Are These 5 Changes Necessary For Next-Generation Nissan LEAF To Be A Success?

MAR 29 2015 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 86

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Awhile back, PluginCars.com compiled a list of 5 changes it deemed necessary for the next-generation Nissan LEAF to be successful.  Here’s that list in condensed form:

1. More Normal Appearance

“From the beginning, the looks of the Nissan LEAF have been polarizing. Expect to see a new LEAF that competes on visual appeal directly against internal combustion models.”

We both agree and disagree on this one.  The next-gen LEAF needs to stand out, so we don’t expect it to look like Nissan’s ICE vehicles.  Perhaps the next-gen LEAF will get a design that’s more all-around pleasing, but we certainly don’t expect it (or want it) to look like a Versa or Sentra.

2. More Range

No commentary required.  More range is coming and yes it’s necessary.

3. More Advertising

Nah, Nissan does well in this category.  Once the offering (LEAF) is improved, it’ll sell in higher volume without the need for even more marketing/advertising.

4. More Competition (Even Internal)

Competition does drive innovation, but Nissan will push to continue to lead the semi-affordable electric car segment regardless.  Nissan needs no motivation.  Nissan is the motivator.

5. More Noise from Fuel Cells

How will this impact the success of the next-gen LEAF? We haven’t a clue. PluginCars states:

“The new level of noise will, at the least, require Nissan to direct its attention to the benefits of battery-powered vehicles as a superior alternative to all other technologies—from hybrids to hydrogen.”

Hmm…still don’t quite understand this argument.  It’s a fact that Nissan shows interest in hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, so we don’t believe the automaker will attack this form of transport by pointing out the benefits of BEVs.  We hope Nissan doesn’t even acknowledge FCEVs in the process of promoting BEVs.

We ask you, our readers, what are the 5 changes necessary to ensure success of the next-generation Nissan LEAF?

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Despite the fact i was very inthusiastic about Leaf i could hardly believe they’ll manage to make a car that is at the same time:
– Has more range.
– Cheaper.

Range has kind of diminishing returns. If they’ll make a car with 50% more range than now (which is huge improvement from technical point of view), people would still request for more.

Until batteries will become twice more dense from now, Volt 2.0 architecture is a winner.

Absidu, +1

Why not just take the Tesla approach? Offer 3 levels of battery and let the owners pay for what they want.

It’s a spiral. With more range, they sell more, the price goes down with economy of scale, they can pack more batteries, technology improves, more range, more sales…

All ICE car companies know that but were never interrested to build good ranged cheap EVs in the first place. The few ones we have now are for compliance, subsidies and greenwashing. They could do much better 5 years ago, as they did 15 years ago.

The explanation is that they get pressurized by Big Oil AND they make too much profits with ICE technology.
The explosion engine vibrate, overheat, wear out . It MUST be cooled and lubricated. It is Fragile, complex, prone to break, with many mandatory regular maintance co$$$t$.
And we have to replace cars with 250,000 miles… A good EV will give you 1,000,000 miles and more. Ask your drill or your frig. Replacing 2 bearings is no big deal at all…

That why without Tesla pushing the game higher, we would still have sub 100 miles EVs and 200 miles range would still be only promises…

What? You say it’s actually the situation right now?!?

@ absidu
The Volt is a good way not to give more range, not to sell more real EVs, not to put on the market more batteries and not to induce economies of scale to lower the price.

There is no huge effort to improve technology, there is misinformation and lack of will from car makers. Tesla prove them wrong with ordinary laptop batteries.

The Volt is a “real” EV. Most of those who buy a Volt do so with the intention of replacing as many gasoline-powered miles as possible with electricity-powered ones, just like BEV owners.

Furthermore, at least according to one survey, Volt owners stop for an en route recharge more often than do Leaf owners:

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1079936_forget-range-anxiety-chevy-volt-owners-have-gas-anxiety

The fleet average for Volts is about 71% electric-powered miles, with the rest being gas powered. While it would be nice if it were closer to 100%, let’s not make this a case of “The perfect driving out the good”. If the Volt wasn’t available, a lot of Volt owners wouldn’t be driving BEVs — they’d be driving gas guzzlers.

