BYD #1 In World For Plug-In Electric Car Sales In 2017, Beats Tesla Again

3 weeks ago by Mark Kane 47

BYD plug-in electric car sales in China – December 2017

December finally brought some serious increases in BYD’s plug-in electric car sales, which not only reached a new record, but also enabled BYD to become the world’s biggest (sales volume) plug-in manufacturer in 2017.

BYD Qin 100

Last month, BYD delivered in China 15,873 plug-in electric cars (up more than 100% year-over-year).

Because of the slow beginning of the year, total sales in 2017 were 108,612 (up 9%), but that’s still enough for BYD to take the #1 spot in plug-in sales in China (fourth year in a row) and for the world (third year in a row).

Many had hoped that Tesla would’ve grabbed the #1 for the year, but with just over 103,000 sold, that didn’t happen.

BYD sales breakdown:

  • e5 – 1,146 (23,601 YTD)
  • Song DM – 4,634 (30,911 YTD)
  • Qin DM – 4,543 (20,738 YTD)
  • Tang 1,505 (14,592 YTD)
  • e6 – 3,818 (10,215 YTD)
  • Qin EV300 – 40 (4,886 YTD)
  • Song EV300 –  187 (4,013 YTD)

BYD plug-in electric car sales in China – December 2017

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47 responses to "BYD #1 In World For Plug-In Electric Car Sales In 2017, Beats Tesla Again"

  1. Six Electrics says:

    This is a testament to the power of the state in the creation of the BEV market. California, the U.S. Federal government, Europe, but mostly China are the parents of the EV. Not even Nissan, who arguably had the first mainstream electric car in 2011, can take the credit.

  2. Warren says:

    Absolutely. The conservatives I know think EVs are a socialist, one-world conspiracy. My liberal friends think EVs are a corporate capitalist ploy to put off dealing with climate change.

    1. Jiim Whitehead says:

      You can tell both your conservative and liberal friends, they are dead wrong.

      They are both projecting their crazy conspiracy theories and corporate Global Warming plots, the garbage in their heads onto the complex world. They don’t understand that electric vehicles are a long-overdue inevitable historic technology change, where a far superior technology replaces an inferior one, when it gets cheaper AND better at the same time, like the electric light over gas lights, and the car over a horse.

      When they don’t get it, ask them: If you really believe corporations are that diabolical, why don’t you buy a horse? Don’t sell out to “The Man” who sells you a car. Just buy a cheap slow horse and buggy like the Pennsylvania Dutch, and also enjoy using candles and outhouses too. 🙂

  3. Elbonian Engineer says:

    Are BMW data for 2017 already available? Could be above 108k units

    1. yogurt says:

      BMW was a very very close 4th and the distance between 2 and 3rd was minimal too…

      1. Mikael says:

        That is counting Mini sales and then not looking at BMW as a brand but automotive group.

        If looking at automotive groups then Nissan/Renault/Mitsubishi would be up there somewhere.

      2. Emc2 says:

        After BYD Auto, the ranking for 2017 is (as reported by each carmaker, no buts):

        #2 BAIC 103,199 https://wattev2buy.com/electric-vehicles/baic/baic-ec180-ev/

        #3 Tesla 103,084 (cum Tesla’s quarterly reports)

        #4 BMW 103,080 https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0277889EN/bmw-group-remains-world%E2%80%99s-number-one-premium-automotive-company

        The diffs are so small, that only until Tesla publishes the final count (4Q is preliminary) we will be certain.

        BAIC EC-180 was the world’s best-selling plug-in car with 78,079 units
        http://ev-sales.blogspot.ca/2018/01/china-december-2017.html

        So it seems this year it is going to be a race between the EC-180 city car and the Tesla Model 3!

        1. Emc2 says:

          Gasgoo is reporting higher number for the two Chinese EV carmakers with data released by China Passenger Car Association (CPCA). Probably the diff is due to some exports.

