All Tesla Vehicles In Production Are Now Equipped With Full Self-Driving Hardware, Model 3 Will Be Too

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Don't Call It Autopilot 2.0

Don’t Call It Autopilot 2.0…

After a week-long media tweet storm foreshadowing an “unexpected by most” product unveiling, and hinting about Tesla Model 3 news, Tesla and Elon Musk have taken the wraps off its latest product unveiling on Wednesday night.

New Autopilot suite of 8 cameras standard on upcoming Model 3

New Autopilot suite of 8 cameras standard on upcoming Model 3

And its full self-driving hardware?

We have to say, while the full self-driving hardware being installed on today’s Teslas is a nice addition to the lineup…it is still a bit of a letdown.  Moving on.

Tesla notes the current Model S and Model X vehicles in produciton, as well as the upcoming Model 3, are outfitted with forward facing radareight surround cameras with 250 meters of range give a 360 degree field of vision, as well as twelve ultrasonic sensors, with a onboard computer with “more than 40 times the computing power of the previous generation”.

The new Tesla Vision package enables for full self driving capabilities at a “safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver.”

Newly equipped hardware to enable future Level 5 autonomy - like this new side camera

Newly equipped hardware to enable future Level 5 autonomy – like this new side camera

Tesla’s Elon Musk says the added equipment will allow for full level 5 autonomy at some point (although you can buy it today – details below), and this upgrade which added the 360 degree field of vision is a step further than the company had originally planned with Autopilot 2.0.  For now Level 3 arrives soon, with 4 and then ultimately 5 by 2018.

Elon Musk added during the Q&A with the media after the announcement, “It will take us some time to complete the validation of the software and get regulatory approval but the important thing is that the foundation is laid (for full autonomous driving).”

As for the new processing power, some ~12 trillion operations per second, the Tesla CEO declares, “It is basically a supercomputer in a car”.

Also of interest:  Listen to full after announcement Q&A – audio found the event in its entirety found below

Tesla "Coast to Coast" autonomous trip planned for next year...including Supercharging stops!

Tesla “Coast to Coast” (part 2) autonomous trip planned for next year…including Supercharging stops!

Musk further adds that he hopes to have fully autonomous test drives next year – and not just around the block on a closed course type of thing, but a full coast-to-coast adventure!

“Our goal is, and I feel pretty good about this goal, that we’ll be able to do a demonstration drive of full autonomy all the way from LA to New York, from home in LA to let’s say dropping you off in Time Square in New York, and then having the car go park itself, by the end of next year,” Musk said on the call (via Techcrunch), “Without the need for a single touch, including the charger.”

Tesla's new self driving hardware/360 degree vision to allow for Level 5 autonomy

Tesla’s new self driving hardware/360 degree vision to allow for Level 5 autonomy

As for the cars already made, apparently called “Hardware 1” cars internally (wasn’t there something about employees not to use catch-phrases at Tesla before?), those vehicles will still benefit from future software updates and fleet learning, but will always be limited by the “fundamental hardware” inside.

A look at some of the new hardware: side door pillar camera

A look at some of the new hardware: side door pillar camera

And as one might expect when carefully listening to the wording from the company, being ‘fully equipped’ does not mean standard and operational.

Tesla’s website/order configurator has already been updated, and “Enhanced Autopilot” adds $5,000 to the cost ($6,000 after delivery) – up from $3,000 earlier.   And the promise of “Full Self-Driving Capability” in the future (without a date due to regulatory issues) adds another $3,000 ($4,000 after delivery).

The cost of enhanced Autopilot today, and fully autonomous driving in the future

The cost of enhanced Autopilot today, and fully autonomous driving in the future (click to enlarge)

On ride sharing:  We should note if you are thinking this new autonomous driving/Level 5 operation would make for some sweet revenue over a private ride-sharing program (or Uber/Lyft).  Well, Tesla wants a piece of that action, via its (as-of-yet unannounced) Tesla Network.

On the online order configurator today, the company already has a disclaimer in place:

“Please also note that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year.”

Update: From the Q & A after the release (via CNBC), Musk also had some words for the media about the amount of coverage for Autopilot crashes, that he notes pale in comparison to number of other accidents (Musk quotes ~1.2 million) caused by human error every year.

The safety track record of autonomous vehicles are likely to stay a hot topic for quite some time, despite Tesla CEO Elon Musk's call to report on them less

The safety track record of autonomous vehicles are likely to stay a popular for quite some time, despite Tesla CEO Elon Musk’s recent request for the media to report on them less

As for the “degree of media coverage of autopilot crashes, which is virtually none…does not reflect well on the media”, while putting future deaths on highways squarely in the hands of journalists.

“Writing an article that’s negative, you’re effectively dissuading people from using autonomous vehicles, you’re killing people”

To be fair, everyday human error accidents in automobiles are not news because humans driving cars aren’t a new thing, and no one really has questions on how safe (or not safe) the roads are with a human behind the wheel at this point.

We imagine at the dawn of the automotive age, more than a few articles where published on those first serious incidents.

Likewise with autonomous driving, once the public has a good grasp on what the safety level self-driving cars are achieving vs human operation, news on subsequent and future autonomous accidents will also receive the same level of non-attention as those of human-error events.  But for now, those percentages are not yet known…so interest is high.

Elon Musk also closed the event by saying/tweeting that the company “will post video of a Tesla navigating a complex urban environment shortly. That was what took the extra couple of days”.  

