Bollinger Motors Announces New B2 Electric Pickup Truck

OCT 10 2018 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 94

Despite the fact that the Bollinger B1 has yet to materialize, the B2 is now revealed.

Bollinger says as it works through the final stages of the development of its all-electric B1 Sport Utility Truck, the all-new B2 makes perfect sense. The company refers to it as its new all-electric, all-wheel-drive, street-legal pickup truck. Company founder Robert Bollinger shares:

The new B2 incorporates everything that we’ve learned in making the B1, and takes it in an exciting new direction. It’s always been the plan to have both the B1 and B2 start off our line-up. Now that we have so much incredible data from testing our B1 prototype, we can put all of that engineering knowledge into our final four-door B1 and B2 vehicles. It’s the Pickup I always wanted and something crazy better than what’s available on the market today.

Very similar to the B1 truck, the B2 relies on two motors, a 120-kWh battery pack, in-wheel portal gear hubs, and a hydropneumatic suspension. It also boasts lots of storage space complete with a large frunk, and unique pass-through doors for hauling long cargo. Bollinger says the B2 was designed for storage. It features a 4-foot-one-inch by 5-foot-9-inch bed. It can fit up to 72 sheets of 4×8 plywood with the internal cab tailgate open and can haul some 5,000 pounds.

Bollinger Motors also disclosed that its new headquarters is now located in Michigan. It moved its operations out of New York and into the Motor City to better take advantage of the automotive network in the Detroit area.

The B2 will be built in 2020 alongside the company’s B1 pickup truck. Reservations for both vehicles are already open and no deposit is required.

Source: Bollinger Motors

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94 Comments on "Bollinger Motors Announces New B2 Electric Pickup Truck"

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William

Bring it Bollinger!

TJKR

Nice Bollinger. You went from 1 truck that dont exist and you can’t buy to 2 trucks that dont exist and you can’t buy! That’s 100% increase! That is progress my friends.

Dimitrij

Yep, 10, even 5 years ago this would have been some stunning news, but now that we have – literally – millions of real-life BEV’s running around, it’s kind of hard to get excited about a computer generated image of something that may or may not come.

Cypress

The Tesla Pickup doesnt even exist
As a render yet.

Mark.ca

So? Why are you obsessed with them anyway?

Robert Weekley

As it should not be, since it has not been “Announced”, let alone “Unveiled!”

I remember a Rumor that began in March, 2016, that the Model 3 Unveiling on March 31st, would show ‘Pictures’, such that it got blown out of reality, with the press saying the “Model 3 Unveiling would only show pictures!”

So, Yeah, Right!

F150 Brian

Go ahead and complain, ’cause that’s productive.
The B2 is one of the front runners in the BEV pickup market since you can reserve one.
Hey Tesla, where’s your pickup?

TJKR

It can only be a front runner in the BEV pickup market when its actually available in the market. This is just another Lucid Air or Faraday Future.

antrik

Unlike Lucid and Faraday Future, these guys actually have something unique in the works, not just a “me too”.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Oh, please. Faraday Future was, and probably still is, an “all hat and no cattle” company making wildly over-the-top claims and exposing embarrassing, clueless business plans.

Bolinger appears to have a sensible business plan, hasn’t made any outlandish claims, appears to have produced one or more working prototypes, and has generated a lot of interest in their trucks. That’s no guarantee that they’ll succeed, but at least they appear to be on the right path!

antrik

Why do you have to bring Tesla into this?…

Cypress

Elon, just buy these guys out and start mass production of their trucks.

TJKR

I was thinking the same thing. However this thing maybe awesome off road but goes against all highway safety sense. Frankly speaking, it looks like a deathtrap if you are going 75mph on the 405. For that reason I think Tesla will steer clear.

Vexar

Tesla builds the three safest cars ever tested. For this reason alone, they won’t buy the technology. They might buy the company and ditch the designs, great way to get talented engineers. I can see a product manager or two being let loose, however.