          BYD 113,669 units
          BAIC 104,520 units

          That settles 1st and 2nd places.

          http://autonews.gasgoo.com/new_energy/70013135.html

  4. yogurt says:

    Congrats to BYD and as much as I like them this will probably be there last year on top as both Tesla and BAIC will most likely surpass them this year…
    Also BYD is a leader in plug in hybrids and not BEVs which the Chinese seem to prefer and there will be many more companies selling both BEVs and PHEVs this year…
    For BEV sales BAIC was tops followed by Tesla and then Nissan as a distant 3rd…

    1. Vexar says:

      Let us not forget that their products include PHEVs and BEVs. Tesla tops the global BEV sales figures. If you drop the Song DM and Qin DM, you get a headline like this:

      “Tesla dominates BEV global market, 80% more than Chinese BYD”

      But, this turns into a PHEV/BEV flamewar quickly, and I don’t want to go there. The simple fact is that a PHEV is going to, for many drivers, represent an 80% improvement on air quality per mile/km driven.

      2018 will read something to the effect of “Tesla stomps globally in plug-in sales”
      or
      “Tesla outsells Chrysler brand in units sold”

      My personal favorite news nobody is telling:
      “Tesla catching up with Mitsubishi Motors units sold: 600 shy for 2017.”

      1. Mikael says:

        What was it about “For BEV sales BAIC was top followed by Tesla…” you didn’t understand?

        1. Vexar says:

          Alas, the title was Plug-In, not BEV, comrade. Read up on the BYD vehicles.

          1. Vexar says:

            And Emc2’s links suggest BAIC tops, as you stated, however this (referenced above)
            http://ev-sales.blogspot.ca/2018/01/china-december-2017.html

            Suggests BAIC is behind both Tesla and BYD for units sold, unless sold also outside China.

            1. Mikael says:

              Those are just the top 20, they don’t show all models. And BAIC also sells some EVs outside China.

              Testa delivered 102 862 BEVs and BAIC at least 103 199. The only question is if that is with or without the sales outside China

              http://www.autonewschina.com/en/article.asp?id=17146

  5. Another Euro point of view says:

    In 2018, BYD will likely be behind Tesla and BAIC. The BAIC EV series are currently sold at a rate of 13K per month in China. So I would say in 2018, Tesla 1st, BAIC 2nd, Nissan 3rd, BMW or BYD 4th (an no, all Chinese EVs are not all small golf carts for those stuck in the 20th century). Tesla will also continue to lead far in front regarding losses made. I bet at least 3 billion $.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      “…all Chinese EVs are not all small golf carts for those stuck in the 20th century)”

      No, not all of them. But in China there is no sharp distinction between low-speed NEVs (Neighborhood Electric Vehicles) and fully highway-capable EVs.

      There are a surprising number of Chinese EVs which are in between the two categories, with a top speed in the neighborhood of 50 MPH.

      China has an amazing number of tiny auto makers, which unfortunately is suppressing the ability of most Chinese auto makers (other than BYD) of growing to the size they need to be to be truly competitive on the world market. One reason, perhaps the primary reason, for this proliferation of tiny auto makers rather than a few large ones, is the way China’s prefecture (regional) laws favor local and regional protectionism, promoting sales of locally made cars but erecting barriers to those same companies being able to sell across the entirety of China.

      Such local “prefecture” governments are a hold-over from the days of Imperial China — or even before! It’s going to be interesting to see if China can finally rid itself of these barriers to modern, international trade; barriers which are a Chinese tradition going back at least centuries and possibly millennia.

      1. Mikael says:

        They need be have a top speed greater than 100 km/h (62 miles/h) to be called NEVs and counted in the statistics and getting incentives.

        The speed limit on Chinese national highways is 100 km/h.

        (and then there are expressways with 120 km/h speed limit too, and minimum speed limit 60 km/h unless all the traffic moves slower of course).

