Angry Much? “AutoExpert” In Australia Has An Axe To Grind With The Holden Volt – video

3 years ago by Jay Cole 30

AutoExpert in Australia has some strong feelings about the Holden/Chevrolet Volt, and they aren’t afraid to air it all out in one big, hot mess.

Holden Volt Going For A Spin In Australia

Holden Volt Going For A Spin In Australia

The jumping off point for “Auto Expert” John Cadogan?

The Volt recall from March that fixed a problem where the gas engine could turn on in an enclosed space if the car was left on and unattended for a prolonged period.

Truth is, recalls happen a lot, and while this issue could have had some serious repercussions if a particular chain of events occurred in set sequence to cause carbon monoxide poisoning before it was caught, it did not.  All 64,000-odd 2011-2013 US Volt owners have managed to survive unharmed.

And for this fellow to go off in Australia months later, where just around 160 2012/2013 Holden Volts were sold (and no future model is coming), it seems like he was just looking for any excuse to have a little rant against “green” vehicles and General Motors down under.

And despite Mr. Cadogan’s suggestion that used Holden Volt owners everywhere in Australia are in grave risk of Carbon Monoxide poisoning because they are unaware of the recall, we think GM is more than able to track down all 160-odd cars just the same.

Hat tip to offib!

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30 responses to "Angry Much? “AutoExpert” In Australia Has An Axe To Grind With The Holden Volt – video"

  1. ClarksonCote says:

    This whole scenario remains hilarious to me. There are numerous accounts of people not being able to hear normal cars running in their garage either.

    It seems like we should recall all vehicles and remove their engines.

    Hey Mr. Cadogan, perhaps you should sell your oil stocks and embrace the plug-in revolution. Just sayin’

    1. vdiv says:

      “It seems like we should recall all vehicles and remove their engines.”

      Yes, exactly, we should! For all kinds of other reasons too! 🙂

    2. Speculawyer says:

      Yeah, I like this idea of recalling ICE cars. They do kill lots of people with CO poisoning every year.

      1. LusTuCCC says:

        SMOG does kill millions, so yeah, it would be awesome to remove all ICE from the roads.

  2. ggpa says:

    How about Prius? There are literally millions of them, and I assume they have the same problem. Is Toyota planning a recall as well?

  3. Bill Howland says:

    Well, he did say over 200 were sold.

    But he’s overstating the case a bit. The holden Volt is a substantially safe car overall; besides its perfectly conceivable someone with a gasoline propulsion car would forget to turn off the car because they are deaf and didn’t hear the engine running, or got distracted.

    If we can all agree that all motor vehicles are potentially dangerous, and that more than the usual care is required to safely operate them and shut them off, I think in this case we can ‘leave Holden, Chevrolet, Vauxhill, Opel, and GM Harmless’.

    To me, its a much larger issue that GM to date HAS NOT addressed:

    If you remote start the car, and the temp in the attached garage is 26 degrees fahrenheit or less (such as around here the entire months of January and February), unknown to you the engine WILL START. The later volts solve this problem, but me, there’s nothing I can do about it, except, now that I know it is doing it, I’m aware of it.

    But its one more silly example of the car thinking its smarter than me, when all I’m trying to do is preheat the car without using excess gasoline.

    And there is no recall on this situation, but there should be, and I dare say they’d get more fatalities out of this probem than people leaving the blue button on. but the thing times out after at most 30 minutes anyway. That unchangable feature saved GM’s bacon in this instance.

    1. ModernMarvelFan says:

      “If you remote start the car, and the temp in the attached garage is 26 degrees fahrenheit or less (such as around here the entire months of January and February),”

      Is that still the case when your car is plugged in?

      My garage is never that cold and my Volt is always plugged in… So, I don’t know for sure.

      In addition, even if the engine is on, it should shut off after about 0.02 gallons of gas burned to warm up the coolant…

      1. John says:

        Not sure about other years, but on my 2013 there is an option to disable the gas motor for pre-conditioning the cabin…

        1. Thomas J. Thias says:

          Gawd, I hate the fact that google will forever link me to this #antiEVZombie Video above but here it goes.

          GM Legal, now forever diligent for product exposure had seen numerous cases reported of keyless start cars, regardless of make, industry wide, being left on in garage’s.

          Not so often to happen in a 100% gasoline machine, but more likely to happen with one of the many hybrids available today with keyless start/stop.

          First, let me state this for all of you.

          MY 2011 and 2012 Chevy Volt EREV’s:

          Remote Started while plugged in or not in temperatures 25 degrees or lower the Gas Generator will run and will consume roughly 2/10th of a gallon of gas and then shut off.

          This is called Cabin Assisted Heating or ERDTT (Explained Below)

          Even with the allowed 2nd remote start, maybe a second 2/10th of a gallon but maybe not as the now warmed core temp may not need it.