What Bollinger may consider doing is building an armored version of this for light cavalry purposes. Unlike gasoline, lithium is not explosive. It burns pretty steadily, sure.

Bill Howland

The fed govt has repeatedly told Tesla to stop saying things that they have never said – the latest incantation of the Gov’t’s Ire was yesterday…. But they’re doing it again. Does it take a FINE to make them stop fibbing?

Vexar

I don’t know what you mean. NHTSA safety ratings were posted here. The SEC is run by an oil mogul. Catch the details, they are interesting.

MTN Ranger

From their FAQ:

“Will the trucks have airbags?
No, air bags will not be in the final produced trucks. We are engineering the B1 and B2 to safety standards that exceed federal regulation using seat belts.”

That does give me some pause.

TJKR

In lieu of airbags you can wear a football helmet when you drive.

Cypress

Class 3 trucks don’t require airbags. These things are going to crush anything they run into. No need for airbags.

Andy

At 5,000lb? That’s less than the weight of an average 150/1500 series pickup on the road now.

It’s got some extremely weird specs. It’s somehow extremely light (perhaps because of the missing safety features?) yet has a massive payload giving it the same GVWR as a 350/3500 pickup, but with the HP and Torque of a 150/1500. To top it off it has a short bed (even with the weird internal slide, rather than tailgate overhang option), a short range (less when towing or with the 5,000lb) and a low tow capacity.

I feel like its designed to be a toy for those that would consider a high end Wrangler (or the upcoming Jeep Pickup), with the GVWR set so they don’t have to deal with standard safety features to save cost/time…

wavelet

That massive GVWR on that size vehicle is theoretical. I don’t think it’s actually possible to load it that heavily except maybe with gold bricks (-: . AFAICS, only reason they’re doing it that way is to avoid having to install airbags and undergo standard crash testing, which is sleazy in my book. IIRC, however, that also means they can’t be driven in the EU with a standard driver’s license (too high GVWR).

antrik

They can reduce GVWR for EU variants… Don’t know though whether that would bring back safety requirements.

Andy

Ever loaded gravel/sand into the back of a pickup truck? 5000 lb is less than 2 yards of it. It would actually be extremely easy to fill that to its GVWR. :p

But I agree with you, It is a little sleezy, but if it’s more of a toy for those looking for something to play with off road (like the Rubicon Jeep) then safety features like airbags are less of an importance.

And this won’t sell in Europe (or anywhere outside of North America for that matter), just as Full size US pickups don’t sell either. They’re way too big. That’s not to say a few people won’t import them privately though.

Pushmi-Pullyu

It does seem bizarre to me that they’re offering a vehicle with such a heavy cargo/hauling capacity, but are not offering a long-bed variant. I wonder why? Seems to me they’re cutting out part of their potential market there.

Pushmi-Pullyu

I can see the justification for not putting airbags into a truck designed for off-road use at construction sites and similar uses, which as I understand it is the intended market for the B1.

But if the B2 is intended as a street-legal “pickup”, which to me means a passenger vehicle, then it seems very questionable that they’re refusing to put in air bags. Even if that’s allowed by law, it will surely lose them some sales.

I think the real problem here is with the label. A Class 3 truck isn’t a “pickup”, even if it has a similar shape.

wavelet
These vehicles would have zero market if they wouldn’t be road-legal. If they weren’t, they’d be essentially useless — you couldn’t even take them on a supply run to the nearest town from a worksite, or drive to the owning company’s HQ. Most work vehicles aren’t used in complete no-road-whatsoever environments — they’re more likely used on rough non-sealed roads, but most of those are public, and the same laws apply to them as to any public asphalt street. Basically, the only place I can think of a non-road-legal light truck might be useful is forestry roads in Maine, many of which are private. That’s a tiny market. I found the InsideEVs interview with Robert Bollinger where he explicitly admits that’s the reason for being class 3: https://insideevs.com/bollinger-b1s-weight-electric-truck/ “We are going to be fully road legal to federal motor vehicle safety standards as a Class 3 Truck. We do not need to do airbags, and we do not need to do crash testing as an entry point. What do we do as we get bigger and all that kind of stuff is another question. Right now we know we fit in a class if it goes this way, if we… Read more »
Andy

