August 2017 Plug-In Electric Vehicle Sales Report Card

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September's Results Won't Surpass The All-Time Best Set In August - But Still Very Strong

The trend of “higher highs” for plug-in sales in the US continued in August

Thanks to a record setting August for plug-in sales, the US finds itself just a month away from marking a full two years worth* of monthly year-over-year gains.

August was again led by the three offerings one might have expected heading into the month: the Chevrolet Bolt EV, Tesla Model S and Toyota Prius Prime.  GM and Tesla also offered bonus assistance from the Chevrolet Volt and Model X.

The Chevrolet Bolt EV started national deliveries in August (although it still didn’t quite make it to every state as best we can tell…maybe next month)

For the month, an estimated 16,623 plug-ins were delivered, up 14% from a year ago when just over 14,500 were sold.

Previously for July, there was an estimated 15,620 sales in the US (full details here), also good for almost a 20% gain.

With August’s expected total added into the year, 120,500 plug-in electric vehicles have been sold so far in 2017, which is up 31% from 2016, when ~92,211 were delivered.

Moving forward, the US sales list is expect to see a new dominant player at the top in the near future (~October) – the Tesla Model 3.

For September, Tesla has estimated it will produce more than 1,500 Model 3s, but we should note that these will still be “internal” sales to employees and insiders, and that “produced” is far from “delivered”. However, we do expect a decent tally in September, and then taking off from there as true retail deliveries to the public get underway in October – with production said to hit ~20,000 in December.

The new 2018 Nissan LEAF will also be added some sales by the end of the year (December), while we’d also like to welcome the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid back from the dead recall hiatus this month.

Questions for August (with answers in brackets as they come in):

  • The Chevy Volt hand Tesla Model S have been having a back-and-forth battle for best selling plug-in this year.  After coming up just short in July, can the Volt take back the title in August? (Nope, the Volt has seemingly found itself in am internal battle with the Bolt EV for Chevy customers)
  • Will this be the month that the Toyota Prius Prime shakes its inventory woes in the US and shows the doubters it can be the top dog for 2017?  (Sales gained, and inventory rose at month’s end, but we have yet to see the follow-through required to be America’s best selling plug-in…maybe next month)
  • The next generation Nissan LEAF will debut at a special event in Tokyo (September 6th locally/5th to the rest of the world, US debuts  on the 6th), but can the ‘old & busted’ inexplicably crack the 4 digit level for the 7th month in a row in August?   (You betcha!)
  • Will the new 2017 MY smart ED arrive in August, and how will sales be in the future with 2/3rds less of a dealership footprint in the US? (It did, and as that remaining 1/3 sold ~90% of smart EV sales in the past, we expect minimal fallout from dealers ending sales due to the lack of petrol 2017s)
  • In the continuing battle of “new 2018 offerings that aren’t stocked so well”, who will manage to sell more – the Hyundai Ioniq Electric, Cadillac CT6 Plug-In Hybrid, Honda Clarity Electric or the new Mini Countryman Plug-In?  (The Mini going away for the second time with 86 sales)

Also of interest:  The fuel cell Toyota Mirai sold 70 copies, bring the YTD total to 860 deliveries vs 641 a year ago, while 56 copies of the  Honda Clarity was sold.

Last update: Tuesday, September 5th, 2017 – 12:03 PM

*On year of monthly sales improvements: We know someone is going to look at the chart and say, “hey, only ~11,467 sales were made in May of 2016, when 11,540 were logged in 2015!  What gives InsideEVs?”  What gives is – through an odd scheduling quirk, only 24 selling days were reported in May 2016 (versus 26 in 2015)

Below Chart: A individual run-down of each vehicle’s monthly result and some analysis behind the numbers.  (Previous year’s monthly results can be found on our fixed Scorecard page here)

2017 Monthly Sales Chart For The Major Plug-In Automakers – *Estimated Tesla Sales Numbers – Reconciled on Quarterly Totals, ** FCA/Hyundai-Kia Do Not Report Sales Directly, Estimate Based on State/Rebate Data (Thanks to HybridCars for assist on Kia data)

Individual Plug-In Model Sales Recap For Major Models:

(limited to vehicles with ~500 sales/or potential for 500 sales in a given month)

Nest Generation, 2016 Chevrolet Volt

Next Generation, 2017 Chevrolet Volt

Chevrolet Volt:  

When the Chevrolet Bolt EV first arrived on the scene, many wondered if its electrified cousin, the original GM plug-in Chevy Volt would be affected adversely.

The early returns were in the negative, as the Volt continued to sell decently enough, perhaps the two would augment each other.

However, as the Summer as arrived, and the Bolt inventory deepened and stretched out over the country, it appears that assumption may have been incorrect.

For the third consecutive month, Volt year-over-year sales have fallen, as 1,445 cars were sold in August, off  30% from the 2,081 sold a year ago.

Which trend will ultimately prove correct?  Only time will tell.

Thankfully, the inventory situation seems to have moderated, and thanks to the Summer shutdown of the Volt’s production facility in Michigan, a more manageable ~4,800 units are now in stock (down from a peak over 6,000).  But with that said, the number has been rising steadily over the month, as new 2018 have begun arriving on dealer lots.

The 2018 MY Volt is mostly unchanged from the 2017 edition (details).

 

 

Chevrolet Bolt EV - looking to make its mark in 2017

Chevrolet Bolt EV – looking to make its mark in 2017

Chevrolet Bolt EV:   

The Chevrolet Bolt EV was finally available nationwide in August (well, technically anyway – many states still have little-to-no inventory).

And after selling 1,971 copies in July, the all-electric Chevy set the bar even higher in August, moving 2,107 copies, only a whisker off the Tesla Model S for the sales lead during the month.

Also to note, the 238 mile EV has seen increasing sales month-over-month for the past 6 months.

Thanks to stronger sales, and an extended shutdown this Summer of the Bolt EV’s production facility in Orion, Michigan (mostly due to plummeting Sonic sales), inventory of the Bolt has leveled off at around 5,000 units, a more manageable number for GM.

With the national inventory filling in more over the next few months, we expect to ultimately see the Bolt EV hit the ~3,000 level before the year’s end.

 

 

 

Nissan LEAF

Nissan LEAF:   

News flash: The Nissan LEAF is old.  There is no EV on sale in the US today as old as the LEAF.

In August, the LEAF turns 81…as in 81 months old, and despite that it continues to sell in respectable numbers – albeit with some heft discounts put on the hood (sometimes up to $10,000 off).

For August , Nissan LEAF sales actually improved … for the 8th consecutive month (a full 2017 sweep so far)!  A total of 1,154 copies were moved, up 8% from a year ago.

Yet, in just a few days , the 2nd generation LEAF will finally be revealed in full at a special event in Tokyo on September 5th (whcxh is the 6th locally in Japan)!

As for the 2017 MY LEAF, that rolls on…and on…and on – but the ‘herd’ is now thinning.  Nissan had about 2,000 in stock heading into August and they exit the month with just under 1,300, which in our opinion is just about “right-sized”, as the company moves to an orderly wind-down of the grandfather of the modern day all-electric vehicle.

For the year (through August), 9,685 LEAFs have been sold, a gain of 22% over 2016 when 7,922 were moved over the same time in 2016.

Production of the new LEAF kicks off ~now-ish, with the first copies of the 2018 LEAF reported to arrive in the US regionally in late December (think early 2018 for anywhere not America,).

 

 

 

 

2017 Toyota Prius Prime

2017 Toyota Prius Prime

Toyota Prius Prime:  

After 18 months of waiting for the  first generation Prius plug-in to be replaced, the Toyota Prius Prime (details) arrived on US dealers lots on November 8th, and sales have not disappointed.

After setting a new high of 1,618 sales in March, Prius Prime sales continued to defy the almost non-existent inventory at the dealership level so far – selling a peak 1,908 in May!

But that ended in June and July as the inventory got insufferably low (well uner 1,000 units on averag) – pulling sales back to 1,645 copies in July.

However, August sales rose to 1,820 as inventories started to climb during August, and ended the month with almost  2,000 in stock – twice the level of any month previously.   Based on deeper inventory, we look for September to show big gains for the Prius Prime.


Yes, the Prius Prime is here, and it might just be your 2017 plug-in sales champion for the US.  The Toyota not only features its own unique look, but 25 miles of all-electric range.

How high could sales go?  It really is hard to say, we speculated before the model’s arrive last year we felt it could touch 4,000 or 5,000 units…and given that estimate was just eclipsed in May (5,369 sales) in the Toyota’s home market in Japan, (and followed by more than 4,000 in Jun)e it seems like a realistic number, now more than ever.

When will enough inventory arrive to fill the demand void?  It’s still hard to say – for sure ~2,000 units is not near enough, but perhaps by year’s end – after the 2018 model year production is well underway in Japan this Fall.

Why the high acceptance?  The plug-in Toyota is priced right – from $27,950, which after the $4,500 federal credit is applied gives the Prime an effective price of $23,450, a price-point that is actually more than $1,000 cheaper than the base hybrid version…which should eventually translate into very strong sales once the EV is well stocked, as the standard version of the car can sell upwards of 10,000 units in a month.

 

 

 

2015 BMW i3

BMW i3

BMW i3:  

The BMW i3 entered the US market with a bang in 2014, but it is too bad that the initial fireworks display of sales back then was the peak – we just didn’t know it at the time.

For 2017, things started rough, with just 182 sales logged in January, and 318 in February.   The tune changed drastically in March (which given the i3’s track record is not all that surprising), with 703 sales made, a 118% gain over March of 201 – but that the lone bright spot. Since then sales have languished in the ~500 range.

For August specifically, sales continued to be depressed, with 504 deliveries during the month – half of the amount moved a year ago (1,013).

For the year, 4,097 i3s have been sold, off 23% from last year when 5,377 had been sold through the first 8 months.

Quite frankly, the i3 as it stands today is likely too expensive for plug-in vehicle buyers, so if BMW wants to sell the EV in volumes like it did in the past, it is going to have to sharpen its pencil…and by a lot.

