Audi E-Tron GT Versus Tesla Model S: By The Numbers


Battle of the electric sports sedans!

The Audi e-tron GT  might be seen as a warning shot across the bow of any and all who would offer the world an all-electric sports sedan. That small, select group includes the Tesla Model S, the Fisker EMotion, and the Porsche Taycan, the corporate cousin with which it shares a platform. Since only the Tesla is in production, and its exterior dimensions are extremely similar, we’ll take an early look at how it stacks up against this freshly revealed concept.

The two share a number of features: four doors, dual motors for all-wheel-drive, and a sporty level of performance. But, they also have distinct differences. The Audi puts the accent firmly on the first word in “sports sedan,” while the California car puts it on the latter. For clarity’s sake, we’re going to use the Model S 75D variant as we believe it is the most likely version to be cross-shopped with the e-tron GT.

To begin, let’s talk range. The Audi will have a 90-kWh battery and is said to return 400 km (248.5 miles) under the WLTP regime. The Model S, with only a 75-kWh pack, is rated for 416.8 km (259 miles) using the EPA test, which is thought to be more realistic than the European system. Range-wise, then, the Tesla has an advantage of at least 10.5 miles, and probably a bit more.

Charging times, another key metric by which electric vehicles are judged, is an area that it is difficult to be concise about. For DC fast charging, the way most people would prefer to charge while away from home, Tesla doesn’t publish a specific number, saying only that the Model S can recharge “170 miles in 30 minutes.” Unfortunately, this figure may only apply to the 100D variant.

On the plus side, new Model S customers can still fast charge for free the company’s vast Supercharger network *(for six months, after that, they’ll be subject to Tesla’s extremely competitive pricing) if they purchased their car using a referral code. Another thing to keep in mind is that by the time the first deliveries of the e-tron GT occur in early 2021, both the Model S battery and the Supercharger network may be somewhat improved.

The Audi e-tron GT is said to be able to charge to 80 percent from empty in 20 minutes. Of course, most will not roll up to a charging station completely empty, and the rate at which it will accept energy after the 80-percent level is unknown.  This, then, should be considered a rough guide. One positive note, though: charging networks for non-Tesla vehicles should be much better developed in two years time given the effort being put into the Ionity charging network in Europe and Electrify America system in the U.S.

For home charging, the two are quite close, but with an interesting difference. The Tesla comes with an 11.5 kW onboard AC charger which would be plugged into a Tesla Wall Connector. The Audi features 11 kW wireless charging, which would be extremely convenient: just park over the charging pad and the charging just happens.

Audi e-tron GT concept

Now to the fun part — performance. The e-tron GT here has a clear edge. It is said to scoot from 0-to-60 miles per hour in 3.5 seconds and tops out at 149 mph (240 kph). This particular Tesla, can “only” manage to accelerate to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds and offers a “mere” 140-mph top speed.

Not only that, but the German automaker claims its Grand Turismo can continue to perform at its peak without having to make concessions. This is a direct shot at Tesla. Its full-size sedan famously cuts back power after a period of hard usage to protect itself. Advantage Audi.

When it comes to handling, we can not perfectly judge the two, but we have to believe the Audi would come out on top here as well. The Tesla comports itself pretty well through the twisties, but the e-tron will have both torque vectoring and four-wheel-steering. We think these factors will help it straighten the curves impressively and make it quicker around a track than the Model S.

Audi e-tron GT concept

One area the Tesla Model S has a clear advantage is seating capacity. It can comfortably fit five, and has a set of optional jump seats in the rear for children that have outgrown their car seats, but are still not adult size. It also has a clear edge when it comes to holding cargo. Though both have similarly-sized frunks (front trunks), the Model S has a hatchback rear which opens up to accept and hold large objects. With the rear seats folded down, it is a moving-day monster.

The e-tron, on the other hand, may only comfortably accommodate four on trips of any length — it remains to be seen how the rear seating will handle a fifth passenger. And, though its traditional trunk arrangement might be spacious enough for most usage, it can’t rise to the occasional enthusiastic trip to Ikea like its competitor can.

Tesla Model S

Inside a Tesla Model S

When it comes to making a decision between the two, the outcome will be determined by the specific needs and desires of the buyer. The Tesla Model S offers classic styling with great useability. It’s is constantly being improved via software (for free) through over-the-air updates, which is a huge bonus. It also has a great optional advanced driver assistance system (ADAS) in Autopilot.

The Audi e-tron GT puts the emphasis on performance. Though it may be toned down somewhat in the translation to production, it will no doubt still be capable of making a splashy entrance. We also have to believe it will be a great driving car, ready to plaster a smile across the face of a driver after pulling away from a traffic light or making their way up a twisted mountain road.

For ourselves, we’re happy to see another all-electric sedan on its way. Competition is good for both companies and consumers and the success of this newcomer puts another nail in the coffin of internal combustion.

