Audi Admits V-10, W-12 Engines Likely Dead With Shift To Electrification


Audi e-tron Quattro

The V8 however, especially the diesel, is apparently here to stay.

Switching from Volvo where he served as senior vice president of R&D, Audi’s board member for technical development Peter Mertens sat down and had a chat with Automotive News about what the future holds for the four-ring company.

Needless to say, the electric push was the main topic, and he promised Audi will have three EVs on sale by 2020. We already know the identity of two, with the E-Tron crossover due next year set to be followed by the sleeker E-Tron Sportback in 2019.

The interview got even more interesting when the 56-year-old Audi official was asked about the company’s plan to axe up to 40 percent of its drive systems in the long run. He admitted some engine-gearbox combos will be eliminated, adding “entire engine families” might face the axe as well.

Audi A3 Sportback e-tron battery

In this day and age of downsizing, it comes as no surprise the most vulnerable engines are the biggest Audi has right now: the V10 in the R8 supercar and the mighty W12 reserved for the flagship A8. Peter Mertens rhetorically asked:

“Do we really need a V-10 and W-12 for the next generation of cars?”

While the future of these two engines seems to be uncertain, the smaller V8s – especially the TDI – will continue to exist for many years to come as Mertens can’t imagine a future without them:

“We have a very important group of customers that really wants eight-cylinder engines in larger vehicles. Will it exist forever? No, but [it will] for a rather long time.

While the diesel engine is here to stay for the time being at Audi, the same thing can’t be said about another premium marque part of the Volkswagen Group. Porsche is seriously taking into consideration dropping diesel engines after the end of the decade, so the next-gen Cayenne and Macan SUVs could be offered only with gasoline units, and augmented/extended range plug-in options.

Speaking of Porsche, the future is definitely electric as the Stuttgart-based marque has teamed up with Audi to work on a new Premium Platform Electric catering a wide variety of EVs. 60% of the total volume will consist of Audi cars, with Porsche taking the remaining 40%. Very few details are available at this point, but Mertens said focus will be on the segments where the A4 and A6 currently compete in.

You can read the full interview at the source link below to find out what Mertens had to say about level 4 autonomous driving and the Elaine concept shown last month at IAA.

Source: Automotive News

Category: Audi

16 responses to "Audi Admits V-10, W-12 Engines Likely Dead With Shift To Electrification"
  1. Gazz says:

    The Audi 2.4L V8 diesel is currently under recall for excessive NOx..

    1. L'amata says:

      OOOooops! they forgot to Fix the Computer….

  2. Get Real says:

    And guess what else laggard OEMs, we don’t rider horses anymore either.

  3. James says:

    The first of the dinosaurs to go extinct.

    Who needs 12 cylinders in a light duty car anyway?!

  4. unlucky says:

    I feel like turbos killed V10s and V12s (and W12s).

    A turbo/supercharged V8 is all the power a street car needs. Heck, if it weren’t for power war and the weight of cars with all the crash protection we have now then we’d not have anything above a turbo 6-cylinder.

  5. ffbj says:

    Diesel is dead, who’s is going to buy those defunct pollution belching tubs? China wants to ban as does Europe. They never sold in the U.S. in great numbers.

    Saying they’ll be around for many years is just ignoring the obvious. Atm there are half a million sitting on lots in Europe that can’t be sold.

    1. trololo says:

      Sadly, a lot of people love diesel car in Europe (incentives + cheaper fuel in some countries).
      In fact, Audi car buyer (VW in general) don’t seem to care about pollution.
      They seem more concerned about being able to drive as fast as they can, and about impressing people, since having a VW car is a sign of wealth.

      By saying that V8 is here for a long time, Audi is expressing a wish, a wish to sell ICE engines as long as they can, cause it is their milk cow.

      1. John Doe says:

        Normally European cars with a V6 or V8 was made for US and Gulf region export only. At least most of these engines where exported.

        You can see 10 years back in time, all the engines made for the US marked also had more power (and used more fuel) then the European engines.
        Even the tiny Smart car had another engine then the European version.