In late August, BMW underlined they still really didn’t understand the issue behind lackluster sales or the i3 itself, byreleasing a new, slightly sportier trim level – the i3s (full details here).  The car gets some new styling details, some wider tires and some extra performance (+10 kW), but what the public really wants is a price cut (the new i3s is ~10% more in most markets), and a longer range option.

For 2016 overall,  BMW sold 7,625 i3s in 2016, compared to 11,024 a year ago – also off 31% from 2015.

 

 

 

 

2014 Tesla Model S

Tesla Model S: Tesla does not give out exact monthly sales (apparently because the public can’t handle the concept of regional allocations and delivery lead times)… so we never know for sure what the monthly numbers total up to until Tesla’s quarterly (or annual) updates add more clarity, but we do our best to keep our finger on the pulse of what is happening.

To come to an estimated monthly, number, we don’t simply take the quarterly estimate given by Tesla and divide it by 3 and hope it all works out…it just doesn’t work like that in the real world.  We simply report from the data we accumulate ourselves, the first hand accounts available from the factory and from the community itself when available – and the number is what it is (see below)

Revisions/disclaimer to accuracy of prior estimates: The 2016 Model S chart has been adjusted (via US Q3 data leaked directly from Tesla) by 469 units in Q3, and 525 units in Q4.  The 2015 chart was adjusted (one time) by 498 units to compensate for confirmed full year numbers. The 2014 sales chart was adjusted (one time – again after the end of the full year of estimates) 611 units to compensate for full year numbers.  While past success is no guarantee of future results, InsideEVs is quite proud of its sales tracking for the Model S over  the years.

That being said, we only estimate this number because Tesla does not, and to not put a number on Model S sales would be to paint an even more inaccurate overall picture of EV sales. Despite our fairly accurate track record, we are not analysts, portfolio managers and we do not own any positions in Tesla the company.


“Hey buddy, you wanna buy an inventory Model S?  Cause I have a deal for you!”

Did you pick up a new Tesla Model S over the last two months in the US?  If you did, you probably picked it out of Tesla’s inventory, as it has been a really long time since we have seen Tesla less focused on delivering US customer orders over a two month period.

With that said, there is a huge pile (technical term) of US customer orders heading into production, or just being completed right now, with those customers having been promised those vehicles for a September delivery.  This is the “classic” last month of the quarter rush for Tesla, but in hyper-drive…or Ludicrous mode if you will.  Something Tesla had done less of the past couple quarters.

What has caused the return to panic delivery mode in the US late in this quarter?  Is it just confidence in production abilities to leave it so late?  A distraction with the ramp on the Model 3?  A component/battery supply issue earlier in the quarter?  Who knows, maybe all of those things.

We noticed that the US custom delivery pace started to quicken in the second half of this month, and stock/inventory sales were again looking strong as Tesla discounted and sold down discontinued trim levels, but the ‘success of the quarter’ will ultimately still be decided in September, in the US.

We estimate that 2,150 Model S sedans were sold during the month.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tesla Model X

Tesla Model X

Tesla Model X: Like the Model S, Tesla does not itself report Model X sales, so we do our best – with all the data at our disposal to estimate monthly results for North America as best we can (For more info on that, check out our disclaimer for the Model S)


Historical accuracy/Sales Update (Oct 11th):

Tesla recently leaked US sales data for Q3 2016 put US deliveries at 5,428 Our own Q3 estimate  was 5,800 for North America, which includes Canada (which ended Q3 with 389 registrations for the quarter), meaning 5,787 were actually sold – and not to brag…but that means we were only off by 13 units in Q3.

Previously in Q2 2016, Tesla reported 4,625 Model X deliveries…our estimated scorecard got within about ~55 units of the actual number (accounting for just a handful of international Model X deliveries). In Q1 we where within ~200 units.


As with the Tesla Model S, we noted very little customer orders for the Model X were actually delivered during August.

What we did see was a fair shake of inventory and demo SUVs finding new homes in the US.

With that said, and again – as with the Model S, Tesla has a long list of anxious customers in the US that have been patiently (kinda) waiting for their Model X.  That US bound production is now well underway, but only time will tell if they can fill all those “September” promises.

For August, we estimate 1,575 Model X utility vehicles were delivered in the US.

 

 

Tesla Model 3

This is the first Tesla Model 3 (#001), naturally it arrived in black – lord of all colors. Want to buy it any other way? $1,000 premium fine for bad taste.

Tesla Model 3:  It has arrived!

Just ~16 months after orders opened, and ~10 years since it was first announced (then known as the “Bluestar”), the first Model 3s were delivered on July 28th, 2017!  One can check out the full delivery ceremony, and all the newly released specs (220-310 miles range, 0-60 mph in 5.1-5.6 seconds) on our full recap here.

As with Model S & X sales, Tesla is not planning to release monthly Model 3 sales in the US at this point time.  Until then we do our best – with all the data at our disposal to estimate monthly results for North America as best we can (For more info on that, check out our disclaimer for the Model S).


Thankfully, in these early days we really don’t any assistance from Tesla, as the complete delivery volume for July took place live at the July 28th delivery event in Fremont, California, as the first 30 cars were delivered to Tesla employees/stakeholders in the US.

Unfortunately, these early Model 3s are a virtual captured fleet as deliveries are only going to the Musk “family of company” employees and ‘friends’ of Tesla.  And as part of the deal, no external, mass-media has been granted extended access to the car as of yet.

As for deliveries and production of the Model 3, this means we have primarily this information from Musk to go by from July:

“Handover party for first 30 customer Model 3’s on the 28th! Production grows exponentially, so Aug should be 100 cars and Sept above 1500.”

Indeed, we were at the launch party and saw the first 30 go out, however we haven’t been able to get a good feel on August’s deliveries (especially given the apparent non-disclosure cloud that is hanging over these early days), noting maybe a couple dozen or so being prepped and leaving the company’s Fremont, CA facility this month (such as these ~9 spotted late in the month by the Tesla Show).

So how many did Tesla Model 3s did deliver in August?  We feel like a range of somewhere between 40 and 75 sounds about right…so we will go with 75 (just to keep the emails of “hey why didn’t you guys say 100 down to a dull roar”), as we imagine Tesla stuck to the CEO’s directive of producing (key word in that quote from Musk – producing…not delivering) 100 Model 3s during August.

Looking ahead to September, and given where Tesla seems to be at today, we think we should again stress the quote from Musk, “Production grows exponentially, so Aug should be 100 cars and Sept above 1500“.

Which to us (using our Tesla decoder ring) translates to “…we will see real production of the Model 3 get going near September’s end, we are looking to build 1,500+, but most of those cars will be delivered in October”.

 

 

 

Chrysler Pacific Plug-In Hybrid

Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid: 

The much anticipated plug-in extended range passenger van arrived in January, albeit in stealth, stuttered… and very limited in fashion.

Due to some odd quirks with production timing and plant scheduling we have had a on/off/on/off/quasi-on start for the Pacifica Hybrid as it relates to deliveries.  Then there was QC holds, then launch delays. Finally, the Pacifica Hybrid officially arrived on “Earth Day” April 22nd, 2017, and customers enjoyed a good 3-4 weeks of arriving inventory…until the wheels fell off (not literally).

By June 10th a nationwide recall was announced, and all 1,677 Pacificas sold in the US and Canada had to head back to Chrysler to get a faulty diode replaced that could cause lost of power when in operation.  We won’t get into all the details from there (check out our June sales report for more info).

The recall note discloses this issue, and we have yet to hear differently:

“Chrysler has not yet finalized its remedy plans for this recall. The recall is expected to begin on July 24, 2017. Owners may contact Chrysler customer service at 1-800-853-1403. Chrysler’s number for this recall is T34.”

Long story short, Chrysler put a stop sale on the van, and the unofficial date given for the fix and re-start deliveries was ~September 25th.

And as always, nothing is easy/clear with Chrysler, but this time in a good way.  While 2018 MY Pacifica Hybrid production did continue despite the recall, vans piled up at FCA waiting to be cleared for sale and first deliveries (non of which have yet to be delivered);  however the already-built 2017 MY Pacifica Hybrids were made available (or re-available as the case may be) mid-month.

Long story short – anxious (and in some cases very patient) customers finally got to take delivery of their 33-mile extended range van, while dealerships in the US once again has some salable inventory to move. Not a heck of lot went out before month’s end, but we estimate a solid 425 units were delivered.

 

 

2017 BMW 330e - Like All Plug-Ins Sold In The US, It Wisely Is Offered In Black

2017 BMW 330e – Like All Plug-Ins Sold In The US, It Wisely Is Offered In Black

BMW 330e:   

Arriving on the US market about a year ago was the BMW 330e, which is the plug-in hybrid version of the company’s high selling 3 series offering.

And while the 330e (from $44,695 including DST), physically arrived in April 2016 in a token amount, and it took BMW 9 months to begin to stock the vehicle even marginally.  A process which has finally started to take hold in mid-2017.

By May 2017 some decent inventory arrived, and sales followed, as the 330 sold 475, then 499 in June.

Unfortunately, the 330e fell back in July and August, but not by a lot, as 387 and 409 copies respectively were sold – good enough to keep it moving up the sales charts into 12th, passing the VW e-Golf in July and the Audi A3 e-tron in August.

On the inventory side, the 330e peaked at around 750 cars in July, before falling back to almost 400 units – thankfully the 2018s have started to arrive and inventory levels have risen to just north of 600 – hopefully on their way much, much higher – because BMW could certainly show even better results with this offering.

As for the specs, the final EPA ‘real world’ range rating of just 14 all-electric miles  (via a 7.6 Kwh battery – 5.7 usable) was a disappointment for some hoping for a number closer to 20, but with a 75 mph top speed in “Max eDrive”, it is a capable offering (featuring a 2 liter turbo inline 4) and should satisfy the traditional BMW crowd and be a strong seller.

