Alex On Autos Reviews Jaguar I-Pace: Says It Needs More Time In Oven

NOV 4 2018 BY MARK KANE 56

The I-PACE is cool, but it has a few weak points too.

The Jaguar I-PACE enters the U.S. market and one of the first places to go for in-depth reviews and advice is usually Alex on Autos.

Alex stresses that the first European all-electric competitor to Teslas is not really a direct Tesla competitor (of S/X/3 Model), but more likely other premium/luxury models (ICE) in its price range.

“Up till now the only non-Tesla EVs have been econo-boxes or EV conversions. We’ve had plug-in hybrids that have been advertised as competition, we’ve had an inexpensive hatchback (Bolt), and a short-range sedan (Clarity). But the one thing we haven’t had was a long-range luxury entry that was designed from the ground up to be an electric vehicle. Until now. The Jaguar I-Pace is the first of an Electric onslaught from the EU, but it does come across as needing a little more time in the oven…”

The I-PACE is quick and has superb handling, especially for its weight. Brakes are good, but ride quality and cabin noise are not the pros, while the energy consumption (2.9 kWh/mile or 1.8 kWh/km) is worse than in other BEVs. The weaker points are also the on-board charger (just 7 kW), sometimes laggy touchscreen and limited rear visibility. The quality and customization options get high marks.

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56 Comments on "Alex On Autos Reviews Jaguar I-Pace: Says It Needs More Time In Oven"

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DL

When has any Jaguar buyer been worried about fuel economy?

ffbj

I imagine that what’s Jaguar figured too, although an ev is a horse of a different color.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T6umD9Z8HA

David Bricknell

When it’s an EV and fuel economy = efficiency = range

evsforall

Most important = charge time/mile for trips.

DL

It’s less than 3 miles from any place in Beverly Hills to the Grove, not a big range issue.

ffbj

But what if you want to go visit friends in Rancho Cucamonga?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jIBZjL8G5s

Benjamin

It’ll drive from LA to Palm Springs without needing to recharge fine.

Thaddeus Buttmunch, MD

I’m a “Green” physician-so I AM. I’m worried about 1. Climate Change and 2. The Evil Oil Producing states-be they Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, or Texas. We can decrease natural gas usage, too, with Geothermal Heat Pumps, practical in most of the Northern US (in the South and West, everyone should have Solar Roofs.) And-Watch OUT, Montana, Wyoming, Kentucky and West Virginia…COAL is soon to be DEAD, regardless of what Trump says.

David Cary

Interestingly reasonable comments with a 5th grader’s pseudonym. What do we make of that?

dimitrij

Coal has been quite dead for tens-, if not hundreds of millions of years. Do you mean it’s going to be even deader?

REXisKing

Economically dead. You do know that natural gas generation and Solar & Battery and Wind & Battery are now cheaper than coal production. Gigawatts of coal are coming off line.

Also, this is great as conveniently positioned near river coal ash dumps, may soon stop polluting every lake and stream in America with Mercury, Arsenic and Uranium pollution.

Kan

Deleted.

nh

What does your job have to do with your thoughts? But, I do like your comments.

Martin

You care about the economy once you have to stop for over an hour to charge. Unlike in a model 3 where you get over 300 miles. Charge in 40 min and go.

DL

The butler charges the car at home and the valet charges the car at the mall. You fly when it’s over 250 miles to somewhere 😉

Brian

Stopped on the side of the road is par for the course in a Jag.

bro1999

Takes just about 2 hours to charge a LR Model 3 from 0-100% at a Supercharger.
https://insideevs.com/watch-time-lapse-of-tesla-model-3-supercharging-from-0-100/

John

How long does it take a Bolt from 0-100% at a Supercharger? I couldn’t find that information anywhere..

bro1999

N/A because Elon refuses to share the Supercharger network with anyone else, despite his lips flapping stating he would.

antrik

That’s a lie and you know it.

Dan F.

When fuel economy equals range for a car that has to be charged.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Then Alex should have “dinged” the I-Pace for its inferior range (and fast-charging ability) as compared to other new BEVs, and not for its “fuel” economy, which is superb when compared to the gasmobiles which — as Alex correctly points out — will be what the I-Pace will be most directly competing against.

LFC

“but ride quality and cabin noise are not the pros” Are you sure you drive the car ???

Robb Stark

Alex owns a Kia Soul EV

Bill Howland

Just a slight comment on Alex’s usually flawless reviews. A model 3 does not currently charge at home at 14-16 kw, unless you have your own Chademo hookup as well as the Tesla adapter. Level 2 charging is not DOUBLE the rate of this Jag, but 50 – 55% faster (48 vs. 32 amperes in North America).

