BMW Discusses Range Of Future Electric Vehicles: Over 400 Miles

OCT 20 2018 BY VANJA KLJAIC 61

BMW aims to deliver a range to rival the likes of Tesla’s Model S

For BMW, the path to electrification has been slow. Even though the company stunned the world with its high-performance i8 and the city slick i3 models, both were just test beds for the Bavarian carmaker. Currently, there’s around 300,000 BMW i3s and i8s running on the roads today. A substantial number, but when compared to the overall output of the carmaker throughout a single year, rather small.

However, BMW aims to make that number a lot bigger. One of the biggest steps to producing more plug-in hybrid and fully electric vehicles in the future is the BMW CLAR architecture. The CLAR platform is a modular architecture designed to underpin everything in their range from the 3 Series up to the 7 Series. Furthermore, CLAR is designed in order to accommodate petrol, diesel, plug-in hybrid and pure-electric powertrains. And in the next few years, the Bavarian carmaker aims to release several fully electric vehicles, set to be built on the same CLAR architecture, as confirmed by the BMW CEO and boss Harald Kruger.

“We have already over 300,000 electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids on the road and more are on the way. In 2019 we’ll launch the MINI Electric. In 2020 the BMW iX3 will come. Then in 2021 we will launch the BMW iNEXT and the i4, so by that year we will have five core electric vehicles on the ground. This underlines our strong commitment to future mobility.”

However, for BMW’s success in the EV field, the utmost key area will be the range. The first model that will build upon the battery tech developed for the i3 and i8 and which will be used in full effect finally, will be the i4. For BMW, it is mandatory that the i4 delivers a range similar to the rivals like the Tesla Model S – up to 375 miles (600 kilometers) – in order to be competitive. Furthermore, BMW aims that the iNEXT – when revealed in full production guise – delivers a range even better than that. This was revealed by BMW’s head of the BMW  i division, Robert Irlinger.

“We asked the customers; it seems to be that the starting point for i3 in the early days was okay. But it seems that now, 300km (186 miles) is the minimum that you can offer to have an accepted range for customers. Then there’s competition – Tesla, Audi and Mercedes are doing 400km (250 miles) in WLTP. So it seems to be again beyond 300km – up to 600km (375 miles) or 700km (435 miles). But if you look at the numbers we’ve already spoken about, the iX3 will be beyond 400km and the i4 will be around 600km. The iNEXT will be on top of that, as well.”

For what may be the first time in the last 50 years, BMW is entering a race as an underdog. How well are they going to be able to translate the design cues, driving feeling and overall performance nature of their cars, combine it with the current range requirements from their potential customer base, paired with the timely release of their EV models, is going to underline the future for one of the world’s most prominent carmakers.

Source: AutoExpress

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61 Comments on "BMW Discusses Range Of Future Electric Vehicles: Over 400 Miles"

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William

BMW,
….Bringing More Wishes!

noleaf4me

Good target…..the Germans seem to have many targets — few products….

Chris S

Name just one OEM who has 10 different models on the market.

Mint

This article is about 400 miles of electric range.

All but one of these 10 models you speak of have less than 20 miles of electric range.

noleaf4me’s comment is well justified.

jelloslug

If you combine the electric range of all ten of those models, you still don’t have one Model S 100D.

yo

And yet still they have managed to sell 26,000 more plugins than the Americans through the first half of the year…
And if you remove Tesla well the US is a laughingstock of EVs…
Germany 158,680
US 132,666 (well I guess that number sums up the US)

https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2018/09/global-sales-by-oem.html?m=0

Scott G

and you remove Tesla why.

yo

For an apples to apples comparison…
Legacy auto vs Legacy auto…

John-EU

Even the German ministers in Berlin are complaining about the ‘fake’ BMW plug-in hybrids as they drive about 1 mile clean and then suck-up gas like never before!

Keijo

You should try one, you would be driving a car for the first time… 🙂

John-EU

I did: they are like sewing machines without character.

Bill Howland

It will be nice if they really do it. Then other German companies that are kicking and screaming that 31 km is the best they can do will have to offer a serious competitor.

Prsnep

If you’re going to mention the 31 miles and not the “PHEV” part, you’re being disingenuous.

Bill Howland

People here don’t have to be told absolutely everything they already know. I didn’t mention 31 miles, by the way. As far as being disingenuous, I never consciously do that. Can’t say the same for you man – you usually seem to be ticked off at something and have no sense of humor about things.

John

BMW better have 400+ mile BEV range when they finally release a legit long range one- they rest of the industry is already light years ahead of them.

Prsnep

What exactly is “rest of the industry” that is lightyears ahead?

John

Those who are already rolling out long distance BEV’s and focusing on charging infrastructure.

Andy

There’s a company selling 400 mile BEV’s? Where? I want one as it may finally get from home to the ski hill in winter!

eject

It’s a necessity. If you drive a BMW as you should you will only achieve about a third of the EPA range so a huge battery is a necessity if you want to convince BMW drivers.