If I understand what you say is that people who wants to drive on electricity pick the less worse car for the job with the security of having a global decent range if necessary.

“Furthermore … Volt owners stop for an en route recharge more often than do Leaf owners”

Lol! Of course they recharge more often, if they want to have the most AER they have to because their battery pack (and AER range is half of the Leaf!

So Volts owners want to be on electricity and they want it so that they care to recharge with their very slow charger en route.

GM is well aware of this and still they keep the same sluggish charger for the new model, and the range increase sucks!
Clearly, after more than five years of alleged progress, the Volt 2.0 is no big accomplishment at all. GM does not yet compete with a good, as you say “real EV”. The Bolt wont be neither.

Carlos Ghosn has already explicitly stated that the next LEAF will have double the battery capacity. I doubt very much whether the price will increase either, and may even go down.

It’s worth remembering that the current LEAF battery is pretty old technology now and that Nissan sell the current LEAF far below list price in quite large numbers.

I’ve never seen any word from Goshn, that explicit said “double battery capacity”.

Nissan currently continues to advertise the Leaf as a “100 mile EV”. They’re talking about doubling the range on the next-generation Volt. That certainly implies double the battery capacity, altho it may be that they plan to up the efficiency a bit, which might result in slightly less than twice the kWh.

I dunno if Ghosn is or isn’t one of those quoted as talking about a Leaf with double the range.

Ghosn was interviewed by the japanese media, and i’m pretty sure he said the next leaf would have 250 miles of range (on the japanese standardized driving cycle – which has the current leaf at about 125 miles), so about 2x.

+1 Eletruk

I didn’t put a link because Google.

Well, the Volt is not the clear winner by sales data. There is plenty of room for both BEVs and PHEVs. Yeah, having the gas is nice handle long drives in a PHEV. But it is also nice to eliminate the noisy smelly ICE and thus eliminate oil changes, smog checks, fill-ups, lots of maintenance, oil drips, all local emissions, exhaust problems, a complex transmission, oil filter changes, air filter changes, etc.

Volt was the sales winner until only recently, and their recent dethroning is more due to price points, politics, and misconceptions… In other words, for all the wrong reasons.

That could all change with Volt 2.0 but who knows.

The biggest reason for the huge drop in 2015 Volt sales is the 2016 Volt. Sales numbers started to drop when rumors were confirmed that the 2016 would be GEN II, and then plummeted once the 2016 was unveiled.

The Volt losing sales to its own future self doesn’t really say anything about the Leaf.

+1

Sorry but if I have a choice to drive a gas Volt or keeping my gas Hemi Challenger I pick the Challenger for the fun factor. I believe in full EVs I won`t drive a half ass EV/Gas car. I will either enjoy burning gas in my Challenger or trade in for a 200 mile EV. I will not support a car with two drive trains in a single car.

It’s funny you say that. I’ll either drive the Leaf or my ’71 C10 pickup. I detest hybrids because of their complexity.

Range isn’t the issue. 90% of drivers operate in the ~80 miles radius. If only you can pop in a full tank in 5 min, like ICE, then you’d keep going. Fast Charging even at 20-30 min is too slow. If you drive 100 miles in a round trip, 20-30 minutes is a huge amount of time sitting doing nothing. coffee, bathroom, snack is perfected to the time you fill up 15 gallons of gas.
Forget range and focus on Charging. My FFE is not a destination car because it doesn’t fast charge. Its a great daily commuter.
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They forgot an obvious one: lower price.

+1

As a second car the current gen Leaf is amazing but is over priced for that segment of the market.

My biggest grip with the car is it’s aerodynamics. It has a large COD which negatively effects it’s freeway range. The car is just too tall.

I don’t see it’s any massive taller, than the other EV’s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMz0Mqj1_-4

I don’t want it to have a smaller inside and with a larger battery pack, it might even become some cm taller.

Yeah, the aerodynamics are lacking. Tesla is the only one that go this right and they are a biggest EV!

The Cd is lower by 0.04 but If the leaf was as “efficient” as the current gen model S it would be a 50 mile bev. Tesla got it “right” by putting a huge battery in their huge car.

