Atlis Pickup Truck Battery Charges In Under 13 Minutes

OCT 17 2018 BY MARK KANE 33

Atlis battery pack ready to charge in under a quarter of an hour.

Atlis Motor Vehicles, a startup founded in 2016 to develop XT electric pickup truck and XP electric vehicle platform, achieved its first milestone.

The company’s prototype battery pack was successfully tested at one of the EVgo fast chargers in Phoenix, taking a full charge in just 12 minutes, 35 seconds (the goal was for 15 minutes). The pack is fairly small – at around 3 kWh, but Atlis says that it’s fully scalable and ultimately will need ultra-fast chargers, which the company would like to introduce.

Atlis XT Pickup Truck at fast charging time

Atlis XT Pickup Truck

“This charge time of a vehicle battery in under 13 minutes is a first in the electric vehicle (EV) industry.“We have completed preliminary testing of our prototype battery pack with fast charging capabilities, and we’re proud to announce that we did better than expected. We beat our charge time by 2 minutes and 25 seconds by charging a 3 kWh pack to full in 12 minutes 35 seconds”, CEO Mark Hanchett stated. Atlis Motor Vehicles selected an EVgo Level 3 DC fast charging station in the Phoenix area as a test site. “This was the key to proving our technology – recharge times for batteries is still one of the largest obstacles to wider adoption of electric vehicles.”

The prototype battery is a lithium-ion cell with a unique cooling system for optimum temperature management. “Properly managing cell temperatures is still overlooked by many electric vehicle manufacturers but is one of the most critical components to battery performance and longevity. Ignoring temperature management, or just providing mild surface cooling of the cells is insufficient.” Hanchett added.

The battery pack is part of Atlis’ prototype design and is capable of scaling in size to meet their customer’s performance needs. The capacity of the test pack had to be kept low to ensure enough power was available from the Level 3 DC charging station. Next steps for the prototype pack is to integrate this design concept into Atlis Motor Vehicles’ XP platform currently in development.”

Atlis XT Pickup Truck

Atlis XT Pickup Truck

Atlis Motor Vehicles currently is trying to raise funds for development (info).

The ultimate goal is to begin production and sales of the all-electric XT pickup truck. We really like the design and hopefully, we will see some electric pickups on the roads in the near future.

The specs envision long-range and all-wheel drive powertrain:

  • Battery options for: 300 miles, 400 miles, or 500 miles (unloaded truck, with no cargo or trailer weights)
  • 15 minutes recharge capability
  • all-wheel drive, with 4 independent traction motors at each wheel, and single speed gear box per axle
  • 4-wheel independent suspension
  • 0 to 60 mph unloaded: Less than 5 seconds
  • 0 to 60 mph to max GCWR: Less than 18 seconds
  • Top speed: 120 mph
  • massive front-trunk storage space
  • advanced regenerative braking with dynamic load control

Atlis XT Pickup Truck

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33 Comments on "Atlis Pickup Truck Battery Charges In Under 13 Minutes"

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12 minutes, 35 seconds for a pack 3 kWh…..why are we talking about this?

“12 minutes, 35 seconds for a pack 3 kWh…..why are we talking about this?”

….that implies a C rate of a bit under 4.8. At that rate a 350 kW CCS charger can refill a 75 kWh battery in under 15 minutes. CATL’s EnerSpeedy line supposedly can support 4 and 5 C. Higher charge rates make smaller capacity batteries viable thereby reducing initial cost. It does beg the question though about the number of cycles it can handle at that rate.

I think he means it is no big deal and doesn’t scale easily either. First off my Volt Module can safely charge in just 6 minutes with 50% to spare with it’s 16C cells even after 5 yrs so it isn’t a big deal, not even keeping up if all the can do is c5 and brag about it.
We have done 5-10 minute charging foe decades in EV racing though we called it dump charging, dumping 500-1k amps in a pack was interesting at times. ;^)
Fact is by the time their EV comes out almost all EVs will have 15 minute charging stock. Cells are rarely the limit, it is the BoS and a charger large enough.

The capacity of the battery is irrelevant (if you have a powerful enough charger). It is more meaningful to talk about battery charging in terms of reaching a certain SoC, so 0-80% charge time.

Tesla understands this well, and is why the Model 3 Long Range is such a great car. The battery will charge at the same SoC rate as the base model, but since the battery is about 50% larger the car will also charge 50% faster (assuming similar tech battery and charger capable of the extra power). This is why the Model 3 LR is so good for highway travel. Efficient and fast charging.