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Looks really nice but it all means nothing. You can buy the Tesla right now!

Not the one described above with free supercharging and two seats in the trunk ^^

Yes, well only 6 months free supercharging if using referral code; and you are correct that rear-facing child jump seats option is gone.

The seats are still available off-menu as per Tesla today.

Yes, you can. It is called pre-owned. They have hundreds right now for sale on the web page, almost every single one with free supercharging. It stays with the car for the car’s life.

I’ve added to the text to reflect that the current Supercharger access for new owners is 6 months.

Yea and where did they get the Model S with a cloth roof???

It must mean *something* at least!

It’ll mean something to those who are looking into getting a premium EV within the next 2 to 3 years.

Well… Nice to have a real versus imaginary, unicorn, fantasy pre production concept stats compare with some dream spice added. Why don’t we wait to see a drivable measurable car before we beat up a wonderful currently available supercar. Just because some of you have seen or owned Teslas for years now and are bored, looking for the next hot thing rather than enjoying what we can today we get breathless praise for the unicorn. Love my Model X!

Indeed. Tesla will likely have an upgraded drive train for the X and S by the time this Audi GT is available too. Then some real comparisons can be made taking into account production capacity as well.

You could apply this logic to the new Tesla roadster, but people still compare it to any performance orientated cars as if it’s already in production when it’s not.

Tesla already makes performance electric cars so when they announce something you can believe it.
So far VW group has done nothing but make announcements and tell lies. Like the one about them being the dominant electric car manufacturer in 2018.

Tesla is moving further ahead.

Audi has a hump on the floor in the back. WTF

Good catch!

That might be a glare!

Because the Audi’s battery pack has cutouts for the passengers’ feet to minimize the high knee Tesla rear seating position, the hump might cover part of the battery pack where passengers’ feet won’t be.

That’s an interesting possibility!

There is no “high knee Tesla rear seating position” have you sat in a Model S?

The ample legroom surprises the majority of people who ride in the back seat of mine.

Has a high knee position

You’re confusing the ‘high knee’ syndrome with the Model 3 vice the Model S. The rear seat in the Model S has leg room for days and doesn’t ‘high knee’ at all.

It looks like curved shadows is causing that optical illusion.
You would have to believe the rear carpet is two-toned (2 different shades) to believe there is a hump.

Look at the photo below that one, showing the interior — with the camera on the right side of the car. No hump; and the rear carpet is a consistent shade.

It is just curved shadows, no matter how many people gave you a thumbs-up.

Typical Audi, that is why I never and will never buy Audi. When it’s not the driveshaft, it’s the battery pack that indrude into the living space.

Exactly. Totally unacceptable in this age of skateboard architecture, pioneered in 2012 by Tesla. Even Rivian doesn’t have a hump at the floor of the back seat. In 2021, Audi’s car will have a hump in the rear floor? Stupid

Rivian have designed a truck and a proper SUV. You’ll struggle to find any of those type of vehicle with a hump, EV or ICE.

Photo below the one that you looked at (which had curved shadows) shows no sign of a hump in the back. When there are no shadows, the hump magically disappears. Two dimensional representations sometimes lead to false interpretations.

Look at the black and white checkered image below. There is no actual hole. It was just drawn on a flat surface.

The curved shadows are giving a false impression of a hump (if one thinks there is a hump). Look and the e-tron photo and think of the floor being flat with curved shadows on each. Or look at the e-tron photo below the so-called “hump” photo and tell me where the hump went, when no shadows are present.

I seriously doubt that there is a hump there.
The “hump” is magically gone in the photo below the one that you looked at.
It seems that without curved shadows, there is no appearance of a hump.
Look at the photo again that you saw, and imagine the floor being flat with curved shadows on each side.

Photos are of course 2-dimensional, while real world is 3-dimensional, so with some photos, there can be different ways to interpret them.

I’ve seen 4 different write-ups on this E-tron GT, no one that was there at the LA Auto Show and wrote about mentioned anything about a hump in the rear.
A hump would be a strange peculiarity for a purpose-built all-electric vehicle, yet no one mentions it. And the hump is not seen in the photo below the one that you looked at.

Enjoy your first mover advantage while it lasts Tesla. LA has shown you that it’s about to end.

This imminent “ending” has been predicted for years though…

Wouldn’t count on it. Audi has announced a car that seems to compete well (better in some aspects, worse in others) with the current gen Model S. Problem is it won’t be produced until “late” 2020 so realistically it is 3 years away from any meaningful deliveries. What will the Model S look like in 3 years? Certainly much better than today.

From the lack of info, Musk’s “no refresh” comments, and software downgrades, I am beginning to wonder about the future for Model S. This article only begins to hint at its utility. I would ride the “never gonna get here” parade, about Audi, but am still kicking myself over having driven an I-Pace this week.