I really like Tesla but comparing it to the Nissan Leaf is like comparing a Jag/Aston/Top end BMW to a golf/focus/altima. It makes no sense, the leaf is less than half the price as is the size of the battery pack.

I was just comparing the Cd . . . which is not something that requires a lot of money to implement. The Model S is a much bigger car and the fact that it is so slippery is a testament to their work in making a great looking and very aerodynamic car. More companies need to do that.

Did anyone do an independent test of the Model S’s Cd? I kinda don’t trust their #’s.

Never mind. I see the link posted below for Car & Driver.

Just an idea, how about making it a bit narrower? or a bit lower to the ground? or be to put those clear bits in the wheels like on the bolt concept?

My personal favorite would be to cover it in synthetic shark skin but that would probably have only a limited effect and would most likely be really tricky to clean but it would be cool…… ok for me, the rest of the public would probably hate the fact that they couldn’t get the car in the colour/finish they want.

The range/cost issue would be helped by offering multiple battery sizes. I drive the freeway to work, and at freeway speed “range” disapears in a hurry. Offering more battery size options lets everyone solve the cost/range issue as best suits them.

I agree on multiple battery size options. Some people are happy with the current range, but there are a lot of people who WOULD buy a Leaf but can’t make the range work for them. The problem is that additional range means additional cost, so it is best offered as an option.
Keep bringing the base model price down and offer a longer range option, even if it only gets you a bit over 100 miles of EPA combined range, to start with.

Yup. And have it so that you can upgrade the battery like you can with the Tesla.

When every starts increasing battery sizes, I hope they continue to offer smaller battery sizes for the people who are fine with a smaller battery. Not much point it buying more than you need.

My list (in order of preference) would be

1) More range, offer two battery sizes (description below)
2) More powerful motor (at freeway speeds this would be handy)
3) More mainstream look

Everybody wants more range and lower cost, but of course there is a tradeoff, which I think could be solved by offering two battery sizes

The Bolt announcement created an expectation for 2x battery size, but if the Bolt starts at $37,500 that is $8,000 more than a base model Leaf. Some EV owners would pay that much for a bigger battery, but others will prefer an 84 mile car for less.

Dark tinted windows help the appearance of the Leaf.

Faster AC charging, 3-phase would be nice.
All homes here in sweden (and rest of europe?) have 3 phase as standard and it would be nice to divide the load of charging on all three

May also behoove them to offer a CCS version. (or an adapter)

Here’s my list of 5, starting with the most important:

1) Much lower aerodynamic drag. Sleek design results in “free” range. Sleek like the Tesla Model S or the VW XL1 or the Renault Eolab concept. Longer range with the same battery capacity means lower cost.

2) Larger battery pack, all under the floor, with more rear foot room.

3) Coasting in Drive when you lift your right foot, just like the e-Golf; and variable regen controlled by the driver, as needed.

4) Direct heating windshield defroster, and on the front side windows for that matter. Heat pump on all models, too.

5) Better passive air flow through the cabin, that leverages the aerodynamics of the car – the exhaust air can fill the low pressure zone behind the car and actually improve the aero drag. This would help in all seasons, and reduces the need for active (i.e. uses energy) cooling and heating.

Lower aero drag is always good – but there is the tradeoff to comfort and utility. I really like the roominess of the leaf. I like the idea of the volt, but at least the current one (2011-2015) is to claustrophobic for my taste. My guess is the leaf IS as aerodynamic as it can be an retain tne comfort and utility that I want. Else you get more of a sportscar shape (tesla or 2016 volt), which has better aero, but is less “roomy” and harder to load large objects into.

Indeed. The VW XL1 is an example of extreme engineering, sacrificing everything for fuel economy. That extremely low level cd (drag coefficient, or wind resistance) is completely impractical for a mainstream car. The XL1 even staggers the location of the two (front) seats, making it impossible to have a normal conversation with the person you’re not quite sitting beside!

However, as compared to the Volt, the Prius, and the Tesla Model S, the Leaf’s cd certainly could use some improvement (see link below).

http://insideevs.com/car-driver-aero-comparo-tesla-model-s-versus-volt-leaf-prius-video/

Great link, thanks, but I think their selection is not complete. If they added the RAV EV, Mercedes B and Soul EV, one would see the Leaf in the middle of the pack.