Also, the headline here ( ‘needs more time in the oven’) makes it sound like the car needs much improvement. Listened to his whole review, and I was under the impression when finished that he likes the car.

MoMac

Does it matter?

Who is “Alex on Autos”??

This seems like an unusual source to look to for reviews.

On the about section of “alex on autos” it appears that he is just a regular guy that started doing car reviews. He doesn’t seem to have any experience working for a car manufacturer, JD Power, Consumer Reports, or a traditional car magazine.

Contrast this Alex guy to someone like Doug DeMuro, who worked in the auto business before doing reviews.

David H

250k people care what he has to say. His reviews are usually very detailed and stuffed to the brim with facts and, yes, also his opinion. But even though he might not have a car background (Doug also just worked as a paper pusher for Porsche, that’s not something that is bound to give you any expertise about cars), he is very knowledgeable overall and his reviews are worth watching.
Especially so if you are actually shopping for a certain car.

Will

Wow. Alex is one ☝️ of the best car reviews on YouTube

Pushmi-Pullyu

I’d say that not having any association with JD Power is a good thing.

And amazing as it seems, in the real world, many people are able to educate and train themselves on a subject entirely unrelated to any formal education or work experience they might have had. For example, Robert Llewellyn of “Fully Charged” fame is by profession an actor. Before that, he was a shoemaker. Neither profession has stopped him from learning a very great deal about electric cars!

Oh, and Elon Musk is a self-taught rocket scientist, too… altho he did have a degree in physics to give him a good grounding in basic engineering principles and math.

DGate

Right you are…When I want an opinion on a car it will be mine not someone else’s. Seems most here will believe anything they read or see on you tube instead of finding out for themselves.

Tech01x

Note, however, that the Jaguar battery is bigger than the Model 3 LR’s battery. It takes more than 12 hours to charge from empty to full. That’s a big usability issue. For road trips, being able to pull into a hotel near zero charge and then leave in the morning, 8–10 hours later with a full charge is important. Same thing coming home at night.

For such an expensive car, much more expensive than the Model 3 AWD, this is a strange deficit.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Yeah. As some reviewers have noted, despite all its virtues, the I-Pace does show some awkward signs of being the first EV from a gasmobile maker.

But it’s still the closest thing yet to a real competitor for Tesla! 🙂

REXisKing

Many did complain about that fake unneeded grill, being a contributor to aerodynamic drag. And this is the Achilles Heal of the car, highway driving where aerodynamics is most important.

bro1999

City efficiency ain’t that hot either. The problem isn’t just aero.

MoMac

It’s not fake.

Part of the air intake from the grille is used for cooling the battery (in addition to active thermal management), and the rest is routed to behind the vehicle, for aerodynamic purposes.

David Cary

Just so we are clear. 48 Amps on 120V is 12 kw and the Jag charges at 7kw. While it is not double it is pretty close. I don’t know, it is 7 or 8kw but somewhere someone said 7. The difference between double and 50% more is in the details.
But double the speed when it comes to miles – the only metric that matters – is a definite. Just rounding the 3 get 4 miles per kwh and the jag gets 3. So even if it gets a true 32A, the mileage count is 24 vs 48 per hour. And for those that are paying attention, I was being generous for the Jag.

Bill Howland

Jag charges at 7.4 (his number) kw, and on my adding machine 48 times 240 is 11,520 watts, or 55% more…. 48 amperes is only 50% more than 32, but I’m giving the Tesla the benefit of the doubt since I’m assuming the Jag backs off while the Tesla does not.. I don’t think either car can do that current at 120V.

There are other variables – the ‘Vampire Drain’ of the ‘3’ is, depending on who you talk to , either negligible or significant. I haven’t heard anyone talk about whether the JAG suffers from this. GM cars as a for instance, do not – other than taking a small amount to heat the battery the next time the car is started.

Jean-Baptiste Labelle

I am living in Europe. All L2 chargers are 3 phase 22kW. I have simple standard 16A 3-phase wall charger in the garage of my building so nothing special for EV. I can charge with my Tesla at 17kW on 22kW L2 charger (max of Tesla) and 11kW at home.
The i-Pace will charge at 7kW on public L2 so ibwill regain 75km of range per hour versus 15km for the i-Pace and at home, i am full in 5 hours when the i-Pace would need 30 hours without a special 32A line that i could not get.
The i-Pace is just a NO-Go for long trips here in Europe.

antrik

All L2 chargers in Europe are 22 kW? I don’t think that’s true. AFAIK all the ones in my area (installed in 2011 by two different companies) are just 11 kW.