Update (October 20th, 2019 – 2:33 AM): Somewhat ironically,it took over 6 hours after the event (and now actually a ‘day later’ on both the East and West coasts), for that video to surface…but now it has, and here it is.

To make use of a camera suite this powerful, the new hardware introduces an entirely new and powerful set of vision processing tools developed by Tesla. Built on a deep neural network, Tesla Vision deconstructs the car's environment at greater levels of reliability than those achievable with classical vision processing techniques.

To make use of a camera suite this powerful, the new hardware introduces an entirely new and powerful set of vision processing tools developed by Tesla. Built on a deep neural network, Tesla Vision deconstructs the car’s environment at greater levels of reliability than those achievable with classical vision processing techniques.

Enhanced Autopilot Abilities

Enhanced Autopilot Abilities

A look at the original Autopilot system

A look at the original Autopilot system

Here is Tesla’s press blast:

All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

New hardware now standard on new Tesla vehicles

New hardware now standard on new Tesla vehicles

Self-driving vehicles will play a crucial role in improving transportation safety and accelerating the world’s transition to a sustainable future. Full autonomy will enable a Tesla to be substantially safer than a human driver, lower the financial cost of transportation for those who own a car and provide low-cost on-demand mobility for those who do not.

We are excited to announce that, as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. Eight surround cameras provide 360 degree visibility around the car at up to 250 meters of range. Twelve updated ultrasonic sensors complement this vision, allowing for detection of both hard and soft objects at nearly twice the distance of the prior system. A forward-facing radar with enhanced processing provides additional data about the world on a redundant wavelength, capable of seeing through heavy rain, fog, dust and even the car ahead.

To make sense of all of this data, a new onboard computer with more than 40 times the computing power of the previous generation runs the new Tesla-developed neural net for vision, sonar and radar processing software. Together, this system provides a view of the world that a driver alone cannot access, seeing in every direction simultaneously and on wavelengths that go far beyond the human senses.

Model S and Model X vehicles with this new hardware are already in production, and customers can purchase one today.

Before activating the features enabled by the new hardware, we will further calibrate the system using millions of miles of real-world driving to ensure significant improvements to safety and convenience. While this is occurring, Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control. As these features are robustly validated we will enable them over-the-air, together with a rapidly expanding set of entirely new features. As always, our over-the-air software updates will keep customers at the forefront of technology and continue to make every Tesla, including those equipped with first-generation Autopilot and earlier cars, more capable over time.

Check out more details on all the features and specs at Tesla’s new enhanced Autopilot page here.

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122 responses to "All Tesla Vehicles In Production Are Now Equipped With Full Self-Driving Hardware, Model 3 Will Be Too"

  1. cmina says:

    I don’t get why this announcement needed to be delayed ..
    Are they going to do a live test anytime soon .. like tomorrow ?

    1. AlphaEdge says:

      Yeah, I was looking everywhere for what I expected was to be live streamed.

      Strange about the delay. I guess, they wanted to make sure the wording was correct.

      Inclusion in Model 3 is incredible!

      Tesla has just set the bar for everyone to follow.

      40 times increase in processing is amazing!

      1. Adam says:

        Yes, let’s hope some of that processing power can be used for letting the touch screen run as smoothly as a 400$ iPad.

        1. Jay Cole says:

          Musk closed the Q&A/tweeted saying the delay was to produce a video of a Tesla vehicle impressing us in a complex urban environment…which (perhaps ironically) still wasn’t ready with the other press material initially.

          1. ffbj says:

            Color me impressed.

          2. Josh Bryant says:

            They probably video taped it yesterday, and Musk has been breathing down the neck of the whatever poor video production team had to put it together.

            I am sure he rejected their first 10 edits.

            1. Jay Cole says:

              It’s not a real Tesla event until it drags out into the wee hours of the morning…

              1. Josh says:

                No kidding…

                Looks like I gave up about 10 minutes before the video was finally posted.

                Video is pretty good, but speeding it up made some of the vehicle maneuvers seem more crisp. Things like searching for parking looked like it was creeping along. It will probably be better once the software is actual ready for release.

    2. Waiting says:

      So I am going to have to pay for equipment on my car that I do not want, and will never use?? So my $35,000 car could cost maybe $30,000 or less without all the autonomous equipment that I DO NOT WANT!! I love Tesla, but this is a lousy way to make people pay for an option that they/I will never activate!

  2. Alaa says:

    So a $35,000 car will drive by itself. That is a feature that all brands will envy.

    1. JustWilliamPDX says:

      I’m with you. But don’t lose any sleep over it. While full autonomy may be just around the corner, I don’t see human control being banned any time soon. ?

    2. Dave S says:

      What are the chances a 35,000 car can use that hardware? Like having a 75 kWh that can only use 60 kWh. I’m sure Tessa will require additional funds before the software allows it to work.

    3. Sylvain says:

      Dont get your hopes up… you wont have fully autonomous for 35k… you’ll have to buy lots of option for that to work

    4. JIMIJON says:

      It will never drive itself for $35,000.00..

      1. JIMIJON says:

        I truly believe that not “one” of these cars will ever go out their door for $35,000.00..Chances are you “never” be able to buy a “BASE MODEL” They will add some option that you will need to Jack Up the Price. I’m PREPARED for that , it will still be a Monster deal when you compare it to any other BEV out there.

    5. Durkle says:

      Note that more details have come out since this comment was first written, we now know it’ll be a $43,000 (at least) car that will be capable of Lvl 5 self-driving. Still quite impressive!!