The electric motor develops 87 hp with maximum peak torque of 184 lb-ft, when combined with the petrol engine, the total output jumps to 248 hp, with a peak torque of 310 lb-ft, allowing a sprint from 0 to 60 mph in 5.9 seconds and  a top speed of 140 mph.

 

 

 

Audi A3 Sportback e-tron

Audi A3 Sportback e-tron

Audi A3 Sportback e-tron:    

After selling between about ~400 copies a month in Q1 (387, 400 and 414), Audi slipped in Q2, and now into  Q3.

For May Audi moved 294 A3 e-trons, before increasing to 324 copies in June.

Unfortunately, that May-to-June gain was pulled back in July and August, as just 218 and 129 plug-in Audis were sold (respectively) – the worst result for the car since in was introduced in 2015.

To be fair, some of this drop (or perhaps most of it) can be attributed to some poor planning/thin end of year inventory of the Sportback; currently only about 100-odd 2017s are left in stock.  Hey Audi, make with the 2018s already!

In 2016, 4,280 copies were sold…a not insignificant contribution to the US plug-in vehicle sales scene.  That said, Audi is still certainly not in the “big boys” category for EV sales, but also is definitely not in the “also rans” either.

Quirky fact not really related to EV sales, but certainly aided with the arrival of the A3 e-tron, the Audi brand has now set 79 consecutive months of record year-over-year sales in the US.

The A3 e-tron has a low price inside Audi’s lineup. $38,900 gets you the Audi badge, 8.8 kWh of battery – good for 17-odd miles of real world driving…and federal credit of $4,158, which is significant because this brings the e-tron package down to within $3,500 of the base MSRP of the A3.

Also a reason for decent sales numbers on the A3 e-tron…you can’t get the “sportback” version of the Audi in any other trim level in the US.  Check out our own early/pre-delivery review on the Audi A3 e-tron here.

 

 

 

 

Ford Fusion Energi

Ford Fusion Energi

Ford Fusion Energi:

The refreshed 2017 Ford Fusion Energi (details) was a fairly big hit in 2016, showing marked improvements throughout the year.

Heading into 2017, the Fusion Energi crossed back into “4 digit land” in March, as 1,002 Energis were moved in March…joining a club of just 5 other at that level.  A level which the company returned to in May…but could not maintain, as just 707 copies were sold in June, and an near equal amount in July and August at 703 and 762 deliveries respectively.

Looking at the inventory in the past, it was easy to see why (and how) so many of the new Fusion plug-ins were sold;  the Fusion Energi often won the crown for the “most stocked” EV in the US … before Chevy got crazy with the Volt and Bolt EV.

With that said, Ford had been struggling to keep production on pace with demand (or they are managing inventory lower)…after having almost 3,000 in stock in mid-June, by the start of August that number had fallen by about 800 units, as the industry-wide Summer shutdown/changeover to MY 2018 was underway.

Thankfully, the 2018s began to arrive late in the month, and inventory has started to rebound – so we hope for higher/better results in September.

 

 

 

 

Volkswagen e-Golf Comes To The US In November

Volkswagen e-Golf

Volkswagen e-Golf:  

Congratulations Volkswagen, you win our “jackass of the year” award…and its only August!

After a rocky start with continued dieselgate fallout, the longer range 2017 e-Golf was promised to the US after production started in Germany in late 2016.

Well, guess what?  All we see is VW selling down the over-stocked, “old & busted” 2016s clogging up dealer lots; the 2017s are apparently all penned-up and ready to go once the 2016s are cleared (and despite the fact other offerings are now entering MY 2018).

Despite the lack of  these 2017e -Golfs, the older model continues to sell decently enough, moving about ~300 copies a month on average this year, but with some incentives on the hood to drive sales.

In August specifically, 317 copies of the 2016 edition of the e-Golf were sold – but we wonder just who is lining up to buy a 2016 model year car…and how happy they will be to see the longer range version appear shortly.

As noted, eventually Volkswagen will be offering the upgraded range on the original e-Golf platform (see our review of the new model here).  When the 2017s arrive  With less than an estimated ~200 or so of the 2016s left, we imagine real soon.

The 2017 plug-in VW will now feature a 35.8 kWh battery, increasing range to ~124 miles and debuted at the LA Auto Show in November (details – launch gallery/video).

 

 

 

 

Ford C-Max Energi

Ford C-Max Energi:  

 

If it wasn’t for the impressive results of the Ford Fusion Energi every month, we probably would look at C-Max Energi results a lot differently.  And in June AND July…we finally did.

Last year…for just one month, the plug-in C-Max manged to step out of the Fusion’s shadow for the first time, and sold an all-time best 1,289 copies – 17% more than the Fusion Energi.

But in June and July, that trick was repeated back-to-back, as the C-Max Energi sold an impressive 936 copies, 33% more than the Fusion Energi (707) in June, then again 844 to 703 in July (+20%).

For August the smaller Ford plug-in couldn’t make it three in a row, but it was still close, as the C-Max plug-in moved 705 copies (just 57 behind the Fusion).

Will the C-Max Energi ever get its due as a top-selling plug-in model for the US?  Probably not. Especially as we just spotted the new Ford Escape Energi plug-in out testing in the US in June…a model which, along with a Focus Energi (a trademark application for which we recently uncovered), basically signifies the end of the C-Max Energi.

 

 

 

2014 Fiat 500e

Fiat 500e

Fiat 500e:   

When it comes to reporting plug-in sales, we have another Tesla on our hands here (as in they don’t report sales).

Chrysler/Fiat has been giving us a bit of the stonewall treatment when it comes to reporting 500e sales.

UPDATE: After initially have some issues getting data on the plug-in Fiat, more registration and rebate data is now available. That being said, the number is estimated. Historically, the average margin of error per month has been about ~40 units in those moments when some confirmed data leaks out (usually from a recall).  For 2016, the yearly estimated total was adjusted upwards (once) by approximately 500 units over the full 12 months.


For most of 2016, the Fiat 500e was a consistent performer, but 2017 results have really seen those results ratcheted up (amazing what ~$100 lease deals can do!)

It is interesting to note that sales this year peaked in January (of all months) at an estimated ~752 sales, but the sales have stayed exceptionally high year-over-year to date.

We had expected that sales would dip dramatically in the Summer (as they have in the past) with 2017 inventory thinning out ahead of 2018, but that doesn’t seem to be the case (although it is slightly lower), a decently healthy ~400 or so copies (given the small number of Fiat dealers in California and Oregon able to sell the 500e) were on hand during the month.

For August, we estimate that 415 all-electric Fiats found a home (mostly in California) during the month.  As for the 2018 model year, we have not yet heard when it will arrive, but it will be unchanged.

 

 

 

BMW X5 xDrive40e

x5 xDrive40e

BMW X5 xDrive40e:

The BMW X5 plug-in had an unexpectedly strong debut in the US in 2016…and only get stronger over the year.

In fact the electrified BMW SUV has seen sales as high as 876 units in 2016 (August 2016).

2017 started out a little lackluster for the X5 plug-in, as inventories stayed frustratingly low (insert this complaint for almost all BMW plug-ins found in America), but June managed a 2017-high with 488 sales, before settling again in the mid 400s in July (at 433 sales).

Throughout August, inventory of the popular plug-in BMW continued to fall, and no 2018s arrived to pick up the slack.   A situation if not rectified soon means the the X5 40e will be showing some disappointing sales in September.

The result of a once-again thinning inventory caused August sales to fall to just 317 copies, a four month low.

Check out our first drive review of the 13 mile AER BMW x5 xDrive40e here.

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173 responses to "August 2017 Plug-In Electric Vehicle Sales Report Card"

  1. Someone out there says:

    First place last month, second place this month. Not bad for a fugly car that doesn’t sell, supposedly.

    1. bro1999 says:

      Who knows, the Bolt may have been the actual sales leader in August too. Since Tesla doesn’t release monthly breakdowns, all we have are (pretty accurate) estimates by IEVs.

      1. wavelet says:

        The overall picture for the year still looks bad though — 11670 units YTD through Aug, which means even hitting 20K looks borderline, let alone the 30K everyone was estimating.

        Doesn’t seem the fault of the car itself — pretty much all professional & actual-owner reviews are good — but maybe Americans simply aren’t buying compact hatchbacks…

        1. SparkEV says:

          If the gas prices go up due to Harvey, we may see bigger EV sales in coming months. Already, gas prices are above $3/gal from $2.60 just a week ago. Almost 20% fluctuation in price in a week is almost like speculating the futures market.

        2. JeremyK says:

          Difficult to hit 20k units when they weren’t available in most of the country until Aug. 20K-30K next year should be no problem. THough it will be interesting to see how Leaf sales affect the Bolt.

          Price and availability of the Model 3 don’t put it in competition with the Bolt IMO. Not for 2018 anyway.

          Oh and 20K Model 3 sales in December of 2017. Not happening. My guess is they’ll be at about 5K/month by then.

    2. Mark.ca says:

      Where are the people that supposed to drop Model 3 and buy the Bolt? The car is ugly and the numbers are bad for the first ev that supposed to be affordable and for everyone. These numbers are a big disappointment.

      1. Someone out there says:

        The Bolt is far outselling the model 3 at the moment. It remains to be seen how many will actually put down $49k+ on a model 3. I certainly wouldn’t.

        1. Mark.ca says:

          I know you wouldn’t, you never planed to anyway. I would put 40K (not sure why you have 49k) and probably will do it in 2 years unless something else comes along that makes sense. The Leaf2 could male me take another lease…we’ll see.

    3. Miggy says:

      The Bolt is selling well for GM in the USA but Worldwide sales are low.

      1. Quebec 100% EV says:

        If only they would bring more to Canada, where in some areas waiting lists of 6 months or more have been reported.

        Thanks to Quebec’s upcoming ZEV mandate, GM Canada got their act together (read: started s******* in their pants and got on the phone with Detroit and started begging profusely) and GM USA started shipping more Bolts to Quebec this past month. Let’s hope that trend continues in order to fill the demand which still outpaces supply in Québec. Last I heard the wait is down to about 2 or 3 months at most GM dealerships in Quebec. God bless the power of fear (the ZEV mandate hasn’t even been approved yet by the provincial legislature and we’re already seeing the positive effects of it).