There’s no software “downgrades” – there are changes, some of which people think are improvements, and others prefer the old way. If there’s enough negative feedback, they will improve it further.

I do not know about the refresh issue – you’d think that they’d get the 2170s and better cooling at some point. As far as exterior styling, the Model S is a sharp car. After 8 years since it began production, it still turns heads and is very sleek with a subtlely aggressive appearance. It does seem to be very well designed and should remain popular for a long time.

Even BMWs don’t look that much different – the lines change a little, and the tail lights and daytime running lights have been tweaked, but there’s no second-guessing what is a BMW from 30 years ago to today. I don’t see Tesla doing anything significantly different, particularly since it would likely screw up the impressive aerodynamics.

IMHO this audi/porsche pair really compete with the model 3 D and performance long range. The model 3 doesn’t have the luxury touches audi will have but it matches in performance and interior space (though the outside is smaller). By the time they come to market tesla will lose its federal tax credit. Its good that audi/porsche/vw group are joining the ev revolution.

I doubt the price of this Audi will be at model 3 level. It will be at Model S/X range I think. However more choice is great! And Audi do make good sporty driving cars. We will see when it comes out. Tesla is also always improving so who knows what they are doing in 3 years. But as you say, good to have more contenders. Now we need Renault to make some affordable EV’s just as the Fiat group and Ford needs to pick it up too. More choice for us the better.

The top of the line Model 3 Performance ($60k) costs almost as much as the Tesla S75D ($65k). The Model S is just much bigger with more cargo volume. The Audi is smaller.

Since the Audi is smaller than the Model S and only seats 4 it should be compared with the Model 3 Performance. Basically this article picked the most favorable comparison for the Audi by picking the slowest Tesla in the ballpark range of price then implies that the Audi is the winner because it is quicker with a higher top end.

If the criteria is performance and range then pick the slightly cheaper Model 3 Performance and it will equal the Audi in performance and passenger and cargo capacity and beat it handily in range and efficiency. If the criteria is luxury, technology and highway cruising then pick the Model S which has more passenger and cargo capacity than the Audi and has Autopilot plus more range and is more efficient.

If the criteria is looks and the other metrics don’t matter at all then I would pick the Audi and I’m a Model 3 owner.

The Audi exterior dimensions are within an inch of the Model S. The Model 3 is a good bit smaller.

The only winner I declared was the companies and customers who benefit from competition.

2 years, not 3.

rotf lmao …… 🙂 🙂 🙂 :0 🙂 🙂

Yeah. Just so ridiculous, as in subject to ridicule, which is what I am now doing.

Stay in yo lane, “F150 Brian.”

Other Tesla Killer of the 100 imaginary VW cars.

I look forward to the day when Tesla gets some real competition in the BEV market.

But comparing the actual production Model S to a mere concept car from Audi… doesn’t qualify.

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We need to get F150 Brian a T-shirt that reads “Seven Teslas in one stroke”. 😉


Right, this would have been much better if they compared the e-tron to the roadster II. Both going to be out about the same time. Both have about the same utility as far as I can tell.
Although Tesla already given plenty of test rides in Roadster but Audi hasn’t given anything yet.

Yeah, with a 90kwh battery pack that is inferior to a 3 year old, first generation 75kwh from the early mover Tesla.

This article says it will come out in early 2021.

Tesla will have sold 300,000 more Model S by then, and millions of Model 3. Supercharger sites will be like gas stations.

How expensive will the Audi be?

What sort of luxury interior will the refreshed Model S have by 2021? Nobody knows. Bit silly to be saying in 2018 that Audi is ahead.

How does the E Tron compare to the Model 3 Performance?

In 0-60 it’s a bit slower 3.5 v 3.2,. Probably comparable in other areas.

It’s a prototype, and it’s a VW.

Professional car reviews have been recording official times of even 3.1, and with track mode and the improved pack cooling, etc., it handles the track like the current Model S never could.

Tom that is nothing but exciting!

I was referring to the Model 3. Sorry if that was confusing.

The Model 3 Performance should have an edge in a straight line. On a track, they should be pretty competitive with each other. We should get some idea after the Porsche Taycan (which is basically the same car) starts deliveries next year.

I’m wondering why a comparison is made between a car that’s already been in production against a pseudo car that’s not yet produced……..

We do this all the time. Just yesterday we compared the new Rivian R1S SUV to the Tesla Model X. It helps answer people’s questions and paints a picture. People request these types of detailed comparisons, and they take a great deal of time to produce. If you don’t like them, you don’t have to read them, but they’re definitely something that we’re proud of and will continue to provide for our readers.

I Don’t really mind the factual comparison… It is the winner loser opinions of reality vs fantasy… Fantasy always seems to win… Magically. Cheers. Really generally like the site. Still love my Model X!

Thank you!

I’ll add my thanks for doing these. The people complaining don’t seem to mind every time they see a magazine review say “the Model 3 starts at only $35K”…

Same-o, same-o.

