2nd Generation Renault ZOE Spied In The Wild

OCT 11 2018 BY MARK KANE 42

The new Renault ZOE, expected in 2019/2020, is seen here in the wild for the first time.

Renault didn’t present any new ZOE – not even a concept – at the 2018 Paris Motor Show, although development is progressing at full swing.

Recently, a largely camouflaged prototype of the new ZOE was seen in France. The car seems slightly bigger, and is expected to have better performance (power, battery capacity), as well as more equipment. It’s also likely that Renault will be trying to implement many autonomous driving features.

What to expect from Renault ZOE 2:

  • Market launch in late 2019 or 2020
  • built on a new platform shared between Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance
  • slightly bigger than ZOE
  • 50 kWh battery instead 41 kWh
  • DC fast charging capability (CCS Combo 2) on top of 22 kW three-phase
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Doesn’t seem that different to me on the looks and size. Hopefully this also means that the base price will be 10-20 % lower than today, fingers crossed!

A little bigger, CCS DC and still 22kW AC sounds pretty appealing to me.

What I expect: 1-. The body will be mainly the same, only front and rear will change, so they save a very expensive new stamp machinery. Rear and front lamps, with LED technology. 2.- New interior design, with more features and improved quality. This will solve one of the main problems. 3.- New driving assitant technologies, probably autonomous driving level 2, maybe in a second fase. A neccesary technological improving. 4.- We can see new 5 bolt wheels, so the axles are new. Better riding and driving experience. The car was criticidez for comfort. 5.- I don’t think they will use a new platform, this must obligate to changes in the production system, very expensives for a mature model with 3-4 years of expected live. 6.- In my opinion, the electric system will not has relevant changes. The 40 kwh battery and R90 and R110 engines, are really solvent. Any changes probably could not be used in future models that will use a different platform and technology, so would be a waste of resources. 7.- Renault must be focused on the e-CMF and future vehciles based on this platform. Their development is critic for the future of the company and… Read more »

“50 kWh battery instead 41 kWh”

That will not be a success.

The Nissan Leaf with the 60 kWh battery pack will be on the market in 2019 (and other EV models).

This is a Euro only vehicle, 50kWh is plenty for such a lite, small vehicle particularly given the charging infrastructure across the continent.

Yes, I know that the Renault Zoe is only being offered in Europe.

I’m just saying that the Nissan Leaf with the 60 kWh battery pack will be on the market as well in Europe.

But much will of course depend on the difference in price of both EV models.

Recall that the Zoé is one size class smaller than the LEAF, and that the current 41kWh already has decent range, esp. for a small car that’s more likely to be used in (sub)urban driving than as a primary long-distance motorway car. 50kWh should be OK, esp. if they indeed add CCS charging for the trips.

41kWh is plenty for this cute tiny car. Larger battery will make it heavier and reduce it’s sportiness.

I don’t think it works like that. There’s no magic kWh size that determines the boundary of success or failure. The fact is, the longer the range of a car, the more people would be interested in it. As you increase the range, people who previously said “it’s not enough range for me” start to move into “okay, it’s just about enough range for me” to “that’s got way more range than I need”. But range is not the be all and end all. You have to factor in other things like price and features etc. A Renault Zoe with a 10kWh battery which cost 99p would be a runaway success. But a Renault Zoe with a 200kWh battery sold for £10 million would be a failure. It’s all about how much of the market would consider a given car suitable for their needs. The 41kWh Zoe already meets the needs of many people as it is priced right. It is definitely a success based on sales numbers. I’m sure a 50kWh version at the right price point, will also find success even if there a Leaf with a 60kWh option. The reason is because there are other factors that… Read more »

People still buy the Zoe with the old battery. Mostly people with EV experience I guess.

I actually hope that they keep on selling a smaller battery than 50kWh. Really, 30kWh usable would be enough and could be a couple thousand cheaper which is what really matters.

the big selling point of the Zoe is the 22kW AC charger – there are tons of 22kW AC chargers all over the rural areas, but hardly any DC chargers. So the Zoe is charging significantly faster than all its competitors on the countryside.

You live in Europe?? It’s a smal car 1 class under the LEAF, it would be stupid if Renault-Nissan just do two cars in same class for the beginning of the EV revolution.
Better Zoe bit cheaper and the Leaf bigger and more expensive with more features.

I own a 41kWh Zoe. I don’t need more than that. If it had a 60kW CCS interface and a little better driving efficiency, it would be all perfekt.

Even Tesla Model 3 SR will have a 50 kWh battery. And I think it will be quite succesful.

