CHAdeMO Installations In Europe & US Grow Significantly

MAR 25 2015 BY MARK KANE 27

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March 2015 began with roughly 5,500 CHAdeMO DC fast chargers worldwide, according to CHAdeMO Association.

Half of the chargers are in Japan, though both Europe and the US seem to be getting more and more CHAdeMOs.

Europe has 1,659, while the US is home to 934. One month ago the numbers were 1,532 and 854. The number of new installations again prevails in Europe – over 120 vs. 80 in US.

“The number of CHAdeMO DC Quick chargers installed up to today is 5467.
— (Japan 2819 Europe 1659 USA 934 Others 55) last update 2015.03.06″

* Some CHAdeMO chargers are multi-standard with DC Combo or AC plugs.

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1) CHAdeMO – 5467 Worldwide (6 March 2015)

124 new CHAdeMO chargers added in USA between 9 Jan 2015 and 6 March 2015:

Adding about 2-3 per day in the USA, and 8 per day worldwide !!!

Japan — now 2819, was 2819 (obviously not updated)
Europe – now 1659, was 1327
USA —- now 934, was 810
Others – now 55, was 54

5467 Worldwide (6 March 2015)
5010 Worldwide (9 January 2015)

EVs compatible with CHAdeMO include:

*Nissan LEAF – over 75,000 in the USA (19 Mar 2015) and over 160,000 worldwide

*Mitsubishi iMiev variants – over 30,000 worldwide

*Kia Soul EV – 476 (28 Feb 2015)

*Tesla (all except Roadster) with Tesla supplied adaptor, 40,000 US sales, 55,000 worldwide (28 Feb 2015), number of physical adaptors less than 1000 (28 Feb 2015)

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2) SAE CCS Combo1, or “J1772 DC” – approximately 150 in the USA (and worldwide) as of March 2015

EVs compatible include (note: not all sold cars are physically equipped with CCS port):

*GM Spark EV – 1,889 US sales, adding about 50-100 per month in three CARB-ZEV states only (28 Feb 2015)
*BMW i3 – 7,851 US sales (28 Feb 2015)
*VW eGolf – 668 US sales (28 Feb 2015)

We really need all the new Level 3 quick charging stations to be both CHAdeMO and CCS (aka SAE Combo), because this leverages the same basic equipment for all EV’s on the road that are equipped with quick chargers.

How is the VW / BMW partnership to build 1,000 quick chargers going?

ChargePoint, BMW and VW said they would build 100 stations on both coasts… or less than what CHAdeMO added in two months time.

Plus, at least some of those stations will be combined with CHAdeMO.

So BMW & VW are being good neighbors by installing Chademo too while the Chademo crowd are not installing CCS. Well that’s kinda sad and petty.

But perhaps Nissan feels threatened . . . they are kinda all alone right now.

Well, I think you will find that Nissan also is installing combined chargers in both the USA and Europe.

The charger war is over. We all win.

“(note: not all sold cars are physically equipped with CCS port):”

Why did you leave out:

(note: not all sold cars are physically equipped with Chademo port)

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DC FC should be built with two heads – one SAE and one CHAdeMO. The cost of doing that is low compared to the rest of the overall ESVE appliance.

B/c he did that on purpose.

Tony William is openly against CCS and a huge supporter of Chademo since he has “business” interest invested in Chademo compatible products…

Exactly correct. I am not a fan of CCS. I don’t make that a secret at all.

However, the post above is a constantly updated file (hence the dates after each piece of data), and that tag line that is quoted was originally for the Spark EV, since it was the ONLY car that could handle CCS. The first cars (maybe six months?) didn’t have any CCS.

When CCS was finally an option, I made the disclaimer. At the time, I think they had sold about six hundred.

VW and BMW weren’t even listed then.

So, thanks for pointing that out.

By the way, if manufacturers support and actually build out their network like CHAdeMO has done, and continues to do at a faster rate CCS (as I pointed out… more CHAdeMO in the USA in about three months than ALL the SAE-CCS-Combo1 ever installed in the history of the earth.

I think going forward, CCS and CHAdeMO together will be the norm more often than not. I suspect they both die off in a generation or so, when 250kW charger are the norm.

I almost missed your slander on my business interests!!!

Every time somebody asks me, “why not use CCS in your DC charge conversions (JdeMO)?”, I always point them to this data.

While that frequently wins the argument today, the minute that CHAdeMO is replaced by something genuinely better, you can bet I will move on to that.

CCS isn’t the “better”. It’s sparsely installed, with just a small base of cars to support it. It’s technical performance specs are just similar, not better. There are several features I don’t like on CCS.

