2019 Jaguar I-Pace First Drive: A Force To Be Reckoned With

JUN 15 2018 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 261

Jaguar aimed to produce the first worthy Tesla competitor, then raised the bar in so many ways.

The brand-new all-electric 2019 Jaguar I-Pace is not an exceptional car. It one-ups that by being a truly extraordinary one. While it wears the Jaguar moniker, it’s fair to say that it’s representative of nearly everything an all-electric Land Rover could offer. Marrying this with the I-Pace’s sports-car-meets-SUV facade, athletic handling, exhilarating acceleration, and spacious, luxurious cabin makes for a true game-changer. Like any car, it’s not without its faults, though they’re few and far between.

As many of you know, Jaguar has been flying multiple groups of journalists to Portugal over the course of several weeks for the I-Pace experience of a lifetime. We’ll admit up front that the automaker put each of us up in first-class airline cabins with all the priorities and extras one can imagine.

We spent two nights in Portugal; one at an exquisite luxury resort in Faro and the other in a hipster-friendly bistro hotel in Lagos, complete with its own private vegetable garden and orchard. At both locations, the food was impeccable, the service was unparalleled, and even the most lavish of incidentals were paid for by the automaker. To say that Jaguar treated us like royalty and organized the event with the utmost care and efficiency would be a ridiculous understatement.

The automaker managed several teams of journalists with over one hundred cars in three different fleets (one red, one white, and one blue) spread throughout various areas of southern Portugal. It was a true mirror of just how dedicated and thorough the automaker must have been in preparing the I-Pace for launch. Just keeping all the cars charged proved monumental, since there’s nowhere in the area suited for such a task.

During the two days of driving, there was little we didn’t have the opportunity to experience. After departing the hotel for our first day on the road, we worked through stop-and-go traffic on cramped streets through several small towns and more roundabouts than we cared to count. The drive continued with a short trek on the highway, followed by hours of navigating narrow, winding roads up and down gorgeous hillsides. Our final destination was the difficult, 4.7km loop at the Autódromo Internacional do Algarve circuit in Portimão.

Day two was an incredibly scenic drive beside valleys and rivers on a well-paved road with plenty of room to allow the I-Pace to open up and glide seamlessly. As the trip wore on, the terrain changed to a long stretch of tight, unpaved gravel roadway.

Early on in our trip, we learned that Jaguar is all about surprises, so as expected, both days had a “secret” course mixed in with the charted portion of the drive. Day one found us fording a river and then climbing a very steep, sandy hill (on 22-inch summer performance tires). One the second day, we traversed a small mountain on rough, narrow dirt roads with incredibly tight curves, no guard rails, and the occasional deep rut.

The I-Pace took every bit of each task in stride. There was never a point that we felt it couldn’t or wouldn’t easily handle the mission. In fact, the I-Pace exceeded our expectations without hesitation, making us feel safe, secure, and confident at all times. This speaks volumes when we’re talking about a car we’d only been in for a matter of hours, especially when considering the ridiculous level of prowess needed to tackle such rigorous excursions.

The Numbers

We won’t spend much time here. While this was the first drive for many, Jaguar has been pretty transparent with I-Pace numbers for some time, which we’ve shared on multiple occasions. The all-wheel-drive I-Pace features a 90kWh lithium-ion battery pack and will achieve at least 240 miles of EPA-estimated range. It can tackle a zero-to-60-mph sprint in 4.5 seconds and has a top speed of 124 mph. Its dual motors combine to churn out 394 hp and 512 pound-feet of torque, and its drag coefficient sits at 0.29, which is the lowest number Jaguar has ever achieved.

In terms of charging, the I-Pace accepts 100kW or 50kW DC Fast with the CCS plug format, though its hardware is capable of more, and over-the-air software updates may drive the number up as high as 120kW in the future. At 100kW, you’re looking at 40 minutes for a 0-80 percent charge, whereas at 50kW it will take about 85 minutes. As far as home charging is concerned, the I-Pace comes with an onboard 7kW charger that will get you filled up in about 13 hours via a 230-volt outlet.

The I-Pace starts at $69,500. Keep in mind, we started our trip in the fully-loaded First Edition model with 22-inch wheels, which has an MSRP of $85,900. On the second day, we moved to the $80,500 HSE trim with 20-inch wheels.

The Details

Needless to say, the I-Pace commanded a level of agility not often found in a car of its stance and weight (4,784 pounds), though I will point out that the 20-inch wheels are definitely the way to go and we can only imagine that the standard 18s may be an even better choice for most drivers. Its instant torque and potent acceleration were enough that the car would easily get away from you if you weren’t in complete control of the situation.

Regardless of the terrain, the I-Pace remained composed and coddling. Even after nearly an hour of off-roading (we accidentally diverted from the intended course and found ourselves braving a much steeper, more treacherous, and ridiculously bumpy two-track), our bodies weren’t beat up as one might have expected them to be.

We rarely touched the brake pedal to engage the friction brakes due to the I-Pace’s strong regenerative braking. However, the roundabouts proved trying at times as locals didn’t like to slow down or stop as expected. The few times I had to brake hard to avoid an incident, I was impressed with the how quickly the heavy car came to an abrupt halt. The same was true of the brakes at higher speeds when we had to deal with sharp, blind curves at the track.

The steering feel was tight and predictable, not unlike any respectable European sports sedan. Despite the I-Pace’s raised stance, large tires, and massive weight, there was no obvious body roll and it was much more adept at carving corners than I had imagined.

The seats were some of the most comfortable and supportive I’ve sat in, as well as highly adjustable. We spent many hours in the car with few breaks over the course of two days, but I never felt an urge to stop and exit the car to stretch out. The shape and cab-forward design of the I-Pace afforded plenty of head and legroom in the front and rear seats. I’m not tall, but my driving partner, along with many of the other journos, was much taller. None of them seemed to experience any issues. However, entering and exiting the I-Pace required a bit of ducking strategy to keep from knocking your head, but once you’re in the cockpit, there’s an open feeling.

The I-Pace’s trunk provides generous room for cargo and the seats fold down to offer a more expansive area. With the seats up, the I-Pace offers 25.3 cubic feet of room. Fold them down and that number grows to an impressive 51 cubic feet. In addition, the I-Pace has a small frunk.