One takeaway for me is how good the Tesla is, which illustrates the value of engineering an EV from the ground up, rather than converting/adapting existing cars.

Don’t conflate low Cd with smaller frontal area. The Model S is a big comfortable car, and it has virtually the same CdA as the Prius.

By having a low Cd, you can have a *more* practical and comfortable car that is also lowers drag than the current Leaf.

Direct electric heating defrost yes and at super high power by the way. Since masses of electric power is what set ev apart from the ice cars you can as well profit from it and defrost at 10000 watts instead of 300 watts (something an ice can’t provide).
Ice enjoy free heat so ev should profit from its high electric power whenever they can to make a further difference.

The direct heating defroster requires far *less* energy than the units in most EV’s. It works just like the rear defroster, and the only change is how it is implemented, so you don’t see the lines.

The Toyota Prius is certainly not sexy, or mainstream in looks, however it has sold six million. The Nissan LEAF has sold 170,000 in 4 years, and I serious doubt the looks slowed it up much.

1) RANGE, RANGE, RANGE. Sure, offer two or three models:

a – the current 80 mile range (but throat means electrically limit the range to 80 miles and expand the battery to MAINTAIN 80 miles in cold and as it degrades. The Volt folks are very happy thinking that their battery doesn’t degrade !!!

b – 100-150 mile range (200km “real” range… Nissan would probably call this a 300km / 186 mile car)

c – 150 – 200 mile range (again, “real” range… Nissan would probably call this a 400km / 250 miles)

2) there is no number two

How about:

2) Add a CCS port. 😉

(Well . . . why not have both? I’m sure it wouldn’t cost much more.)

The CCS port would be in place of the J1772, so this makes a lot of sense to me.

The Leaf needs to keep a stand-out appearance. If you look at all of the hybrids, the ones that sell best are the ones that have a unique look. I know a lot of people always complain about hybrids and EVs looking ugly. But I think those people are a vocal minority because the market reflects something different.

Now, that doesn’t mean that the Leaf cannot be made more attractive.

As for the battery size. 125 miles would be enough to get mainstream adoption. As for multiple battery sizes, a lot of that would just depend on the cost difference between the two batteries. If it isn’t more than $4,000, I don’t think it would really be that beneficial. For example, at $2,000 I would imagine 99% of people would pay the extra $2,000 for more range. Of course, that’s up to a point. It also depends on what percentage of extra range. If that $2,000 doubles your range, heck yeah. If it just gives you 10% more, then that is another story.

They desperately need to revise the styling. Current design looks like some kind of weird pregnant Japanese space guppy. Normal people won’t buy a weird looking car. Make it look GOOD and it will sell.

BEVs shouldn’t be made to look like gas guzzlers. Form should follow function. The early horseless carriages were basically buggies with a steering tiller and a small motor bolted to the rear. By the time of the Model T, motorcars looked rather different. A motorcar shouldn’t look like a buggy built to be towed by a horse, and a BEV shouldn’t look like a gas guzzler with an ICE engine in front and a gas tank in the rear.

EV designers need to be bold in styling. I predict that in future years, the BMW i3’s design won’t be called “ugly”, but rather innovative.

Now, all that said… the Leaf’s styling doesn’t really appeal to me, either. But that wouldn’t stop me from buying a BEV that performs well and has a range well above 100 miles.

The front style of the Leaf looks great and unique. Only the back needs some more flowing appearance.

IMO the Leaf look much better than the i3 and the
i-Miev.
Different doesn’t mean ugly.

I drive a Leaf not because I think it is a great car but because it is the only EV that can seat 5 – there is no alternative.

If Kia Soul EV were around a few years ago I would be Driving a Soul EV rather than a Leaf, because it is a better car.

The Nissan Leaf has been successful because it did not have any competition. But now that more auto makers are jumping on the band wagon I expect to see the Leaf losing ground.

The Leaf is a great City car but useless and frustrating for long distance.

1) 2-3 Battery Pack options, smallest at 36-40kW

2) 12+kWh onboard charger. CHADeMO standard equipment on all models. SAE-Combo optional.

