BREAKING: Elon Musk: Tesla Battery Swapping Now Operational

DEC 19 2014 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 43

Battery Swapping Now Reality For Tesla!

Battery Swapping Now Reality For Tesla!

Battery Swapping Is Here

Battery Swapping Is Here

Elon Musk has just announced that battery swapping for the Tesla Model S is now reality.

Per Musk’s Tweet, a battery swap station just opened along the San Francisco to Los Angeles, California route, which confirms the company’s earlier prediction of the first station going online in December from earlier this year.

It’s in beta mode (otherwise known as early testing phase), but the site is apparently open as of right now.

The location of the swap station is right near Tesla’s existing Harris Ranch Supercharging station, which is about 200 miles north of Los Angeles.

Update:  Tesla has put out a press release on the first station and the pilot program – which can be read here.

Harris Ranch Supercharger Info

Harris Ranch Supercharger Info

 

Video (below): Earlier demo and reveal of the Tesla battery swap program by CEO Elon Musk

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43 Comments on "BREAKING: Elon Musk: Tesla Battery Swapping Now Operational"

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Sublime

I’m still curious about the details of how the packs are handled. How they give your pack back? How many can it hold in limbo? How do they quantify what your pack is worth vs the one you receive if you keep it?

David Murray

Well, I guess some people will have to eat crow who were saying that Musk over promised and wouldn’t be able to deliver on that promise before the end of the year.

mhpr262

Many detractors have come before them …

taser54

Is a self-admitted beta product delivered?

Honestly, for a company that preaches getting things right before releasing a product, it sure has released a lot of unfinished work.

Mark

+1

Philip

Mark and taser54 . . . Possibly Tesla’s customers understand that it’s better to aim high and get part way there than not to bother in the first place and, consequently, get nowhere. Time and again Tesla have proved this to be the case.

This is obviously not a mindset you guys are familiar with.

Tim

You’d find the downside if they cured cancer.

Cynic

“You’d find the downside if they cured cancer.”

Well what do YOU think will happen to carbon emissions if they cure cancer 😉 jk

James B.

Not to mention literately 1,000’s of research jobs lost, medical staff layoffs, and the complete dismantling of the American Cancer Society.

Why do you hate ‘Merica?

QCO

There is no such thing as over promise when substantial CARB credits are involved!

Those credits no longer apply.

Nice try.

Kilgore Trout

Fast-refueling credits have already been awarded. Also 300 mile range credits. All with a wink and an nudge.

Big Solar

or when there is no competition

Alaa

Soon there will be more of these than the Hydrogen filling station. And maybe Tesla will double the range like they doubled the motors. I personally prefer even just a 120kwh battery than a dual motor.

Bryan Whitton

I don’t know, I think I would like both. Think of it.12kWh battery and more distance through efficiency with the non-P D model. Sounds real good to me. 🙂 Not that I can afford any of them at this time.

Sublime

Would be cool if the base Model 3 came with a 35kWh-ish battery, but could be swapped with a loaner 70kWh+ for road trips. Like how Nissan and BMW offer loaner cars for a certain number of days a year, but much more convenient (if there were a good number of swap stations).

It really needs to be a 50kWh battery with a 75-100kWh option.

Brian

I don’t know, Tony. I could certainly make due with a 35kWh battery in day-to-day use. Heck, my Leaf’s 24kWh battery is working fine. Swapping a larger battery is better than “Just-take-the-Prius”.

Once you swap to the larger battery, you can either continue to swap, or use the superchargers for your trip.

Brian

make do*

Lustuccc

Very good idea to loan a bigger battery for an occasionnal longer journey!

Considering how CARB nerfed the ZEV credits for fast-swap battery stations, I don’t think they’ll be proliferating quickly.

Tesla “nerfed” the battery swapping credits by demonstrated, but never building the stations.

Bill Howland

TOny, this is an interesting point which should be common knowledge but to me, is not.

If you put on your ‘green eye shade’ for a minute, how much does Tesla get for its supercharger stations, pack changing station, demonstrating proof-of-concept, etc.

1). $2000 option on each car for Supercharger access.

2). Additional credit for building the supercharger stations – how much ‘subsidy’ do they get for each station or stall?

3). How much credit do they get for proof-of- concept swap, and then how much ‘subsidy’ for each working ‘swap station’?

Keef Wivaneff

I bet you this will not be open to the public.
They will just churn through some specially tricked up cars in a charade to fool the CARB inspectors and scoop up another load of ZEV credits.

Stephen Pace

@Keith: Give it a rest. You were top of the list of people saying this station would never open. That it couldn’t work. That the original swap event was completely faked. And now that the station is about to open, even in beta, you still suggest it is still a stunt. Good luck with that.

Can’t wait to see a video of a battery swap in the wild.