Prsnep

Third of the EPA range… So EPA is wrong by a factor of 3? How did you come to this position?

eject

The EPA number just reflects driving that is done close to the test conditions. You use easily 3x as much energy if you properly drive the car.

Sammy

If BMW drivers can get 1/3rd of the EPA range then around where I live, the Audi ones would be lucky to get 15% on a good day. Many of those Audi drivers used to drive Beemers.
/s

Gabriel

Given my experience on my Volt were I drive electric as much as possible but end up often falling to the gas engine from time to time in situations where the last thing I would want is to be out of charge, I would NEVER own an electric car that has less than 200 miles range period. 300 miles is more realistic and 400 miles is comfortable. I had some personal issues recently that required me to drive beyond my typical commute distance without notice and I can not imagine the outcome if I had been left without my car.

Counterpoint

For me, the minimum acceptable range for an electric car is 250 miles after 5-10% battery degradation, which works out to 280 miles new. An EV that has that kind of range and I can get used for $15,000 or less will be very appealing for me, but so far it hasn’t been made yet.

William

Your future “very appealing” “acceptable range” $15k used EV, that falls into the category of a typical 3yr./36k mi. Lease return, is still probably a vehicle that has yet to be built (YTBB).

Preowned dealerships should have some of these YTBB Certified Vehicles in their inventory, possibly before 2025.

Counterpoint

Yeah, I figure they’re not around yet. Hopefully my current car will last until 2025 or whenever that becomes a reality. In the meantime I’ll enjoy seeing what’s been released.

Andrew

I don’t know why this is voted up and I know US is different from the U.K but after driving 200 miles shouldn’t you stop and take a break. You risk tiredness, DVT and are a danger to other road users, us over 50 and anyone with small kids requires toilet breaks where we learnt our lesson. Isn’t this unsafe and an little mis information from oil companies that we all should do 700 miles in one go? U.K. has lots of rapids now and in a recent emergency to hospital I could of easily charged there if required.
I would never buy petrol or diesel again.

Counterpoint

I agree that requiring a 700 mile range would be over the top, but a 200 mile range can be necessary in certain use cases. As an example, I have needed to drive approximately 75 miles one way on a weekly basis. Round trip is 150 miles, and there are no fast chargers or level 2 chargers at my destination. I’m there for maybe 3 hours and then drive back. So if I bought an EV, it would need to have 150 mile range, right? No, because I also live where it gets very cold in winter, which can reduce range by up to 40%. So in order to make that weekly trip, I would need an EV with 250 mile range or more, even though I’m only driving for an hour and a half at a time.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

Alternatively you need destination charging, or DCFC on the route.

I think that availability of chargers gets mixed up with range requirements.
If there are cheaper long-range electrics, there will be more chargers, which will reduces the need for range. That’s not to say that long range isn’t required, but it would become more about journey time and charger occupancy than the ability to make trips.

Andy

Destination chargers are one solution, but they’re not possible in many locations. Can you plug it into a tree on the side of a mountain (for those of us that hike) for example? DCFC still add a fairly significant amount of time to a journey, unless the 350kWh 800V style chargers become more commonplace.

But I agree with the general gist of the post. Those instances are relatively rare, and not something someone with many EV Focuses or Golfs would have to worry about. On the flip side it is something many owners of EV X5 sized vehicles would probably need to consider.

Andy

200 miles is a little over 2 hours of straight line driving in several parts of the US. Doing 80 (the legal limit on those roads) would already reduce those 200 miles by a fair chunk. Doing it in winter (at -20) would reduce the range by third. Tow a trailer/caravan and that 200 miles becomes 80… The 200 miles of “best case” range reduces significantly in anything but ideal weather, 60mph speeds.

The distances covered also make a difference. You may well stop after two hours, but it could well be a layby in the middle of nowhere, where you stop for 5 minutes before heading off for another 100-200 miles.

Driving in many parts of North America is very different to driving in Europe. Doing a 4 hour drive in southern England is knackering, doing a four hour drive in rural Canada/Midwest USA doesn’t affect you nearly as much. (From a Brit living in Canada).

rey

This article states there are 300,000 i3s & i8 , last year BMW announced they produced thev 100000th i3 cumulatively , so thats the total since start of production,and the i8 is a very limited production car. I think the Author needs to make a correction and say BMW produced 300,000 ELECTRIFIED CARS as hybrids would be ‘Electrified’ but not a BEV. please correct me if I’M wrong.

Prsnep

BMW has sold 300k plug-in cars so far. They sold 100k last year.

Vexar

The article needs to be adjusted, a lot of us saw the same thing. Globally, the Tesla Model S outnumbers the BMW i3 but not the various BMW hybrids. This kind of weasel-wording going on suggests they want to create 400-mile rang (WLTP) hybrids. Weren’t they just whining about how hard it is to make a BEV? Maybe that was Mercedes-Benz. 400 mile EPA range sure is hard. What car other than the Tesla Roadster 2020 is claiming that? Other than maybe a bus and the Tesla Semi, I don’t think anything on the road can get that far on a charge going posted speeds.

antrik

400 miles WLTP isn’t really hard. AFAIK Tesla has no WLTP figures yet: but the existing P100D likely won’t be very far from that level. Once they adapt the more efficient drive unit and/or the new cell format they already use in the Model 3, the Model S can surely easily go way past 400 miles WLTP. IIRC both Lucid and Faraday Future claim ranges close to 400 miles EPA for their upcoming vehicles, i.e. easily beyond 400 miles WLTP also; and Fisker claims even more than that. Rivian mentioned 450 miles EPA I believe?