But the comparisons help those of us on the sidelines understand what’s coming in the next couple of years.

Just because you do it all the time doesn’t mean you should. The Audi compares closest to a 2016 Model S P90d.

You don’t know the price (among other things), so that’s a guess as much as the article.

Yeah. I used to love comparing the upcoming 3G Android phones to the first iPhone. Apple was clearly screwed.

They are comparing it to a non-production car, because a decade after Tesla first showed off the Model S in car shows in 2009, there STILL aren’t any production sedans on the market to compete with the Model S in the same class.

You have to compare it to something to get an idea where it may sit in the market. If Tesla announced a super mini tomorrow would you compare it to a Renault Zoe or would you get upset and insist that nobody should compare it to anything because it’s not in production yet?

Very well said. These people need to chill out. This is getting rather ridiculous, really!

I assume you complained on all the articles comparing the $35,000 Model 3 to existing EVs over the last couple years, too?

Rear jump seats for Tesla were discontinued in 2015…

They were just discontinued a few weeks ago, and are still available “off menu” if you ask.

I confirmed with Tesla that the jump seats are still available off menu.

The Audi will lose voltage over time, like any other EV. It might take an hour to be as bad as an ICE, but the lack of repeatability is the nature of the beast, unless they gimp it.

The Audi looks great. Don’t forget to consider fast charging options. It’s Easy to say it will charge in 20 minutes but where are there any chargers near you capable of such performance. Likely there are none. Look at your most common long drives and you probably won’t see anywhere to fast charge the Audi. Then compare the Tesla charging network. Unless you intend a car to be only for in town diving you need to look at what is available for fast charging on road trips. I am sure the Audi is great. Buying an electric car requires research into more than just the specs. Look at how and where you intend to use it. I’m sure eventually this won’t be an issue but it is today. The article fails to address this issue.

Agreed. But, as we’ve said many times before, the article is comparing the two vehicles, not charging infrastructure. You make very good points and I’m not discounting that. I’m simply saying that it’s a vehicle comparo, vehicles specs, etc. We could go on and on for days about infrastructure, but that’s not the topic of this article. I appreciate the fact that you mention that it depends on how an owner intends to use it. That is something that we also continue to preach, but some people don’t mention that. Every buyer has different priorities.

Fastcharging ac/dc and above all the CCS stations are growing very fast here in Europe. Those are pretty comparable with Tesla’s fast charging. CCS has the potential to be even faster with new updates. Even Tesla will put CCS in favour of their own charging in the Model 3 when it’s going on to be on the road here.
Most cars have far more range than the majority drives on a day so no issues there.
by 2020 Ionity will have a HPC (350KW) network similar sized as Teslas’ SC-network is now in Europe. So it will big enough when this car releases 😉
Also will the Tesla M3 get a CCS Port in Europe, which let me expect, that the SC-network in Europe will get CCS ports as well soon. Probably same time when upgrading the SC to v3.

Surprise surprise, a Tesla fan using the same FUD used 5 years ago against Tesla, but against another manufacturer. Funny the way they twist things when they feel threatened.

The article is about the car, not the charging network, and as you say in a few years (when this car is released) this will be less of an issue.

That’s 2-3 years away. Will there still be a Model S 75D? Will it’s performance not have improved? Why not compare to the P100D as you don’t know the price of the Audi? Far too much conjecture.

My expectation is that in 2+ years time, Tesla will at least refresh the Model S battery and motors. I can expect the “not a track car” issue to disappear, they obviously can produce a track car with the Model III performance. Until existing other EV manufacturers push their battery suppliers on anything other than price, Tesla will continue to have the edge on gravimetric charge density.

I love how they chose the entry level Model S and failed to mention the price of either car. Typically the first concept unveiled by any manufacturer is a top-of-the line version of the car, just as was the Model S concept. No manufacturer “unveils” a base model concept… it defies logic. Therefore, off the bat, the metrics of this comparison seem fatally flawed. Further, this article was written in an attempt to compare sports sedans. The author makes it a point to call out Tesla for firmly being a sedan, as opposed to the Audi, which the author contends is more representative of a sports car. This logic is flawed, as the 75D is not Tesla’s sports sedan. Rather, its merely their base sedan. The P100D is Tesla’s sports sedan. The fact that Tesla’s base model can be compared to Audi’s high-end concept is actually impressive. Now, let’s compare Tesla’s true sports sedan, the P100D, versus the imaginary Audi. It wouldn’t even be a competition. The P100D has over 300 miles of range, does 0-60 in 2.5 seconds, fits 5 comfortably, is the safest car ever built, and has Autopilot. Heck, let’s pretend that this unicorn concept “only” costs… Read more »

lets not overlook pricing, it’ll be interesting to see the difference between the two!