      1. Bacardi says:

        And following the Model S/X it will have a $1200 destination fee…With paint color, currently only Black isn’t an additional charge…All other colors are $1000 or $1500…

      2. Alaa says:

        Even if it is going to be more than $35,000 I still think that if it is possible to share this car between family and friends then it will end up cheaper on each one who chipped in to share the car.

  3. Heisenberghtbacktotherootsandnuts says:

    Thx elon for again keeping me awake…

    Well let’s see the positive : 8 cameras are better than one.

    1. vdiv says:

      Two, there is one at the rear already 🙂

    2. Kdawg says:

      I’m wondering how well the 12 ultra-sonic sensors work. In my experience, ultra-sonic sensors do not work well in windy environments, so how will these be used at speed? Maybe they are just for low speed maneuvering.

      1. Cerio says:

        So great then that there is no wind under water:

        1. Kdawg says:

          Educate yourself

          Environmental Considerations
          Air Turbulence

          Air currents, turbulence and layers of different densities cause refraction of the sound wave. An echo may be weakened or diverted to the extent that it is not received at all. Sensing range, accuracy, and stability can deteriorate under these conditions.

          Ultrasonic Disadvantages

          1. Ultrasonic sensors must view a surface (especially a hard, flat surface) squarely (perpendicularly) to receive ample sound echo. Also, reliable sensing requires a minimum target surface area, which is specified for each sensor type.
          2. While ultrasonics exhibit good immunity to background noise, these sensors are still likely to falsely respond to some loud noises, like the “hissing” sound produced by air hoses and relief valves.
          3. Proximity style ultrasonic sensors require time for the transducer to stop ringing after each transmission burst before they are ready to receive returned echoes. As a result, sensor response times are typically slower than other technologies at about 0.1 second. This is generally not a disadvantage in most level sensing and distance measurement applications. Extended response times are even advantageous in some applications. Transmitted beam style ultrasonic sensors are much faster with response times on the order of 0.002 or 0.003 seconds.
          4. Ultrasonic sensors have a minimum sensing distance.
          5. Changes in the environment, such as temperature, pressure, humidity, air turbulence, and airborne particles affect ultrasonic response.
          6. Targets of low density, like foam and cloth, tend to absorb sound energy; these materials may be difficult to sense at long range.
          7. Smooth surfaces reflect sound energy more efficiently than rough surfaces; however, the sensing angle to a smooth surface is generally more critical than to a rough surface.

          1. Cerio says:

            Disadvantages … schmisadvantages … in the end it works. 🙂
            And the Teslas’ll have (8) cameras too.

      2. Cerio says:

        But seriously … they patented the technology from the Gotham Corporation. Look! It can fly!

  4. Adam says:

    While this will be exciting for some, this is the feature that least interests me, I actually like to drive. I guess that’s going to be confined to a racetrack soon enough.

    1. AlphaEdge says:

      Don’t worry, you still have the option to drive, even when you’re over 90, and still want the rush to do 0 to 60 in 2.7 secs.

    2. philip d says:

      The wording says all cars will have the hardware installed but it doesn’t say that all will have the capability activated at the base price.

      I’m sure there will be a price to have a fully activated autopilot Model 3. So unless you’re willing to shell out another $5000 you may get to drive it after all. 😉

    3. Bacardi says:

      Good for you as you’ll be $8K richer than the most of us! Personally I liked driving until I moved to grid locked coastal L.A. where my 4 mile work commute takes between 20-30mins…Small price to pay to be living at the beach full girls in thong bikinis…

  5. Jack says:

    LOL. They Cant do a lvl 2 right and suddently want to do a lvl 5?? That will be a good joke in the media around the world

    1. Kumar Plocher says:

      While I definitely think they *can* pull it off, I am not sure that prioritizing being the first of all manufacturers to do this is good business. I have a first to rise, first to fall fear.

    2. jelloslug says:


    3. AlphaEdge says:

      At least they are moving the goal posts. If you had to wait for the traditional manufacturers, it would take them 20 years to even advance to this level.

      1. bogdan says:

        No, you would probably be dead before they have one on the market.
        They sell emotions! Very expensive ones.
        Who needs a high tech car ready for the future.
        Old fashion low tech vehicles are full of emotions…

  6. Anon says:

    So, Level 5 Hardware is in place, but the software isn’t ready for their new approach to be fully implemented yet. And there will be a staged vetting process of features (some of which already exist for the older version of AutoPilot) over time.

    Got it.

  7. koz says:

    Sounds good, although raised the bar another notch for their $35K price target for the Model 3. Does this tech recognize object that start 2-4′ above the ground, like trailer beds or poles protruding from a trailer?

  8. gears says:

    I which is didn’t just buy one in August. I was hoping the new refreshed car would be hiding some surprises.

    1. Hank S. says:

      It is always a painful thing when new updates come out soon after you buy something.

      Try to to feel too bad about it. It may be a long while before all of this is activated anyways and it costs many thousands more. Enjoy your Tesla and in a few years you can trade in and get things we don’t even know about yet…maybe 10 to 15 minute charging?

    2. pjwood1 says:

      There’s the actual changes, and the market’s perception of them (devaluing your car).

      We’re going from a radar plus camera based AP system, with 12 parking sensors, to a radar plus camera based system with 12 parking sensors. The difference is more cameras, a $2,000 higher price for Auto-steer and Adaptive Cruise, or an additional $5,000 (8k total) for the hardware that someday supposedly will be enabled for Level 5 AP.