It’s not hard to do with today’s technology. What is hard, is explaining to investors that a company that has been making cars for a century or so, suddenly needs new investments in the tens of billions just to stay relevant, while a significant chunk of their past investments will have to be written off…

AP

More vaporev’s bs from the Germans. Shut up until you really make them.

Nokuka

BMW has been making EVs for years. They have not cancelled any of their announced cars yet.
what about the Roadster, Y, Semi and compact car? Have been announced way ahead of release too.

jelloslug

BMW is still a decade behind Tesla with no indication of catching up anytime soon.

Mir

You just don’t know that. Take a step back and chalk the article under good news 🙂

antrik

The hypothetical Tesla compact car hasn’t exactly been announced yet — Elon was just vaguely musing about the possibilities…

Be that as it may, I totally agree that there is nothing wrong with talking about future plans, as long as they are serious about them. It helps advancing the public perception that EVs are not only feasible but in fact inevitable, and that the transition will happen sooner than most people think.

Bill Howland

Hehe ‘More Vaporev’s’, hehe – looks like VW has poisoned the water for all their brethren…

BMW just needs to get their reliability up. They certainly have enough happiness for them in the MSRP.

Pluto

I’m still waiting for a 200+ mile EV from BMW…

DS

So that all but confirms the Mini EV will have broadly similar range to the i3. After years of waiting. Not good enough.

John-EU

Kinda difficult putting a big battery in a MINI. Which is fine for city driving, but that’s it then.

Vastman

Fact! Climate change is ramping fast and dirty cats need to go away ASAP… Wish everyone would be more serious about this… Tesla is the ONLY one so far. ICE needs to be banned, but won’t be till more companies get on board. Sick of bullshit concept cars…

These small minded companies are playing with genocide. No excuse. They are pathetic.

Sharpe

Instead of discussing another bright future BMW should produce EV with 200+ miles range now.

Prsnep

People seem to forget that cars aren’t produced overnight. They’ve been working on a car they intend to release in 2020 for over 2 years already.

viriato

People focused on range, but lot of batteries in the cars make them expensive ant they have a weight to transport that reduce de efficiency. I think it’s important too, improve the charging speeds and increase the number of fast superchargers. A car with 300 miles but capable to charge at 80% in 5 minutes, is a better option than a car with 400 miles but with slower charging speed.

Scott G

Except for the 5 min ask, your talking about Tesla.

Tech01x

Well, the batteries we can actually build don’t work that way. At least not yet, and probably not for a long time. One of the best ways to increase charge speed is to increase the battery size. It also reduces the cycle duty which allows the pack to last a lot longer.

Porsche is looking to deliver the closest which high speed charging. The cell degradation will be interesting to watch.

viriato

Yes, we must wait for next technology, maybe solid state batteries will improve a lot the charging times. The question is what time will pass until they will be available at affordable prices.

antrik

It’s not either range or charging time — it’s all about finding the right balance between them. A battery than can charge in 25 minutes for 240 miles of range is surely preferable in most situations over one that can charge for 320 miles in 50 minutes… But how about one that can charge in 12 minutes for 160 miles of range (while being more expensive)? I believe that’s actually doable today with LTO cells — but I’m not sure many people would really consider it a superior option…

ga2500ev

It doesn’t need to be 5 minutes. However, being a cheaper option makes it a more efficient choice.

ga2500ev

Bill ward

Yak, yak, yak from the Germans but not much product.

jelloslug

Another “just around the corner” pep talk.

Prsnep

The cars that’ll have that kind of range will be released in 2020 and 2021 I believe. That isn’t “just around the corner”. If you’re in the market for a car now, you’re not going to wait till 2021 for a longer range one.

Ron

Think of a BMW ad run in California to finally make the claim of an EV driving from LA to SFO on a *single* charge. That would shake-up the EV pecking order.

AP

If it happened, it would be another “concept” car designed to get people’s attention and encouraging them to wait until 20….. “We’ll build them any minute now, you hear?”

Fungus

Soo…. 2021 is it? The year BMW will deliver a decent sized electric car?

Because increasing range on electric cars isnt actually news anymore. Nisan Leaf started with 20kwh, then 30, 40, and now 60kwh is just around the corner.

Sorry, but im just getting tired of articles about stuff coming from Germany in the next few to five years..

Alex

They’ll for bankrupt!
Unless they hire someone from InsideEvs to show them how it’s done.
🙂

Re-Volted

Hopeful but I don’t know. Such a big jump in range for a car not solely electric, and current models not even close. Show me.