Bravo! Thanks for pointing out that the comparisons in this article are rather skewed, and make the Audi concept look more competitive than it appears to be… at least on paper.

Suuuure… The top of the line Audi will have cloth seats….

Oh God, I hope so! Leather seats are gross. Cold and slippery in the winter, hot and sticky in the summer. I’d rather have velour. Speaking of which, when’s velour going to make a comeback?

About the same time bell bottoms and lava lamps make a come back

Actually, bell bottoms have come back for women – not ubiquitously, but you can buy them at trendy clothing outlets. Lava lamps have also had a relatively recent resurgence. You can buy those fairly easily, as well.

But I’m afraid your point is correct. I agree with Davek, I hate leather seats, but that’s what “everyone” wants, so that’s what we have to put up with.

I have noticed that perforated leather seats are much more tolerable for me, and being ventilated or actively cooled helps significantly (as does heating in the winter).

Thanks for taking the time to say everything I was thinking.

I went with the 75D because it was closest to what we believe the price will be. The Porsche Taycan, which uses this same platform is thought to be between $65,700 and $85,000. The base 75D is $78,000, so should be right in that neighborhood. i had strongly considered using the 100D, but started at $98,000, it seemed significantly higher than what we believe this Audi would start at. Plus, the range is somewhat similar. If I had more time, I would have also mentioned the Tesla offers much better efficiency, which is an important factors to many EV buyers. In any case, this is just an exercise to sort of see how the Audi might stack up against what we have now. Despite being similar sizes, the Tesla is a bit of a different car. The Model S is also a moving target, and I’m confident that by the time early 2021 rolls around, it will be even more compelling in every aspect, including acceleration, charging, and handling. (well, if it gets the 2170 cell-based battery pack, which will help it lose a lot of weight and accept a faster charge, at least) Here’s a link to the piece… Read more »

Previews on prices are completely worthless as long you cannot enter your configuration into an order system.

The iPace went up by some 25% percent from „will cost“ to the real pricelist. And then you have tons of options to add on top.
(And this here in the country where the car is built.)

OK, why would the charge rate be limited to a P1000D? The charge rate is pretty much the same across the Tesla board and is controlled by the car’s monitoring/ charging system. Here is what it comes down to. Tesla has 1147 superchargers within the US and that number grows weekly. No other automaker is building infrastructure right now. So while Audi will most likely need to rely on third party companies for power Tesla owners not charge at any Tesla supercharger or at any third party charging station. It’s sad that news organizations can pass off poor information when a simple Google search would get them the data they need.

Yeah, that supercharger count just will not show up in North Dakota. I do think they put a lot of Supercharger work on hold during Q3 as money was tight to show profitability.

P1000D, now that’s where it get’s interesting…

Tesla’s 100-kWh batteries will accept a higher rate rate for longer than the 75-kWh battery.

Tesla’s Supercharer network is definitely better than any other network out there. If you click on the links to Ionity or Electrify America in the article, though, you’lll find posts discussing their funding, backers, and ambitions. It remains to be seen exactly have comparable they’ll be to the Supercharger network, but they should be rather extensive in a relatively short time.

Audi as well as other legacy automakers needs to do a lot more than designing a gorgeous car like the e-tron sedan. Start with improving the efficiency and real range of say 300 miles EPA, serious charging network so that owners can take their car wherever they want to go. Then add OTA updates so that customers don’t have to go back to the dealers whenever there is a need for a software update. Finally, make it in meaningful production numbers in the hundreds of thousands and promote the hell out of their products like they always do with their ICE vehicles.

I guess what they need to do is to follow Tesla’s strategy and in effect help Musk fulfill his Master Plan.

Once Audi or any other legacy automaker show real intention to get off the fossil fuel, I will be glad to support them.

Charging is not a real issue with in Europe where CCS fast charging stations are growing really, fast.
But you are correct that Tesla does many things very good like the OTA updates. The routeplanning for longer trips that gives you charging stops and times. Really handy. I hope Audi gets that together ass well so more choice for us.

Audi’s dream concept car vs one of the lower line model S versions? Sure that’s apples to apples. Couldn’t even go 90kw vs 90kw? Much less compare a “sports” model against a non-performance model. Kind of silly.

As I ‘ve mentioned in other comments, I went with the Model S 75D because it should be the closest in price and has almost exactly the same exterior dimensions.

Audi will have starting price comparable to Model S75.

Then they will nickel and dime you for everything. AWD? 7.5K more. 8 shades of interior, each priced at 4000$, GPS 2500$, … entertainment system 2300$ ….. By the time you spec it to make it comparable to S75, you would be north of 125K.

Why are you comparing the p100d or one of the other performance model S’s? Also I see no price comparison.

The Model S shares almost exactly the same exterior dimensions, and our best information on price (see linked post) says it is most closely matched to the 75D. Obviously, higher spec Model S are much quicker in a straight line.