        Those cars are not what you or I would buy, but they are very much highway capable in China. Not that Americans would buy Japanese Kei-cars or the European top selling EV the Renault Zoe either.

    2. Get Real says:

      Another Euro Troll once again shows his Serial anti-Tesla bias and ignorance of Tesla’s fast growing capital assets like the world’s biggest battery factory and its growing market share of first compelling, long range capable BEVs and stationary power storage.

  6. Roy_H says:

    Is the Song PHEV the only PHEV? Are all the others pure BEVs?

    1. Mikael says:

      The Qin DM and Tang are also PHEVs. There is supposed to be a Song EV300, a BEV that is, too but I don’t know if they managed to build any even though it should have been launched.

      1. p-run says:

        4,013 YTD

        1. Mikael says:

          I would love to see a source to that, not because I don’t believe you but because I have not been able to find anything myself and would be happy to see it for myself. 🙂

          1. Mikael says:

            I plead temporarily insanity and partial blindness. 😉

  7. Daniel Lavia says:

    No news to report on BAIC (also beat Tesla) and the 2017 #1 best seller EV in the world, the BAIC EC-Series (with 78079 sales)…?

  8. Benz says:

    In 2018 Tesla will sell/deliver more than 100,000 of the Tesla Model 3.

    In 2018 Nissan will sell/deliver more than 100,000 of the Nissan Leaf.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      “In 2018 Tesla will sell/deliver more than 100,000 of the Tesla Model 3.”

      We hope! 🙂

      “In 2018 Nissan will sell/deliver more than 100,000 of the Nissan Leaf.”

      Chances are slim and none. The highest global annual sale figure for the Leaf was ~60,000, and it’s been dropping since. It’s already going back up with the longer range (not surprising), but the Leaf still doesn’t have a battery pack TMS (Thermal Management System). Also, EV buyers now have more, and better, choices.

      There is also the question of battery supply. Nissan sold off its battery factories, so is now dependent on the number of batteries that battery suppliers are able and willing to sell them.

      1. Yogurt says:

        Slim and none… that is silly…

        Nissan chances are very good to hit 100k…
        Nissan has no trouble scaling production and has three factories worldwide and sells the Leaf in most countries many of which have BEV sales steady rising…
        Comparing a 24 to 40 kwh battery sales at the same price??
        Comparing a freak show looking vehicle (and I bought one) with a normal looking one is also irrevelant…
        Most places where the Leaf sells good are not Phoenix or LA so TMS does not matter as much and since they will mostly be leases TMS is irreverent then…

        1. Asak says:

          I don’t think Leafs even have an issue in LA. Have no doubt about it, there’s a big difference in climate between Phoenix and Los Angeles, or even San Diego which is further south. Southern California doesn’t have the brutal summers of the inland Southwest.

      2. Yogurt says:

        Nissan lack of owning the battery factory now is a plus not a minus…
        Nissan is perfectly capable of signing contracts…

        1. Get Real says:

          And… they will have to get in line with other laggard OEMs also signing these battery contracts.

  9. Don Zenga says:

    We know that BYD will beat Tesla, but they are selling both BEVs and PHVs. PHVs can travel only 30 km – 80 km (20 miles – 50 miles) on the battery, but the Model S/X can travel the full distance of 400 km – 550 km (250 – 350 miles) on electricity alone.

    In a overall environmental perspective, Tesla with its 100% BEV sales overtakes BYD, BMW by a big margin.

    I believe on 2017-12-18, BMW announced their 100,000 sales, no idea as what is their tally at the end or last year, may be somewhere around 104,000 – 105,000 and they should be #2 in sales with Tesla as #3. Again BMW sells lot of plugins with only 1 BEV in their entire lineup (i3).

    1. Don Zenga says:

      Oh, I take it back.
      As per EMC2 comment, the ranking goes as
      1. BYD
      2. BAIC
      3. Tesla
      4. BMW

      Still Tesla’s #3 sales is no ordinary feat given that its only a developing company.