      A new Tesla won’t have AP, at all, until they turn it on. I’d bet the same “overtime” team that just released AP 8.0 has only recently become devoted to the Auto-Steer and Adaptive Cruise portion of the new hardware. It won’t be until its released, before the clock even begins to tick on Tesla releasing a Level 5 product. And then, we know Level 5 will have the usual “you are a beta tester” caveat.

      We could start a pool, on Level 5’s software release. I’ll start: 23 months, before a geo-fenced iteration shows up. Maybe in 18-36 months we’ll also see another manufacturer’s release of a LIDAR system?

      What I worry about is an update roll-back of features on the AP 1.0 cars, in the name of “safety”. I don’t think Musk would allow it, but remain a little cynical of where temptation will ultimately lead Tesla.

  9. Four Electrics says:

    I agree with the extended use of cameras. Human vision evolved eyes to sense the current wavelengths for a reason. Solid state lidar would be the icing on the cake, especially for night driving.

  10. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    “We are excited to announce that, as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver.”

    Sorry, but even as a Tesla fanboy, I don’t buy it. Ultrasonic sensors are extremely short-ranged, and are hopelessly inadequate for detecting cars moving at high speed, even with twice the range of current Tesla ultrasonic sensors.

    Likewise, optical object recognition is simply not reliable enough when people’s lives depend on it. The one and only fatality of someone inside a Tesla car which was known to be operating under Autopilot/AutoSteer was when the optical object recognition confused the side of a semi trailer for a roadside sign. It’s not merely my opinion that optical object recognition isn’t reliable; sadly, it’s a proven fact.

    And one single forward-facing radar… I mean really, isn’t it painfully obvious that this isn’t adequate? A fully functional self-driving car needs active scanning in a 360° circle, which is why the self-driving cars from Google, Lyft and other organizations use an elevated, roof-mounted lidar scanner, which scans in a full circle. Anything less isn’t adequate for technology upon which human lives depend.

    I’m shocked and dumbfounded that Tesla is trying to “cheap out” on the sensors needed for safe autonomous driving.

    1. Josh Bryant says:

      I know you and I disagree on the scanning Lidar solution, but I think it is worth discussing since Tesla is clearly going in a different direction.

      I think if the Lidar was the magic bullet, Tesla would just find a way to bring the cost down. I believe there are technical difficulties for having a robust, redundant Lidar system mounted on a vehicle.

      We are using scanning Lidar’s in open air (not lab) for research work (not automotive). This unit is 300 pounds and hundreds of thousands of dollars, so not a piece of junk. It is great for research/validation data. But here are a list of potential issues I see with the car application.

      Scan rate: Our system take 1 second to scan and compute one full scan pattern. One second at 70 mph, normal highway speed, would be 100 ft. The scanning system would need to be 10 times, if not 100 times faster than ours.

      Reliability: Lasers are sensitive to vibration, heat, dust, etc. Lidars (laser + camera) need careful calibration so the camera picking up the laser is identifying the location in space. I am unsure how this would factor in vehicle maintenance.

      Sensor failure: The mounting outside of the vehicle cabin introduces many more failure points for the Lidar, especially a scanning Lidar that physically rotates. Ice would render it useless, Love bug season in the southeast would block the lens, grocery bag floating around the highway could easily catch on it. I could go on, but I think you get the point.

      Redundancy/Packaging: For the reasons mentioned above, You would need at least 2 scanning Lidars per vehicle to give a failsafe for Level 5 autonomy. Finding a way to mount 2 of these systems on a vehicle will be very difficult for anything other than Taxi/Fleet vehicles. It would really compromise styling and aerodynamics (think high speed efficiency/range). Maybe that won’t matter if everyone just uses a car service.

      If I had to guess, I would think Ford is closest to solving all these issues, but they are still only targeting 2020 for production. And sounds like it will be for a city fleet/taxi service.

      Tesla’s hardware system with the overlapping cameras, radar, and ultrasonics seems more robust from a sensor perspective. But it does make the software more difficult. They seem to think it is an easier problem to solve.

      Anyway, sorry for the long post, but wanted to try to give my thoughts to help with the discussion. Feel free to poke holes ?

      (P.S. This was too long/late in the day for me to go back and edit, so sorry for any typos.)

      (P.P.S Which comes first Outlander PHEV in the US or Edit button on IEVs for comments, lol)

  11. pjwood1 says:

    I’ll let some dweeb at NHTSA get excited by all of this. Not me.

    It’s a bummer, because now it means Model 3 could be left needing a “part 3”.

  12. Anthony says:

    >> “Wasn’t there something about employees not to use catch-phrases at Tesla before?”

    That was acronyms. Elon penned a letter at SpaceX about proliferating, made-up acronyms. I believe it was titled “Acronyms Seriously Suck”.

  13. Weagree says:

    Unfortunately this sounds more like making lemonade out of lemons. Knowing they are loosing Mobile, they are not ready with a replacement, but timing my have been driven by MobileEye contract, so what do you do, you throw in 360 cameras and hope they can make sense of all the data. Lots of features being lost.

    1. Josh Bryant says:

      Good point. If they had a contract for X number of units from Mobileye and they wouldn’t extend it, the recent ramp up may have chewed through it.

      That would explain why the new hardware doesn’t have enough data/validation to include the safety systems of the old hardware on Day 1.

  14. Weagree says:

    Any other info about Model 3? Range, option pricing, HUD…?