Audi’s fake grill is fugly as hell.

You are comparing the ETron GT to the wrong car, compare it to the Model 3 performance version and the model 3 beats it in every way and you can buy the Model 3PD+ today instead of waiting 3 years for the Audi.

There’s no way someone who’s looking at a high performance (probably very expensive) electric audi is also looking at the BASE trim Model S. Compare to the 90 and 100 D trims and you’ll have my attention. Lol… By the numbers…

The Model S is 2015! Compare it to newer models!

They can’t, it’ll make the Audi look bad.

I have 2 teslas, model s and x. I’m beyond frustrated with the superchargers. 2 years ago I used to be in and out of the stations in 20 minutes. Now if I’m lucky with no lines, it takes me 40 minutes. The charging rate is nowhere near as advertised when the stations are full. Service is a joke. The service center nest me is over worked and simply can’t keep up. It all went to shiiite when model 3 came out. Selling 5000 units per week is not so good when tesla doesn’t have the backend infrastructure to handle that volume. Sadly I’m selling my X and going back to a gas car for now.

“wireless charging.. convenient: just park over the charging pad and the charging just happens”
Except for the fact that there are no wireless charging stations to be found. It’s hard enough trying to find a fast charger with the right plug on it, much less a wireless one.

Plus you lose a good percentage of charging with these wireless charges.

Losses are small.. and I could not care less – as long as it is automatic and wireless.
Being easy is more important for me.

The system BMW uses is 85% efficient. In the lab we are seeing as high as 97%.

How perfectly do the coils have to be aligned? Do they have some sort of active adjustments for the coils on the car and/or the ground? Will the car take over and self-drive when pulling into a parking spot with a charger?

They have to be pretty close. I didn’t read anything about the car driving itself over the pad, but it I would imagine the car would signal when it’s aligned.

Wireless chargers are a new product and feature in EVs. I saw a manufacturer test 3 different wireless chargers 2? years ago. One was a bolt on model . . that is basically boltet to the road surface and add about 5-7cm of hight. The other was partially in the ground with power cable and stuff fully covered. It was adding about 1-2cm of height. The third one was under the asfalt, fully covered and was only noticable by a charge symbol on the parking space. They have a charger at a winter testing ground too, and it works. This is not rocket science, and there will be MANY suppliers that will manufacture these systems. They are cheap to make, they are cheap to install and they don’t take up space and can be fully covered. I would find if wery hard to imagine a Tesla Model Y without a wireless charger of some kind. Just park the car, and it will charge. Would be perfect outside public buildings, grocery stores and businesses. It’s basically a wire coil with control electronics and with or without a transaction control system. Give it some time, until someone have reverse engineered a model… Read more »

Agree, would love to see wireless chargers really become a standard thing for all EVs, at least L2. No action needed by the user, just park over it. Make all the authentication automatic and wireless, so it just works automatically. Since there is no post or cords needed, much less likely to be damaged, run over, dropped and broken, etc. I can forsee places with post mounted L2 chargers replacing them with wireless pads. Hopefully within 10 years.

It’s for your garage or driveway. They already exist and are likely to become a fundamental component of most countries charging infrastructures.

What’s the plug bit about? Why do you need to find a plug when it’s wireless?

Early 2021.

Just sayin.

audi fake grill reminds me of the first iteration Model S.
It just does not make sense.

Of course this is easy for Porsche.

Specs (mainly the range) are a bit disappointing for a 2021 car.
But it looks amazing!

Agree. Other OEMs have trouble achieving similar efficiency to Tesla’s drivetrains.

Wow Audio sure is loud. Skewed art never sells unless you’re on the North Pole waiting for Santa’s toys! Or you’re an A fan…..everybody understood this is a fantasy article. Tesla kicks it and it’s on the road full time so turn down the Audio for a couple ears!

Ugh. Why with the stupid tiny trunk? Didn’t they listen to any of the blowback the TM3 got? And unlike the Tesla, the Audi has a big crossbeam at the top of the rear windscreen that would easily hide hinges… Disappointed. Waiting for the wagon. And my lottery winnings.

It’s a GT.. the key design rule it to fit a bag of stupid golf clubs .. right. It’s not made to be a family car.

There are a number of good points here, both in the article and in comments. The important thing is that Audi is actually serious about putting out a compelling luxury BEV sedan. Sure, it will probably handle better than the current Model S, and it will most likely have more luxury appointments on the interior that some folks will prefer, but the Model S series leaves the Audi in the dust with acceleration and efficiency.

As far as the future of the S and X, I forget if Musk ever said that the existing architecture had enough room for the 2170s, but I would hope that, regardless, they would also get the superior cooling of the Model 3 (or even a better cooling arrangement by 2021!). Handling is going to be limited by the physics of the situation – it’s a big car – even the Audi will only be able to do incrementally better, at most.

