Audi Releases Details On 310-Mile All-Electric SUV

AUG 19 2015 BY MARK KANE 52

Audi e-tron quattro concept – Exterior Sketch

Audi e-tron quattro concept – Exterior Sketch

We are now just weeks away from the Audi e-tron quattro concept unveiling at the IAA 2015 in Frankfurt.

Audi is step-by-step releasing more details on the upcoming 500 kilometers (310 miles) electric SUV, although it’s still 3 years before series production scheduled for 2018, so don’t expect full specs just yet.

The lithium-ion battery pack with cells from LG Chem & Samsung SDI will be positioned between the axles and below the passenger compartment to achieve low center of gravity, balanced axle load distribution, as well as better driving dynamics and driving safety.

The official press release confirms a three motor setup – 2 for the rear wheels like in the Audi R8 e-tron, and a single motor for the front axle for AWD.

e-tron quattro concept’s 0.25 cd is claimed to be a record in the SUV segment. On the sketches we see a full OLED interface.

“The Audi e-tron quattro concept is designed from the ground up as an electric car and proves to be pioneering in its segment at the very first glance. It follows the Audi “Aerosthetics” concept, combining technical measures for reducing aerodynamic drag with creative design solutions. Movable aerodynamic elements at the front, on the sides and at the rear improve the air flow around the car. The aerodynamically optimized underbody is completely closed. With a cd value of 0.25, the car sets a new record in the SUV segment. This contributes considerably to the long range of more than 500 kilometers (310 miles).

The study is based on the second-generation modular longitudinal platform, which provides considerable scope for the drive system and package. Its length is between that of the Audi Q5 and the Q7. Its typical SUV body and flat, coupe-like cabin give the Audi e-tron quattro concept a very dynamic appearance. The spacious interior offers room for four people.”

Audi e-tron quattro concept – Exterior Sketch

Audi e-tron quattro concept – Exterior Sketch

Audi e-tron quattro concept – Exterior Sketch

Audi e-tron quattro concept – Exterior Sketch

Audi e-tron quattro concept – Exterior Sketch

Audi e-tron quattro concept – Exterior Sketch

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52 Comments on "Audi Releases Details On 310-Mile All-Electric SUV"

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philip d

310 miles on NEDC not EPA. The Tesla S90D gets a NEDC range of 328 miles. On the EPA cycle the Tesla S90D gets a 270 mile range so the Audi will probably have an EPA range of around 250 miles.

GeorgeS

Thx for that info I was wondering about that. This sounds like a very interesting offering. I was tempted to say that it will be more than the Tesla but Audi’s other plug in offering was fairly reasonable. I was shocked.

The field of offerings gets more and more interesting and with my lease done I’m back in the market. Very exciting.

You will probably need another 3+ year lease to wait for this, the post said 2018 scheduled production.

That seems really far out to be locking in specs like range.

Fool Cells

especially since Tesla has a car in production today which beats that range.

TomArt

+1

James

That’s good news, George. Glad to see you’re putting yourself back out there, my friend. So which site are you on? – EvHarmony.com?

L 🙂 L

Anton Wahlman

Audi did NOT say that it’s 310 miles on NDEC. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. But it did NOT say so in today’s press release. I asked a most Senior Audi official about it last November, and he told me to expect “at least around 300 miles on the US EPA cycle.” Perhaps he was wrong at the time, and perhaps things changed. But I think it’s more likely than not, that it’s 300-ish miles on the US EPA cycle. He said specifically that they “will not be under-sold against Tesla on range.”

What will the range on Model S/X be in 2018?

I think it unwise for them to use the range as the key spec they promote in the concept of this vehicle. That would only give Tesla a target to beat before they get it into showrooms.

pjwood1

Less range, AND materially zero fast charging, would look pretty bad.

Audi has yet to put its 17.3kwh Q7 on the American site, where other 2016’s have already shown up.

philip d

Could be. But usually when there is an international press release on a new EV prototype from a European automaker that reveals the range in km then it is more often than not that they are estimating range by the more more impressive sounding NEDC.

Cavaron

Hm, well – the German press release said 310 miles in “real world German Autobahn conditions”. They said it would go further than a Tesla (probably refering to a S85).

On a vaporware car, they can claim any range they like in any conditions.

I, for one, do not believe that Audi will have nearly DOUBLE the range of a Tesla (going down the autobahn at 100-120mph will probably only offer 150 miles range).