  15. zzzzzzzzzz says:

    “will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking”

    What the @@@??? Are they planning to disable airbags for their guinea pigs too? Temporary, of course :/

    1. Four Electrics says:

      Also, will they discount the system to compensate for months of reduced functionality?

    2. AlphaEdge says:

      Basically they have to build a new database overtime. You can’t use the old data, as you have sensors here overlapping each other. You need coordinated data.

    3. pjwood1 says:

      That statement went on to “adaptive cruise control”, too. They’re not including auto-pilot on these new cars, is how Bloomberg is interpreting it. It may come back on in December, but for the time being the older AP cars will be the only ones with functioning hardware.

      Musk already tested his customers, when it took AP “1.0” a full year to roll out after the hardware. Now, he wants even more ($5,000 possibly worth it to the push-button types of drivers), but like last time you don’t get the feature.

      I see the potential for another pile of frustration. A sh!tstorm, if the next version rolls back features on the older cars (What they’ve done, so far, has been “PR” stuff, like “keep hands on wheel”).

  16. Tom says:

    So….I’ve got one of the first autopilot Model S off the production line from late September, 2014. Does that make mine a legacy car now?

    1. AlphaEdge says:

      It’s now a classic antique, and you might be able to get a few extra bucks for it down the road.

      Just think, you can impress people by saying, “you drive the car yourself”! Whoaa!

  17. Texas FFE says:

    It looks like the $35,000 Model 3 just went out the window. Even if the hardware and software doesn’t get used until you pay an activation fee, that’s still a lot of extra cost to go into the car. The model 3 is not going to be able to compete on cost with EVs that don’t have all this extra cost.

    Of course I didn’t expect to see a $35,000 Model 3 until at least the third year of production. Maybe by then the drop in cost of batteries will allow a $35,000 Model 3. But of course if that happens we are probably going to see the base cost of cars like the Bolt before tax incentives down below $30,000.

    1. Tech01x says:

      Where do you get that? The autopilot software is where the big expenses in terms of R&D lie… but the hardware costs aren’t likely all that big – the radar unit is likely similar to the one already being used, so we’re talking the new NVIDIA CPU, improved ultrasonic sensors, and lots more cameras.

      So the big upgrade charges cover the software R&D… so I don’t see how this imperils the Model 3 starting price.

  18. K3wl I3r33s says:

    Elon is selling smoke. Eight kinds this time. The Bolt and the all Electric BMW i3 have real driving range with real and practical options. GM is a not a premium car but will be well built. BMW engineering is at its best with non double vision windows, premium feel and world class dealer network that will support owners properly. Get over Tulsa they will break your heart and pocketbook. Save you money and buy a used 2014/15 i3. And with the money you save buy not buying a Tulsa you can plant a forest.

    1. Anon says:

      As soon as you said, “World Class Dealer Network”, I lost all interest in reading the FUD you’re posting… 😛

    2. Get Real says:

      What a surprise, a brand new (alphabet) username troll here to spam IEVS with their anti-Tesla FUD.

      I wonder which existing hater/shorter this person is, tftf, zzzzz, texas ffe, sven, etc?

    3. bogdan says:

      When owning an I3 RE, u need the dealer network because u have to do oil change on that ICE. U don’t need all of this when owning a Tesla.

    4. floydboy says:

      LOL! Well, I’m convinced!

  19. Someone out there says:

    That’s all? It’s even less interesting than I expected. I don’t believe they will have full auto in 2018. I do expect all kinds of delays now because of this extra hardware.

  20. AlphaEdge says:

    It’s only $8,000 plus tax!!!

    Typical Tesla rich man pricing. I guess it would not be cheap, but that’s crazy.

  21. DJ says:

    So for those of us who wouldn’t use it I guess it was no news… So much for pics of the interior.

  22. Fabian says:

    I like Tesla and I have my M3 deposit locked in, but I am glad I am getting a Bolt in case the Tesla dream becomes a priced-out nightmare in 2018.

  23. kdawg says:

    Hmpf.. I wanted my Tesla Model R robotic vacuum.

    1. Anon says:

      You still can. 3D Print a custom Roomba case. 😛

  24. Taser54 says:

    A computer without software is called a doorstop. A two plus year old computer is considered obsolete. Two plus year old electronics that have never been validated but already have multiple years of vibration and heat cycles that is considered scary.

    Get out the Tesla time machine, for $10k, you can put your life in old, unverified tech’s hands.

    It’s simply a bad idea. Do the work, do the extensive testing, get regulatory approval and then add the feature.

    1. Tech01x says:

      It has software. And software can be improved over time. Two years old is not all that long for hardware designed for it. Where do you get that the electronics would not be validated?

      They do extensive testing. But at some point, they have to ship it, and we live in a era where that software can continue to improve.

  25. Jelloslug says:

    The fudsters are out in force tonight

    1. Anon says:

      Yeah, they want to control how much pain they feel tomorrow, as the stock rises again.

      1. Texas FFE says:

        Yeah the whole point of this announcement was milk even more money out of investors. Too bad with changes like this the investors won’t see a return on their investment for decades if ever. The whole point of the Model 3 was to build an affordable long range EV but the cost just keeps going up and up and up!

        1. ffbj says:

          I made some on Tesla and it only took a few months, though to be fair you said investors. Personally I would not invest in Tesla at these prices, though I would not short it either.
          I am advising people to stay away currently.