Notable Features

The I-Pace offers six USB ports, an adaptive suspension, adaptive cruise control, lane tracking, lane keep assist, a head-up display, over-the-air software updates, and a unique Dynamic Active Sound Design feature. The dynamic audio is a computer-generated motor sound that can be dialed up depending on your preference. While it’s difficult to explain, I’ll say that it sounded like a growing “whoosh” that mutated to more of a roar when you stepped on the pedal in its highest setting. For those who appreciate the silence of electrified powertrains, there’s also a noise-canceling “Calm” setting that makes the cabin increasingly serene.

The I-Pace’s navigation system informs you of what your battery level should be at your destination, as well as waypoints in between. It also offers convenient charging stations along your route and shows what your battery level will be at each location. The car’s AI learns your driving habits and factors in terrain, traffic, and weather conditions to make the most accurate determination of battery level. Although our I-Pace didn’t have the two weeks it takes to learn our driving habits, and we taxed the heck out of it on our relentless journey, we found the estimations to be quite precise.

Jaguar also offers an Adaptive Surface Response mode in the I-Pace. It’s essentially an off-road cruise control that handles difficult terrain. You simply steer the car and toggle the speed up and down on the steering wheel while it figures out how to manage the conditions. This came in very handy as we were lined up on a sandy hillside with our noses pointed skyward. Seeing out the front of the vehicle was virtually impossible, and the last thing I wanted to do was take my foot off the brake pedal and hope I could achieve forward traction. If I was unsuccessful, I would have rolled back into the trailing car. With the setting on, I just lifted my foot off the brake and the I-Pace proceeded up the hill almost as if it was on flat pavement.

The I-Pace includes a high and low regen setting. In high, you can drive in most conditions and situations with one pedal. The low setting is best-suited for freeway driving. The I-Pace also features a creep mode, which makes driving feel more like a traditional gas-powered car. When you take your foot off the brake, the car will slowly proceed forward without having to apply the accelerator pedal.

Finally, Jaguar took great care to address heat management in the I-Pace, which is critical when it comes to EVs. It employs three independent cooling systems to manage temperature in the cabin, the battery pack, and other related electronics.

Faults

It was honestly difficult to find much not to like about the I-Pace. However, every car has its faults, and our job is to be critical. My biggest issue may not actually impact many buyers. As I stated earlier, I’m a short man (about 5’5″ to be precise). No matter which position I chose with the driver’s seat and steering wheel, I still felt like the top part of the wheel and the curved section of the dash were obstructing my view. Added to this, visibility out the small rear window is subpar and the rearview mirror seemed forever dim. Thankfully, the backup camera was my savior. I experienced a similar issue with the size, position, and adjustment of the sideview mirrors, which made it awkward for me to see as much as I would have liked.

While the Touch Pro Duo interface in the I-Pace is not bad, especially for Jaguar, and there are much more arduous systems out there, I found it lacking for several reasons. The car has two touch screens – the top 10-inch screen controls most features in the car, aside from climate, which is reserved for the bottom 5.5-inch screen.

I found it taxing to search through menus for common features and had to take my eyes off the road often. On a few occasions during our trip, we had to pull over to search for a setting. At times, we returned to the road never having found what we were looking for. Even the setting for high and low regen is buried behind multiple menus. This was problematic since the high regen was not preferred once we entered the highway. Jaguar did tell us that while there’s no way to add a button for the feature at this point, certain controls may be moved to a more obvious location on the interface.

The bottom screen is nestled between physical dials for climate control. One would think that the tactile experience of still having some physical dials would be helpful. However, the pull-out, push-in, dialing nature of the controls was something that we never got a handle on. Additionally, every time I reached down to adjust the temperature, other settings kept changing inadvertently. Over time, I realized that as I was grabbing the dial with my thumb and index finger, my other fingers were resting on the 5.5-inch touch screen and activating various settings at random. Fortunately, the I-Pace’s Amazon Alexa Voice Assistant can be used to control many features, and according to Jaguar, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto will be available in the vehicle in the near future.

As with any new technology, a few days is not enough time to get properly acclimated. Over time, we feel confident that most I-Pace owners should become comfortable with the interface.

Bottom Line

The Jaguar I-Pace is a true gem when it comes to EVs, but, more importantly, it’s a fantastic car by any standard. Hopefully, people in the market for a vehicle of this caliber will realize what a game-changer Jaguar has created, and the automaker will be able to produce enough to keep up with demand and make an impact.

Our fear is that, like most electric vehicles, the car won’t be readily available or manufactured in very large numbers, at least initially. Let’s keep our fingers crossed that Jaguar has what it takes to beat these odds, even if it takes time. The automaker deserves to sell a wealth of copies of the I-Pace as much as the auto-buying public deserves to experience all it has to offer. Suffice it to say, Jaguar has successfully delivered us the future.

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261 Comments on "2019 Jaguar I-Pace First Drive: A Force To Be Reckoned With"

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“Hopefully, the masses will realize what a game-changer Jaguar has created,”

It doesn’t matter if the masses recognize this, as the masses can not afford an $80k car.

It wasn’t literal. I see your point, however. Reworded. Thanks.

I have to agree with you. The model 3 will already be the most expensive car I have EVER purchased and almost past my comfort level with the premium package and long range battery. Even the base Model 3 is a slight stretch for the masses, but it wins hands down in comparison to the other contenders as far performance/range/style.. for now. They will own the segment for a while as the others play catch up. It’s good to see others coming and hopefully they do well.

Slight stretch my eye. Get out of your bubble. A $50,000 car is way outside of bounds for the masses. Most of the masses can’t even afford a brand new car at ANY price, although many will go in over their head, default and have to turn a car back. I guess it still counts as a “sale”.

We can’t really say that the base Model 3 “wins hands down in comparison to other contenders” or “owns the segment” because it doesn’t exist.

After reading all the customer complaints about the Model 3, it looks like Tesla cut way too many corners to offset the cost of the battery and drivetrain. The Tesla forums are full of complaints about the interior, fit and finish, and excessive road and wind noise. What’s the sense in a whisper-quiet battery/drivetrain with all that road and wind noise? One customer said his Model 3 was louder than his Civic at speeds above 55 mph. Even the Civic is too loud for me. I’m sure I’d be very disappointed on the highway with the Model 3, even if the car exuded $40,000 quality inside and out. Our roads are a bit coarse down here in Southwest Florida.

Go to jaguarusa.com and build one. Only the initial production batch will start near this price. There are “base” models available.

“Hopefully, the masses will realize what a game-changer Jaguar has created,”

Actually I would say that is very correct even if they cannot currently afford one…
The masses once realized what game changes computers and big screen LCD’s etc etc… were and the rich bought them driving down the cost for the masses who by that time lusted after their 50″ big screen that is dirt cheap now days…

Good comparison.