      2. Asak says:

        You can’t sell something that doesn’t exist. GM is barely sending any cars abroad. I don’t understand why they aren’t ramping up production a lot more, since the demand in Europe and Canada seems to be there.

  2. John Ray says:

    LEAF inventory is very thin and it’s mostly the lower trim S model that’s in stock. If LEAF II really isn’t expected until December, then LEAF sales will plummet for the rest of the year.

    I am hoping it’s more like what they did with the Zoe where they revealed the car and it was available almost immediately.

    1. mx says:

      East Coast, the BMW i3 inventory is very low too.

      Can’t understand why anyone would tie themselves down to the horrible performance( as an EV ) of the PRIME, when you could lease a 100% better in all category BMW i3 REX for less money?

      People don’t shop.

      1. mx says:

        And if you’re buying a Prime, you’re going to stick with that car for 10 years of torture? Really!

        A car that won’t get 10 miles of electric range in Winter?
        Really?

        1. john1701a says:

          >> A car that won’t get 10 miles of electric range in Winter?

          Spreading misinformation about any plug-in is helpful to our effort of promoting electric driving how?

          That claim about Prime is uncalled for, totally inappropriate. We here know that is false.

      2. mx says:

        Interesting to see what the sales of the i3SPORT will be.
        This thing will Kill Porsche Caymans-Boxsters in city/suburban driving, and anything with a stick is Dead.

        And Far More Fun to drive an Electric i3 than a Porsche.
        ( Except at Watkins Glenn, of course. )

      3. speculawyer says:

        “Can’t understand why anyone would tie themselves down to the horrible performance( as an EV ) of the PRIME, when you could lease a 100% better in all category BMW i3 REX for less money?”

        Errr…what? Are they discounting the i3 that much? The MSRP of those two cars are no where close to eachother.

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          It would certainly be startling if that were the case over the long term. Seems like BMW would be losing money on the deal.

          I wonder if this is another case of someone seeing a sales promotion by a single dealership, or a few, and thinking that was the norm for the car? Or perhaps BMW was running a short-term sales promotion?

      4. CCIE says:

        Agreed, clearly people don’t shop around. There are much better PHEV alternatives to the PP.

        I’m guessing that it’s previous Prius owners who just stick with the brand, never realizing how anemic a PHEV the PP is. Toyota did a good job with the original Prius, but had has dropped the ball since then.

        1. john1701a says:

          Striving to deliver an affordable choice, not dependent on tax-credits, is in no way dropping the ball.

          1. CCIE says:

            The PP also qualifies for tax credits. They’re just less than better PHEVs because its battery is undersized.

            No one knows what will happen when the tax credits expire for Tesla, and especially GM. But, I doubt that congress will leave American car companies at a disadvantage to the foreign companies who have been dragging their feet on EVs (like Toyota).

            1. john1701a says:

              Dragging?

              Toyota’s first nationwide plug-in rollout is affordable without tax-credit help. GM is still very dependent on subsides and hasn’t expanded to their primary market yet (no SUV), despite 7 years and 2 generations.

              In other words, the measure of progress is based upon how well the technology actually replaces traditional vehicle business.

              1. CCIE says:

                Again, Toyota is also using the tax credit, just less because of the PP’s small battery. GM has as much room to lower the price as Toyota, if/when the credits end.

                My measure of progress is based on how useful the car is and how far it can go purely electric. If you care more about buying a car from a market charging company, you should be looking at Tesla.

                Oh, and Toyota is on their 2nd gen of PHEV Prius and it still can’t equal the Gen1 Volt. So, you can’t really bash GM for not expanding the line. Though I also wish they would get on with it.

      5. Asak says:

        People buying Prii were generally those who didn’t care about performance in the first place.

        1. john1701a says:

          +1

          Ordinary consumers are the target, not enthusiasts.

          That’s why the obsession by some here with faster & further makes no difference to them.

          That is also why MSRP is such a big deal. Toyota will use up their tax-credits much faster than GM, but won’t get stuck afterward like GM.

  3. SparkEV says:

    “e-Golf … but we wonder just who is lining up to buy a 2016 model year car”

    eGolfs are leasing for similar as 500e, often lower. Question should be why are people taking 500e over eGolf when it’s bigger, longer (thanks to DCFC), and uncut. Must be the acceleration.

    1. SparkEV says:

      evvin is very helpful in finding the lease prices.

      http://ev-vin.blogspot.com/

    2. mx says:

      VW has zero inventory on the East Coast.
      This is a JOKE.
      Dump VW.

      1. SparkEV says:

        500e wasn’t ever available in East coast, yet they sold more than eGolf that is available wider (at least on paper). Why?

        As for dumping, when a car is leasing for less than many cell phone plans, especially after subsidy, it’s time to take notice, EV or otherwise. 500e and eGolf are approaching $60/mo in CA, even lower for low income in CA.

        1. Mark.ca says:

          I just got my last credit for the eGolf and did the math and in my example, after factoring in gas savings and all credits, my monthly payment is $7…i do have a $395 return lease fee so that bumps it to $18…talk about a deal that you must not pass up!

  4. bro1999 says:

    Ok, who was the 1 guy that bought an ELR last month? Probably got a screaming deal.

    1. (⌐■_■) Trollnonymous says:

      lol…… right?

  5. ClarksonCote says:

    To me, the decrease in Volt sales is more likely due to the Prius Prime than the Bolt EV.

    Which is sad, given how superior the Volt is to the Prime in almost every way. But there’s clearly a loyal fan base from existing Toyota Prius owners.

    1. ClarksonCote says:

      To add, near me there are virtually zero Volts in stock. I was speaking with one Chevy dealer and he said a guy came in looking for Volts on the lot, and when they didn’t have any he got all vulgar and stormed off.

      If there’s 4,000 in inventory, they’re not around here.

      Luckily the 2018’s are due to arrive soon and they have several on order.

    2. speculawyer says:

      I so wish people would not buy the pathetic underbatteried PRIME. But there are huge swaths of loyal Prius & loyal Toyota buyers that stick to Toyota instead of giving Chevy a chance.

    3. WadeTyhon says:

      I think you are absolutely correct, this is a contributing factor.

      I too do not understand choosing a Prime over a Volt. My assumption is: lower base MSRP and Toyota loyalty.

      But I’d rather people choose a Prime than a standard Prius. So I will not complain, as long as the owners take advantage of the EV range!

    4. ffbj says:

      Yeah, that seems likely.

  6. Bul_gar says:

    What happen with promised 150 delivered Model 3s in august?
    Is it that hard to make 5 per day?

    1. bro1999 says:

      Production hell is tough, yo.

    2. WadeTyhon says:

      Well, Inside EVs numbers are of course estimates.

      But as a lover of Tesla and and future Model 3 owner, take any numbers or timetables Musk provides with a grain of salt. 😉 They’re also estimates/goals.

    3. speculawyer says:

      100 was the number that Elon projected for August, not 150.

      Assume Jay is correct, they are slightly behind.

      But given typical Elon overoptimism, they are ahead. 😉

      1. Jay Cole says:

        Just to underline what was said by Tesla/Musk just ahead of the Model 3’s first deliveries in July, they estimated they would “produce” 100 in August…this is an important distinction that I don’t think everyone has picked up on, or perhaps they didn’t want too.

        Same goes for the 1,500+ number in September…again the key word in the estimate is produced – not delivered. Could Tesla deliver 1,500 next month? Sure. But for now we assume not.

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          Jay, am I correct in assuming that Tesla won’t be diverting any production to demo and service loaner units, this early in production? So long as Tesla is still anti-selling the Model 3, there doesn’t seem to be any good reason to think they will want any demo or service loaner Model 3’s at their stores and service centers.

          But of course, at some point that will start to happen. Perhaps early next year?

          1. Jay Cole says:

            Hey PP,

            Really have no good answer for that, we likely won’t know until mass production gets going in earnest and we can start to track that sort of thing.

            I imagine at some point in the near future, and this is just a WAG, Tesla will want to provide one-offs for display/demo to the company’s most popular retail locations and then branch off from there…but it will probably be a long, long time before we see any “service loaners”.

            Most likely scenario for a Model 3 showing up as a demo car in the near future (outside of specific events/flagships), is to see an orphaned car put to such a task for a time.

    4. Tech01x says:

      You are way too trusting that InsideEVs has the Model 3 number correct. Their write-up clearly states that they don’t know. The guidance was for 100 in August anyways, so the normal slop in the estimate is far higher than the estimate itself.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Margin of error or not, I haven’t seen estimates of Tesla’s production/deliveries from any other source that are as accurate as InsideEVs’ have proven to be.

        Jay Cole and his team have a lot to be proud of, in tracking down all this info (on sales of plug-in EVs in general, Tesla’s production/sales). I think we should all express our appreciation: Thanks Jay!

        In fact, during the time I was holding my nose and reading Tesla-related posts on Seeking Alpha on a daily basis (“know thine enemy”, doncha know), a lot of the serial Tesla bashers were dissing InsideEVs and its monthly Scorecard numbers. I presume they were upset because the info IEVs publishes for free is more accurate than what some of the so-called “financial analysts” are charging money for!
        😀 😀 😀

  7. Mike says:

    Finally got my Pacifica eHybrid delivered the day before yesterday!!

    Ordered Feb 16th, original delivery was supposed to be in May but the car was sent back while in transit. Final delivery was Aug 30th with the new Power Inverter Module aka PIM. (I checked the part number under the hood and it’s the latest build ending in ‘AY’, previous delivered versions ended in ‘AS’).

    So far we haven’t used any gas at all! I have no idea what the gas engine sounds like because it hasn’t come on. Even at highway speeds it’s all electric if the battery is charged.