The rub here is to charge an 80 kWh pack at 5C you need a 400 kWh charger. The amazing part is we are talking 0-100% charge time. Usually taper greatly restricts your last 10% or so. I do worry about battery longevity in this situation.

“The capacity of the test pack had to be kept low [3 kWh] to ensure enough power was available from the Level 3 DC charging station.”

🙄 🙄 🙄

My B.S. detector just exploded.

Heck, even an electric bicycle often has a battery pack as large as 1 kWh. It seems pretty obvious that the real reason why they used such a tiny battery pack is so they could give it some sort of special super-duper cooling system which would be utterly impractical for a larger mass-produced battery pack. Not to mention impractical for daily charging of an EV battery pack, which is expected to hold up to being cycled ~2000 times. Charging it as fast as they did here would very likely — IMHO almost certainly — lead to rapid premature aging.

But I guess the low-information, easily impressed reader will be impressed by this stunt. And that is all that this is: A stunt, and not a real achievement.

BTW — The term “Level 3 DC charging station” is outmoded, and is an indication that whoever wrote this press release knows very little about the state of the art of EVs.

Lets just say That This type of Fast charging is Not doing the Battery’s Longevity Any Favors …

“….The term “Level 3 DC charging station” is outmoded, and is an indication that whoever wrote this press release knows very little about the state of the art of EVs. discussion….”

Ha! The person who has the worst track record is criticizing this amongst many companies using L3 for fast charging. The SAE is the problem here with their continual goofy changing nomenclatures, not companies that use the ‘obsolete terminology’.

I suppose you never use Band-Aids ™ or Kleenex or Windex when you mean to use a generic term.

Poor Bill. He’s so very angry over the fact that someone (like me) who doesn’t even own an EV understands the tech and the state of the art so much better than he does!

And no, just like most people, I use the words “Band-Aid” and “Kleenex” rather than the generic but seldom used terms, because the trademarks are used by the general public as generic terms. “Aspirin” is another example. But the term “Level 3 charging” has fallen into disfavor, much like “horseless carriage”.

Once again, Bill, you demonstrate your disconnection from the real world.

You don’t own an EV? Your private life is just that, however such statements are most curious. Don’t feel obligated, but it does beg the question why you are so interested in EV’s for so long.

If he is a real person – a 64 year old who is not allowed to drive ANY car – he owns a decades old minivan supposedly – I really wish he’d get interested in something else. Unless his 96 year old mother banishes him still to ‘Mommie’s Basement’ and he has nothing else to do. As far as ‘being angry’ I’m never so, since I know how to Laugh. Its Pushi who is constantly mad at everyone – he apparently is only happy when he is insulting others, but Pushi is not unique there… My point is – calling L3 statements proof that ATLIS doesn’t know what they’re doing is just silly, since many other companies have done just that. When you call him on that FACT he just gets insulting – and his claim of knowing more about ev’s than someone who has had 5 in almost 8 years of driving ONLY ev’s (namely, me among others) is just nonsensical – especially since he isn’t conversant with the underlying technology. If you want real proof they don’t know what they’re doing – look at their 1000 kw charging in 5 minutes…. Nobody else – except supposedly a Tesla… Read more »

Wow- interesting about Pushi- I like you Bill have been driving Electric for 5 years. I own 2 BEVs. Anything I hear now I take with a grain of salt. Arm chair quarterbacks who think they know it all and have never played the game are the most irritating. What a wind bag this guy is.

“the real reason why they used such a tiny battery pack is so they could give it some sort of special super-duper cooling system which would be utterly impractica”

Have you done any hardware design? They are going to have to build and destroy a number of modules to define their performance characteristics and limits. You would generally work with the smallest capacity pack that is going to produce relevant results.

Sure, it makes sense to start battery pack development with a single module. But it’s almost certainly not true that they started that small because of the limits imposed by using a public EV charger, as they’re claiming. That’s pretty obviously B.S.

You missed the part where they said it was scalable? However, my concern is cost. How much will a 90 kWh pack cost and where is the nearly 500 kW charger to charge it that fast. Or 1 MW charger to charge a 200 kWh pack.

Cooling is not as easily scaled. Let’s hope pushmi-pullyu’s BS-o-meter hit a false positive here. Mine didn’t alarm like his did, but I know enough lazy, Agile engineers caught up in Sprints who have no eye for the bigger subjects, to at least spike a little on the same gauge.

There’s usually a reason why someone doesn’t mention cost, energy density or cycle life.