As a current (somewhat reluctant) Audi driver, I am sure the e-tron will be a good car. But I for one will never knowingly deal with criminals. The i-Pace looks pretty good, but my next car will be a Tesla.

Comparing these two cars by numbers is pointless since Audi’s figures are not real. For example 0-100 km/h value is 2.8 according to some website close to germain manufacturers.

The quality of the Audi will be leaps and bounds above Tesla. Not to mention the dealer service departments availability.

Regarding this sentence — “On the plus side, Model S customers can still fast charge for free at the company’s vast Supercharger network if they purchased their car using a referral code” —
currently, new Model S buyers only get 6 months of supercharging.

Regarding this sentence — “It can comfortably fit five, and has a set of optional jump seats in the rear for children that have outgrown their car seats.”

Rear-facing Child seats option is gone — according to electrek November 10th article about Tesla Model S and X options. Don’t see them on Tesla website either, so author is using old information.

I confirmed with Tesla that the jump seats are still available, though “off-menu.”


Given the storage capacity (Model S is in a completely different class here), the Performance Model 3 would make a better comparison. You’d then end up with the same 0-60 time as the Audi at an even lower price.

I notice how very neatly you completely bypassed the one issue that makes the Audi fall flat on its face compared to the Tesla ie the lack of a rapid charging infrastructure. It’s all well and good saying it’ll charge from 0-80% SOC in 20 minutes (which I take with a HUGE grain of salt in the first place) but if there simply *are no* charging points capable of matching even Tesla’s existing (theoretical) 125kW-capable Supercharger network out there for it to use, let alone the *much* more powerful versions that would be needed for a 20 minute charge for the Audi (ie *at least* 3 x 90kW – *270kW*!!) then the whole idea is rather moot – and thus, this very serious issue completely undermines the credibility of this article and, therefore by association, that of InsideEVs.

It’s a review of the car, not the worlds various charging infrastructures. If every review had to explain the intricacies and nuances of the worlds charging networks they’d be pretty repetitive and boring. Manufactures aren’t responsible for charging networks any more than they are responsible for fuel stations. You’re also using the same FUD that was used against Tesla 5 years ago, which you probably defended against back then. Note that the article states early 2021, that’s two years of growth time for the networks.

I like Audi but technically it seems the Audi is not a “Tesla killer”. The 75D has more range, the 100D a higher top speed and the P100D 1 second faster acceleration! The e-tron can’t even match the P85D’s acceleration… but yes, it’ll have a higher quality fit and finish and more luxury.

BY the time this car is in production TESLA will have a refresh in their MODEL X and S………… from 18650 to 2170 will have more range probably 400-600 mile range………… and many more…………

Unless the wheels falls off completely of Tesla. There is a great risk of it by the end of Q1/19.

AUDI e-tron IS JUST A CONCEPT. in real world i’d like to verify those numbers. what about price?

I think it’s a little dubious to compare a concept car from Audi to the lower-end Model S. I would assume that the Audi would have a price tag more similar to one of the higher perfoming Tesla’s, in which case the numbers would pretty much all go to Tesla. Then again, I’m being presumptuous about the Audi price, so I suppose it’s comparing a production car to a concept car that’s the real peculiarity here.

“The Audi e-tron GT is the electric car we wish BMW would make”
The Audi e-tron GT Concept is a Audi A7 with steroids, sportier.
BMW just has to create a sportier BMW 8 Gran Coupe EV

Tesla S… we will have to wait and see the next Tesla S.

In terms of aesthetics, it’s like comparing the 2010 Audi A7 with Audi e-tron GT.
If the 2012 Telsa S was better looking than the 2010 Audi A7, the Tesla Fans just have to hope that the next Tesla S will be better looking than the road version of the Audi e-tron GT

That’s a matter of taste. I really like them both, but the vastly superior efficiency and cleaner, streamlined interior of the Model S is my preference, given the choice.

It would be more accurate to say the e-tron GT is a Porsche Taycan in Audi clothing.

There is no longer free super charging for new buyer’s. Only a discount. FYI.

Not impressed by the cloth seats of the Audi Etron.. Tesla seats are are sublime.

My earlier post was inaccurate. Currently, with referral Tesla buyers will receive 6 mos. free super charging.

In case you have not heard, Fisker is dead. Look it up.

Looks more like a Panamera, than like the A7. Still nice.

The obvious question is, how much are they going to produce?

Ah, finally the german carmakers are very into EVs. Despite a huge majority of germans is very reluctant. Doesn’t matter;-)

You forgot the Audi can recover up to 30 percent of it’s charge battery through regenerative braking

It’s called driving downhill. Nothing special.

Comparing the Audi with the bottom-of-the-range Tesla Model S clearly indicates that the Audi can’t beat the top of the range!!!

The Audi looks like it has hardly any rear legroom. (even for the two rear passengers)

The will definitely be aiming this at non-family drivers… hence the sport talk.