      1. Rick Rowling says:

        BYD was founded in the same year as Tesla, so maybe it should also be considered a developing company?

        1. super390 says:

          BYD was a battery company that bought one of China’s many little car manufacturers in order to eventually develop EVs. So it really didn’t start from scratch – but it did start with an all-gas lineup.

        2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          BYD was founded in 1995, as a rechargeable battery maker. Perhaps you are referring to BYD Auto, the division which was created in 2003, the same year Tesla Motors was founded by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning (and not that Johnny-come-lately Musk guy).

    2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      “We know that BYD will beat Tesla, but they are selling both BEVs and PHVs. PHVs can travel only 30 km – 80 km (20 miles – 50 miles) on the battery, but the Model S/X can travel the full distance of 400 km – 550 km (250 – 350 miles) on electricity alone.”

      A few older InsideEVs articles compared the kWh of batteries in PEVs sold, and of course Tesla easily beats BYD on that basis.

      While that’s an attractive comparison to a Tesla fan like me, at the same time I think it’s unfair. If the Chinese market is well served by PEVs with an average lower range, then why shouldn’t BYD make and sell cars to serve its domestic demand?

      On the other hand, if and when BYD gets serious about making and selling PEVs in first-world countries, then the limited speed, limited range PEVs that sell well in China simply aren’t going to cut it.

      1. Asak says:

        I wonder whether many of their cars would even pass safety standards in other countries. It wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t.

      2. Mikael says:

        You might want to look at the models BYD are offering before implying that they don’t cut it internationally.

        They are pretty large vehicles, top speeds of 150+ km/h, the BEVs have batteries starting fron 48 kWh and up to 82 kWh, the PHEVs ~20 kWh for 100 km electric range, 0-100 times from 4,4 seconds and most are below 8 seconds.
        They also look good in general and come with the luxury most people need or want.

        Hopefully they have made good use of their state of the art crash testing facility too.

        It will be interesting to see when they decide to launch them in numbers in western countries.

    3. James says:

      BYD also sold 14254 electric buses in 2017, and those buses run much more than those Teslas with much more passengers. The average electric bus in China runs 100 miles per day with more than 50 passengers on it. If you count the passenger miles, it could be equivalent of 3 millions of Tesla
      BYD is also selling electric delivery trucks, garbage trucks, etc.

      1. Don Zenga says:

        This makes sense.
        Yes 14254 electric buses gives a big boost for BYD considering the fact that each bus runs 100 miles/day and they are much bigger.

      2. Yogurt says:

        +1
        BYD has also been producing solar panels for years with multiple factories around the world and a newly opened one in Brazil this year…

  10. James says:

    BYD’s major problem is that their LiFePO battery is not very competitive for cars. For buses and local trucks, it has obvious advantages, such as better battery life and safety. However, LiFePO has lower energy density, and the voltage-discharge curve is too flat for the BMS to tell the remaining capacity, especially in cold weather. That hurts their recent car sales.

    BYD is shifting to LiNiMnCo or LiNiCoAl for their all electric passenger cars. That would help sales in the future.

    1. Yogurt says:

      BYD is also getting smaller subsidies from the Chinese government because of that…
      I beleive they have shifted their PHEV to a newer more energy dense chemistry that gets the full subsudies and are supposed to move their BEVS to it this year…

  11. Nix says:

    Warren Buffett vs. Elon Musk

    A battle of titans, where plug-in’s win no matter who sells more! I love it!

    1. Mikael says:

      That is the great thing about it, and sometimes forgotten. 100k each out of a 80+ million pie.

  12. Benz says:

    What about the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance?

    How many Plug-In vehicles did they deliver in 2017?

  13. marco loglio says:

    BJEV sales in 2017 103.199 electric cars, probably more then Tesla, and second in the world after BYD

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