Bill Howland
Mr. Labelle you are assuming everywhere is the same as France or Belgium…. French homes being heavily wired due to the large preponderance of Electrical Heat in that country. But entire neighborhoods in the UK (as a for instance, LLewellyn’s home) ONLY have single-phase 240 volts at the ‘Consumer Unit’. In the USA we are even less electrified than you guys since we typically do not have electrically heated showers, nor electrically heated washing machines. While 3-phase is more and more common the further you go into Continental Europe, it does not mean everyone has it – so although an Austrian Design the car being offered at single-phase only for the time being is just fine for British Homes, and of course, it is just fine for North American ones. Much has been said about the diminutive level 2 (7,4 kw) charger in the I-pace, but I feel it is about right, since most of our public L2 facilities are 3 to 7 kw with a happy average of about 6 kw. The I-pace can fully utilize all of these. Yes it takes a rather long time to recharge at home, but most people have to sleep sometime, and that… Read more »
REXisKing

I don’t know the kw rate, but Tesla’s typically are set up with 50 Amp charging at home.

Martin

Sorry Jaguar, it can’t compare with let’s say used Model S. Tesla is so much better designed when it comes to tech. Good luck receiving any updates from jag, they simply don’t do it. If you want an EV these days only Tesla makes sense. I wish that was not the case. When I see someone bets coast to coast trip in anything other than tesla I will be sold.

dinhh68

sure the jag fans can get updates… just buy next yr’s model

DLi

“2.9 kWh/mile” is that right? Can’t be. I think this is a typo.

Ny m3 gets something like 230wh per mile. Advertised efficiency 4.1miles per kwh, in line with what i see.

Adrian

My guess is that they meant 2.9 miles/kWh, but then got confused when converting it to km since it couldn’t also be 1.8 km/kWh. Looks like 2.9 km is about 1.8 miles, so they probably got confused on the direction of the conversion too.
I recently got 245 kw/mile on a long road trip, with some significant rain (dual motor, 18″ aeros, autopilot mostly set at 70 or 80 mph depending on the speed limit)

Davek

That’s possible, since the metric consumption is wrong by a factor of 10 as well. 1.8 kWh/km would be apocalyptically terrible (although the I-Pace isn’t actually far off…). Consumption is usually in Wh/km (which should be 180 Wh/km in this case) or, for people intent on direct comparability between fossils and EVs, kWh/100km (which would likely be 18 kWh/km here).

rey

“it does come across as needing a little more time in the oven..” , So is it half baked or what?

bro1999

Maybe more like 3/4 baked. You can still eat bread (or pizza) that is 3/4 baked, but of course it’ll taste better if fully baked.
The efficiency numbers are really terrible though. I think those may be “baked” into the car until some hardware changes in the powertrain can be made down the road.

Pushmi-Pullyu

For improved energy efficiency, I think it needs some design time in the wind tunnel, too.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Alex stresses that the first European all-electric competitor to Teslas is not really a direct Tesla competitor (of S/X/3 Model), but more likely other premium/luxury models (ICE) in its price range.”

Good to see him say that! Unfortunately, Jaguar’s advertising makes absurd claims by trying to portray the I-Pace as a head-to-head competitor of the Tesla Model X.

Unfortunately, Alex then undermines his own premise by rating the I-Pace’s “fuel” economy at “C-?”. Well, in relation to the other newest models of BEVs, yes. But in relation to the cars he says it is intended to compete with, which are gasmobiles, the I-Pace’s “fuel” economy is truly outstanding!

Prsnep

Why does this article focus on that one quote from Alex when his overall impression was positive?

Also, I don’t understand the drive for ever-larger rims on wheels. 22″?! Where will it stop? I’d much rather have a 18″ wheel with slightly compromised acceleration and handling, but with better fuel economy and a softer ride. People compromise on the things they need 95% of the time for things they need 5% of the time.

Benjamin

I’m getting an I-Pace “S” with the 18″ wheels.

antrik

Do larger wheels actually improve acceleration?…

I think most people buy larger wheels just for looks.

Prsnep

I did some digging, and it turns out that the increased weight of the larger rim results in *slower* acceleration.

So the only non-cosmetic benefits of the larger rims are that they help with handling. Most people don’t push their cars to the limits around corners most of the time so it doesn’t make sense to pay extra for those larger rims unless you really, really value the improved aesthetics.

CDspeed

What car doesn’t have a few weak points? I’ve had my i3 for four years, the rear hinged rear passenger doors, manual front seats, and uninsulated front trunk are still annoying from time to time. My Tesla Model X though, was so aggravating at times, I got rid of the d*mn thing.

Bill Howland

CDspeed, how much did you pay for your “X”, what options did you have, and what do u consider was aggravating? Those of us who have never owned an “X” might want another actual owner’s experience detailed here.