A Model S P75 AWD costs 75.000 $. A Model X P75 D costs 80.000 $. And they haven’t the quality fabrication, finishing and design than the Jaguar in my opinion. So, if thousands of people could buy Model S and X for years, maybe other people can buy the i-Pace.

The X (and even the S) are far larger vehicles than the iPace. Jaguar is really in a niche market (midsize sedan, slightly crossover-like) by itself waiting for competitors.

With a short range of EVs in the market, I think the consumers doesn’t care about differences in size or type of vehicle. You can buy a Leaf, a Bolt or an I3 if you have 40.000 $ and want a electric 4 seats car. The important is to own an EV that people can afford and do what they need, and the i-Pace can do the same than a Model S P75, at almost same price. And if you like SUV’s but don’t need more than 5 seats, it can be an alternative for the Model X P75 too at te same price.
In the future with more than one sedan, more than one suv, more than one compact, more than one MPV…. people could focus their purchase on the type of vehicle and segment that fit better they needs, but I think today the most important is that be an EV, not what segment of EV.

Good points, however the supercharger network will break the tide. That is why Tesla has been playing a very smart game.

Other networks are quickly growing, including those that provide charging nearly as fast as the Supercharger network.

Or Electrify America which will be fasted then Tesla Superchargers when car tech is ready for faster rates.

Depends where you live I guess. Just checked for an update.
If I go out for about 75 miles from Raleigh, I have 6-7 superchargers. One is not official but has been working for years.

The only other quick chargers are primarily Nissan dealerships, Sheetz (which are expensive), and a few university chargers (UNC, NC State, Duke and Elon each have 1) – helpful but not usually convenient. Then there are 2 at AAA – one which is rated 2.4 by plugshare.

I have never seen more than 2 Chademo/CCS together.

So quickly growing? – not around here. 2 of the Tesla’s are less than a year old.

There is no way no how I am going on a roadtrip around here and counting on a quickcharging system that isn’t Tesla’s. 2 EV’s with 8.5 yrs combined ownership.

I just looked at the map, and Phase 1 of Electrify America has 3 routes around Raleigh that will have chargers stations. funny thing, I was just in Raleigh yesterday checking out one of my soccer player friends new homes… That is a beautiful area. Not too many people down there into EV’s or solar though. I was talking to the guy building my buddies home, and when I mentioned solar you would have thought I swore, he was skeptical to say the least. haha!

Keyword: *will*

as opposed to *have*

Patience my dear…. it will happen sooner then you think…

In the USA, CCS hass grown to ~1,100 locations in about 18 months.
In May, the first 4 locations opened, providing a mix of chargers providing 150kW and 350kW per car

The i-Pace has a longer wheelbase than both the Model S and the Model X, and on paper (and my experience sitting in the back of both the i-Pace and X) has more knee and headroom than the S and X. The wheelbase is about 7″ longer than the Model 3’s.

I now drive an unaffordable Cadillac ELR. It was a lease return. I love it. Maybe in five years I will be able to add a Jaguar I-Pace to the fleet.

The ELR is one of the most beautiful cars of the last 10 years. Every time I see one it truly stands out. Unfortunately, they only sold 2950 of them…

It sure does – and it still turns head from the girls even yesterday – haha…..They sold more ELR’s than fellow Head Turner Tesla Roadster, which I swapped out for my current ELR

Every time you see a Range Rover, Range Rover Sport, pretty much any Porsche an Audi with an RS badge or a BMW X6,7 or 8 all those cars would have started life at the I-Pace price point so whilst its not quite mass market …… it is a very big market all round the world (and getting bigger every year) …. plus nearly all of these cars are the highest CO2 emitters of their ranges ….. so I would say to displace at least 33k of these per year is a job well done.
Also it looks really great on 22″ wheels.

…….. plus when the new XJ (BEV) is announced this Autumn it will help consolidate Jaguars place in the EV marketplace

Well Jaguar is not exactly the brand of the masses

Wonderful write-up. Mine arrives in California in September. I’m so looking forward to driving it.

Thank you!

Congrats on your upcoming car!
Just want to also let you know we have a section of the InsideEVs Forum dedicated to the I-Pace, with threads and discussion already underway. We hope we can be a solid resource for all I-Pace owners (and fans!)
https://www.insideevsforum.com/community/index.php?forums/i-pace.37/

Hi Dru, just a matter of interest, what model of car will your Jaguar I-Pace replace?

I’ll be letting my kids drive my Bolt when I get the i-pace.

Dr. Miguelito Loveless

Hmmm… It is kind of hard to take this review seriously when Jaguar went so far out of their way to curry favor. I’ll wait for the Consumer Reports review, since I will know that they bought the car without special favor being accorded them.

Please understand that I am not impugning your integrity, and I greatly appreciate your candor about the perks of the trip. But it is hard to think that such treatment does not color a reviewer’s opinion.

It has nothing to do with it. To be honest, flying to Europe for 3 days, dealing with the airport and customs and ground transportation, barely sleeping, getting put on an extremely tight schedule, missing my kids’ last week of school, my son’s all-star game, my daughter’s birthday, and losing days of work, plus experiencing jet lag, made me more irritable than happy to say the least. I’m glad they took good care of us when we were there since it was quite a whirlwind to get it all to work. I didn’t think my first trip to Europe would be three days long (two of which were on an airplane or some form of transportation). But, all of that said, it was a pretty incredible car. I have read a wealth of reviews and the consensus seems to be the same across the board. You don’t have to trust my opinion, but I’m sincere. I did include a long section of faults because I believe that is more important than the pros.

Well IMO your section of faults overlooks the big one, which is the lack of charging infrastructure. Jag has made no effort here.

I live in an area where there are no Superchargers, as do many people. I also can’t buy or service a Tesla in my state. Meanwhile, there are many fast chargers near me, as well as Jaguar dealerships. So, for people that live in California, CARB states, or areas where Tesla is popular and Superchargers and Service Centers are plentiful, that is a fair argument. But, for others, it’s not the case. Oftentimes we get called out for reporting about vehicles that are only available in certain states or conveniences that only people in some areas can partake in. In this case, it’s the opposite. The I-Pace will be available nationwide and doesn’t rely on a network that is exclusive or not plentiful in some areas. Charging infrastructure is still the biggest concern for most people, but I would never say that I wouldn’t buy an I-Pace due to Tesla Superchargers. For me, the story is told the other way around. This is not to say that I’m not sad that Jaguar didn’t focus on charging infrastructure. However, being that it’s a first drive review, I focused on the car itself. Lack of infrastructure, while it may inconvenience people, does… Read more »

No doubt fast charging availability varies widely. The supercharger network is not as robust as I’d like for where I travel. Level 3 CCS availability is even worse. But, at least potential Tesla buyers can see planned supercharger locations and review Tesla’s history of adding them. With Jag, nothing, not even fast charging at dealers. That’s worth knowing if you are a potential buyer imo.