  26. Mike says:

    People’s reactions are kinda silly. I remember when the Cray I came out and for 10-20 million dollar, and an additional 10,000$ in cooling bills, you could buy the first super computer. It did nothing if you couldn’t write all the code in FORTRAN.

    Now Tesla builds incredible hardware, software and sensors into every car they deliver and it gets a yawn and tons of trolling.

    What did you want? Heated and cooled cup holders? Would GM or BMW even think of doing something similar? Not a chance. Traditional car makers will be lining up at Google tomorrow morning looking to buy their self-driving tech.


    1. Kdawg says:

      Ew, you said the F-word….. Fortran.

  27. Nix says:

    By far the largest cost for Tesla for Autopilot is in the software and R&D, not the hardware. It is smart to deliver the hardware with every car, whether the first owner wants to use it or not. Second owners may want to use.

    1. A says:

      I suspect those who bought a MS a couple of years ago said the exact same thing…

      Except now they have an outdated version that has non-autopilot

  28. Cavaron says:

    Full Auto is great, but I kinda expected hat anyway… Musik said by 2018 with regulations taking longer on several ocasions…

  29. PoFolks says:

    Now just imagine how much less the Model 3 would be minus all this extra gear?

    Perfect example of forced upgrades.

    1. bogdan says:

      1$ per acoustic = 12$
      1$ per camera = 8$
      10$ per lidar = 10$
      15$ CPU = 15$

      Total = 45$ plus VAT
      That’s a lot of dough!

      1. R.S says:

        CPU might be a hell of a lot more expensive. Just look at those NVIDA PX2, fully autonomous units, they retail for 15k right now. So even in 3 years they will be more than $1000.

        1. bogdan says:

          The price is much lower for large series production like automotive. That platform will be optimized for automotive. And Tesla is not the only customer for this product. You can forget about thousands of dollars.

      2. Pjwood1 says:

        End running the industry’s aim for (currently, ~$10,000) LIDAR is some of Tesla’s gamble. It looks like they are trying to accompllish with redundancy, what LIDAR could do with better “wavelengths”.

        My non-tech take.

      3. mr. M says:

        More like:

        10$ per acoustic = 120$
        50$ per camera = 400$
        100$ per lidar = 100$
        200$ per CPU = 800$

        Total = 1420$ + VAT

        yes, that makes it more expensive, but not by a unreasonable amount…

        1. Trollnonymous says:

          You forgot…

          * The cabling hardware (what did everyone think it worked on Unicorn farts?)

          * Cabling install (Not even Unicorn farts do this)

          * Final Test/QA/Calibration labor time (one would ~Hope~ they do that right?)

          * Hardware / Steering actuators (or servo’s?).

          I agree with the OP but I would add that that is just more thingies (technical term… that can break/go wrong/require a visit to or by a tech.

          1. bogdan says:

            Steering actuators?

            U have no idea how the steering in Tesla works, don’t u?

        2. bogdan says:

          10$ per acoustic = 120$
          50$ per camera = 400$

          U obviously don’t work in the automotive business. Things are a lot different there than in other industries!

  30. John R says:

    Well that was a major disappointment. I was expecting a big new product announcement, that was the promise. Instead, it’s something we knew all long, that all Tesla vehicles will have autopilot hardware. That’s nothing new, we knew this for the past several months.

    1. Pjwood1 says:

      Tesla is in Silicon Valley. How does it go…”give someone a hammer and everything starts looking like a nail.” Ooòooo, sensors.

  31. Brent M says:

    I’m trying to figure out where the “unexpected by most” was in the announcement today. We all know Tesla has been moving towards full autonomy for some time now. So this announcement was a media event for something we all new was happening? Give me something I didn’t know about Tesla!

    The announcement says it’s going to “lower the financial cost of transportation” but I fail to see how that’s going to work with an $8k premium on the sticker price. Our Insurance rates would have to skyrocket for non-automous cars once the level 5 cars hit the road to realize any cost savings. We’re going to be paying more for a car that drives itself, which I admit over time could be safer but if it’s going to cost me $8k to get that in the next couple of years, I’m not going to save that much on insurance for a car that drives itself? Where’s the “lower the financial cost of transportation” in the equation?

    Not to go on a rant but is anyone concerned with privacy anymore? Where are they getting all the terabytes of “real world driving”? I’m guessing they are uploading data from customers cars and crunching numbers. If I’m going to be a guinea pig shouldn’t I get compensated for waving my privacy rights?

    I am one of those people who rushed into a Tesla store back in March, to place my $1k deposit down so I really like what Tesla is doing in the way of electrification. I know Tesla is trying to make as much money as it can on the Model 3 and offering all these upgradable options to entice what I call “free revenue” will certainly help the cause but Mr. Musk is losing interest from those who simple want to own a well built decent range electric vehicle with good performance that we can drive!

    1. ItsNotAboutTheMoney says:

      “The announcement says it’s going to “lower the financial cost of transportation” but I fail to see how that’s going to work with an $8k premium on the sticker price. Our Insurance rates would have to skyrocket for non-automous cars once the level 5 cars hit the road to realize any cost savings. We’re going to be paying more for a car that drives itself, which I admit over time could be safer but if it’s going to cost me $8k to get that in the next couple of years, I’m not going to save that much on insurance for a car that drives itself? Where’s the “lower the financial cost of transportation” in the equation?”

      Since you’re struggling to figure it out, let me give you a couple of things to consider:
      – Vehicle does not need a driver
      – Vehicle comes to you when you need it.
      – Vehicle leaves you when you’re done with it.