Pushmi-Pullyu

Great to see plans for more PEVs with more than 200 miles of range. Even though this is just a concept, it really feels like we’ve finally turned a corner. I’ve been getting really tired of announcements about new PHEVs with a wimpy real-world range of 25 miles or less.

jmollard

Great, this will give the Model X a good run for the money, only two years later. The Tesla superchargers put the e-tron quattro at a significant disadvantage though. I would wager even the Audi brand does not make up for that deficit. Audi is wise to introduce its first BEV in the premium SUV segment. It will give Tesla some real competition and sell well, much more prestige and utility than the Model S, for hopefully a comparable price.

CDAVIS

@jmollard said:
“The Tesla superchargers put the e-tron quattro at a significant disadvantage though. I would wager even the Audi brand does not make up for that deficit.”

Yup…that’s the big gotcha for Audi or any other car maker entering the EV market against Tesla. The Tesla Super Charger network will be substantially further built out in three years when this Audi SUV EV hits the market.

The question is what is Audi’s plan to overcome this significant competitive deficit?

Click on the 2016 Tab:
http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger

Tesla is only really 2 years into their SuperCharger network. So it is possible that Audi could duplicate that before this hits the market.

It does seem unlikely that they will have that level of commitment, since WV won’t go bankrupt if this SUV flops. Tesla however has to make each vehicle a runaway success to keep executing their plan.

If VW wants to do, they can easily finance the installation of 5000 Superchargers in Europe within 2 years.

CDAVIS

@Counter-Stike Cat said: “…they can…”
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“can” or “will”?

More than likely Audi at this time thinks the 310 miles (EPA ~250 miles) adequately addresses the EV “range anxiety” topic and therefore no need to invest in a Supercharger network.

In 3-4 years Audo will push out this very good (Audi Class) SUV EV; it may even be better built and at a lower price than the then available Tesla X. Much analysis and discuss will ensue at Audi as to why Tesla X is significantly outselling the Audi SUV EV. Only then….(maybe) will Audi think it needs to invest in a Supercharger network or partner-up with an existing network.

>>> Only then….(maybe) will Audi think it needs to invest in a Supercharger network or partner-up with an existing network. <<<<

Agree 100%, except that I predict the German government may pony up some serious cash for a build out in Germany of a Supercharger Plus network (whatever the Tesla spec is, plus some amount… maybe 150kW).

Much like CCS, the German government doesn't fund anything except German charging standards like CCS. No money for Tesla Superchargers, no money for CHAdeMO.

It would be even more odd if it was compatible with the existing CCS charge standard.

The last thing they will do is partner up with Tesla or CHAdeMO. CCS standard doesn't have enough power.

It goes without saying that I don’t see them trying to sell many of these, or many outside of EU.

arne-nl

CCS is not a fixed spec. We will see CCS 2.0, 3.0 etc. allowing higher charging power.

John in AA

They can also call spirits from the vasty deep.

Jelloslug

This car is at least 5 years away (if it ever comes out at all).

I’m going with “it will never physically show up”, much like Audi’s other “press release” offering.

Without a Supercharger network, any serious EV (not 80 mile commuter cars) is a joke.

Charging at CCS stations, may of which will be only 25kW, is almost insulting compared to current 135kW Superchargers, and likely even faster future Superchargers.

Maybe they will have “mobile refueling stations” as Toyota and Hyundai do for their Fuel Cell vehicles.

ffbj

Certainly within the realm of possibility that you are correct.

lithium

Wow seats 4 people! That’s as many as the Volt!

James

Good point! Isn’t the Model X suppose to seat 7 adults? If so this Audi is going to be quite a bit behind the Model X and not just in terms of release date. Add in superchargers and it really would be no contest, even if it was released at the same time. I suspect that Audi will do a deal with Tesla for supercharger access though, if they don’t, then they should definitely have their heads examined (or they just don’t really want it to be as successful as it could be).

They are going w/the cameras and no side mirrors on the concept. I’m not sure that law is going anywhere, anytime soon.

Do you know anything specific on that? Or just the lack of news around the law?

I can’t wait for the side mirrors to go away.

I don’t have any specific news, just years of people showing cameras on concept cars saying they are working on getting the laws changed, and auto-legislation moves like molasses.

Brian

Yup, I noticed that too. So much for their class-leading Cd…

RexxSee

More details…from a concept… I wont hold my breath.

Anderlan

Majors’ response to Tesla: “I’m pretty sure that maybe I think I’m going to seriously compete with Tesla in this space in the near term!”

Everyone’s reaction: “Don’t fool yourselves.”