3) Better seats (wider and deeper) & more leg room (all around).

4) For the price range, it should have a better fit & finish of the interior. For instance leather seats should be fully leather. The plastic panels on the bottom of the front seats should not snap off when barely bumped.

5) A few more color choices – navy blue, and a Forrest/fern green would be great.

The body could have some better styling and lower COD; but as their EV flagship, the LEAF needs to remain distinctive. Would love to see an EV version of the Rogue and Maxima a few years down the road.

My own top five:

1) Give it a full size trunk.
2) Give a 15 KW Rex option with a 10 gallon tank.
3) Improve range to a true life 100 miles including a 30% winter time freeway speed range reduction and another 30% battery capacity loss after 10 years. So that mean a 204 miles range when brand new and normal conditions true life driving.
4) Propose an automatic charging option with secured contacts under the car or with an induction charger.
5) Keep same price despite improvements.

15KW would probably not be adequate. You’d probably be limited to to about 45 mph. Which, that’s fine if the goal of the range extender would be to be extremely inexpensive, small, and give you a “limp home” capability. However, that doesn’t make sense with the rest of your suggestion for a 10 gallon gas tank.

I think a 25KW range extender with a 4 gallon tank would make much more sense.

15kW is the power a Leaf consumes while going 60mph on a level road.

Just like the i3, a small Rex means you will require some reserve in the battery to help out on steep hills.

RANGE IS NOT AN ISSUE!
Our charging network IS the problem.

I would rather pay less and have a smaller battery and have access to a decent fast charging network.

Also, I don’t want more space in my Leaf, it is a small car not an SUV.

Here is my TOP 5 things a Nissan Leaf really needs.

1- Spray foam Insulated interior for even more silence AND lower heat/conditioner usage.
2- More regen braking from B mode.
3- Better navigation system with PlugShare database.
4- Ditch XM Radio for TuneIN radio and add Spotify and other music options.
5- Powerful LED headlights on all versions.

O.K with a better insulation, wayyyyy better. At -25c° cold air is just getting through like open door. Get any kind of heat recuperation fron the inverter, motor and sealed a thermal exchanger with the battery pack. Put some “Get ready” function that will heat the pack at the highest functionnal temperature and the cabin to the schedule time of leaving. Get some real GPS, that you can upgrade with accurate data. Put a better regen power that would allow a commplete stop and decent braking. Get those buble light out with some that produce less drag. Close all the hole in the bottom grill and get active shuter or use the wheel well to get or exhaust some air. Trow away your indadequate carwing that doesn’t even refresh automatically. Get some real over the air capability for adding any charging location without having to punch on the sleepy car display. Put more powerfull motor that can cruise more efficiently on highway. Give option of all wheel drive with dual motors, and a choice of battery capacity. 7.2 kw charging capacity and implement three phase charging as a standard in the J1772. Give the owner the choice of shutting off… Read more »

“Put some “Get ready” function that will heat the pack at the highest functionnal temperature and the cabin to the schedule time of leaving”

This really needs to be standard in all EVs. Optimize the use of that AC power when you are connected to it. Get cabin heated/cooled. Get battery to optimum temp. Etc.

“…7.2 kw charging capacity and implement three phase charging as a standard in the J1772….”

I gotta see that one. Please show us how to do that with a J1772 jack.

Since they already have the Chademo on the classier trim levels I don’t quite see the need.

Seems like things most people want here would cost much more money.

Perhaps Nissan’s secret with the LEAF all along has been it low manufacture cost since everything is very simple.

Three phase is everywhere in Europe and pretty much here too in any commercial utilitie.
I’ve read somewhere that J1772 protocol have already implemented three phase and it’s the way they are uses in europe.

Denying that range is an issue isn’t going to convince anyone to buy a plug-in EV. Maybe it’s not an issue for -you-, but it certainly will be for the average driver until two things happen:

1. The recharge time of a BEV gets down to 10 minutes or less, and

2. There are sufficient numbers of superfast-charge stations, distributed across the country (all countries), for drivers to be assured they can get a superfast recharge nearly anywhere, just as gas guzzler drivers now are assured they can get a fill-up nearly anywhere.