Perhaps it’s different in the US (and in some industries it certainly seems that way), but without 5* safety features these trucks won’t sell to larger companies (whether road legal or not). Industries like Mining have extremely high safety standards and bypassing crash testing and airbags will kill any chance of them being interested, “Class 3” or not.

As examples of what I mean, just one major mining companies requirements from 2012 (Australia).
https://www.themotorreport.com.au/car-review/bhp-billiton-announce-5-star-safety-requirement-for-entire-fleet-75925.html

Mining companies have also forced Toyota to increase the safety of their Hilux/Landcruiser pickups in recent years, a market that may well be interested in the Bollinger for around mine work, where range isn’t much of an issue.

Robert Weekley

Full, Dual, Shoulder Strap Restraints installed, per seat, take away the Air Bag Requirements, it seems to me!

Quinten

Looks like a Lada with a bed lol

antrik

The Lada has less straight edges.

=j

IDK. I think it looks more like the old “Rambo Lambo”, Lamborghini LM002.

Andy

Or a Humvee.

Benedictus

When will they employ someone for exterior design?

Dav8or

No kidding. The DIY shop project look is ridiculous. And then there is aerodynamics. It’s still a BEV and still important.

Cypress

Obviously you are not the target market. Go buy a Prius.

Cypress

Why? It’s an awesome truck. I worry the Tesla will be too feminine and curvy for the truck crowd. It’s gotta look rugged. Even if that means sacrificing some aero.

Derek

I worry about that too, or Elon goes the other way, and overdoes it by using the Semi chassis and making a massive truck which few would want.

Robert Weekley

But such a truck is more likely to catch the eye of those who need an F650 size Truck, with All Wheel Drive, and 25,000 Lbs Towing, for example!

antrik

The exterior design is great. It looks rugged and unique yet elegant in its own way. I bet it will be a huge hit with the intended audience.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Given the popularity of the Hummer, perhaps their design is perfect for the intended market. 🙂

wavelet

They specifically went for very simple outside panels for modularity and ease of manufacturing. See
https://insideevs.com/bollinger-b1s-weight-electric-truck/
“We had a chassis before we had a final design. That chassis had to hold this, had to do this. It really did grow from the inside out. I remember many different designs. The reason for the flat panels is that we could bend them ourselves. We ended up sending them off to some benders to bend because we are too busy with a million things. We didn’t want to do forming and all these additional costs because it’s the way I like it and you can actually make it yourself in a shop if you want to.”
Yes, this will have bad aerodynamics, but long road trips at highway speeds aren’t the main purpose (most ICE AWD trucks suck w.r.t. fuel economy anyway), so probably NBD.

John

“Our first one was SO good, we skipped production and went right to the even BETTER second one!”

Bill Howland

It would be nice if we could get some detailed specs for EITHER vehicle. When the company won’t release them, I have the nagging feeling that THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT THE SPECS ARE EITHER!

TJKR

The biggest ? is price. Is thing going to be priced for the everyday joe who’s thinking about replacing his 97′ F-150 or priced so only the Queen of England can afford it. Probably the latter. I can imagine Queen Elizabeth off roading in this thing around Balmoral.

Cypress

Average pickup is $45k. But the B1/B2 are class 3 trucks. So definitely going to be in the higher end. $50-$65k?

TJKR

No way, this B1 will be $100K+ at small volume.

Derek

Yup, my money is the shorter range version will be 70k, and a longer range
(200+ mile) version for 90k.

wavelet

I’d expect at least $80K for the SR, $100K for the LR, with no options (no power takeoff etc.), and decently equipped to go $15K above that. The production runs are going to be small, and basically build-to-order only.