Alaa

There is another HUGE military advantage for this battery swapping. Number 1 is that the swapping takes less time than filling a gas tank. The other advantage for the military is that they can do without supply china and supply line of at least the fuel; since they can produce or generate electricity at the point of use and store it at the point of use too to be ready for swapping. WOW

Rick Danger

Not to mention, they would not have to worry about tracking which pack ends up in which vehicle.

Stephen

Is this beta testing available to any owners?

no comment

there is a certain amount of BS in this video: note that musk is giving the option of “faster versus free”, where using the supercharger and waiting 30-60 minutes is “free” while battery swap is “faster” (and by implication, not “free”). what musk doesn’t tell you is how “not free” the battery swap is. you can safely bet that the “not free” cost is a lot more than the cost of a fill up.

Foo

I think he stated that it will be “about” the cost of a fill-up.

Shall we say $20 at current gas prices?

Tim

And as we know, today’s gas prices are now fixed for years to come.

no comment

where did musk say that? tesla has been talking battery swap for a few years, the scheme that was previously described was one in which you could swap out your battery on the road and subsequently swap back in your original battery. it is hard to imagine such a system would operate for “about the cost of a fill-up”. the inventory costs for battery swap would make this scheme a lot more expensive than supercharging. whatever the actual cost is, it will probably be fine for the high-end customers which tesla currently serves, but that isn’t a high volume segment. but the obstacles in this system aren’t technical since it appears that tesla is doing a good job of attacking the technical obstacles.

Brian

“where did musk say that?”

In the original unveiling of the swap station.

He also said it while an Audi was shown filling its tank for about $100. In my mind, that is the target.

I would not be willing to pay $100 for 250 miles, but then again I don’t mind waiting for 30-60 minutes. It costs me $35 to fill up the hybrid, and that’s at $4 gas! Today it’s about $20. No way will a battery swap cost that little.

Rob Stark

About the cost of filling an S Class with premium.

no comment

so we’re talking about a cost of around $75 for a battery swap. that’s pretty steep but not really a problem for the customer base that tesla serves. keep in mind, that 20 gallons in an ICE will typically get you about 500 miles of range, where a fully charged model s battery will get you 150-300 miles.

it appears that the actual battery swap time is 3 minutes and not the 90 seconds shown in the video, but that is still pretty good. if it were me, i would pay for the battery swap versus waiting 30-60 minutes for a free recharge at a supercharger station.

i assume that there would be extra costs if you want to get tesla to return your battery. i personally don’t know that a battery return would be necessary because tesla would warrant the swap battery so as long as they warrant the battery to be able to store a minimum amount of charge, it seems to me that there would be little need to want to get the original battery back.

JakeY

Back then the number thrown around was about $60. I think the number is intended to be about the same cost of filling up a full size luxury sedan with premium fuel.

It’s high enough so they aren’t losing as much money, but not so high that no one would ever want to use it.

More details (although far from full) are now available on Tesla’s blog.

Apparently this will start next week to “invited drivers”.

http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/battery-swap-pilot-program

Lensman

Still a lot of potentially troubling issues about battery swapping. Beta stage means it may– or may not– advance to that swap station being available to every Model S owner who wants to use it.

I’m somewhat confused about the carbon credits thing. I know that CARB changed its rules about providing carbon credits for battery swapping, which is why Tesla lost interest rather suddenly after first announcing a battery swap program… but I thought I’d read that a more recent change to CARB’s rules would allow for -some- carb credits, altho a much smaller number?

At any rate, I will be very surprised indeed if we see any Tesla battery swap stations outside California.

Lensman
“No Comment” wrote: “…it seems to me that there would be little need to want to get the original battery back.” Contrariwise, the plan as previously described by Tesla assumes most Model S owners will want to get their own battery pack back on the return trip, and that Tesla will charge your account if you don’t, for the difference in perceived value between your pack and the newer one. Seems to me that if I was a Model S owner, I’d want to be sure to get my original pack back, because who knows how a borrowed pack might have been abused by another renter? In fact, it seems to me the most likely renter to -not- want his original pack returned is the one who knows he has abused his pack, and is hoping to get a better one “on the cheap”. Would you want to wind up owning one of those? What has surprised me most is the charge for swapping your own pack back in. My original guess was that Tesla would provide that for free, to encourage everyone to pick up their old pack on the return trip. But nothing is set in stone at… Read more »
Independent Observer

This will all be moot by end of 2015. EEStor had a testing break through! Word on the street is that it will be commercial by next Christmas with Zennergy!!!!

Bill Howland

So am I to understand that the swap is $50, but then the model S owner *MUST* return the loaner battery, and ‘reswap’ his original??

The logistics of that at the battery swap station are ‘interesting’ to say the least. Is it roboticized or is there a human doing the swapping? If roboticized, is there a carosel with enough space for the tardy owner returning weeks later?