Will the car just rely on CCS in the US market? In Europe there are strong laws requiring all rapid DC charging to be CCS, or offer CCS at the charger along with other things (CHAdeMO). But I understand CCS is rare in the US? So maybe they will offer another option for the US market?

CCS isn’t at all rare in the U.S. In fact, given that Nissan is the only major EV maker still supporting CHAdeMO in the U.S. market, it’s looking more and more likely that CCS will become the true EV charging standard in the U.S., if not elsewhere.

The question is if and when Tesla will change its U.S. charging protocol to be compatible with CCS. Since Tesla has joined the European CCS consortium, it seems reasonable to think this may happen eventually.

CharIN isn’t European but international.

…and potential buyers of other vehicles can see planned chargers on Plugshare and other such sites as they’re added. And that’s before looking at the Electrify America map.

EVs simply need fast charging infrastructure if they are going to be road trip viable. If that’s not available, that’s a real con to buying that car. I think this should be critiqued any time that is not the case. Just because the Supercharger network isn’t perfect, doesn’t mean we should give other manufacturers a pass for having no fast charging solutions at all.

I think we should be pushing all manufacturers to expand their networks, and critiquing cars that have slow DC charging (Chevy Bolt) or where the manufacturer hasn’t figured out charging options. Jag could easily partner in the supercharging network if it was important to them, or they could invest in other networks, but as far as I’m aware, they’ve done almost nothing and that is going to negatively effect early buyers.

You mean like gas stations? “Ford gas station”, “Toyota gas station” and so on?
That’s a ridiculous idea. Charging infra should be standard and open to all, pay as you go. Tesla is the one being left out of the open network.

No I didn’t say that at all. Open standardized networks are fine.

If someone was selling a gas car in a country where gas stations didn’t exist, it would be fair to note in a review of that car that you couldn’t get gas for it. Similarly, the last of fast charging for the I-Pace is a real problem that buyers should be aware of.

Jag is free to take the route of letting someone else handle all the infrastructure development, but it means their cars will be constrained by the lack of infrastructure until that happens.

Or they can build their own network, collaborate in other networks (Ionity) or encourage third parties to develop the infrastructure. All of these options would shorten how long the I-Pace has to go without well developed infrastructure. Until that happens, the lack of fast charging infrastructure is a con.

Buyers should be aware that there is a charging infrastructure problem for most EVs. I can imagine that most EV buyers take that into account. Many people simply charge at home. Some have better access to charging infrastructure than others. The charging network has nothing to do with reporting on the “first drive” of the car. That is about its quality or lack thereof, its drivability, space, specs, etc.

The only issue I see is for the money it sure would be nice to be able at least drive it across the state of Texas. Currently you can only do that in a Tesla. So, I would have to rent a car for a road trip. I can see that if it were priced like a Focus EV but it is not.

And a change is not possible, i e CCS infrastructure in Texas?

I have been pushing for that but no luck. Even the VW money for fast charging Won’t make it possible especially in south Texas. Guessing at least 5 years out. Plenty of Tesla chargers to get to the border and even into Mexico now.

Phase 1 of Electrify America due to be completed in June 2019 covers as far south as Houston, but maybe not the southern tip of Texas… But Phase 2 has plans to get down there… June 2021 completion.

People were buying the Model S before the superchargers were available. Why did they do it?
This issue will just fade over the next 2 years. There are so many high power CCS chargers build everywhere. I think the US got a completely wrong picture of CCS because of the freak idea of installing them with only 25kW of power. That is what you would have in your home not on the road.

Agree 100%, charging is fast evolving…

Because there was no alternative. They were early adopters. And not that many people actually did buy them before there were superchargers – maybe 5,000.

Or they can rely on the existing network, where I live there are about 10 times more CCS than Tesla. Maybe the other way is true where you live, so I assume the car will sell better here

Please give location because I have not seen that anywhere (in the US) unless you count a Tesla location as 1 stall

In Florida, there are about twice as many CCS locations as Supercharger locations. There are about the same number of chargers of each type. Because Superchargers have two stalls per charger, and CCS has only one per charger, there are about twice as many Supercharger stalls, even tho’ there are have the locations.
Across the USA, there are about 1,100 CCS locations to Superchargers’ ~650.

The “la[c]k of fast charging for the I-Pace” is literally becoming more of a non-issue by the day. As it is, the biggest population centers, which tend to be where people who could afford a car like the I-Pace live anyway, already have decent and rapidly growing charging solutions and there really are only a few major gaps to fill (e.g. SoCal to Phoenix) to provide at least basic fast charging access to basically everywhere in the country. There are a number of initiatives actively working on expanding the various fast charging networks led by several different players. Sure, maybe JLR should’ve put the journalists in business coach and maybe thrown that difference at some chargers, but the potential return really is minimal.

Exactly… on the charging… I did not see Steven’s flight itinerary, but with many airlines international business is their first class… I am pretty sure Jaguar did not purchase Steven and the others an Emirates level first class suites, that come with 300 to 500 dollar bottles wine, on the flights.

Fully Charged’s Robert looked to be on a business or premium economy class flight in his video.

Delta business class. A bed and meals and such. Sky priority boarding. Nothing super crazy.

Thats what I figured, which is most likely how Jaguar employees get business travel, its a professional courtesy.

Spot on.

Tesla aren’t left out of the open network. What are you talking about!? They have ccs and chademo adapters!

Tesla is not comparable with CCS, and the other is limited to 50KW

For Tesla sold in the U.S., Tesla makes a CHAdeMO adapter. So far as I’ve been able to find by Googling the subject, nobody makes a CCS adapter for U.S. Teslas.

Perhaps it’s different in Europe, where Tesla uses a different charging protocol, perhaps more compatible with CCS?

It’s actually not any automaker’s job to build out charging infrastructure. Automakers didn’t build gas stations. Tesla is an outlier and I wish more automakers would follow its lead. But, unfortunately, it isn’t a requirement, and it surely doesn’t dictate the car’s “first drive” review.