        A diesel engine has a lot less CO2 emission, then a gasoline engine. That is (one of the resons) why US cars was difficult to sell in Europe. Normally a heavy (thirsty) car with a huge gasoline engine was only sold in limmited numbers in Europe. So they introduced some 4 cylinder engines sold mostly for export.

        The European commitment to reduce carbon dioxide (greenhouse gas) emissions, high fuel prices (to make people drive less, and pollute less), and the higher efficency of a diesel engine (and high torque at low RPM) resulted in a small diesel engine being the best choise.
        Since a diesel engine works with a surplus of air, nitrogen oxides will be created in the combustion prosess.
        Since diesel use direct injection, particles are also formed. These are no good, and diesel cars now have filters to deal with this.
        I’d like to mention that gasoline engines with direct injections also makes a lot of particles, and will be requred to have a particle filter too.

        To reduce the nitrogen oxides engines are now fitted with an Ad Blue system.
        A diesel truck can now only be sold with an engine that complies to the Euro6 regulations – and that is good. A new Euro6 truck emmit less nitrogen oxides then a Euro6 passenger car. The trucks NOx reduction is actually so good that it will reduce the NOx in the air it sucks in.
        There is a HUGE difference in the level of pollution between a Euro3, Euro4, Euro5 and a Euro6 engine.
        In many (all?) cities in Norway buses have to be fitted with the lates engine spesifications to be allowed to transport passengers in the city.

        EV trucks and buses will soon handle a lot of the inner city transportation.

        Would just like to add another fact..
        The worlds meat consumption is to blame for 18% of the global emissions of greenhouse gases. That is more then the combined pollution from cars, trucks, buses and planes.
        Australia and the US is ranked as the meat eating nations in the world – about 26 times more then a country like India (due to hinduism/vegetatians and price of meat).
        So even it everybody in the US drove an EV, they would still polute more then many other countries (per capita).
        Chicken and pigs pollute less then cows.

        We were surpriced by the meat pollution situation.

        I’ve got no plan to become vegitarians, but we (my family) have reduced meat consumption by 25%. We also eat more chicken, then cow meat.
        Walking and biking has increased a lot, but we still drive a few km more then we walk and use the bikes. Next year that will change.
        We still own an ICE car, and will probably for the next 5 year. We’re getting a new EV in 2018 that will be used 95% of the time. Just like now.

        The moral of the story is we can not be smug even if we drive an EV – if we eat a lot of meat. A vegitarian with an ICE car will pollute less then us.

        Even a large dog is a sourse of pollution due to meat it eats.
        A German Shepard dog requires food that use 1,1 hektar (11 000m2 / or about the size of Trafalga Square) of space. It results in more Greenhouse gases then a Toyota Land Cruiser that drives 10 000km a year..
        A large dog eats (on average) 197kg meat a year and 95kg grain.
        so.. 4 large dogs eat more meat then 100 average Indians, and pollute like 100..

  6. CDAVIS says:

    It’s hard for me to imagine Audi surviving the transition to EV.

    The various Audi e-tron “concepts” if they were in production today would have a hard time competing with Tesla… that will be even more so when e-torn makes it into production a few years from now.

    1. L'amata says:

      If they ceased to exist , No one would miss them..

    2. trololo says:

      I would not bet on it. Not that I’m loving the brand, I’m smoking their fumes on a daily basis (no diesel gate here, no recall at all), but VW has a lot of cash, plus Qatar holding 24% of their shares.
      So they might be able to deal with the changes, like Microsoft dealt with their lack of vision about the Internet revolution: buying what they need to.

    3. Serial anti tesla troll thomas says:

      Competing with who? This company which can produce only 268 cars a month?
      I guess Tesla runs out of cash at same time as the etron arrives.

    4. John Doe says:

      They will release the first one in a few month. They will release a new EV every year.
      They have thousands of pre orders on their first EV, so they will have no problem.

      They should have been ready in 2016 – but started late, and decided to wait for rules and regulations.

  7. trololo says:

    A commercial that says a lot about Audi:

  8. bogdan says:

    Audi Admits It’s Likely Dead With Shift To Electrification

    That’s what happens when you ride a dead horse.

  9. JimGord says:

    Dinosaur Diesels are dead.
    Electrics are the only way forward

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