BMW, Volkswagen, ChargePoint Team Up For CCS Fast Charger Rollout In U.S. – CHAdeMO Gets Boost Too

JAN 22 2015 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 52

Infographic On CCS Deployment

Infographic On CCS Deployment

Finally, there’s some significant movement on the CCS charging front in the U.S.

BMW, Volkswagen and ChargePoint have united to bring to us the largest U.S. CCS commitment to date.

Unfortunately (and as usual), the deployment will focus mainly on two coasts (West Coast, mainly California & East Coast, mostly Northeast U.S.), thus leaving the rest of the U.S. CCS-less.

Volkswagen e-Golf & BMW i3 At CCS Charger

Volkswagen e-Golf & BMW i3 At CCS Charger

Highlights from the CCS deployment include:

  • Goal of 100 DC CCS fast chargers installed along heavily trafficked areas on both coasts (no timeframe on when that goal is expected to be achieved)
  • DC CCS fast chargers will be supported by on-site Level 2 chargers
  • Chargers will be accessible via a ChargePoint or ChargeNow card
  • Plans call for additional DC fast chargers to “increase access to fast charging across the country,” though again there’s no timeframe or specific details
  • DC CCS chargers will be along Interstate 95 (East Coast) from Boston to D.C. and on West Coast connecting Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego
  • CCS chargers are to be spaced a maximum of 50 miles apart in the locations listed above
  • Each fast charging site will have up to 2 50 kW DC fast chargers (or up to 2 of BMW’s low-cost 24 kW DC chargers)
  • CHAdeMO will be incorporated into many of the sites with 50 kW chargers
ChargePoint CCS Fast Charger

ChargePoint CCS Fast Charger

e-Golf & i3 At CCS Fast Charger

e-Golf & i3 At CCS Fast Charger

BMW i3 & VW e-Golf

BMW i3 & VW e-Golf

And the full press release (in PDF to JPEG form):

Press Release Page 1

Press Release Page 1

Press Release Page 2

Press Release Page 2

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Press Release Page 3

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52 Comments on "BMW, Volkswagen, ChargePoint Team Up For CCS Fast Charger Rollout In U.S. – CHAdeMO Gets Boost Too"

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JakeY

Finally they are getting started on the SF to LA corridor. Been waiting for this for a long while.

Talk about a Press Release FULL OF MISINFORMATION!

For BMW and VW to show they are building corridors, they place Washington DC in Mami, Boston in Maine,
San Francisco in Northern California, and Portland in Seattle.

“Many EVs can charge to 80% in 20 minutes”
… is like stating many EVs can drive 120 MPH.
80% in 20 minutes little to explain typical use case and expected experience. Since charging speed is dependent on charger and battery capacity, we’ll start seeing more earningful metrics like average kWh/h for a charge session, or the MPH charging speed indicating average miles of charge added per hour.

The average US driver distance is not 29 miles per day … it varies by age. Those under 25 and over 55 years old averaging ~30-35 miles per day (~12,000 miles per year ) and those between 25-55 years traveling up to 50 miles per day (15,000 per year).

Hopefully OEMs can provide more professional and mature marketing messages, and less buzz using misleading infographics.

HVACman

Finally, the huge public L2/FCDC desert on I-5 between Ashland OR and Sacramento CA will get some public chargers and all of those CA EV owners can get over the Siskiyou mountains and Californicate Oregon.

Scramjett

I’m skeptical. They didn’t mention Sacramento so it could very well be 101 which would connect Portland, SF, LA and SD, but bypass Sacramento completely.

Jeff Songster

Sacramento already has a few in or near it. SMUD, City Hall Benicia… are 2 that come to mind… I’m sure there are a few more CCS Combos that I am unaware of… I am a LEAF driver and therefore a CHAdeMO partisan. Plenty of those around Sacto… not enough 50 miles north or south or east… but west is covered a little.

Great news!

Scramjett

DC CCS chargers will be…on (the) West Coast connecting Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego

So, I don’t see Sacramento mentioned here. Does that mean the CCS fast chargers will ONLY be on Hwy 101? You’d think it’d be I5, 99, and I80 since those are the most heavily used routes connecting those cities.