“Okay, no, I’m not.”

Aaron

CDa of .25? Bulls–t. Especially with those hugely-wide tires. Why are they bothering to estimate the coefficient of drag on a concept vehicle? Oh yeah, it’s Audi. They love to talk about products that don’t exist.

No side mirrors and three sets of active aero surfaces, so a Cd (not CDa) of 0.25 could be possible. But it may only be at a specific speed (high Reynolds number).

I don’t work on car aero, but I have a feeling that tire width has little impact on Cd. It would have a large impact on rolling resistance which would fall into another Drag bucket for vehicle efficiency. Tire diameter, due to the spinning surface on the vehicle side, might have a bigger impact on Cd.

Aaron

Tire width has a HUGE impact on drag, as does the wheels. Why do you think all the cars in the solar car challenges and fuel efficiency challenges use super narrow tires with completely flush wheel covers?

Even Tesla makes mention that the performance tires decreases range. Both because they’re not LRR tires, but also because they’re wider.

Both the i-MiEV and the i3 use very narrow (and in the case of the i3, tall) tires. It’s for aerodynamic efficiency.

Even without side mirrors (which typically is around 1 sq. ft. of frontal area), this car appears to be quite massive. Frontal area is one of the keys of aero, and one of the reasons today’s cars aren’t as good as yesterday’s.

Look how much larger and taller our cars have become. It’s partially customer preference, partially crash structures, and partially pedestrian impact standards. These standards make the vehicles tall to prevent heads from impacting car hoods so severely, all the while negatively affecting aero (and fuel usage and pollution), effectively killing more people than it saves. Yes, really.

Cd (quoted here) is non-dimentional and does not account for the frontal area you are talking about.

My point the width of the wheels, say an extra 30 mm, does not cause as much extra separation zone as losing side mirrors would. In addition, the air traveling under the vehicle is likely at a lower velocity than the air passing the mirrors.

But like I said above, I have never done any work on auto aero. If you have wind tunnel testing references, I would be happy to read them.

arne-nl

Cd is for the complete vehicle. Tyres are by necessicy, not optimised for aerodynamic performance and they have a large impact on Cd relative to their contribution to frontal area. So yes, wider tyres increase Cd.

Marc

Don’t forget total drag is Cd times frontal drag area, which is expected to be very large indeed for any SUV.

Loboc

I won’t need a new car for quite some time. Like 5 years or more. So, a 2019 or 2020 would be about right.

By then, I hope to be in a BEV Caddy. We’ll see how that plays out.

Anon

This 4 seater sounds like their version of BMW’s i3, but with more range. *shrugs*

Lou Grinzo

Audi has a higher ratio of promised to delivered fun times than my high school girlfriend. That is definitely not a good thing…

Anon

+1

Ouch, but true. 🙂

Speculawyer

Tesla has got to love it when people are copying cars that they haven’t even released yet. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Anon

Haven’t heard anything official from Elon or Tesla, regarding a couple of Chinese Model S Clones, yet…

PVH

A SUV should seat more than 4 people, part from this I often read here that Audi do not deliver on their promises, is this only because they once decided to cancel the R8 e-tron in the past or are there other similar cases.

John in AA

Well, they’ve been promising the A3 PHEV for years and years now and slipped it many times. Finally looks like they MIGHT deliver, but nobody on this side of the pond has one yet, and at this point the only proof I’ll accept is an actual, delivered car.

James

It looks good on paper. Model X competitor. Will they build it?

My guess is they’ll closely monitor Model X and use their size and might to put it on the fast track if the X succeeds in the marketplace.

TomArt

Well, if their decision-makers’ spines have any calcium in them at all, they will go ahead and get it to market – with “normal” doors, they’ll be picking up plenty of current/potential Tesla customers/fans who don’t want the Falcon doors.

TomArt

I don’t think that the Falcon doors will end up being *that big* of a deal. The whole point of those doors is to dramatically improve access to the 3rd row seating. That is something that all existing 3rd-row vehicles I’ve ever seen severely lack.

The Model X is going for anyone, but particularly for the suburban market (large SUVs and minivans) where the roof is never used and getting kids and/or aging grandparents into and out of the car is an almost daily hurdle.

Of course, I just realized that this Audi won’t even have a 3rd row of seating! Wow…for the foreseeable future, Tesla will have the only EV with 3rd row seating (not counting the rear-facing child seats in the Model S).

arne-nl

Sad, they are desperately trying to “steal Tesla’s thunder” with vaporware.