell 100000 a year.

Speculawyer

Those Europe numbers are quite misleading. They include the Outlander PHEV which won’t be equipped with Chademo in the USA. And it probably doesn’t use Chademo much in Europe. I wouldn’t be surprised if they drop Chademo for the European version.

Basically those numbers just say the Mitsubishi OUtlander PHEV has been a huge success and that I agree with. It is a shame it is still not offered in the USA nor any other SUV PHEV.

ydnas7

Those European numbers are not misleading, but they may not be relevant for USA. The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is generally quite popular, and very popular where fast charging is free. But I have real doubts that Outlander PHEV drivers are willing to pay for their DC fast charging if it is more expensive than petrol. The other factor is that many Tesla divers also have Chademo adapters, realistically there are significantly more Chademo cars than those stats show.

CCS has the problem, that they of all the standards seem to rely on other people’s money to be installed. Its the Pareto principle at work, 20% outproduce the 80%. Carlos and Musk simply vastly outproduce the entire non Chinese industry about 5:1

simply look at the top 10 fast charge cars YTD on EV sales blogspot, and the ratio will be 6.7:1

CCS was doing much better last year, than this year.