You are reviewing the car to establish its use as transportation. Lack of good charging infrastructure is one very important feature, and should have been covered in your review. I am sure these will be nice cars. I am doubtful we will see enough to really make a difference .. that’s a shame. BTW Tesla’s can charge at SC or other chargers.

The charging infrastructure is a matter of where you live and where you travel.

Charging infrastructure is definitely a separate issue from a “first drive” review. There’s no need to keep repeating essays on that subject in every “first drive” review.

Maybe so, except the review does talk about charging infrastructure. It just oddly presents it as a positive (“doesn’t rely on a network that is exclusive or not plentiful”)

I didn’t include anything in the review about charging infrastructure since it varies everywhere. We also didn’t get to charge the car or discuss the situation since every journo was from a different area and my assignment was to write a “first drive” review, which is about the car itself. I replied to some questions or comments here, but purposely left charging infrastructure out of the drive review. The car will “drive” no different, nor will the interior be any more or less luxurious, nor will the I-Pace’s prowess change if you charge at home, in Europe, in the U.S., at 25 kW or 100 kW. Infrastructure is surely an issue among EVs, but it wasn’t part of my review about driving the car itself.

It’s a chicken and egg problem. Charging network will boom when there are enough compelling electric csrs like the i-pace.

…and when companies cheat on emissions and are forced to build it. And when utilities realize that it presents an opportunity for growth. And when states get behind initiatives to install chargers to enable people to travel within their borders. All of which are occurring.

And when Tesla really wants to save the world, they will change their network to a standard protocol.

Seems silly to build it the way they are. Doesn’t seem to fit Elon’s mission statement. Make more sense to give Tesla owners big charging discount, charge everybody else competitive rate.
Earn money to install more chargers. Just sayin’

But Tesla superchargers are not capable of charging modern EV’s like I-Pace which have higher voltage batteries

Charging infrasstructure has already boomed. What is going to be the issue in the coming years is occupancy rates.

Get back to reporter mode Steven…you’re not in Portugal anymore:
“The I-Pace will be available nationwide and doesn’t rely on a network that is exclusive or not plentiful in some areas.”

NO You’ve been TOLD, meaning Jaguar says, that the iPace will be available nationwide. That is just a foolish statement when you find out that over five states don’t even have a Jaguar dealership and at least another ten only have one Jaguar dealership in the entire state.
So tell us just how this vehicle can be made available nationwide let alone serviced in those states with no or very little Jaguar presecence.
We’ve seen this before with new model bevs …there’s no way this Jaguar will be sold in non carb stares this decade. Eventually the more populated non carb states, with Jaguar dealerships n service centers, will be able to sell the iPace in a few years.

The second half of that statement is even more ridiculous. The argument is basically “Great news! You don’t have to worry about fast chargers being scarce in some areas because we don’t them at all!”

Jaguar didn’t TELL us anything. But, Tesla cannot sell its cars in my state nor can I get one serviced here. There are also few Superchargers. It goes both ways. One dealership in most states is still better than none and if and when the car is produced in larger numbers, you will be able to order one in any state.

What state do you live in? It is illegal to buy a Tesla in Texas but you can still buy one online and pick it up at the Tesla store, get it serviced there or have a Ranger come to you for no extra charge. JAG Won’t do that.

Michigan

You can order online. It will be delivered to your door.

So, the Big 3 have even more political power than even the Texas oil companies and the Texas good old boy dealer networks? A shame the people don’t speak up more.

Steven, are you in Northern Michigan? Looking at Electrify America maps the southern half of Michigan is served with phase 1 but the North will have to wait for Phase 2, which is due to be completed by June 2021.

About an hour north of Detroit. You’ll see a sparse Supercharger presence there. The west side of the state has had them for some time. They’re creeping our way.

That’s incorrect. Looking at the map I see two Supercharger locations near Detroit and one to be built in Detroit this year. In total 18 Supercharger locations in Michigan currently and more being added this year. Each location has at least six charging stations. https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&search=North%20America&bounds=51.99235011413862%2C-69.39453125%2C36.12992551732272%2C-105.6494140625&filters=supercharger&zoom=6

@sustainable2020 so much like Tesla?

Steven,

There at 15 Superchargers in Michigan (the only state that prohibits Tesla service centers). That is plenty for travel all over the state. How does that qualify as “no superchargers in the area?”

I don’t yet have any near my area. I wasn’t talking about travel. But, if I went to my local mall, or traveled around my “area,” there are none. I could charge a Tesla or a Jag at many fast chargers in my vicinity, but there are just no Superchargers. And yes, we have no Tesla Service Centers, nor is it legal to buy one here.

Normally I think your comments and articles are pretty good, but this discussion about charging infrastructure is disingenuous at best. I just took a look at plug share and it seems like Michigan has a coverage of CHAdeMO, CCS and SC that would be suitable for distance travel. For local charging there are plenty of L2 EVSE. So to say that your can’t charge at the local mall because there are no SC, the same argument would most likely be true for CHAdeMO & CCS as well. If your mall has any one of these then, yes you personally are covered, but that is not the same as the general public, which is really what the context of the charging network comments are aimed at. If the mall had a L2 EVSE, then pretty much any EV available in the US can use that. Making comments like “not available in my state” when we then learn the state and see it is available, makes the comments very misleading and takes away from the credibility, especially after comments that the review isn’t biased because the manufacture paid all your expenses to review their vehicle. I have no doubt the Jav will… Read more »
I was saying that you can’t buy a Tesla in my state or have one serviced and that there are no Superchargers near my area. All of this is true. I was also saying that I didn’t base the review on the charging network or even cover that portion at all. I based the review on the “first drive” of the car. The only reason I even mentioned charging infrastructure was because another commenter began attacking me and others about how much better Tesla is and that the I-Pace simply sucks cause there’s no Supercharger network. I found myself having to moderate and then delete several of that person’s and another commenter’s nasty and even vulgar, repeated attacks. A third commenter that is already banned wrote me about 6 very terribly nasty books about what I can go do to myself and how terrible of a car the I-Pace is and wrote a wall of text about me being a pawn for Jaguar and a Tesla shorter and on and on and on. I was trying to work and shouldn’t have to deal with such nonsense and defend myself. It got a bit ridiculous, to say the least, as it… Read more »

Wow… It is surprising how many people attack the messenger, when your review is so objective. First drive reviews typical discuss what the car is like, how it drives, handles, feels, looks. Need a long term review do dig into the deeper issues like charging and reliability.