Funny that the Model S has more legroom, more seats, and more storage capacity, but will still outperform these guys at the track and on the road.

No doubts Audi has a lot of experience with rally and other forms of sports cars over the years. But this powertrain simply doesn’t have competitive power. It’s their first generation car and they need to get it under their belt in order to get to the improvements.

Currently, the Model S, even the P100D, does not have the cooling needed to be a real stock, street-legal track vehicle. (the Model P3D with Track Mode, however, fixes that).

The i-Pace, and probably the Taycan (and maybe the e-tron GT), have the current Model Ses beat on the track, but not in a straight line. The P100D is still the clear winner at 2.5s to 60mph and quarter-mile under 11s.

Of course, by the time the Porsche and Audi are being delivered to customers, the Model S and X will be adopting the Model 3 style pack architecture (2170 cells and better cooling). So, who knows what capabilities the Model S will have by then?

I was beginning to wonder if InsideEV’s was a legitimate site of EV comparison, or, if it might be suspect. This article is confirming my suspicion.

The Audi GT is a 95kwh car, not 90kwh. Why did inside EV’s deliberately understate the kWh’s of the Audi battery?

Why is InsideEV’s putting the Audi Etron GT 95kWh(not 90) up against the 75 kWh Tesla 75D?- Which incidentally the Audi doesn’t compare to on range anyway (say no more).

The truth is that this Audi, which is not even available yet, is so far behind Tesla on performance metrics, it’s not funny.

The(not available for two years) Audi GT does not even compare with a Tesla model3 performance model(can buy now) with a smaller battery and the GT is pretending to be in the class of the Tesla modelS. I guess with articles like this(paid for probably) no one would be the wiser.

Guys(message to insideevs), if you want to be taken seriously, don’t produce fake news fluff pieces like this. Tell the truth even if it hurts your bottom line in the short term. In the long term, you will win.

In the meantime, punters reading articles here would do well to proceed with caution.

Hi Richard. I wrote the article and tried to be as accurate as possible. Concerning the e-tron GT battery, it is the same size as in the one in the Porsche Taycan, as it shares the same platform and drivetrain with that car. Here is the line from the official Audi press release which discusses it: “The required drive energy comes from a lithium-ion battery with an energy content of more than 90 kWh, which takes up the entire underfloor area between the front and rear axle with its flat design.” If the battery was as large as 95 kWh, we are confident that would have been reflected in the press materials. The ranges of the two are stated in the text above. The Model S has a superior range, despite a smaller battery, which indicates much better efficiency. We didn’t use the Model 3 Performance because it is a smaller vehicle, whereas the exterior dimensions of the e-tron GT and Model S are extremely close. They are both Gran Touring vehicles, with long wheelbases and Model 3, as great as it is, is something apart from that. The point of the article was just to judge this concept against… Read more »

Thanks for your considerate reply.

Any material published about VW vehicles needs to be examined with a long stick while holding the nose. You would need a hazmat suit and breathing apparatus to get close up on the truth of a VW vehicle.

Why? Because they have the biggest marketing and spin doctoring budget on the planet. They shower sites like this with junkets to ensure favorable press. Meanwhile, they spend a fortune on fighting government vehicle emission controls worldwide.

Be careful who you get in bed with!

Why would you compare a top of the line Audi with the bottom of the line Tesla and then say the performance is better in the Audi. My four year old Tesla model s will blow this Audi away and you can’t even buy the Audi for another three years. Where do you think Tesla will be in three years. It’s all just a dream for Porsche/Audi and a reality for Tesla.

We choose the Model S 75D as it’s most directly comparable in size and close to the expected price. Some aspects of the Audi were better, but other, very important metrics, were superior in the Tesla.

The winner here is the consumer.

The one thing I don’t get is how these legacy auto makers are designing (and building in the case of the Jag) an EV that is so inefficient. 240ish miles of range on a 90 kWh battery? It is not like GM puts a lot of emphasis on their EVs, but they have gotten much more efficient with every iteration and the mid-range M3 is 260 miles on low 60s kWh battery.

When the battery is the most expensive part of the car you would think that they would put some more design effort into maximizing its capabilities, especially when the car won’t be released for 2 years or more

I agree wholeheartedly with you; however, something just occurred to me. It is possible that some of that lost range compared to any of the Teslas could actually be more energy is going into the battery cooling. These newcomers all tout track capabilities, which is a jab at the MS P100D, which can’t go full-tilt for a full lap due to cooling limitations.

But then again, the Model 3 solves that problem, particularly the P3D with Track Mode, and Tesla still gets way more range per kWh than these German prototypes (and more than the production i-Pace, as well).

Yeah, the poor efficiency is a head-scratcher. You know these aren’t going to be cheap. I guess they are counting on their faster charging abilities, which they hope will be available by the time these cars go on sale.

Wow the Audi