Cypress

As a class 3 truck, they get to skip a lot of expensive equipment and testing.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Yeah, with such a small production run, I would think closer to $100k than to $50k. Maybe in the range of $75k-90k?

Big Solar

i think its on their website

Cypress

They specs for the B1 on their website.

Cypress

Lots of specs on their website.

antrik

They aren’t skipping anything. They are adding another body variant on the same platform. Like every other truck maker on the planet…

Pushmi-Pullyu

Right. The negative comments about adding a variant appear pretty clueless.

BoltUp

Love the B1, but the proportions of the B2 just look…off.

Cypress

It looks really long. Would be interested to see it next to say an F150 crew cab with the extended bed.

Andy

It’s actually around 2 foot shorter than a Crew Cab with a short (5’6″) box or the extended cab with a short (6’6″) box.

Breakover and departure angles are about the same as a stock F-150 so the “additional” 6″ of ground clearance is presumably the difference between the diffs and the “true” ground clearance (the body), so it still has the same issues conventional pickups have off road, even though the approach angle is a lot better.

Tid

There are no differentials in the B1 or B2.
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Andy

Exactly. The diffs are much lower on an ICE pickup than the chassis (which I meant to say, instead of body earlier) and where traditionally ground clearance is measured to (But not always). As there are no diffs on an EV the ground clearance will likely be to the chassis, which is probably around the same height as an ICE chassis.

Whether that difference in ground clearance is actually relevant to your usages will depend on what you’re driving over. Rocks, certainly, but over sand and mud the diffs aren’t much of an issue and the clearance between tyre and chassis is more important.

Hope that clarifies what I meant.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Well, if you ever wondered what a Brick with wheels looks like, here ya go……

William

No wind tunnel testing necessary!

Derek

Except they did wind tunnel test it, and found out it’s as aerodynamic as a dog taking a sh*t, running backwards.

Cypress

And added a chamfer to the front to improve efficiency by 15%

groingo

Makes sense, the pickup market is huge now you gotta start building the stuff for sale, still wish you’d dump the metal body for plastic though, that would make you stand out even further in the Tough Truck market.

Derek

Ummm yeeeeeaaaaaaaah, we all know in the middle of winter when it’s -30 that plastic is super strong. s/

groingo

Worked for all six of my Saturns in Anchorage Alaska.

Vexar

You owned six Saturns? What is wrong with you?

fotomoto

Styling designed with an Etcho-sketch.

TJKR

Or Lego blocks.

Dav8or

No. There has been no styling with anything. This is purely a function of how to hang all the stuff you need to be functional and legal the cheapest and easiest way possible.

antrik

It is carefully designed to give off that impression…

Dav8or

LOL! That’s funny. They really should offer this truck as a kit. Anybody with simple hand tools could build it.

Milfan

Seems B2 is 36″ (3′) longer than B1. Its very close to full size pickup. With its seat folding capability and pass thru, it will be more functional than the current full size pickup which are restricted to either 5 foot cargo bed with 6 passenger seating or 8 foot cargo bed with 3 passenger seating.

Very good design and concept. Its all electric, all wheel drive, all aluminum.
Lets hope they launch by 2020 because this is the only product for that company and not like the established automakers who have 4 dozen models of gas guzzlers to sell.

Andy

You missed the 6 person extended/quad cab with 6’6″ bed. And i’m not sure why the passthrough is really beneficial. Most people just have the tailgate down if you’re carrying a load of ply, it also stops the mess from entering the cab, which is the whole point of a Pickup anyway (6’6″ bed with taligate down is >8′ so no overhang).

The Honda Ridgeline has a similar feature though.

Interesting concept, but it’s not going to give the average full size pickup a run for it’s money.

Pushmi-Pullyu

(6’6″ bed with taligate down is >8′ so no overhang).