No superchargers … as do many people?
Really – in the US?
Define “many people”. I suspect Tesla should release a statistic giving the number. I suspect it would be 95% of all Americans live within 100 miles of a supercharger. I think they have released a similar number but I can’t find it.

Then when you plug in populations that could afford new EV’s and are interested in buying them, it probably gets to 99%.

If Jaguar is primarily interested in selling cars in areas without Tesla superchargers, they are not likely to be successful. So yes, the infrastructure matters. I don’t see a charging network anywhere in the US that is anywhere as close to robust and fast as Tesla’s. Future this and future that – why would I want to count on that? And why would I want a restricted $70k car? I am fine with our Leaf but not $70k fine – not when I could buy a Tesla.

Living within 1 hour of a supercharger is not helpful for most people, the supercharger has to be on the route you want to travel… Ultimately in the future, we need to have charging stations on all major routes, and not just the heaviest travelled. More then 50% of EV owners including Tesla owners never leave their EV range. I have at least 10 friends with Tesla’s and we talk about it. All of my friends still have an ICE car in their family as well, because they realize supercharging is not near as convenient as just driving an ICE car on trips over 300 miles. Tesla tubers make charging seem needed for the bathroom and fun, but the simple fact is its a major sacrifice. My wife never schedules her bathroom stops, and neither do the kids. The supercharger system is great now, but the CCS (think Betamax vs VHS) is the wave of the future, and will quickly make superchargers obsolete. also Tesla has substantially cut funding for Supercharger growth, so lets see how long it takes for the grey dots on their map to become red. I am guessing much longer then Tesla has projected. Tesla is… Read more »

Given the fact that there are twice as many locations in the USA with a CCS rapid charger, I expect that 90-95% of the population live within 100 miles of a CCS rapid charger as well.
Yes, infrastructire matters. There are twice as many locations with CCS as with Supercharger. There are fewer chargers per location, but, equally, there are many fewer vehicles using CCS. I expect the occupancy rate per charger is still higher with Supercharger, despite the larger number of chargepoints per location.

“…the lack of charging infrastructure. Jag has made no effort here.”

While that is a very important consideration for many BEV buyers, there are many other BEV buyers for whom it’s no consideration at all. A couple of years ago there was a survey which reported that 55% of plug-in EV owners have never used a public charging station.

Diff’rent strokes for diff’rent folks. I’m sure that many upscale BEV buyers will be very happy with an I-Pace.

Nissans Goshn guy said that fast charging is no concern for 99% of their customers. So this really might be overstated for a lot of people.

I don’t see someone buying the i-Pace primarily for commuting, unlike (IMO) most 40kWh Leaf buyers. This is a BEV that people will definitely expect to make long road trips in, given the form factor (mid-size SUV), class (luxury vehicle) battery range and price.

A Jag is usally used to show off parked outside a posh cafe during weekends. No long range needed at all.

Good point!
Too bad you Can’t drive it to the beach on the weekend. Say from San Antonio to Port Isabel. Or from Houston to Brownsville to do some across the border dental work and shopping.

Maybe its different where you live but folks round my way that spend at least $80k on a vehicle don’t just have one car. For most of the people I know that have ordered an I-Pace it will replace one of their ICE cars (me included), a toe in the EV water, with a brand they know and trust.
Quite honesty if most of them had to travel more than 250 miles in a day they would fly or maybe until they are comfortable with the idea, use one of their other ICE cars.
The Jaguar is there to help people wedded to ICE to make the transition to EV’s with the least amount of compromise.
At the dealership open day there wasn’t one EV driver so it does look like Jaguar are attracting a new audience to EV’s. Which has to be good.

Exactly, we are keeping our Lexus LX when the I-Pace comes, because we have a cabin in the mountains and I-Pace would struggle to get up there in 12″ of fresh snow, which happens a to us a few times a year.

Why would it struggle? The I pace is a marvelous off roader. Do you mean it would run out of range instead?

No, I mean driving through 12″ of snow in an EV with 6″ ground clearance under the battery pack is not optimal… The Lexus drives through it like nothing. I also have studded winter tires for the Lexus, and no reason to buy them for the I-pace… The Lexus also carries 7 people and is great for road trips. I am not going to waste our family or friends time at a charging station. Its paid for, and for what we could get in trade in value, its better to keep it.

At least some of the people who could even afford this thing in the first place do have a day job too.

Is that selection bias by the purchasers of Gosn’s EVs?

No, it’s spin by a spokesman for a company which makes a BEV with rather limited, inferior ability to charge en route.

99% of Leaf customers never charge en route to a destination, which means only 1% do? No, that’s an order of magnitude off! An October 2012 survey showed 89%, or 11% using public EV chargers.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1079936_forget-range-anxiety-chevy-volt-owners-have-gas-anxiety

I’d say that is a very biased comment to get the result desired. If you can’t DC charge, then it can’t be a factor, can it? Self fulfilling prophesy, it isn’t available so it isn’t needed. If the car can only go X miles then you live with that X miles. Give everyone a car that can go X+Y miles and see if they do that. If they don’t, then I accept your assertion. But for me the proof is Nissan has increased the battery size when it has been able to do so. Once we see the battery size stabilise, then we will know that is the sweet spot most people want. 60-100kWh appears to be about right, but I think pickup trucks Will need 200kWh so they can tow and go long distances, which is what a lot of these people will want to do.

Public charging stations are almost always either scarce, slow or expensive. Sometimes all three. People aren’t using them because they aren’t very good.

No. People aren’t using them because most charging is done at home. We’ve not plugged our i3 into a single public charger because we’ve never needed to.

Some of them may be expensive, but they are not scarce.
There are 350kW and 150kW per car CCS chargers lie in the USA right now.
Even the 50kW chargers are faster than being 2nd car on a Supercharger.

In Russia the rich are building their own superchargers and Tesla independent service centers because Tesla has not done it yet…
The rich can be better heard by politicians and are generally richer because they have out worked the masses and will undoubtedly help push charging networks forward…

To claim the rich are rich because they have ‘outworked the masses’ is sheer ignorance. Majority of poor to middle class people work their butts off 45+ hour weeks just to make ends meet. At minimum wage. I bet your average factory worker in India or China does way more work than your average millionaire. And they get paid a pittance.

Dr. Miguelito Loveless

Again, to re-iterate, I don’t question your integrity, nor claim you have done anything willfully deceptive. You have been open and honest about how you got there, how you were treated, and who paid. I question any review where the time with the car is so limited. I would raise the same issue no matter whose car was reviewed.