Kosh

There are quite a few of us along 101 here. 😉 And it’s 2 hours to I-5, so doesn’t make sense to go over there, in 3 I can be in SF or LA. So yes, we need them along 101.

The one time I did try to take i-5 (thought it would be faster) I ended up in a traffic jam so massive I ended up taking a mountain road back over to 101.

Robert

What about the rest of the country? I guess the rest of us should go **** ourselves.

Ocean Railroader

It kind of irritates me too in that the bulk of the DC fast chargers built by these major car corporations keep getting dumped into these very tiny areas that are less then a hundred miles across. While most of the interurban regions between the cities get nothing. I’m also getting tried of LA and San Fransisco getting every single new charge charger from the car companies while companies like EVgo are already building up a huge system of DC chargers already there too.

Jeff Songster

If the rest of the country votes to follow the California emissions standards… the car companies will oblige it seems.

Stimpacker

Why is this great news?

Up to 2 stations per site. Up to 50kW. The 24kW stations are a joke. Good for in-town use to top up but definitely not for long distance travel.

What about ChargePoint itself? If the rates are like eVgo, then it’s basically about $10 and 30mins to get up to 60 miles of range. That’s way worse than driving a gas car.

I’ll say it’s a step in the right direction, nothing more. Sorry.

TomArt

Agreed…compared to Tesla Motors, it’s a day late and a dollar short, as the old cliche goes.

Ocean Railroader

Tesla is the most aggressive company I have seen in terms of opening up new Superchargers in that Tesla is opening up two or three times the chargers then these two standards put together.

Also Tesla is kind of like the standard gauge of fast charging. The reason is that I can use a Tesla super charger in China and then drive to Europe and still be able to use the DC fast chargers there too.

Nope.

Lad

So far there is no de facto standard Fast Charge plug configuration; There appear to be three different Fast Charge Plugs so far; CHAdeMo, CCS and Tesla.

Not a big deal you say; well, yes it is… if you intend to use fast charging for a long distance drive in a future where EVs rule the roads. These are large cable plugs and you may very well need two additional huge carry-along, adapters to use fast chargers not built to work with your particular car. Or, the charger provider may have to supply three different cables to fit all makes of cars. All this translates to additional cost, inconvenience and even a electrocution risk in the future. We need a standard plug…I vote for Tesla.

Mike I

If they install dual standard 50kW units between cities where there is not already coverage, I would be happy to pay the equivalent of $0.20/mile. I currently do 100% of my charging at home, so if this enables a trip that I could not otherwise take in my EV, I would be happy to pay. However, if the one and only charger that can get me to my destination in a reasonable amount of time is broken, I’m going to be pissed.

Mike I

By the way, my $0.20/mile would work with pricing of $2.50/session plus $0.50/kWh. My RAV4 EV with the upcoming CHAdeMO mod could probably swallow 25kWh in just over 30 minutes. If you assume 3 miles/kWh the charges work out perfectly and would give 75 miles in 30 minutes for $15. For reference, $3/gal at 20mpg is $0.15/mile, which is about right for my gas car that takes Premium fuel.

Speculawyer

I agree Mike. 90+% of the time, I’ll charge up at home for very very cheap. When doing a long distance drive, I wouldn’t mind paying a relatively high price for a DC fast-charge. I’m not paying for the gasoline as much as I am paying for the convenience of accessing the fast-charger.

Eventually, prices will probably come down when there are a lot of chargers & drivers. But I don’t mind paying a premium to get the chargers out in the field.

Mike

80% gets you 70ish miles with leaf/i3/e-golf so that every journey is a cycle of 1 hour drive and a 20-30 minute charge.
Problem with a 24k charger is a bigger battery just means 80% in about an hour netting you a cycle of 2hour drive 1hour charge.
Still, its better than the yawn-fest of pretending that L2 is a viable road trip strategy.

Stimpacker

Err not so much.

If you need to use a L3 charger, then you’re going long distance typically. That means freeway travel.

On a Leaf, that 80% nets you 70 miles tops. 60 miles really if you charge to 80%, then drive again and start looking for a charger when you get down to 10% (low batt warning).

Please don’t creep on the freeway. It’s annoying to other drivers, not to mention the danger that poses. Oh sure, I’ve heard plenty of drivers say they do it all the time and they’re safe. OK….

mr. M

Can someone explain to me the US L2 charger?