      As a bonus hint, answer this question:
      Why are taxis small and buses large?

      Now imagine the cost of making each vehicle autonomous is $8,000.

      1. Brent M says:

        Oh, you’re talking about a Utopia! I was thinking real-world vehicle ownership applied to my pocket-book.

        1. ItsNotAboutTheMoney says:

          Think laterally.

  32. James says:

    Brent, Tesla is merely doing with M3 what it has with all it’s prior models. Surely the first 3s will be the high-optioned ones. Just like the Founder Xs and Signature vehicles.

    There will be lots of people who drop off the bandwagon before they see a $35,000 base M3. This will be 2WD ones with the steel roof, no activated Autopilot or any of these new features enabled. The first cars help fund the outlay to build the less expensive ones. It makes sense for a company that isn’t Toyota or GM with billions of dollars to plunk into forays like Bolt EV or Mirai.And they aren’t cheap! Battery packs are still very expensive.

    Elon said the true average price of a 3 will most likely be around $42,000 – what with a few upgrades. I believe he’ll stick with the promise of the $35,000 M3 but the numbers don’t work until production is ramped up and operating at full capacity.

    I like the attitude of some I’ve heard that are buying a Bolt EV now, and will love it and use it until that fine day when the $35,000 M3 is available. It may be 2019.

  33. James says:

    Am I the only one here that asserts self-driving cars are still a pipedream? I guess so.

    This 8 camera system will take “Autopilot” (enhanced cruise control) to a new level of competency, but please keep the driver’s eyes on the road and hands on the wheel. I’d be more excited if a biometric iris scanner for the driver was part of the system, keeping the driver engaged.

    Still – it’s pretty sweet for Tesla cars to have this ability, even if you don’t pop for it. To have it there waiting just in case you want it later, or for the next owner…That is pretty cool. Plus, if you wait, surely the price for the upgrade will come down eventually.

    All this makes our attention-deficit world’s eyes on Tesla. Still, the buildout of more Superchargers, possibly with wireless charging or automated charging – and naturally, meeting the deadlines to Model 3 and Y certainly have got to met for the whole Tesla house of cards comes falling down.

    Not to forget the fortunes of Solar City which are now also tied to Tesla after mid November if all goes to plan.

    Keep building the energy storage business, Tesla and keep your eyes on the prize of a timely Model 3 rollout, and all will be well in EV land.

  34. NeX says:

    is that all? waited so long to hear that they have more cameras now? Wasnt that obvious anyway, since Elon said m3 will be capable of full autonomous driving.
    p.s. when I see how much more extra it is for autopilot in comparison to model s, that makes me afraid of what the m3 I want could actually cost. Im ready to pay more than base price, but not 20k more.

    1. ItsNotAboutTheMoney says:

      Cameras all around, and the processing power necessary for the system.
      The rest is software.

      The key point of this was to stop people deferring purchase because they were waiting for AP2 hardware.

  35. mr. M says:

    OK 2018 the software shall be ready as Musk stated. That means the software will be ready 2019 in real life, but then you have to verify them by the national agencies. That process might take up to 2 years, since it was never done before.

    I don’t see any picture where the hardware is redundant, therefore the safety requirement (of the EU at least) are not met jet. A rear view of only 100m (as in the picture) is also very little.

    In germany it is easily possible that the person on the lane to the left is driving 100km/h (60mph) more than you at the highway. That means 33 m/s or only 3 s from “first time seen the car in the back” to “went back the way from his lane to my lane that i already crossed”.

    And there is the more likely scenario that you are driving 32 km/h (20mph) in a ramp onto the highway, while everyone on the highway is moving 120 km/h (75mph). That is still a difference of 25m/s. Meaning you have 4 s time maximum.

    1. floydboy says:

      Neither scenario you’ve given are an issue. Unless you’re suggesting the car is incapable of speeding up, or the cars behind you incapable of slowing down!

      1. mr. M says:

        If the car right next to you drives 200 km/h and you drive 100 km/h and sweept into his lane, the other car is most likely hitting you. And you will get fined for a high part of the accident.

        The other car has a reaction time of around 1s. Within that time it gets 28 m closer to you. So it has 78 m left for braking. Within the next 3 seconds it reduces the speed by 30 m/s (hard braking) and gets another 42 m closer. After that you an he are at the same speed, but he is only 36 m behind you. If he had reacted a little later or did a little less braking and the accident would have happenend.

        Of course i still assume you will not accelerate within those period, which is unlikely in a Tesla.

        According to german law you have to look as far back as you can see the road and handle your driving accordingly otherwise you get a joint guilt in the accident.

        1. ItsNotAboutTheMoney says:

          Alternatively, the Tesla can move into the other lane, accelerate, pass and move back over.

  36. mr. M says:

    Also i like to add that the computation power is not that much:

    Teslas stated number of 12 trillion operation per second == 12 TeraFLOPS

    The Xbox One has 1.31 TeraFLOPS. And there is the little project called “Scorpio” for the XBox that shall deliver 6 Teraflops. There is also a grafic card in the same range. The Nivida GeForce GTX 1070 graphics card, which is a 6.5 teraflop $380 GPU.

    So we talking about a 760$ supercomputer that has the computational power of two high end graphic cards?! The hardware is not exeptional, it is the software that will be it.

    1. Mythen says:

      Nvidia Titan X delivers 11 teraflops for $1,200. But we can’t argue that this is the first time such computing power was included in production vehicle.