    1. mx says:

      Give us more information.
      What’s your range.
      How’s the ride, materials, handling…

      1. bro1999 says:

        I’m surprised there have been *0* in-depth reviews on the Pacifica hybrid by any owners. I mean holy crap, this vehicle was release over 9 months ago (yes, I know about the sales halt).

        1. Mike says:

          Actual client deliveries only started in May so it’s really been only four months. And really only a handful made it out before they were sent back to Windsor so the reason there aren’t any in-depth owner reviews is because we’re all just getting them now!

      2. Mike says:

        EV Range seems to be better than advertised so far. Brochure says 55km’s but I’m getting 57-60 km’s per charge. That may be a function of weather but I don’t know.

        Materials are very nice and handling is fantastic. I didn’t have high hopes because it was a Chrysler but it was the only PHEV minivan so we bought it. I’m used to how German/Japanese cars handle and the PacHy is very similar.

        My parents used to have a Chevy and some Fords and both types drove like boats and were of questionable build quality. PacHy is much more refined.

        It handle’s like it’s on rails. We had a gas Pacifica loaner for the past couple months while we were waiting, the Hybrid version drives completely differently and is vastly superior. It’s smooth, quiet and precise.

        There may not be many owner reviews because they really only JUST started arriving in the last week or so. There aren’t many owners yet!

        We are certainly pleasantly surprised with how good it is.

    2. speculawyer says:

      Hi Mike,

      We’d love to see a short review from you after you’ve had a chance to drive it around a bit! Please let us know what you think of it in the coming weeks! Thanks!

    3. WadeTyhon says:

      That’s fantastic, congratulations! I hope you continue to love it!

      We need more large vehicles like this with plugs. It will make a world of difference!

      1. Mike says:

        I agree!

        Initially I thought I would have preferred Honda or Toyota to be first to make an PHEV minivan but as it turns out (delivery delays and lack of communication notwithstanding) Chrysler has managed to turn out a very nice PHEV van! I’d take the PHEV Pacifica now over a Sienna any day and it definitely gives the 2018 Odyssey a run for its money.

        I still have reservations about the PacHy’s longevity and maintenance but that could just be from my lingering personal bias against vehicles from “the big three” automakers.

        If I’m honest though, I’m very impressed with it.

  8. unlucky says:

    Still no real deliveries of Model 3s.

    I don’t really get Tesla’s business model. So bizarre. Why rename “production intent” qualification models as something else and send then to employees and investors?

    Why not just test the models like every other company and offer them for sale when they are actually ready for sale?

    1. bro1999 says:

      Because the CEO opened his fat mouth and promised July “deliveries”, so he had to deliver on that promise so the stock holders would be happy. It’s all a dog and pony show for the stock holders really.

      1. mx says:

        All across the US Corporate world, when you compensate with stock you’re going to get that.

      2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Notice how the short-selling anti-Tesla trolls talk like Tesla’s (or Elon’s) main motivation is manipulating stock prices.

        No, dude, that is your obsession. Not Tesla’s!

        1. Bonaire says:

          You don’t think Elon is obsessed with getting another tranch of 5.5 million shares of stock options once they hit 300,000 produced vehicles (despite sales) ? He wanted that done this year (which is why he early mentioned doing 100k to 200k Model 3 in H2 of 2017)

          1. floydboy says:

            No, no I don’t.

            1. ClarksonCote says:

              I do. I interviewed with Tesla and one of their main points was to talk up how everyone’s in it for the passion and to get that stock price up. They do get stock compensation as well, after all.

              1. ffbj says:

                It’s certainly not out of the question. Although sometimes there is just smoke, and no fire.

          2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            No, I don’t. Elon’s time is in very high demand, what with managing Tesla and SpaceX and the Boring Co, and being involved in other things as well. It’s flatly impossible to believe he could spend as much time obsessing over Tesla’s stock price as most of the serial Tesla bashers who post here. Even for Elon, there are only 24 hours in a day!

            And despite what the serial Tesla bashers want us to believe, Tesla is in the business of making and selling great cars, not to mention solar roof tiles, stationary battery packs, and a few other products. It’s not in business merely to sell stocks, as all too many of them insinuate.

    2. SparkEV says:

      You mean like Bolt selling less than 600 the first month?

      Tesla is ramping up production. They “reward” their employees with the early batch. I see nothing wrong with this. Almost makes me want to go work for Tesla (almost; had enough of startups and their crazy work schedule)

      1. bro1999 says:

        Probably a wise decision not to work for Tesla, unless you are one of the C-suite personnel.

        https://www.buzzfeed.com/carolineodonovan/labor-board-files-complaint-against-tesla?utm_term=.qe73VNaBxy#.xgVaYr8Beo

        The Bolt sold those ~600 units in just the last 5 days of December btw.

        1. SparkEV says:

          “The Bolt sold those ~600 units in just the last 5 days of December btw”

          If you like the idea of MFR holding up several weeks’ worth of cars and shipping them clear across the country for best compliance credits, yeah, Bolt did really well. I’d rather see the car sold sooner, even to employees.

        2. Nix says:

          GM announced the SORP (start of retail production) would be Oct. 2016. Zero deliveries in Oct. 2016. Zero cars in Nov.

          http://insideevs.com/2017-chevrolet-bolt-production-still-set-to-begin-in-october/

          Tesla announced production of Model 3 to be July of 2017. 30 cars delivered in July, more in August (maybe 75).
          ______________________________________

          Well, I suggest you getting in as much trash talk about delivery numbers as you can for the next month or two, because the expiration date on that is coming up quicker than you will ever admit. I suggest about 5 posts a day to really get it out before that expiration date hits.

      2. bro1999 says:

        And GM was testing pre-production units of the Bolt (basically what Tesla is delivering right now to employees, but counting them as “deliveries”) many months before the first customer units were delivered.

        The big difference? GM didn’t count these test units being driven around by employees as real “deliveries” like Tesla did.

        1. Mark.ca says:

          They didn’t count them because they did not sell them…you seem to be struggling with the concept of selling a product.

        2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          So why are you whining about the fact that Tesla is selling its early production units, instead of using all of them as internal test units?

          You seem to think we should be OUTRAGED that Tesla isn’t running its business like GM does.

          Well, thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster that Tesla is not trying to run its business as if it’s GM!

          1. floydboy says:

            Hear, hear!

          2. ffbj says:

            It does strike one as the sort of argument that since you did not follow prescribed procedures that you are bound to fail.

            Though that has yet to be show and evidence to the contrary continues to mount.

        3. floydboy says:

          You DO realize that these cars ARE production cars and the people who purchased them ARE customers? Regardless of what alt-reality definitions you place on them. The fact that they are investors or employees, may be cannon fodder for the intellectually dishonest, but it in NO WAY changes that fact.

          1. unlucky says:

            We can argue about names all we want. They’re not material. The cars at this stage are still what other companies would call “production intent”, not “production”. Now Tesla can call them production if they want, but it doesn’t mean I should be fooled into thinking it means the same as what other cars call production.

            These are early cars off the line, they are from a point where the line is still being worked out, so they will vary greatly from later cars and require a ton of rework. To deal with this Tesla has “sold” them to employees and investors who won’t quibble about the quality issues, getting them fixed, etc.

            Now I won’t say that isn’t a business model, it is. My question is what advantage does it get them? Why bother doing this? Is it to fool people who think that means the car is further along than it is? Is it to book a meagre 100-ish sales? I can’t see a good reason to do this.

            1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

              unlucky said:

              “Tesla can call them production if they want, but it doesn’t mean I should be fooled into thinking it means the same as what other cars call production.”

              Tesla is getting paid for those cars. Tesla is getting paid actual U.S. Dollars, not Monopoly money.

              What part of that don’t you understand?

              1. unlucky says:

                I do understand. I mentioned this rightin my post.

                I also understand the money from 100 meagre sales (even they indeed even collected the money) is not a good enough reason. It doesn’t explain it.

                1. Mark.ca says:

                  Unlucky, when someone takes possession of something in exchange for giving compensation….how do you call that?

        4. Nix says:

          None of those Bolt were street legal for sale by the US Gov’t, and they all were destroyed. All a loss for GM.

          On the other hand, the 3’s were all legal, all sold to customers, all with actual money transferring hands.

          It sounds like Tesla’s business plan is way better. If other car makers could do it too, they would. But they can’t because of the antiquated dealer franchise model that bans GM from selling cars directly to anybody, even employees.

          Yet another example of how Tesla’s innovative First Principles thinking is proving to be an advantage over traditional car makers.

          1. unlucky says:

            They weren’t sales legal for GM because they didn’t bother to make them sales legal. They could do it. They didn’t do it. You’re reversing cause and effect. I’m asking why Tesla bothered to make vehicles at this level of production development sales legal when no one else bothers?

            Going through all this to get $5M of revenue today instead of months from now is not worth the trouble. It is not a superior business model.

            1. Nix says:

              No, they couldn’t do it, because they can’t sell them to employees at their factory. They can only sell them to DEALERS, and the dealerships can sell them to whoever the heck they want. GM can’t force them to sell them to employees.

              Like I said, if they could they would. They can’t. Because dealers.

            2. Nix says:

              And it isn’t swapping $5 million in sales from one month to another. It is adding sales in the early months, and getting more sales in the months after that on top.

      3. unlucky says:

        The Bolt sold less than 50 the first month I thought. But they went to actual, REAL customers.

        GM had production intent vehicles in the first half of 2017. So no, this isn’t anything like that. If GM had called those production intent vehicles “production” and sent them to employees they would have been over six months earlier.

        But why? Why bother. It doesn’t change actual deliveries. And you’re going to have to fix those vehicles over and over anyway because they were early models off the line and you weren’t good at making them yet.

        I don’t get why Tesla sees advantage to calling these cars production when no one else does at the same point in the process.

        1. Nix says:

          Yes, I am certain that Tesla will have to do some re-works on those cars they sold to employees.

          But GM had to SCRAP their entire pre-production test fleet, by law. And they can’t even re-use parts for production cars, or sell parts used. They have to be crushed and recycled. Including the batteries.