Agreed and understood.

Yes, yes, but you are being paid during those times and all your accommodations were paid for as well. There is no “blind” test of the vehicle when not only the jags given to you to drive were selected by jag but jag was also literally dictating and watching your entire move while driving and not.
You have to acknlowedge that anyone’s objectivity would be at least somewhat compromised in such conditions.

Why belabor the obvious? Steven deserves kudos for laying out in great detail all the “perks” he got from Jaguar for reviewing the car. This is typical of the lavish accommodations and perks that auto dealers give professional auto reviewers (see article linked below), but very few of them tell us readers just how they were wined, dined, pampered, and feted.

It’s the job in many professions, including careers as disparate as scientist and automotive journalist, to ignore any conscious or unconscious attempt to influence them with bias, and deliver an objective report. Of course that doesn’t mean that every journalist (or scientist) is immune to such influence, but it seems rather presumptuous of anyone to assume Steven Loveday isn’t capable of objectivity in his reporting.

I submit we should just thank Steven for his very extensive review, and the photos, and let it go at that.

https://jalopnik.com/this-is-everything-wrong-with-auto-journalism-in-one-fa-1670467787

Thanks, Pushi. I appreciate that. My dad worked in the auto industry for his entire life and he just commented that no automaker is going to put journos up in a seedy Motel 6 and treat them like crap. This is just what they do. I make every effort to assure that I’m just sharing my experience as I see it. There’s no benefit to me for saying the good over the bad. Another reporter that writes for a very Tesla-heavy site said primarily good things about the I-Pace as well but was also sure to mention how the I-Pace didn’t live up to Tesla in every single comment. That site and reporter also own a bunch of Tesla stock and push their referral codes. It’s not about that. It’s not about comparing or fabricating stories or being a pawn for the automotive industry. It’s not about trying to get people to use your referral code so you can win free stuff. It’s simply about trying your darndest to be an honest reporter and feed people the truth.

We need more journos like you, kudos on the well written and informative article.

Thank you very much. I appreciate that!

My objectivity was not compromised in any way. Believe what you want, but the negative comments need to come to a stop. You’ve been warned.

“My objectivity was not compromised in any way. ”

FWIW web sites are replacing trade journals. 20-40 years ago trade journals were pretty upfront that if you wanted your product positively reviewed you needed to sign up for a years worth of advertising. Usually that meant a minimum of a six figure contract. A dollar bought a lot more way back then.

If your objectivity was compromised then you really should be charging more.

It has been shown that perks do compromise people, that is why they are given. However, by telling us what you received we can judge what bias might occur and adjust. So, kudos for your honest review.

There are at least 100 reviews out there now on the I-Pace, and all have given the car incredibly high marks, actually . I am not sure I remember any car ICE or BEV that has gotten so many great reviews right off the bat. I did not hear or see one review, where they stated they had a mechanical problem, or a build quality problem. That is remarkable…

I have read nearly every review and I know many of the journos. Some are hardcore Tesla people while others are Tesla haters. A vast majority of them primarily cover ICE cars. The reviews have been collectively better than any other car I’ve seen in a very long time. I searched far and wide to find as many other “faults” as I could, but there just aren’t that many out there.

Did the hardcore Tesla people you talked to like the I-Pace experience? Seth, seemed to really like the car, you could read his body language in the Friday afternoon video, but then of course he played to his fan base as well.

One other non objective question Steven, you knew what you were getting into when you went having seen other reviewers videos previously, but knowing that, and going in with obviously raised expectations, did you personally feel the car delivered the goods?

They all liked it and some loved it. Yes, Seth seemed pretty happy, but he has to do his Tesla thing. They hold and push stock over there and moderate the Tesla Reddit. Elon Tweets their stuff all the time and it gets all over Reddit for huge traffic numbers. So, in his review, he had no choice but to take every single comment back to a Tesla-related comparison.

I made a point not to read the other reviews or watch all of that stuff until mine was done. I didn’t want to spoil it for myself or have other opinions. I watched them and read them all upon my return. That’s also why Eric assigned all the I-Pace articles to Mark prior to my trip.

The car surely delivered much more than I expected.

Yes, I can tell they are well connected to Elon, and good for them as that is certainly good for their business. When I first went to that site, I had no idea how Tesla biased it was, but I quickly learned. I think your site is much more objective, and you are doing a good job. Keep up the good work.

Its good to hear that the car delivered for you. I had a similar feeling when I went to see it in NY, even though I did not get to drive it, it just felt so well made to the touch.

Ummmmm….. Every major auto magazine and web site in the world gets put up in hotels and flown in by auto companies to review their cars except Consumer Reports…
So if that is all you feel you can trust feel free to wait for them but be warned there will probably not be enough iPaces sold for Consumer Reports to publish statistically relevant reliability data for quite a while…

I actually don’t get paid during those times. We don’t receive trip pay. It means I lose the time to write a number of other paid articles, which would be generating income. So, in fact, when I go on a trip, I lose pay and also have to pay for parking and other travel-related expenses that don’t get covered by the automaker or our company. If Jag or any of these other companies had not paid for my accommodations, there’s no way I’d be able to attend on my salary. Thousand of dollars in flights and hotel stays and food is not something I could ever even think about affording, added to the fact that I’m losing money and getting paid less while I’m away. Journalists don’t usually get paid overtime or a stipend to go on trips. If so, we’d just travel non-stop and never actually cover daily news.

Jaguar is spending millions of dollars to get the word out on their new BEV, in the BEV community we should be celebrating the fact that they are actually spending money to get the word out that BEV’s can have great capabilities beyond fast 0-60 times. Great Job Jaguar… They built a great car, and are doing their best to show it off, so buyers can understand what they are buying.

What… Are you somehow implying the car drove differently to how it will at launch just because it was a special press event and the nice jag employees told it to play nice?

Nope, not at all what I am saying, just the opposite actually. The production models will be exactly as Steven drove in Portugal, its just Jaguar is doing a better job then other EV producers to show real capabilities.

Great review.

No surprise at the treatment. Land Rover always has done things first class.

I had a Range Rover back in the day and there were amazing owner experiences where you took your SUV on a course with a country club lunch after.

I am on my second Model S, a Model 3 reservation holder (yep could have ordered months ago).

My wife’s MB B-Class was coming off lease in May and considered the iPace. She felt the Model 3 was small, took a look in NYC and DC.