I’m not a big fan of the non-isolated grounding of CCS (CHAdeMO is isolated) and the communication method is superior, in my opinion with CHAdeMO (it uses the same CAN communication as every car built in the past 30 years, plus a stone simple analog initial communication).

So, in summary:

1) not a fan of CCS
2) I don’t hide that fact

Oh, one final note… there’s a BMW i3 with CCS in my garage right now, accompanied by

2) Mercedes B-Class ED
3) Two Toyota RAV4 EVs

250kW? I’d certainly love it, but I don’t think we’ll see that anytime soon. It is definitely possible but we’ll require better connectors, thicker cables, big batteries that can quickly accept a charge, and great grid connections that can handle such a draw.

So no one is ready for that . . . not the batteries, not the cars, not the connectors, not the chargers, and not the utilities.

But long term, it will be possible. We are gonna need a big cost drop in batteries though since that will allow for bigger batteries in cars that can handle such power. And secondly, that will allow for charging stations to have their own big battery banks so that the grid doesn’t get hit so hard when someone wants to charge up.

Tesla heard all these “expert” views when they just went out and built a worldwide Supercharger network of 135kW chargers (up to 14 stalls per site) and an EV with an 85kWh battery.

Yes, we will get those faster chargers and bigger batteries.

Chademo does continue to lead for now but who knows if that will continue. Nissan is definitely pushing it hard but they’ve hurt by the fact that their fellow Chademo signatories like Honda, Toyota, Mitz, etc. really aren’t putting out much effort because of their fuel cell fetish or just weak offerings.

But the CCS crowd has been worse. The Big 3 US makers (GM, Ford, and Chrysler/Fiat) all signed up for CCS but the only one that put out a car so far is GM . . . and that is just in California, Oregon, and Maryland (I think). Ford & Chrysler can’t seem bothered to even update their Focus & Fiat 500e yet. And none of the US CCS supporters have done a damn thing about installing chargers yet.

The German CCS supporters are little better. BMW & VW now have CCS cars out there. And they’ve inked a deal to install a decent number of CCS chargers.

So CCS is getting started. It will be much more interesting when GM released their 200 mile Bolt.

I think the CHAdeMO chargers are reproducing at one or two a week on average. March did have a sudden jump in their numbers led by Virginia with the construction of a DC Quick charger system along Interstate 95 and Interstate 64.

What is really needed right now is for the DC Quick chargers to start breeding in New Jersey and Delaware along with Maryland. In that the number of DC Quick chargers has remained almost the same give or take two DC chargers for the last two years in New Jersey.

The only bad thing with new chargers is, that they attract politicians to do their blablabla.

Other than the Tesla Supercharger network, the DC fast-charger situation in the USA is pretty pathetic. :-/ A standards war and minor support from a few car makers (Nissan, BMW, etc.)

Stop in at a Nissan dealership with a CHAdeMO during a workday and try to charge your Tesla or other capable car on their CHAdeMO. There is going to be some shunning of “not our car” at these dealerships.

If I’m driving a Mitsubishi i-miev and I pull up to a charger and see a range hogging Tesla at a single Chamo charger. Seeing that Tesla would be my worst nightmare in that you know your day is shot.

Yeah, the whole thing of chargers at dealerships seems like a bad situation. It will always be awkward if your car is not the type that they sell at that dealership.

A considerable amount of the CHAdeMO growth over the past few months has come because automakers and others are now installing dual-standard chargers, so U.S. CHAdeMO and CCS numbers are growing in parallel.

Yes, it seems we’ll be living in a dual hose world in both NA and Europe for some time to come.

Key message: CHAdeMO is not going away any time soon.

The concept of CHAdeMO getting “run out of town” by the German car makers and GM just isn’t going to happen.

They tried, and lost miserably, both in the USA and Europe (they didn’t waste their time in China or Japan).

They tried? When? The problem seems to be that they don’t try.

I’m not exactly sure what you’re referencing, but the attempts of both GM and German auto manufacturers have been well covered.

GM attempted to block government funding for CHAdeMO stations, and fund their stations (which, as we know, they never installed any).

German car makers put on a spectacular attempt to flat outlaw CHAdeMO in Europe by Jan 1, 2019!

Those both failed, and now CHAdeMO is an official EU standard, and of course, CHAdeMO is well established in the USA, and growing daily.

Guys my home town got it’s first DC Quick Charger I’m going to go take some photos of it.

Also Virginia added another 14 new quick chargers at all the Nissan Dealerships from Richmond to Virginia Beach.

Also Lancaster Pennsylvania got their first one in history.

For those of you wondering what ChargePoint is deploying for the VW/BMW contract

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2015/the-ev-revolution-is-coming-charged-by-australian-technology-19884

Rather pleased as it will also help Fast DC in Australia, where there is hardly any deployment, CHAdeMO or CCS