          Which is better for business?
          Which is better for the environment?
          Which is better for rewarding employees?

          1. unlucky says:

            No, GM didn’t have to scrap their entire fleet by law. They can keep them as long as they want. They can assign them for employee use. They can put new parts on them to do further development. They could (with a bit of trouble) send them to Cruise to use for their development of self-driving. They just can never sell them to customers. They must remain GM property.

            For sure they cannot reuse the parts in other cars. No one can. You cannot put used parts in a car and then sell it as a new car! Not even if your name is Elon Musk (or Carroll Shelby for that matter, he got in trouble for it).

            1. Nix says:

              Actually, they only have limited time to use them on public roads before they have to either crush them or permanently take them off the road and put them in a museum or long term storage. They would need to apply for a waiver to operate on public roads a year after being given initial clearance to operate on public reads. The vast majority of the pre-production Bolts are likely already crushed and recycled.

              The remaining few that may exist are the exception that proves the rule.

              Meanwhile, 100% of the Tesla’s built starting July 1 will remain on the road until they are retire by their final owner, perhaps 20-30 years from now.

              You can dodge and weave, but the numbers are clear. 1, maybe 2 years vs. 20-30 years.

              Which is bigger?

  9. Bonaire says:

    Explosive EV growth in 2017 still not seen yet. Everything rides on the hype of Tesla Model 3. I think we see 30% total overall YoY growth once December is over. then next year – something a little more than that.

    1. Mark.ca says:

      It’s clear that the growth will be provided mainly by Tesla and maybe Toyota sinc the others increase their sells at a slow pace.

      1. Bonaire says:

        Toyota? Explain…

        1. Mark.ca says:

          I think the Prime will put some good numbers going forward…i know, not an ev but it’s counted on the score boards because of its (pathetic) electric range.

          1. john1701a says:

            What’s up with the insults about battery-pack size?

            That sets a terrible precedent, especially as traditional vehicle sales continue to dominate.

            You ready to point out the EV guzzlers? After all, some are far more efficient than others.

            1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

              “What’s up with the insults about battery-pack size?”

              It’s sad, but some EV “purists” are so narrow-minded that they keep insisting that only BEVs are “real” EVs… as though somehow the “EV” in “PHEV” means something different.

              Reminds me of a Baptist joke, as follows:

              I was walking across a bridge one night, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said, “Stop, friend! Don’t do it!”

              “Why shouldn’t I?” he asked.

              I said, “Well, there’s so much to live for!”

              He asked, “Like what?”

              I asked, “Well, are you religious, or atheist?”

              He said, “Religious”.

              I said, “Me too! Are you Christian, or Jew, or Buddhist, or something else?”

              He said, “Christian”.

              I said, “Me too! Tell me, friend, are you Catholic or Protestant?”

              He said, “Protestant”.

              I said, “Great, so am I! Are you Episcopalian, Baptist, Presbyterian or something else?”

              He said, “Baptist”.

              I said, “Wonderful! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?”

              He said, “Baptist Church of God”.

              I said, “Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of God or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?”

              He said, “Reformed Baptist Church of God”.

              With great excitement, I cried, “Excellent! Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879 — or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?”

              He said, “Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915”.

              I said, “Now we’re getting somewhere, friend! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915, Premillennial Rapturist — or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915, Postmillennial Rapturist?”

              He said, “I’m Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915, Postmillennial Rapturist”.

              So, of course, I yelled out, “Die, heretic scum, die!!” and pushed him off the bridge.

          2. Nix says:

            The Prime is actually about in the middle of the pack in battery size for PHEV’s.

            1. CCIE says:

              Someone like Toyota should be near the front of the pack, if not leading. Releasing two generations of anemic PHEV Pruises is just sad. Hopefully they’ll act as a gateway drug for their buyers to get them into better PHEVs/EVs next time.

              1. john1701a says:

                $27,100 base MSRP with an assortment of included new safety features is leading the pack.

                1. CCIE says:

                  It may be leading some pack, but not the PHEV/EV pack. They would have to double EV range, cut 0-60 time by 33%, and have five seats to even be in contention to do that.

                  At the moment the PP is canabalizing standard Prius sales from people who don’t do research and blindly buy from Toyota.

                  1. john1701a says:

                    That “some pack” is mainstream consumers, the group that masters far more than early adopters.

                  2. john1701a says:

                    Thinking conquest is better is a fundamental mistake. That is just purchases from new customers. Legacy automakers must get their own loyal existing customers to change.

                    Replacing older offerings with new is the goal. It’s called an upgrade.

                    This is why MSRP is so vital. Falling into the trap of thinking faster & further is better happens all the time. Don’t let that distract from the purpose of attracting ordinary shoppers, who have very different priorities.

                    1. CCIE says:

                      Again, hopefully it will act as a gateway drug to a better EV/PHEV. And hopefully Toyota gets on the ball. If they want to offer a weak PHEV, that’s fine. But, they should also offer a strong one so the Prius lemmings have an option.

  10. HVACman says:

    The Secret Revealed. EXCLUSIVE YOUTUBE VIDEO of Jay estimating August Tesla Model 3 deliveries.

    You only get this supernatural level of service at IEV’S! Thanks, Jay!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76wzA2A2T1Q

    1. georgeS says:

      LOL HVACman. I was a Carson Mcmayon fan. Sis coom bah!

  11. ClarksonCote says:

    “Volt hand Tesla” should be “Volt and Tesla”

  12. speculawyer says:

    Nice to see the uptick in Pacifica PHEV sales. I had high hopes for that thing but so far it has been hampered by lack of marketing and a defect recall. I hope they fix that recall problem quickly.

    I think the Pacifica PHEV’s biggest competitive problem will be itself….specifically, the none PHEV version has the stow & go seating wherein the rear seats can be folded into cubby holes in the floor. Sadly, I think most people will opt for that feature instead the PHEV model which can’t due that because that space is used for the battery. :-/

    1. Mike says:

      I wouldn’t worry too much about that. The Gas one doesn’t drive nearly as well as the PHEV and the PHEV still has stow’n go for the third row. It’s only the second row that loses it and honestly I don’t know many minivan owners that would find that much of an issue since that’s the row your own kids go in. The third row is for their friends or your stuff which is why stow’n go there is a must. PHEV has that so it’s fine.

      Now that they seem to have gotten a handle on the recall issue (ie it seems to be solved) I expect marketing will pick up again. In fact they just released two press releases today about the PacHy (2018 version) so it has already begun. They’ve definitely got something here, it’s a great van!

      1. speculawyer says:

        Ah…didn’t know that. Thanks!

  13. Spoonman. says:

    I just saw a PHEV S90 sedan on Volvo’s website, with pricing and everything. Is that coming soon along with the XC60 PHEV?

    1. Jean-François Morissette says:

      They are already on sales in Europe, both the S90/V90 and the XC60 in their PHEV version. So we will probably see them soon. In Canada, I was told around December.

  14. Mark.ca says:

    It’s official, the Bolt will not sell in big numbers even when Model 3 is not available. It’s even more obvious that the people hot happy with the M3 will not go for this awkward looking car. I was estimating last month that some will actually buy this now that the M3 with options price was revealed but it didn’t even get to my 2500 prediction and most likely it’s not going to go over 25k for the year. People have spoken!

    1. bro1999 says:

      Whew, I’m glad you’re here to tell us that. I’ll pass the word to GM that they can cancel Bolt production as of today, thanks to Mark.ca’s brilliant deductions.

      1. Mark.ca says:

        I told you last month, didn’t i? You had doubts, now you know. Maybe now you will start seeing the reality.

        1. bro1999 says:

          Doubts about what? I said the Bolt would set another monthly sales mark in August, and that’s exactly what happened.

          I’ll go out on a very thick limb and say the sales mark will once again be topped next month. You want to make a bet against that?

          1. Jean-François Morissette says:

            I do agree. Bolt will have its best month yet in September. I will say 2400. It was my prediction for this month (just for fun), based on the national availability, the Model 3 publicity that help people know a little bit more that EVs exist.

            I still think that GM want to be present in the EV market to make sure they are there when it goes up for real, but in the same time, they don’t really want to sale them in large volumes yet. It is good for them to demonstrate they can do it, they do far better than other players, but still…

            I also predict that once the LEAF 2.0 is out there, and the Model 3 is out there for real, they will have to lower the price a little bit. And because more Nissan dealers are used to sell EV now, and Nissan does seem interested to sale them, Tesla Model 3 and Nissan LEAF will be no.1 and 2 for EV sales worldwide in 2018.

            1. menorman says:

              Nissan dealers want to sell the Leaf? When did they start?

              1. Jean-François Morissette says:

                I just wanted to say that more Nissan dealers do keep the LEAF and are a little bit interested in selling it. Here in Quebec, if you want a pure EV, this is so much easier to get your hands on a LEAF than on any other EV. Far from saying it’s perfect, but there are not the worst, that’s all! It is the most popular EV in the world.

          2. Mark.ca says:

            I will bet you that this car will never ever be popular…which is sad. Look Bro, i hate the looks of this car but i was hopping that more people would buy it so we can have an acceleration in ev adoption. Obviously this car will do little to help and this is entirely on GM for placing all their nice tech in that fugly body. With cars like these i will take 100 years to switch. I bet even the Leaf2 will sell in bigger numbers.

            1. BenG says:

              The Bolt still has potential, but it’s clear that $37,000 was way too high a price for most people. $25,000 or a little less, after federal tax credit is where this car needs to be priced to compete with other hot hatches.

              I know that dealers are offering significant discounts in a lot of the country, but I expect that VW and Ford also offer discounts from the ~$25,000 base price of their hot hatches.

              GM understandably has chosen to limit their risk by producing a limited number of Bolts in the first year, and they’re trying to get maximum sales price for each one.

    2. JeremyK says:

      I’m very curious to see the sustainable demand for the Model 3, once the initial backlog is filled.