Nah, we don’t need those two things. And that’s good because we’ll never completely get those two things. 10 minute charging would require massive cables & connectors. And the utilities would hate it. I don’t see that happening.

What we need is just more familiarity, higher gas prices, and longer range.

Once people realize that you wake up to a fully charged EV every morning and that is much better than having to go get gas every few days and a 50 minute fast-charge every 3 or 4 hours or so isn’t so bad on the long trips then people will realize EVs are fine.

Range is not an issue? With these 83 mile range EVs, range definitely is an issue.

And I say that as someone that happily drives an ~80 mile range EV. It is fine most of the time. But there are a fair number of times I’d like to be able go longer. And a 30 minute fast-charge helps but it not enough.

I want 150 to 250 miles with DC-fast charging at the 100KW+ level.

We like the current design of Gen I Leafs. My wife appreciates the hatchback feature, and I don’t really see a need for the care to appear “normal”. An innovative design will yield a pleasing vehicle. As to range, a 100 mile range is more than adequate. There have been a few times for us that the range has been a challenge; the largest problem being the winter effect. I think a slight improvement in range– say 125 or so is fine. The key is charging infrastructure and the need for this to be renewable and convenient. Being able to predict and manage my daily energy needs and marry generation off grid from solar to on grid home demands, would be huge. Hydrogen is a non starter for me.

Dr. Miguelito Loveless

I think a distinctive look is important, some two-tone paint jobs would be nice. White and yellow trim, orange trim, electric blue trim, etc.

IMO a range increase would be great but only if the price stay’s roughly the same or lower. This jump in range could come from a 36 kWh pack and a Zoe style 15% range improvement to the drive train. If nissan came up with some novel thermal management that meant the battery could stay warm and work well in the cold but not degrade like crazy in the heat that would be good.

The other thing that I think would have a disproportionately big effect on the resale price of the leaf would be if there was a backward compatible larger battery pack. The “lizard” pack is a good example but it would be fantastic if you could get a version 2 pack into a gen 1 leaf especially if it bumped the range up by a 10-20%. Looking after your current customers is a good way of impressing new customers. IMO – other things that need replacing: – The awful sat nav, including adding in all the charging stations – google maps would be fine for me – variable setting on the re-gen, especially separating it from the power settings. I want all the power and all the re-gen. Not soggy acceleration and good re-gen or responsive acceleration but then limited “engine braking” – The looks, I don’t think it should look like a golf or other main stream hatch but the NISMO version available in Japan would work for me – AWD – 2 small motors would be a lot more fun than 1 big one and would give AWD re-gen – super capacitors, these have got to help, more power,… Read more »

An AC powered by solar cells on the roof isn’t a realistic idea. Solar energy simply doesn’t provide that much energy per square foot, even if solar cells could capture 100% of the energy. A rooftop solar panel could perhaps run the ventilation fan and the radio, but not much more.

Furthermore, solar cells are fragile. I personally wouldn’t want them on the roof of my car. They are too easily damaged and would look terrible after a few years.

Fragile and too easily damaged? How do you think they last for decades on people’s roofs?

I think if you used the whole roof you could get between 100 to 200W, that’s an irritating value its too high for a fan (unless you use a very inefficient fan) but too low for a fully fledged ac. You can get 12V fridges that are around that power and you can get pretty good flexible PV panels for camping.

I’m not thinking about stepping into a car 10oC cooler than the ambient temperature just enough to take the edge off it. I think the first step (i.e. a fan run by a solar panel) would make a big difference but you could argue that you could just use the main drive battery (or even the 12v battery) for a fan without the added hassle of PV.

Dr. Miguelito Loveless

They don’t have to provide 100% for the AC, just offest its power draw, even 33% would be good. Also, PVs are not delicate, I have seen them handle a bad hail storm without a problem.

Actually, Fisker Karma already proved that it’s a feasible idea:
http://exoticcars.about.com/od/guidedtours/ig/Fisker-Karma/Fisker-Karma-Solar-Roof.htm

I agree, there is the potential to do a lot more. The carwings app and the info system do need help, and truthly most automakers are sucking wind at this aspect.