          May not really be enough exhaust build up to be of concern? Be advised.

          MY 2013-2015 as mentioned below there is an opt out for, “Engine Running When Plugged In” Enable This opt out.

          There is also an Engine Running Due To Temperature (ERDTT) Opt in to just 15 degrees(Very Cold Temps) rather then the 35 degrees default of the MY 2013 to 2015. Enable this at once.

          The GM, Chevy Volt EREV recall, the first ever in almost 100,000 builds addressed another concern.

          Back to the 100% gas cars and hybrids with Push Button Start.

          If I have a Lexus Hybrid and pull into my garage and forget to turn it off by pushing the start button, the tiny traction battery will deplete quickly and there will be an engine start.

          Because of the size of this battery the gas motor can run and run and run.

          Case Point-

          “Toyota sued in carbon monoxide tragedy that killed 79-year-old lawyer”

          “[…]The keyless feature on a Lexus sedan may be a nifty selling point, but a new lawsuit claims it’s also a killer.

          The ignition system is being blamed for a Queens carbon monoxide poisoning case that left a 79-year-old lawyer dead and his female companion brain-damaged.

          The night of Feb. 27, 2009, Mary Rivera parked the luxury car in a ground-floor garage attached to the couple’s home in Whitestone and accidentally left the engine running.{…]”

          Link Goes To Story – Daily News-

          http://www.nydailynews.com/news/toyota-sued-carbon-monoxide-tragedy-killed-79-year-old-lawyer-article-1.452799#ixzz14b3EWWzMir

          Keyless Mercedes linked to carbon monoxide poisoning in West Boca, authorities say”

          “[…]March 16, 2012|By Alexia Campbell, Sun Sentinel

          Investigators now believe it was a Mercedes — found in the garage of a home west of Boca Raton — that pumped carbon monoxide into the house, killing two people in their bed earlier this month.

          The car has a keyless-ignition system, police say.{…]”

          Link Goes To Story – Sun Sentinel-

          http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-03-16/news/fl-carbon-monoxide-cars-20120313_1_carbon-monoxide-keyless-ignition-keyless-systems

          “Hazards of Keyless Car Ignitions: Are They Too Dangerous?”

          “[…]They are designed to simplify the driving experience: Push a button rather than turn a key.

          But recent fatalities, including this past weekend in Boca Raton, Fla., in which drivers left the car running and died of carbon monoxide poisoning, have highlighted whether keyless-ignition cars are safe.

          Adele and Mort Victor were found dead in their bedroom. Their keyless-ignition car has now been impounded by police. […]”

          Link Goes To ABC News-

          http://abcnews.go.com/US/hazards-keyless-car-ignitions-dangerous/story?id=15874018

          Summary: The Chevrolet Volt EREV with its massive 16.4 to 17.2 kWh Traction Battery has been left on for days by many owners, accidentally or, intentionally to power a home.

          Typically, once the lower SOC (State Of Charge) has been achieved the gas generator will run for a short period of time, little longer then the ERDTT time to bring back up a bit the SOC and then power down. This power down can last for hours on end without a exterior draw off the battery thus giving the are a time to vent.

          This is how many of us have powered our homes after a power black-out, but that is another article later.

          Bet you never heard about the industry wide Keyless Start concerns, nope, only the recall action by the over cautious Legal Department at GM.

          This recall will bring MY Chevy Volt EREV’s standing Idle run time to a limited 150 minutes, The same that is now in place on all MY 2014 – 2015 Volt EREV’s since new.

          Word on The Street is that GM is the car to buy due to its now famous, legacy product safety diligence.

          You tube video makers such as your featured entertainment today live for views of their content.

          I see that the YouTube watch count has jumped to 858, sadly, through you posting this formerly off the radar, trash here, Jay.

          To bad.

          Best-

          Thomas J. Thias

          517-749-0532

          Publisher:

          https://twitter.com/AmazingChevVolt

    2. Doug says:

      Bill I believe the volt when remote stared will shutdown after 10 minutes by design, right?

      1. Bill Howland says:

        Reply to all:

        Yes, even while plugged – in.

        THe 2011 volt has one advantage over the other volts: NICE SPEAKERS/ with a bose system.

        THe 2013 volts are superior in every other way: more info on the screens, more choices. more all electric range, and you can choose when the engine starts.

        Unfortunately, I have none of those choices, I can’t even get more than 3 hp from the drive when I’m stuck in the snow since I can’t turn the traction control off!!.

        But yes, after 2 remote starts you have to go to the vehicle to restart it. So that one fact is saving GM’s bacon, since the engine is *NOT* running for hours, at least.

    3. Just_Chris says:

      I have lived in Melbourne Australia for 5 years, never seen sub zero deg C temperatures, not once. There are part of Australia where they do get sub zero temperatures but really they are few and far between.