      Sure, there are a LOT of people with money that are going to grab the car as soon as it’s available, due to exclusivity. However, there are many others that love the “idea” of a Model 3 but are going to have a very hard time writing a check or getting approved for financing, for a ~$45K car.

      For that kind of money, I want a BMW badge on the front and handling, ride, and QUALITY that go with it. I’m not convinced that Tesla has the quality part figured out yet. We’ll see.

      1. Mark.ca says:

        It all depends on your location. I been driving German cars for the past 15 years but there is no way i will ever buy one again. I got rid of my benzes and still hold a VW lease but lesson learned. They are unreliable as they get older and expensive to fix so i would take the Tesla if i had to choose between the them…otherwise will stick with Lexus.

      2. unlucky says:

        I’m sure it’ll do well. It’ll quickly have competition and that will chop sales down. People will buy Audis, Mercedes, etc. when they have competing EVs.

        But I still think it’ll sell well. It’ll likely be the top selling EV for 2 years or until the Model Y comes out.

    3. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Well said, Mark. (You can safely ignore the whining troll.)

      Tesla is “anti-selling” the Tesla Model 3? Well, GM — and Chevrolet dealers — are giving Tesla lessons in how to truly anti-sell a car!

  15. Me says:

    Two errors in the table. Model 3 row should still read 0 for July and August.

    Delivering production prototypes to employees and their top fanboys doesn’t count.

    1. bro1999 says:

      It counts in Elon’s World.

    2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Sales are sales.

      You Tesla haters can move the goal posts all you want to, continuing to pretend that the Tesla Model 3 isn’t in production, but all the FUD in the world doesn’t change the reality.

    3. Mark.ca says:

      “Delivering production prototypes to employees and their top fanboys doesn’t count”

      Selling production prototypes to employees and their top fanboys doesn’t count…there, i fix it for you!

  16. Why Not? says:

    Hi Jay,

    I’d love to see you guys number the rows in this spreadsheet (like Jose does at EV Sales). It makes it easier to see how the different models move up or down in the list and also how many total models are available.

    Just a thought…

    1. Jay Cole says:

      We are hesitant to make anything about the list more complicated (we like just the raw/unfiltered numbers), but that is not a bad idea…would add something without being intrusive.

      1. wws says:

        Jay – have you considered splitting BEVs and PHEVs into separate areas of the spreadsheet? (And thank you for the work you put into making this available each month.)

  17. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    Interesting to see that sales of both the Bolt EV and the Prius Prime have been growing over the past several months. Also interesting that Jay Cole continues to suggest the Prime may turn out to be the #1 seller for 2017.

    Anyway, I’m glad that the Bolt EV finally has monthly sales not too far south of what we hoped it would have. It’s about time that somebody gave Tesla some competition! But Jay isn’t suggesting the Bolt EV can reach sales much in excess of 3000 per month, so it looks like annual sales will be rather far below the ~30,000 that GM had hoped for. 🙁

    Tesla Model 3 sales going from 30 last month to an estimated 75 this month… Well, it reminds me of a passage from The Princess Bride (the book, not the movie):

    How could someone care if she were the most beautiful woman in the world or not. What difference could it have made if you were only the third most beautiful. Or the sixth. (Buttercup at this time was nowhere near that high, being barely in the top twenty, and that mostly on potential…)

    The TM3 looms large only because of its potential, certainly not because of its actual sales/deliveries so far! The question before the house is, of course: Just how rapidly will that change?

    Will the TM3 manage to outsell all the other plug-in EVs on a monthly basis by the end of the year? Or will we have to wait until 2018 to see that happen? Sadly, my crystal ball remains cloudy; we’ll have to wait and see!

    1. Mark.ca says:

      We desperately need a blockbuster ev to accelerate the transition. 1% for crying out loud! If a recession hits all this can be undone, we need a stronger footing.

    2. Jean-François Morissette says:

      It is what I find interesting about the Tesla Model 3. Like it or not, the EV market in the US is about 20000 car a month so far. And that is what Tesla want to produce in December alone! Even if they miss, they will get there. all the 50 offering on the market today can’t sell more than this. That is why it will be nice to see how the market will evolve once Tesla goes really all in, doubling the market share with just one model. More so, the LEAF 2.0 will arrive by this time. 2018 is probably the big year.

    3. unlucky says:

      I can’t see why the Prime wouldn’t be the top seller plug-in for the year. I think Jay Cole is not the only one to predict this. I know I’ve already predicted it.

      I think you’re getting confused about Cole’s 3,000 prediction for the Bolt. That number comes from what GM can produce. There’s no reason to think that if GM produces 3,000 a month (which they can do now maybe) they can catch up on sales at the end of the year by selling inventory which hasn’t sold in previous months.

      I don’t get why you say “plug-in” EV. Is that to distinguish from FCEVs? Why not just say “plug-in”?

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        “I don’t get why you say ‘plug-in’ EV. Is that to distinguish from FCEVs?”

        No, it’s to make it clear that I’m including both BEVs and PHEVs, despite the attempt by some to redefine the term “EV” as meaning only BEVs.

        “Why not just say ‘plug-in’?”

        You seem to be going very far out of your way to find something to complain about in my posts. May I request in what I hope is a civil manner that, as the old adage goes, “Don’t holler until you’re bit.”

        1. unlucky says:

          No need to get insulted. No insult was meant.

          Why not just say plug-in?

  18. Bonaire says:

    This list needs Pickup Trucks and/or a viable PiHV CUV. Getting bored of sedans 🙂

    1. Rich says:

      We might have to wait a while. I received an email from Bollinger today:
      Sometime in 2018 you will have the opportunity to pre-order your B1 with a down payment, with the option of either 2-Door or 4-Door and either 60 kWh or 100 kWh battery pack. Other options will be listed then. And the ability to convert between full-cab and half-cab is a standard feature of every B1 – no need to choose.
      A retail price will be announced later this year. Our goal is to get the truck rolling off the assembly line in early 2019.

  19. Mike says:

    It will be interesting to see what the ‘anti-EV’ crowd will use as their next argument against EV’s.

    It seems to me like they’re running out of material. At first it was ‘not enough range’, ‘too expensive’, ‘powerplants pollute’, ‘slow and ugly’ but now their arguments are reduced to ‘not significant market share’ which isn’t actually a criticism of the technology at all if you think about it.

    Market share is a function of time and availability (and stuff like price too obv.) and now that the other points of criticism have disappeared I’m curious as to what they’ll come up with next. The EV market is growing at ~40% a year and has been for a few years now. That market share argument will soon fall too.

    But seriously, when was the last time you didn’t buy something because it had less than 1% market share?!? What a stupid argument!

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      What surprises me most about the EV-haters’ arguments is that they’re still beating the long-dead horse of “the long tailpipe” argument. But I guess they think they can still get mileage out of that, because the average person knows so little about plug-in EVs, and so little about how much pollution is emitted in producing and using gasoline and diesel.

      Not much has changed since the 2011 publication of “The EV-Hater’s Guide to Hating Electric Cars”:

      http://www.plugincars.com/ev-haters-guide-hating-electric-cars-107560.html

      1. Mark.ca says:

        Funny thing is they assume all ev drivers are greenies. As seen on these boards, some of the ev drivers could not care less about environmental issues. Bringing a long tail pipe argument to these people is just stupid.

        1. SparkEV says:

          Yup. “Green” of EV is just a side benefit. This is why IEV forum is much nicer for free expression. Places like green car reports actively squelch “I don’t care about green”, which makes it seem like every EV driver only care about green and nothing else.

    2. unlucky says:

      “It’s too hot, I was told cut my electricity use today. Clearly the grid cannot handle these cars. But I can still go to the gas station.”

  20. Warren says:

    Strong month for GM, but overall it looks like it will be close for beating out August of 2016.

  21. PHEVfan says:

    ” …we’d also like to welcome the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid back from the recall hiatus this month.”
    Jay – I love the sarcastic humor. Thanks for the laugh!

  22. Mystery says:

    Now all the tesla pushers will have to admit Peak model S and X in US, and likely worldwide (unless they pull another voodoo math trick), is Here, probably cannibalized by Model 3 promise, despite Musk taking my idea abt Model 3 coming thru a Boring tunnel hole, after convincing Hawthorne city council to drink the koolaid. Boring tunnels projects will move at a snail’s pace here in LA (it’s already a concrete jungle). Cettainly a Deathtrap in Houston, whose Model S and X owners’ cars likely got short-circuited

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      You need to loosen the strap on your tinfoil hat. It’s cutting off the blood supply to your brain.

      1. Mystery says:

        Facts dont lie (aug 2017 model S&X down dpuble digit %). Truth hurts i suppose. Cannot pull the wool anymore

        1. Nix says:

          Clearly you don’t understand that Tesla changes US sales mix and global sales mix from month to month. So if you are looking at just US sales, they will go up and down in a very predictable pattern. And S+X sales are actually up for the pattern of monthly sales variances.

          This is why Tesla doesn’t release monthly sales numbers. Because people like you are too ignorant to understand how they shift sales to different regions thoughout the quarter.

          1. Mystery says:

            Unless Tesla discloses the real intl end user End Customer sales (verifiable by actual VIN tracking deliveries like insideEVs in USA), they can get away with ‘voodoo math’, and get away their ‘reality distortion field’ over the poorly educated. As stated before, there is No Way they sold 12/22k Q2 cars internationally to legitimate end user customers (the China poor market share and other countries do not make up the difference). now with their clearly Falling WellPastPeak Model S & X even in the USA (do some math and look at InsideEVs tables), they would have pull even a more implausible smokescreen this month and for Q3, to avoid the perfect storm wall street Tank downgrade. The Sept 2016 numbber is 7,550 for the US, so that is why they are trying like crazed fire ants to do their Fire Sale of the 500+ inventory cars (Which in and Of itself means PEAK Model S & X, regardless of what other car companies stock). Waiting List = 0 (every one who wants one, has one, Model 3 cannobalization or whatever). doesn’t matter. THAT is the truth. And if it takes 8 months for them to build and deliver someone’s custpm Model X in the US, there are Serious production line management issues with model 3 (production hell), and customer service as well

  23. Don Zenga says:

    Good to see the Tesla Model S doing heavylifting again. Seems Bolt crossed the 2000 mark for the 1st time. Clarity sold 56 units.

