Californians Still Going Plug-in Crazy


Californians have yet to get anywhere near their fill of plug-in vehicles.

LA as Seen From the Goodyear Blimp

LA as Seen From the Goodyear Blimp

For example, it’s now known that Tesla outsold Porsche, Lincoln, Cadillac, Buick, Volvo, Jaguar and Land Rover in California in June, according to statistics released by the New Car Dealers Association of California.

It’s not just Tesla though.

To date, one-third of all electric vehicles sold in the US were purchased by residents of Los Angeles (~13%) and San Francisco (~20%).

Then there’s all of those compliance electrics, like the Honda Fit EV and Fiat 500e.

Before even going on sale, Californians basically bought up all of the Fiat 500es that will make their way into the US this year.

Likewise, once Honda dropped the lease price on the Fit EV, a rush was on in California to get one while supplies last.

Now, there’s that RAV4 EV deal going on, which we’re certain will spark its sales in California.

Years ago, when the Chevy Volt and Nissan LEAF launched, the talk was sales in California.

Today, little has changed.  It’s still that Californians are going plug-in crazy!!!

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What could be fueling this is that as more plug in cars enter the highways in California more people see them and get used to them and are able to understand them which in turn creates more demand.

Yep, its a snowball effect. Over here in Fort Worth it is rare to see one on the roads and most consumers don’t even realize such a thing exists and even if they did they wouldn’t recognize one if they saw it. So it will take longer in cities like mine.

In my area there is no such thing as a electric car and there are tons of how EV’s are bad stores among everyone in that no one has seen a fully electric car.

Not much better in Dallas. I was pleased to receive a thumbs-up from a Tesla driver, probably based on the fact that I actually recognized his vehicle. Yeah, I was driving my EV, too, which probably factored into it…

Still slow here in Houston too, although I did see two Model S (Sig Red and Black) yesterday. There are 3 Volts in my neighborhood, but two are GE employee cars. One of the Volts in new in the last couple months. The other two arrived (~2 years ago) a few months after my LEAF.

I live in a town of about 70,000 in NC. I went to an event at a local museum last month and parked my red Volt beside a white Volt and a blue one. I see a cream, silver, and black one on occasion so unless we are traveling in the same circles they are finding their way to rural America.

Nah . . . we are plug-in sane. Everyone else is gasoline-crazy . . . I don’t want to be addicted to a fuel source that will continually go up in price and is subject to supply disruptions from very unstable exporting countries.

Good point.

Good California here in Virginia Tesla sales in ban. I guess the politicians here are pushing to go back to coal and stem cars with a rifle included of course.

A lot of good reasons mentioned here. I’ll mention one more: Infrastructure. Only WA/OR are possibly better off than CA. And I’m not talking about the puny L2 chargers, of which we have plenty. The only quick charger I know of in NYS is limited to a max output of 9kW, and cuts off after 10 minutes.

There is some infrastructure . . . but ask most EV drivers and most will say they never use it. But I think it is good to have around as a security blanket.

I recently took a trip to Oregon, which lights up like a Christmas tree with fast chargers. I was there 4 days.

I saw ONE EV, a leaf.

Really sad.

Here in San Jose (Silicon valley) they are multiplying like rabbits. We are getting very near the state at which if you throw a rock at the freeway, you will hit a leaf 🙂

And now the real reason … compliance laws in California create market imbalances which force manufacturers to sell EVs at far below their cost, creating what looks like a good deal to the EV buyers. And it is a good deal to the EV buyers, to the detriment of all the other ICE buyers who end up footing the difference (or did you think the manufacturers are eating the extra cost?).

And ICE cars have created smog that have choked California cities and shortened lives for decades much to the detriment to everyone. So it is very nice to encourage zero emission vehicles.

I really hope that CA drops all incentives and requirements soon. What would happen is all of the dusty compliance cars would disappear. And that’s pretty much all.

A lot of these compliance cars like the Honda Fit and Spark EV along with the Fiat EV have a lot of unlocked potential in that they sold out of a lot of them. But at the same time a lot of the car makers seem to hate their EV.

Maybe folks who criticize EV subsidies don’t realize that oil also receives massive subsidies? I’d rather incentivize zero emission vehicles any day.
Add solar to your roof and your fuel cost is low, stable and free of external hidden costs, like negative health impacts, foreign policy complications, trade imbalances and risk of supply disruptions.

The advantages of oil are… ?

Again, not true (oil subsidies). You can repeat this left fantasy as much as you want, it does not make it true.

Well it really depends on how you define ‘subsidy’. Is the US 5th fleet in the Persian Gulf a subsidy to oil? One can certainly make that argument. Is the amount of health insurance and healthcare costs paid due to respiratory diseases caused by burning oil a subsidy? One can certainly make that argument. You add those in and oil is getting huge subsidies.

Now link in global warming and ham sandwiches….

Really? You so no link between the 5th fleet protecting the oil shipping lanes and the oil industry? No connection between air pollution and respiratory disease.

Well, slow people saw no link between cigarettes and lung cancer.

This is a bit off topic from the article…

But I agree that there is not direct subsidy (cash injection), but oil and gas does receive tax incentives from their activities which have a similar effect as the $7500 federal tax credit (reduced tax liability). This oil and gas investment website has a pretty good summary of the tax advantages:

I think the info is dated 2010, so there may be some inaccuracies.

Someone who actually read…. that is an improvement.

Yes, Obama made this same argument, that tax breaks such as equipment depreciation and other costs (exploration) are a “subsidy”. EVERY OTHER BUSINESS IN AMERICA CAN ALSO WRITE THESE BUSINESS EXPENSES OFF.

So what you are saying is that since oil companies are “bad”, they should volunteer to pay more taxes than everyone else, even IF SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED BY THE TAX CODE.

Or we could just pass laws that are specific to the oil companies that disallow their taking deductions. Oh, darn I forgot, a little thing called the CONSTITUTION forbids treating particular parties differently just because you don’t like them.

These advanced depreciations and tax deductions passed onto investors are specific to oil and gas (and a couple other specific forms of energy). Here is an example of trying to extend these advantages to other forms of energy.

These are just facts. It is done to promote the use of domestic energy resources, which is a good thing. I don’t work in Oil and Gas, but I live in Houston and know many people who do.

Now completely off topic…

Love your comparisons page kdawg. We should talk to Jay and see if we could make a version for a static (no pun intended 😉 ) for the site. Would you update it for them?