In europe L2 is 22 kW normally, but up to 44kW. So i don’t see why the cheap 24kW BMW-charger is Mord suitable than L2…

mr. M

Can someone explain to me the US L2 charger?

In europe L2 is 22 kW normally, but up to 44kW. So i don’t see why the cheap 24kW BMW-charger is More suitable than L2…

mustang_sallad

Too bad they aren’t reaching up to Seattle! Seems like a small effort to connect to another huge EV market.

Tom Moloughney

This is the first phase. I’m sure that will happen. It’s a big country, this is only the first step. I would also expect the East coast highway to eventually extend all the way to Florida as well as further up the Northeast coast.

Yes, have to start somewhere. I wonder how long it took to build a nationwide gasoline station network?

(I still wish they had faster charging rates, 100kW min)

pjwood1

And, for this, VW/BMW get the new Green Checker.

Love the 50KW idea, and think these will make “out of state” travel happen.

Since even 100KW can have you looking for things to do, I hope they consider locations carefully.

realdb2

I think overall this is a positive move. I see this as a way to extend the range of current electric vehicles for the occasional out of town trip.

Yes it is more expensive than using an ICE car over these distances but my guess is if you’re traveling >100 miles every day you probably don’t own an electric car (Tesla being the exception).

Brian F

So you drive 1 hour on the highway (60 miles) and wait 20 min to charge to 80%. Then repeat again and again. This will be a long trip. I drove at 80 mph from Boston to Washington with only two 45 min stops in my 265 mile range Tesla.

I would rather rent a ICE for the trip if I had an I3 or e-golf. Which I like very much as a daily driver around town.

TomArt

Except for those who enjoy the EV aspect of the trip (like that Leaf-based article posted here about that family that went all sorts of places that a Leaf “shouldn’t”), then I agree. If you’re going to take a road trip, it won’t be in a 24kWh car.

Jeff Songster

I agree that it will still be impractical for now with the small battery EVs. But places like Bakersfield to LA and back might be better. Many of us enjoy taking the backroads sometimes too which helps greatly at times to flatten hills by taking the slightly longer, slower route around them.

I find that in my LEAF one to two QC stops is not bad 3 would start to seem very silly. I bring my game machines (smartphone, ebook, or Nintendo DS) in the car for the breaks.

But for the various cities between the big metros this could be a very wise move to open new markets for these cars.

Jeff Songster

This is awesome news for those of us on the coasts.

I have been one of the disbelievers in the CCS Combo fast chargers. Mostly because it unnecessarily complicates charging… had these manufacturers simply gotten behind CHAdeMO we could have been that much further along by now on these corridors.

This is very welcome news. Now comes the chicken egg part… how soon will they actually be installed and will the dealers on the coasts only order cars with fast chargers to help the adoption along.

Good Luck to ChargePoint and may the permitting process be quick and merciful!

More fast chargers make small batteried BEVs very practical for most folks.

Ocean Railroader

I think up till now Charge Point has not really built any new DC fast chargers. Most of the DC fast chargers Charge Point were around a hundred or so that had been built several years ago. This in a way is like charge point getting a fresh batch of DC fast chargers for their system.

Scott Franco

So its clear, CCS and car makers like GM and
VW are choosing to handycap their cars vs. Tesla and apparently hoping nobody will notice.

It DOES make a difference. A 100KW or better charger like Tesla is much farther along as a practical long distance solution than a 50KW charger. We have 50KW now. Doubling the range on a 75 mile car like the leaf simply means waiting for 1 hour to charge to %80 instead of 30 minutes, and the net travel practicality improvement is little.

For more on that see my earlier article on “range of next gen cars”.

Really we should be moving on to 200KW chargers now, not 50KW.

That’s what I was thinking. With a possible plethora of 200mile BEVs on the horizon, why even bother with 50kW chargers. At least start at 100kW. Maybe these are easy to upgrade???

TomArt

Yep – the only hope I see is whether these stations can be upgraded without substantial cost…which doesn’t seem likely…the current and voltage demands for 100kW+ charging are significantly harder on the cables and inverter electronics than 50kW and lower.