    There are only 11 Smart-ED’s for sale nationwide and none of them are MY-2018, how did 94 of them sell. Looks dubious.

    1. unlucky says:

      How did 125 Model 3s sell if there are still no EPA efficiency figures for it?

      Some of these things in here don’t really make sense.

  24. Don Zenga says:

    92,000 plugins are sold in 2017-07 and 2017-YTD stands at 547,000. So in the next 5 months 453,000 should be sold to hit the 1 million mark which puts monthly target at 91,000. This is achievable because of production ramp up of Model-3 and still 2 quarter end months (Sep & Dec) are remaining and more models are joining in.

    In 2017-YTD (Upto July), Tesla stands @ #1 among manufacturers with 51.884 sales. This works out to Annualized rate of 87.000 + while in previous year they sold 76.000 units. Nissan and Renault are ranked #5 & #8, but when combined they are #1. BMW is close #2 catching up with Tesla while BYD has almost closed the gap with BMW & Tesla with 11.000 + sales in July.

    BTW, the above figure excludes the sales of heavy vehicles like buses and vans, including them will easily take the sales past 1.1 million vehicles.

  25. Ananthaswamy says:

    Roof top car parking required to save car battery from Harvy like problems.motor and battery to be fully protected from rain water for e-cars success in tropical countries heavy rains.

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  27. Excoriator says:

    I wouldn’t get too excited by the current sales figures. With a few exceptions, most of the vehicles listed have shown little growth over the years, the major growth factor being the introduction of new models. Check it out, I think you’ll find I’m right

    Probably not a message anyone here welcomes, but its as well to be realistic. Plug-ins remain a tiny fraction of total sales, and have a long way to go before they become mainstream.

    Any growth is supplier-pushed rather than consumer demand.

    1. Mystery says:

      For the US, that is the case. If we expand our micro-focus (ala our DJT who pulled out of Paris CC accord, USA pref for trucks SUVs gas industry), beyond to intl, that is where real growth is. US EVs well below China & Europe (~25%), so since Tesla is not doing well (share %) in China and refuses to disclose Real Intl End Customer deliveries, confirmed peak US Model S & X puts entire sales burden on Model 3. same for Bolt, upcoming Leaf, Prime, and anything new. Everything else is Flatlining (which is better than dying). Tesla Aug 2017 is DOWN -20%, and look at the Sept 2016 that they need to beat (No Way unless Voodoo Intl / demo vapor claims). So you likely will see some sort of quid-pro-quo Model 3 reservation Or increased Model S & X growth hyperbole that has Zero meaning to real paying END customer delivery sales, which should finally be the Primary determinant of TSLA stock price / mkt valuation (when Model 3 Real orders arrive at Waiting List = 0 like Model S & X did months ago)

      1. Excoriator says:

        Even here in the UK, there is no discernible consumer demand for anything other than conventional cars except in London where government grants and freedom from the congestion charges have pushed some people into buying one.

        Hybrids do reasonably well, due to their fuel efficiency which makes them attractive to people who depend on their cars for a living such as taxi drivers.

        The general population sees them as expensive and over complicated. In purely financial terms, you are far better off buying a reasonably efficient conventional car.

        Plug-in cars are, anyway, a no-no for more than half the UK population who live in apartments or terraced houses without garages or drives. A technology that cannot be used by half the population seems to me to be ultimately doomed.

        1. Rick Bronson says:

          Hybrids make perfect sense for those who live in homes without garage/porch/shed. But even here there are L2 chargers coming near street lights and soon the plugins will have facility to charge from them.

          Hope the Hyundai Ioniq-Hybrid is giving an affordable choice to many who feel that Prius is expensive.

          1. Excoriator says:

            I take your point, but does anyone want to drive home and then have to scout round your neighbourhood to find an unoccupied charging point?

            Conventional petrol cars remain by far the cheaper option, and there is NO hassle with charging

      2. Rick Bronson says:

        Sorry mystery, you got it wrong.
        Tesla’s 2017-H1 worldwide sales increased a lot, but US sales decreased because they increased allotment worldwide.

        Did you check the sales of similar sized luxury vehicles, they took a nasty hit.

        1. Mystery says:

          RBronson, you seem like a reasonable person, unlike the TSLA stock pushers who want to pull the wool over yr eyes. So, TSLA doesnt’t disclose Intl sales numbers. They Never say that the remainder of the Non-US sales tracked by InsideEVs are Intl, nor do they report allocation per country (which could be independently verified by registrations to End user customers, not Dealer / Partners (Investors) who wpuld gave a vested interest in pumping up the stock price (Tencent 5% owner)). Try not be to naive, and ask the hard questions as to why Would they Do this, when Every other car company does this, to be transparent. TSLA burns massive cash so they have to create ‘reality distortion fields’ of massive smoke and mirrors deception. I hope post Nov election of DJT teaches a lesson.
          Even more so than an apple iphone 7, there is a peak to everything. For Model S to have lasted this long (almost 5 years), is a notable feat, BUT the Peak in US and likely worldwide Has been reached. And Model X is flatlining as well, leaving it all up to model 3 which has many $1K Reservations (not converted orders) and Deliveries of Model 3 which should be the overwhelming primary factor in how The stock price fares as far as movement upward. Any other hyperbole (autopilot, music stream (WTF?), Boring tunnel, is an intentional distraction to sway the poorly educated in classic deceptional misdirection on a DJT level to look away from the Ugly but Real news.

          1. BenG says:

            So you are saying that Tesla is lying about its international and total sales? That’s quite an accusation. Where is your evidence.

            1. Mystery says:

              Well, you answered your Own Question – Tesla Does NOT Report it’s Intl sales At All, Like ALL Other car manufacturers. So they are Leaving Out An Entire Variable in a Math equation, because it gives them the Unique Ability to create Smoke and Mirrors Unaccounted Misdirection.
              After the past Nov DJT victory, and all these PP posts without addressing any of a posts real facts, this should be Fully to everyone, other than the poorly educated, easily swindled/duped.
              Just think about the statement after the Model 3 event that “interest of whatever in Model s & X is growing by 1800/day”. Zero follow up is that is sustainable for the next day, week, etc. No Farking Way, but that is the impression left in stupid people. How many of those converted to actual $70k+ orders – No follow up? PP refuses to do the InsideEVs math that show Model S Double digit decline for full 8 months of 2017 and August, period.

              1. Don Zenga says:

                If a company’s share price increase beyond a certain level, it will hold that level only for few days and then come back to its reasonable price, but in case of Tesla; it has been holding the $300+ price for many months and the $200+ price for many years. Many smartypants from nation’s largest investment management companies have tried to short sell Tesla and got their fingers burnt.

                If sales of Model-S is tanking, then they will not be eliminating the base versions like 60 KWh and 75 KWh RWD. In that case they would have introduced 50 KWh. Model-S is sold in some part of the World from Vietnam to Ireland and Tesla is really happy about it.

                Do you think only Tesla does not break up the sales? No
                GM does not break out the sales of the hybrid versions of Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra.
                Hyundai/Kia does not give a break up of plugin sales of Sonata/Optima.

                Tesla is only a small company and they will do this practice until Model-3 ramps up.
                Anyway they reveal at the end of every quarter and they cannot cook the # as they have to report to every government agency.

  28. DaveinOlyWA says:

    Guessing this has been mentioned several times already but the World revolves the “other way” you have your dates switched.

  29. Jean-François Morissette says:

    It seems like the Model 3 production is accelerating a little bit, or at least happening 🙂

    https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/6xjjr9/a_few_images_of_the_model_3_from_the_lot/

  30. Rick Bronson says:

    If GM delivers 3,000 Volts and 3,000 Bolts to Tesla and sell it on their behalf, Tesla will sell all of them in 1 month.

    Moral of the story: Right trim at the right price does not reach the right customer.

    If I want to buy a base trim and none of the dealers in 20 mile/30 km range offer it, then I will presume that no one buys these cars and will just go for a gasmobile.

  31. Jean-François Morissette says:

    Jay, shouldn’t the Bluecar sales be part of the total EVs in the US?

    http://insideevs.com/blueindy-finally-gaining-traction-after-rough-start/

    1. Jay Cole says:

      They are retained/captive fleet of the parent, so they have not been sold/registered as such.

  32. Larry Lefkowitz says:

    I always appreciate Pushmi-Pullyu’s insight and erudition on the forums, but here is a bit of true humor at my expense. I always wondered which country his name origined in and sudddenly recently I gave myself an open handed hit on the forehed (metaphorically) when I saw it is Push-Mi Pull-Yu.
    For me a minor ephiphany.

  33. BenG says:

    Only ~15% higher sales than last August. This is quite a bit worse than I had anticipated when looking forward from the start of the year.

    I’d expected bigger sales of the Prime, the Bolt and the Pacifica by now.

    Still expecting a strong finish to the year, but some of these ‘high volume’ candidates have not been distributed and sold at the pace I’d hoped.

    2018 will hopefully be another story as we will hopefully have a few companies really trying to ship some metal: the Model 3, the Prime, and the Leaf. GM seems content so far to putter along at fair but relatively unambitious volume of sales.

  34. Don Zenga says:

    While the overall market dipped 4%; the plugins increased 14% which is very good. Hope the Model-3 ramp up will give a much needed boost.
    Seems no new plugin is entering sales in September, October & November.

    1. Jean-François Morissette says:

      The Niro PHEV maybe?

      Volvo S90/V90 PHEV?!

      The new Panamera PHEV maybe?

      The updated e-Golf?

      I don’t have any hint, I am just wondering.

  35. Don Zenga says:

    Sonata went on sale with mid period changes, but the Hybrid & Plugin version is postponed to 2018. Hope they reduce the price on both models as the electric vehicles with higher range are coming in.

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