  37. Adam Wood says:

    The video is UP! as of like 20 minutes ago!

  38. floydboy says:

    Listen, all you armchair ‘Pattons’ need to calm down. Let’s see what it’s not capable of, BEFORE we designate what it’s not capable of! I’m also sensing a little Model 3 fever going on. I’ll talk to our dealer, Mr Musk, to see if he can’t ‘hit us up’ with a little something Model 3 specific, to take the edge off!

  39. Mythen says:

    On the side note, my favourite colour (Titanium) was taken out of Norway’s configurator, and I seriously hope they bring it back for M3.

  40. Peter says:

    What happens if one or more cameras gets covered in dirt or snow?

    1. Vexar says:

      “Unable to drive in automatic mode. Wash me.”

      Seriously, this is why the front cameras are on the windshields. Locally, an owner hit a disgustingly large moth and the front radar was occluded.

      So Elon’s team figures out how to make a self-driving car, but fails to figure out how to make a self-cleaning car.

    2. ItsNotAboutTheMoney says:

      Driver Assistance: the driver drives the car.

      Autonomous Vehicle: the camera cleans itself (just like on-board cameras in motor racing).

      Driver assistance systems just need to know when something’s wrong.

      Autonomous systems have to fix problems and have enough redundancy to drive safely in the event of a hardware failure.

  41. Ken says:

    Good question. I would expect that they will be mounted in a such a way that they are somewhat protected, the software will detect image degredation and alert you to clean them (which can be done with a finger if my backup camera is typical), and they could even have a self cleaning device using the windshield washer fluid.

  42. Ken says:

    Obviously the three front facing cameras will be mounted behind the windshield where the current single camera is, and their view is kept clear by the wipers. The same could be done for the three rear facing cameras by adding a rear wiper, but that seems unlikely, and the side cameras will need another solution.

  43. Ken says:

    I was wondering what the compelling argument for the snake autonomous charge connector was. Now we know. Your car can pay for itself by driving paying customers around on the Tesla Network, and charge itself between trips. You can also drive cross country at night and sleep the whole way.

  44. Ken says:

    Time to sell LUV short. They always said they don’t compete with other airlines, they compete with cars. It takes me at least 6 hours door to door to fly anywhere, no matter how short the hop. This will eliminate the need for any flight less than 500 miles.

  45. fasterthanonecanimagine says:

    I’m looking forward to when Teslas and eventually all EVs can drive as ad-hoc convoys, separated just by a few yards, optimized for lowest energy consumption. This would be smart range extension. Tesla from now onwards has the required hardware in place. Go Tesla Go.

  46. fotomoto says:

    “To be fair, everyday human error accidents in automobiles are not news because humans driving cars aren’t a new thing, and no one really has questions on how safe (or not safe) the roads are with a human behind the wheel at this point.”

    Yes, this falls under the classic axiom: “man bites dog is a story” not “dog bites man”. Ironically, the first human automotive fatality was caused by an electric automobile (NY taxi).

  47. Priusmaniac says:

    Like others I am a bit disappointed because I don’t want AP or self drive anyway, but I noticed the mention of the automatic supercharger. That may not mean much to some but to me it means that voltage could be augmented more easily since there is no human intervention anymore. More voltage combined with hopefully higher C rate cells means 10 minutes charging becomes possible.

    Note that all those cameras on the car would allow to make a super street view system with refreshed pictures each time a Tesla pass along the streets. No more waiting for the Google street view car passing once a year.

    1. ItsNotAboutTheMoney says:

      Also, the snake would mean that _all_ new Teslas could move themselves away from the Supercharger once they’ve finished charging, even if the owner of the Tesla doesn’t care.

  48. Bacardi says:

    Since it was revealed Tesla may de-bundle standard lifetime supercharging in favor of adding a lifetime option or SC credits, I wonder if they’ll do the same with AP? What if you have one too many “Bacardis”, should your Tesla charge your maybe a dollar or two per mile to get you home safe?

  49. ffbj says:

    Sort of puts a stake through the heart of Elon’s $42k average price. It seems like my initial $50k guess, though lambasted at the time I predicted it, is looking more accurate.

  50. Pete says:

    8000 for the enhanced autopilot with full self driving capability ? Its a joke, Elon only try to sell the 120000 TEsla Model S owners a new car with the new hardware.
    I am sure after some years the resale valule of MOdel S will drop like the Leafs, when Autopilot 3 hardware is available in 2019 no one cars about the old cars.
    Tesla makes a to fast product cycle, its electrical scrap.

  51. Terawatt says:

    The desperation is becoming ever more apparent. And I’m now much closer to cancelling my reservation. A more hyped non-event in the car world is hard to think of!

    Seems they dont even want anyone to see the event. The youtube video is private, and its not on the Tesla site. I couldn’t find another on YouTube. All there is is a boring, uniformative video showing off a feature in ad style, provoding exactly zero real information.

    IDK what’s going on over there, but this is completely the wrong focus. 30% more for someday autonomy that nobody knows how will perform relative to the competition? NO. But include all the expense – the hardware – in every car?!? This is even worse than the stupid software limited battery!

    I hope for Teslas sake few people are like me, because they are quickly burning their patience capital with me. If “part 3” also proves content free, or bad news only, I’ll rather wait for 2020 than buy from them!

  52. jim stack says:

    So WHY does the Self Driving Tesla drive over the STOP parking entrance that is arrowed with a out direction? It’s at 2:20 in the video . Seems unsafe to me.