They did say it scaled, though. They still need to prove that, but it’s wrong to discount their claim out of hand and cry fraud.

Ok, so what kind of compromises had to be made in regards to things like cost and energy density in order to get this performance? This performance isn’t unheard of, but batteries are typically a combination of 3 characteristics: charge/discharge rate, energy density, and cost. Making major gains in one area typically requires compromises in the other two.

They didn’t necessarily sacrifice anything in cost or energy density. Most likely they’re just charging it as rapidly as possible without any regard to battery life, as a stunt… not a real achievement.

At least, that’s my guess. Unfortunately, this sort of stunt is seen all too often in small companies and startups. Anybody remember the German battery maker DBM, who made some wild claims for their Kolibri battery some years back? Turned out to be B.S., just like so many claims about breakthru battery tech by startups. And DBM wasn’t even a startup!

It’s a pretty cool trick to stand in front of a vehicle and have it’s lights reflection shine right through you.

SUVs can handle the size and weight of titanate batteries, 60 kWh could charge at 3C.

This company promised 5 minute charging for a HUGE battery system. They were talking about chargers over 1000 kw.

While Priusmaniac would have been happy – the rest of us would be skeptical that anyone could afford to do this as part of his daily routine.

A 3 kwh battery in triple the time ain’t exactly earth-shattering performance.

My DEFECTIVE laptop old-timer battery, which only holds 10 minutes worth of run-time now (near to being thrown in the recycle bin at best-buy) recharges FULLY in 2 minutes!

Where is my groundbreaking technology article?

There are NMC high discharge cells used in HEV or PHEV with small batteries can easily charge and discharge with 10C and above, however weight/volume are higher per capacity.

For electric buses ultra high power LTO-cells (double weight ratio per NMC capacity) can re-charge in 5 minutes.

So this press release of Altis seems just some PR stunt.

Who got paid at IE to publish this garbage? This false quick charge claim is actually slow as hell for even last years leaf if u do the math.

I do hope this current bs ad for more funding from atlis leads to this rig being built soon though. A couple common sense suggestions to make the offering more practical:
— Reduce the range options to just two…maybe two hundred n 400 mile ranges. So many trucks that organizations actually use for work never travel over 100 miles a day…200 miles would be plenty fromthem. And if this thing is going to quick charge so fast, why do u need more than 400 miles of range…even with a load?
—- limit top speed to 90 or 100mph…absolutely no need for rig this size to go any faster than that n lose so much more energy, range even faster. Oh and remember, speed kills on roads.

Let’s see if Tesla beats atlis to market with their pick up truck early next decade.

If Atlis is desperate enough to pull off a PR stunt like this, a stunt which they claim as a breakthrough but most probably isn’t, then that doesn’t give me much confidence that the company is going to produce anything real. From comments by others here, it seems pretty clear I’m not alone in that opinion.

It’s a good looking truck, but this 3kwh charging article is a joke.
Musk is working aggressively on a Tesla pickup…do you really want to go head to head with HIM?!?!?

I have no doubt whatsoever that every single person working at or for Atlis desperately hopes, in their wildest dreams, to be able to someday go head-to-head with Tesla.

But if they’re resorting to this kind of stunt, then that seems rather unlikely to happen.

Oooooooooooooooh! 15 kW charge rate. What a crock.

At least the artwork is honest about the ridiculous infrastructure needed for DC fast charging.

Sarcasm only works if you actually have a point to make.

Nice that they have done this. At least proves that they are going beyond the PR renderings and doing some actual engineering.

But the value of this test fully depends on whether it is a scalable solution. Won’t the the enhanced cooling system not become too heavy? Is the energy density high enough? Will the battery be able to do this 100’s of times without degradation? Can you mass-produce it cost-effectively?

Exactly correct. 5C rate from a real world charger is impressive and they claim it scales, which is encouraging. The missing specs are not so encouraging.

Haw mach cost, Wen delivery.

Everyone is always so skeptical. Im sure everyone kept saying the same thing when tesla first started off at about $19 bucks a share. Now its sitting at over $250. There is no harm if you have a spare$203 laying around to throw it at this. If it hits, good. If it doesnt, whatever. But you are just showing you rear when you sit there a bash these guys, or those throwing a spare couple hundred bucks at this. If it isnt your cup of tea, or you dont have the spare change to throw at it then take your opinion, fold it until its nothing more than a really tiny thought and shove it back where it came from and keep it moving. let everyone else take their chances.