Bollore Might Sell Bluecar To General Public In U.S.

OCT 18 2015 BY MARK KANE 8

Bollore Bluecars

Bollore Bluecar

Several weeks after launching the BlueIndy electric car sharing scheme in Indianapolis, Bolloré is considering putting Bluecars on sale for individuals and fleets in the U.S.

According to an interview released by Automotive News, Bolloré is in talks with some large corporations, who are interested in using Bluecars.

Bluecars are equipped with 30 kWh batteries, just like the new Nissan LEAF, although Bluecars special, high-temperature lithium-metal polymer batteries like to be hot (which takes up some energy).

Range in Europe (via the NEDC system) is pegged at 250 km (160 mi) in the city, 150 km (93 miles) on the highway, which would probably translate to about 90-95 miles if rated by the EPA for sale in the US.

Bolloré first wants to prove quality and reliability of Blucars and BlueIndy, but is open to different possibilities and even bringing production of Bluecars to the US volume justifies this move.

“We do not have a timetable for selling our Bluecar in the U.S., but it is something that we will seriously consider when our car-sharing service will have demonstrated the quality and reliability of our cars. We also need to build the required organization to offer a perfect service to our clients.”

“If the success is what we hope, it would be no reason why we wouldn’t produce the car in North America.”

US Bluecars are slightly different than the French version. The U.S. models have more airbags and air conditioning. Also, size is slightly bigger and weight a tad higher.

Bolloré seems bullish on battery durability:

“First you put it in a car. Then you will put it in another car, if the [original] car [is] not any more usable. After that, you will still use it for stationary applications. It will still be usable to store energy.”

Currently the EV can be bought in France for €19,000 (~$21,300 USD) plus a €80 (~$90USD) monthly fee for the batteries.  So far in 2015, 552 have been sold in that country, although we should note that the Bollore is now being assembled in Dieppe by Renault since June, so sales have taken a bit of a hit on the production pause as a result;  it seems as older inventory has sold out waiting on new models.

Source: Automotive News

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Bollore’s lithium-metal polymer batteries are solid-state batteries, which currently have “no real performance advantage” over lithium-ion batteries.

“Bolloré Group executives argue that its solid-state design makes it much safer than the standard lithium-ion batteries used in Nissan’s Leaf and Tesla Motors’ Model S, which contain flammable liquid electrolytes. They also argue that it will eventually surpass the lithium-ion battery in its ability to operate between rechargings.” Analysts have “predicted that it would not be until the 2020s that solid-state batteries would begin to reach their full technological potential and make an impact on the market.”

Let me have one here in AZ. we’ll see how hot the batteries like to be.

Hmmm, interesting that this BEV uses batteries that require an operating temperature above room temperature.

I wonder what the “vampire drain” is from the battery heater? And how that would compare to the vampire drain on, for example, the Volt or the Tesla Model S in cold weather?

I’m glad to see different battery techs being deployed in cars being used in the real world. Experimentation and competition are needed to push the EV revolution forward.

That would be great if this car could be available in the US. I was actually just recently wishing that it could be. I’m not sure about paying almost $100 a month for the battery tho. How would it be more economical to have an electric car when there is that amount of money going out of your pocket every month?

Our Phoenix Elec Auto Association would love to test them for DESERT HEAT testing here in Phoenix. If they are good here they can sell them anyplace.

The reason why Bolloré uses Batscap LMP batteries is not technical. It’s commercial : Batscap is owned by the Bolloré Group.

These batteries must be kept at 80°C (176°F) in order to perform optimally.
The Bolloré Bluecar don’t have any fancy heat management system, the batteries just cool down fast if unused and must be heated to remain functional.
As a result the batteries have huge vampire drain. The cars must be used constantly in order for the system to be viable.

It’s fine for a car-sharing program where cars are used all the time throughout the day, but it’s not suitable for a personal vehicle.

If Bolloré wants to sell a lot of these cars to indivduals, they should redesign the battery’s heat management to prevent heat loss when the car is not in use.

Typical discharge rate to keep the battery hot is about 1.5% per hour. People usually report 300 to 400 W to keep the battery hot.

This car is however nice for car sharing & fleets. The U.S. color looks better than the one we do have in Paris, which looks as dirty as never beeing washed…

The more the better.
That would make it ideal for hot state such as Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and else, or in plain desert.
But not many people live in desert.
80c° is pretty hot and wasteful and up north, not so efficient to keep.
Is safety still an issue?
Anybody heard of a Leaf battery induced fire?