Great! I love my 2017 Zoe! 41kWh is good already, 50 kWh will be even better. Decent DC fast charging should have the biggest impact, adding truely long distance trips to all the other feats of this awesome car. Better performance?? It’s by far the quickest EUR 19k, 5 seater I have ever driven!

“EUR 19k”?

Where in Europe does Renault sell the Renault Zoe for just EUR 19k?

With rented battery that is the expected price.

Renault doesn’t have spare battery packs.

Renting the battery pack is a bad idea.

I recall that in some markets (incl. France) Renault used to only allow battery rental. Do they now have the option of buying the battery in all markets?

Yes, you can buy them now.

Now that is some truly spectacular nonsense.

Of course Renault has replacement batteries for the Zoe. Any fully assembled pack that can be put into a new car can instead also be swapped into an old one. Replacements have been and are still done whenever it is required, for whatever reason – you can find many such reports in enthusiast discussion groups and the like.

Renting the battery is a bad idea because it is significantly more expensive in the long run than buying. That’s all there is to it.

Offers in the UK are currently for £13k (ca. €15k – see carwow.co.uk for offers), and yes, that is with battery rental on top but still a stonking bargain.

Oh man – in Denmark the top model including the battery is 37000 euro :/

You need to vote in new politicians…

Same thing in Finland.

DC fast charging, finally! I wonder what the maximum charging rate will be.

100kW probably at minimum

Why? There’s no real need for that if the battery is at most 50kWh. Recall the cooling system has to deal with the max charge rate in a hot day.

Why not? Normal people want to drive instead of waiting for the car charging.

Well, my Zoe Q90 can already charge with 43 kW, So I guess the CCS will at least be able to charge with 50 kW.
The highest DC charging rate of my Zoe I saw was 36 kW if it’s empty.
But as always, as much more fast it can charge, as better it is! When I am traveling long distance and I need to wait for charging, every minute counts. If I am charging at home, it doesn’t matter. It’s always full next morning.

Active TMS?

Good question. I suspect there’ll be one, but maybe not liquid-cooled.

In 2025 vw has solid state batteries in its models.
Sulppose one buys a zoe in 2020 with 50 kwh.
4 years later your zoe is oldfashioned and under powered.compared to other brands having better range.
Question is ; What is rest value of zoe in 2025?????

better to go for leasing then

> In 2025 vw has solid state batteries in its models.

That’s a big if.

2 years ago everyone expected 1st generation EVs to lose a lot of value when bigger baterries appear. This did not materialise in UK. Worries about emissions and plans to create more clean air zones raised awareness and encouraged more people to buy second hand EVs pushing their values up.

I expect this trend to continue. Cars are not phones. Both the Leaf and Teslas have held up well on the Swedish used car market. On topic, the Zoe can’t compare to the Leaf. I’ve sat in most of the electric cars offered on the market and the Zoe is the cheapest and crappiest. Price and range are good, but that is where the praise ends. Other Renault cars are much better so I don’t doubt they can make a compelling Zoe if they want to. 50 kWh is almost too much if it is 50 kWh useable.

The value could be… I don’t know… that you already own it, instead of having to shell out significant money for a new car with very expensive solid state cells?

If the range is still enough, just drive it. If the range isn’t enough, then why did you buy it in the first place, cutting it so close that four years of battery degradation (very likely under 10%) renders it unusable for you?

Renault needs something bigger. I prefer my Fluence ZE, better car, saloon space inside, and now with new hired battery (22kwh from LG, 2.5 years waiting and finaly Overlease and Renault changed it).
Megane is nice car. If they manufacture Megane with 60kwh, sport, confort and eco modes with display onboard and diferent led colour interior, like 1.6 diesel i drove, so good in brakes, suspension, direct wheel drive….they will sell much more than ugly leaf2. Better Megane ZE, Zoe is right like now.

Why is it likely they will add several autonumous features?
It’s an economy model. Automatic stop: yes, due to EU regulations. At best autopark.. I don’t expect more.

Dmitry in New Zealamd

Unfortunately, still got those silly concealed rear door handles that you need to open with 2 fingers (more than that may not fit into the tiny corner hatches). It’s just beggars belief why both Zoe and BMWi have to mess with rear doors and make using them a pain in the butt (to use BMW’s you need to open front one too). I read the rational: “It makes 4 door car look like a 2 door! Woopie!”. Sure, It’s a sports car not a hatchback. Personally, it puts me off, because I prefer logic in design over lunacy.