  4. kdawg says:

    Is this the Australian Neal Cavuto?

    1. M Hovis says:

      +1

    2. Speculawyer says:

      He’s worse. Cavuto just said the Volt would cause a divorce, this guy says the Volt will kill your spouse.

  5. kalle says:

    what if you forgot to turn off a “normal” petrol car in your garage? it would kill you quicker then

  6. Bill Howland says:

    Ugh, the website deleted a long post of mine again.

    This is somewhat a ‘grasping at straws’.. All cars are Serious Machines and are dangerous in the absolute sense. It takes a serious, intelligent person to use one, or, it SHOULD.

    Unless the AutoExpert gets compensated for mentioning Korean and Japanese brands. The brands he likes are good cars, but they are not flawless.

    A bigger problem in my view is the Remote Start Issue with the 2011 volt. A customer would have no idea that remote starting his Volt to preheat it using no gas would use ONLY the engine in January or February.

    GM’s let off the hook since the thing times out in 30 minutes maximum (2 rem starts).

    But its just another case of the irritating feature of the car thats been programmed to be smarter than the guy who was smart enough to pay for it in the first place.

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Hey Bill,

      Sorry your original comment got eaten by the spam filter…I went back and fished it out (see above).

      Sorry about that…anything/if that happens again, just put up a little note that it didn’t appear and we’ll bring it back to life within a couple minutes.

      No need to try and re-write/remember the whole thing, (=

      1. LusTuCCC says:

        If you use Chrome on a PC, there is a little extension called “Lazarus” that will (not always alas) retreive lost texts

  7. pantarei says:

    This is my second favorite car related youtube channnel after alexonautos. It’s always interesting to see how the same cars are perceived in different markets.

  8. EVer says:

    *Mr Mackey Voice* Uh oh Retard Alert…. RETARD ALERT!!

    1. Speculawyer says:

      I think ‘bogan’ is the word for him.

  9. Mike777 says:

    Long winded = boring.
    If you can’t tell me in 3 minutes, you don’t know video.

  10. Greg says:

    Funny how it’s the ICE components of the car that are dangerous and this guy is pro oil. After all it is the burning of fossil fuels that causes the danger. If the car was fully electric (or fully green) there’d be no issue.

  11. Lensman says:

    It really astonishes me that there has been so much attention given to this potential for a problem which will only occur in a very unusual set of circumstances. And even then, it’s only dangerous if the garage isn’t vented properly.

    No one has been injured or killed by this potential problem. We should focus attention on real dangers, such as car fires. More people die in the U.S. in car fires than apartment fires. In 2004 there were 266,000 car fires. I dunno if PHEVs like the Volt have proven to be safer in that regard, but BEVs certainly have.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Autos/story?id=1207557&

    1. LusTuCCC says:

      GO LENSMAN! 🙂

  12. Martin T says:

    Wow talk about one sided….

    Bet he would be the first to complain if the A/C cut out when the he went shopping and the battery depleted.
    So dear old Grandma and pet dog would bake to death in the hot Australian Sun.

    Most ICE engines are quite and with push button start it would be easy to leave those running as well.

    I see this as no win situation for car manufactures as we have to mummy state care every idiotic possibility.

    For the Complexity of the Volt – it is one extremely very reliable car, the opposite portrayed here.

    Depreciation on expensive car is bad in Australia, granted worse for all electrics as our society is so averse to the new unless it is a smart phone or TV.

    Seems this guy really has an issue with GM, I do too, but not to the extent to label every GM model a failure.

    Drive a Mazda 6 and then drive a VF Australian made Commodore, you would like the Australian one as a much better more comfortable drive hands down.

    I was wondering when people in Australia are going to start hating on the Volt and 72Km in summer is a few KM’s.

    Basically we are society of morons I hate to say. Fellow Australians are unable to see in to the future, much less desire it.

    Guess I will continue to enjoy my refined Volt ride @ 0.5L/100km and give my one finger salute to Australian motoring journalist still stuck in their historic past antique contraptions afraid of the unknown.

  13. Raymondjram says:

    All these “push button engine start” issue will be solved if the vehicle will continue to sense for the fob while the engine is running. If it isn’t detected due to the driver leaving the vecinity, the engine will power off and stay off until the fob reappears and is pressed. Simple program add-on! I don’t have this problem because my GM cars need the ignition key (old school).

    1. piratefan2 says:

      There’s at least one problem with this suggestion…what happens if the battery in the remote dies while you are driving?

  14. Steve says:

    So he’s mad that the car isn’t idiot resistant enough? Poor smart people probably thought nobody is going to be stupid enough to do this… Well they’re smart enough to realize they underestimated the idiots and are fixing it.