David Murray

Hmmrph. Well, living in Texas I guess if I decide to buy an i3, I’d definitely better plan on getting the Rex version as I doubt I’ll see any CCS chargers around here for a while.

Brian

Man, I know people on the east coast are all migrating to Florida, but really? The entire city of DC has moved to Miami?

This graphic looks great until you reassess where the noted cities actually are.

But still, more infrastructure is a good thing for all EVs.

Brian F

Ha your right! Didn’t see that the first time.

Marshal G

Is it just me or does this sound like they are trying to connect the CARB ZEV states?

You are very wise, Grasshopper. Washington is NOT a CARB-ZEV state… yet. So, they won’t promote EV’s there, since they MUST sell them in all the CARB-ZEV states starting in model year 2018.

The only other option is to sell hydrogen cars, like Toyota, as hydrogen is exempt from sales outside of California.

With this move my GM (with a 200 mile car coming), and now BMW and VW, it’s pretty clear that they won’t be going to hydrogen.

CARB-ZEV – California’s ZEV program has now been adopted by the states of Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont. These states, known as the “Section 177 states,” have chosen to adopt California’s air quality standards in lieu of federal requirements as authorized under Section 177 of the federal Clean Air Act. Additionally, California’s GHG standards are now federal law. Maine, New Jersey and Washington DC are participating with ZEV initiatives, but are not signatory CARB-ZEV states.

Ocean Railroader

This is big news and it’s good in most ways that I look at it even if California gets most of the DC Fast Chargers.

The biggest questions I have about this is how many of these new DC fast chargers will be duel standard in that if they could put two or three of these new duel standard chargers in Aberdeen Maryland it would close a major DC Fast charger gap on the East coast. There is also a EV nowhere land in central New Jersey that could use two or three of these new muti standard DC fast chargers.

Now the only thing now is if someone had a charger adapter that could change CSS over to Chamo or Chamo over to CSS?

I anxiously await the chance to drive my CHAdeMO equipped Toyota Rav4 EV from Mexico to Canada, with only CHAdeMO.

The day is coming soon. Of course, I was able to do Oregon and Washington state in June 2012…

Ocean Railroader

Do you think it would be possible to add a CSS charger to your EV that could be a extra charge port like the Chamo charge port?

I’m asking in that I remember hearing that the Toyota EV never had a quick charging port on it.

John

Good news, but I’d love to hear which chargers will have CHAdeMO (wish Nissan had taken this kind of approach with their fast charger rollout). We live in central California and currently lease an EV. This network could be a deciding factor in what car we choose when our lease ends next year. I’d love to buy an EV for inter-city travel if the infrastructure is there.

Tom Moloughney

All of the locations directly on the main corridor route (every 50 miles) will have dual head CCS & CHAdeMO units.

John

Thanks. That is good news for us and our Leaf. I read that on your blog after I posted the above comment. Of course, as with real estate, location will be everything for these chargers. If they’re going to do the I5 corridor near where I live, great possible locations include Castaic, Frazier Park, the Tejon Outlets, Buttonwillow, and Kettleman City. The Grapevine (4,000 foot pass) is a real challenge.

Jeff Songster

Remind me again why there is a grapevine and not a giant tunnel or 2… how about we use some high speed rail money and some highway money and fix that for both modes… sheesh imagine the big rig fuel savings… let alone getting your small battery EV through it rather than over.

John

Probably because of a) cost and b) earthquakes. Also, big public works projects are difficult to push through and the politics sometime become enough to jam things up pretty thoroughly (witness the controversy and delays over high speed rail).

Andrew

Someone finally figured out that inter-city is where DCFCs belong! They’re so rarely worth their price within congested urban areas.

I’m so excited to drive from LA to SF in my EV!

50kW is too slow for long-distance travel. Its good for city hopping, but once you want to travel beyond 200 miles or so, the recharge times become unbearable.

90kW is the minimum. 125kW is better.

Jeff Songster

The cool place to get a bunch for touring would be coastal hwy 1. Currently you can’t quick charge in Santa Cruz. For slower small battery EVs cruising slowly at under 45 mph would extend the range… and stopping along the coast is usually a very pleasant place to hang out. Plenty of fresh air and places to eat and visit.