Dr. Miguelito Loveless

A Carwings app that actually worked more than 1 day out of every 3 would be nice.

+1

Amazing car but sh*tty app, please nissan make it better I tell u where I charge, how I drive and gave u a whole heap if money the least you could do is fix the app.

A 48KWH Leaf is all that is really required for next gen, and it needs to beat the Bolt to market. Since all of the makers have ignored Tesla’s advances in charging speed, Telsa’s only real advantage is going to be delivering a 50KWH (approx) with the ability to access their 100-130KW DX* charging network. Since going DOWN in KWH will actually make the Tesla chargers look better (in terms of %), you can’t downplay this advantage. What Tesla won’t have this time is a first to market advantage.

My guess is:

Bolt first out the door.
Leaf NT next.
Telsa Gen III last.

It will be interesting.

* DX = Ham slang for distance, sorry.

Dr. Miguelito Loveless

1) Greater range, at least equal to the Bolt’s real world range, perhaps an extended range pack option.

2) Upgrade path for first gen buyers, or buyers of used first gen cars.

3) Take first gen trade in, upgrade battery packs and offer them on cheap leases to get more people INTO EVs.

4) better cabin insulation with a larger PV panel on the roof to help offset heating/AC usage.

5) Bigger onboard charger.

Here are two big enablers to increased sales:

1) Portable charge cord (EVSE) that is 120/240 V capable, not limited to only 120 V like it is now. So far only Tesla and Porsche come with 120/240 V charge cords. This allows installation of an inexpensive NEMA 6-20 or 14-50 outlet at home, and other locations like grandma’s house, instead of a $400-800 wall mounted EVSE.

Even better would be to design it for 32 A, instead of just 16 A.

2) A reliable network of DC fast chargers that owners can depend on to be working and available when they arrive. This requires regular maintence, and a minimum of TWO chargers per location. Otherwise the odds of someone using the sole charger are too high to keep your travel plan on schedule.

GSP

Copy the Tesla data visualization on the driver’s display. Actual kW, no fucking dots or percentages. All companies should do this.

Even on ICE cars. Look, sports cars have HP dials now. Tachometers are going away. We only have tachometers because there was no reliable and instant way to calculate HP. Now there is. Just replace the tach with a power meter. In all cars. And of course make the power meter logarithmic, like it should be.

Everyone has addressed the obvious, but here’s my interest:

1. Resale value. I’m glad I didn’t buy my Leaf (it’s a lease), because it will have lost 65% of its value in 3 years, and that’s after discounting the $7500 rebate. That’s about $550 depreciation per month for 3 years. You can buy 3-year-old Leafs right now for $13k retail – no thanks.

2. Battery degradation. More range would be nice, but my 12 battery is degrading at 5.5% per year. That’s 25% in 5 years, the length of a normal car payment if you buy the thing. No, it doesn’t live in a hot climate. Meanwhile, Tesla batteries degrade at about 1.8% per year – 1/3 the rate of my Leaf.

Twice the kwh should allow twice the kw without affecting C rate (and therefore battery degradation). Not a necessary change, but I’d like to see it happen.

liquid cooled battery pack.

Lots of good ideas! Hope Nissan is reading them. Some not realistic due to cost, but others are engineering; both hardware and software. My thoughts: S model small(er?) battery; SV larger battery; SL largest battery. Allow the comfort and convenience features in all the cars, or just basic upgrades in the S model I LIKE that people see my LEAF and know I’m driving electric. Looks didn’t delay my purchase, range DID. We also own a Tesla. Although the Tesla has a few features my LEAF doesn’t, my LEAF has features the Tesla doesn’t. We use the LEAF for (or ICE vehicle) for most of family driving and Tesla for long distance (or the ICE is charging stations would be an issue). Now that Tesla has most of their charging infrastructure complete, since they are on average about 140-150 miles apart in CA, their everyperson’s car with a range of 165 miles could be a realistic option. Nissan should work out an agreement with Tesla and develop a QC adapter for our use at Tesla stations. Hey VW and BMW are jointly installing chargers! Charging at Nissan dealerships should ALWAYS be free for LEAFS! Do I need to buy an… Read more »