Amazingly enough, they do sell lumber and other building materials in lengths greater than 8′. If a pass-through wasn’t useful, then nobody would put them into their vehicles. As a woodworker, I’ve often wanted a pass-through. Sadly, my old compact pickup didn’t have one.

Andy

Very true, I was thinking specifically about the Ply they used as an example.

It’s not a substitute for a proper length bed though. Good for transporting lots of 10-12+ft lengths of 2×4, but not so useful when loading a skidoo or ATV in the bed. :p

Spoonman.

I’m not sold on the “no airbags” bit.

TJKR

As I said, off road going 10 mph, this thing is great. Going 75mph on US Hwy 101… this thing is a coffin on wheels.

Tid

Chevy Colorado ZR2 airbags deploying off-road, owners say
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/chevy-colorado-zr2-off-road-airbags/

Derek

I can’t really wrap my head around on how you can create some super rugged work truck, but will cost around 80 grand. Those 2 things don’t mesh. Sure you don’t even get bluetooth or air bags, but hey, you can hose down the interior…Woohoo, I need to do that all the time. :/

Pushmi-Pullyu

Obviously you are not in the target market. Admittedly it’s a niche market, not a mainstream one.

TJKR

The market is for multi-millionaire land owners who own lots of rugged land that like to drive around their land for the sole purpose of gloating.

https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/robert-bollinger-discusses-all-electric-b1-2772771/

Kosh

For that “Soviet-era” design aesthetic itch…..

Dav8or

You’re not being fair to the Soviets. They at least tried to style their vehicles.

Pushmi-Pullyu

In about the same way they “styled” soviet-made clothing for working-class women.

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Pushmi-Pullyu

No, more like WW II military jeep aesthetic… or utter lack of aesthetic. Definitely a case of form following function (FFF), and blatantly so. I do personally find a certain appeal to utilitarian FFF designs, but the lack of any padded dash or other safety cushioning inside the cabin, and the lack of air bags, would be a deal-breaker for me, even if I could afford such a (rather obviously) high-priced vehicle.

Bunny

Makes me think of early range Range Rovers when I see these things, it’s like the pickup Range Rover never built, but would still be a blast driving off road.

I personally have no use for it but it just looks like fun!

esto perpetua

Interesting design, except not enough straight lines though… Lol

Pushmi-Pullyu

Go Bolinger!

Yeah, okay, so at present the B2 is just a render. But then, it hasn’t been that long ago that the B1 was only that.

I think we should cut Bolinger some slack here. Starting a new EV making company is very hard. Let us please remember that Tesla was founded in 2003, and didn’t produce a car until 2008… and even then, they didn’t build the body themselves.

Good luck to Bolinger; I hope they succeed! The EV market is not a zero sum game, and won’t be for at least a few more years. There is currently plenty of room in the world for more than just one successful new EV maker.

Bunny

We need the Bollingers and the Rivians, everybody carve out their niches. You don’t have to be huge to be successful.

Saw recently Thor using their battery tech with somebody making forklifts
We could use good lithium battery forklifts and quit doing the fuel cell ones.

arne-nl

I often read the argument that we will always ‘need’ ICE cars in certain niches, with sort-of the implied conclusion that EV’s in general will fail. Good that some companies are trying to prove these people wrong.

Andy

Range is usually the biggest issue in those niches, and this is not going to solve that.

This isn’t a unique vehicle either, for example BHP have been testing EV pickups in their mines already this year: http://www.mining.com/bhp-adds-electric-vehicles-light-truck-fleet/

And there are already plenty of EV dump trucks around.

But agreed that companies pushing the boundaries is a good thing.

wavelet

The most significant question about Bollinger is whether they can find sufficient investment to go into series production.
It’s not easy — VIA failed at this, despite having the backing of GM for service, and a big name like Bob Lutz ot help with fundraising. Workhorse has the same problem (they lost money on every vehicle they sold to the test fleets like UPS, which probably isn’t sustainable beoynd another year or so). As does Rivian.