She liked the Model X size, but not the price. She loves Jaguars (although never had one) so I checked the specs of the iPace. Interested but did not want to wait an undetermined amount of time and was estimated to be about the same price as a Model S.

So sadly she downgraded to a MB GLC 350e.
But hey, it is still a plug-in.

I think the iPace is going to be a good competitor in the range MB/BMW/Infinity/Acura Group. Which is great for competition and the environment.

Of course, what Jaguar is doing, is generating good will, that will result in positive bias for them, in that the negatives will be downplayed, and positives will be up played, This does not mean, the reviewer is dishonest in anyway. A reviewer should always distance themselves as much as possible from such influence. This is no different, than video game youtubers getting free games to review. Unless you’re a machine, it does cloud your judgement. I strongly believe, those who review games, should not accept free games from publishers. For example, let’s say I don’t like my neighbor, and everyday, he comes over for a week, and gives me a gift, and at the end of the week, he asks me for a job reference in terms of his character. I would be hard pressed to say anything negative. This is just basic human nature. We tend to be kind to those who were kind to us. Does it mean I’m dishonest? No, I will tend to emphasize the positive, and down play any negatives. Steven did the right thing in pointing out the good treatment he received from Jaguar, but this can never be considered an unbias review,… Read more »

I disagree… Steven did discuss some of what he considered flaws in the I-Pace in detail. Other folks that have been on this retreat have had similar critiques, but the one critique I have not heard at all is mechanical problems, or build quality issues, at some point you just realize this is a very solid built car with terrific capabilities. Its a game changer in BEV’s from the car standpoint. Now the charging and reliability are the next things to be tested.

Probably best I-Pace review ever. Thanks!

I appreciate that very much!

concur and I have read/seen most of them. I liked the negative points. I am planning on getting 1 in a few years too.

It was honestly difficult to find much not to like about the I-Pace. However, every car has its faults, and our job is to be critical. My biggest issue may not actually impact many buyers. As I stated earlier, I’m a short man (about 5’5″ to be precise). No matter which position I choose with the driver’s seat and steering wheel, I still felt like the top part of the wheel and the curved section of the dash were obstructing my view. ————————————————- I own a Jaguar F-Type with a manual transmission…and I understand what you are speaking about. I am not ashamed to say that I have a small black pillow placed on the drivers seat to give me a little lift. Works great! Advise to anyone looking for an I-Pace – test drive a unit with the 18″ wheels before you sign. I originally ordered my F-Type with the 20″ wheels, but a test drive convinced me to change to the 19″ wheels. We don’t have the best roads around here and at 40psi in the tires, the ride can be brutal. I look forward to possibly owning an I-Pace (or a Model 3) one day. GREAT REVIEW… Read more »

Good idea and thanks for the compliment.

As a short man myself, I found that tip very relevant. And my wife is just about 5′ even. When we go furniture shopping we reject many couches and chairs for requiring knee-hip lengths that we just don’t have.

Is there no seat adjustment to raise it higher? That is pretty basic stuff in a car. Or is that not sufficient? 5’5″ is not too short. 80-90% women, especially Asian women, are probably shorter than that. So is it a ‘guys only’ car ?

So long E-Pace, we knew thee well.

+1

Do you suppose it is coincidental that Magna is building I-Pace on the same assembly line as E-Pace?

Nice review. Good to see another positive review of the iPace.

Thanks, ffbj.

The short shrift given to charging and its effect on everyday livability of this vehicle, leads me to wait for a less ‘starry-eyed’ review. For instance, how will one handle trips of any real distance.

By driving to the destination. What else are they supposed to do?

For long trips, I suggest they use CCS rapid chargers, ideally the 350kW and 50kW chargers.
240 WLTP miles in 40 mins, at charger speeds of 100kW and up. It looks like it will be OTA’d to 240 WLTP miles in 34 minutes, relatively soon.
Remember, there are 150kW, 175kW and 350kW chargers for the Jag installed and working in the USA, right now. And there are twice as many locations with 50kW per car CCS chargers as there with 34-120kW per car Superchargers.
MotorTrend have an article on their London to Berlin trip in an i-Pace.

Great Jaguar I-Pace review

It’s encouraging to see Jaguar put that much effort introducing I-Pace to journalists in such a wide range of test driving conditions.

This car should be a home run for Jaguar if they decide to build in quantity.

Hopefully I-Pace will soon have access to a convenient & reliable fast charge network for those occasional long distance trips.

You should be thanking Magna International, not Jaguar.

While technically true jelloslug, I think they would not be doing it on their own.

Yes, a joint operation deserves joint thanks to both Magna and Jaguar. I’ve had a couple of Magna-built vehicles, and they do great work.

I think Jaguar was smart to sub this build and production engineering to Magna, it allows JLR to start work on their next model BEV much sooner.

“This car should be a home run for Jaguar if they decide to build in quantity.”
Jag is not a volume manufacturer. Their entire car output last year over all models was 94K units globally.
Certainly not at a $70K+ base price (ASP probably more like $90-100K).
I doubt they’ll be making >10-15K i-Paces per year in the initial few years.
Yes, I know about the large Waymo deal — nowhere does it say how many years it will be spread over.

I think Jag has the ability currently for 20 to 30K per year, and after that the market will determine how many they want. Jag is a well managed and careful company, they are not going to build a ton of cars they cannot sell just for the fun of it… I think we will never see more then 50K I-Paces per year, which is current Tesla X or X levels of production.

I’m pretty sure Waymo already order 20k of them, so they have some work ahead of them even before counting other sales.

Thats true, but I do not know Waymo’s take down schedule, and Jaguar is developing 2 other BEV’s, I-Pace is just the first, others coming in the next couple years. Magna has been adding onto the Graz factory steadily over the last couple years, so anything is possible I suppose.

Magna is a mature and technically adept organization. They will not scale haphazardly and create a multitude of fiascos like Tesla has done with the Model 3 launch. When mature companies like magna make a commitment it’s a real commitment not wishful guesses.
Magna knocked out several hundred high quality pre-production units that have been used by Jaguar to execute their flawless marketing launch of the I-Pace. You can be sure all of those pre-pro units that have been used by journalists are going straight back to jaguar and magna. None of them will be sold to an end users, eventually they will be scraped after they are finished examining them. Compare tha with Tesla who sold what were essentially pre-production units with unacceptable build quality to end users.

Andrew, the pre production units that Jaguar is using in Portugal are getting detailed and shipped to dealerships all over the world for display and test drive duty once they finish their marketing campaign. Jaguar mentioned this in their briefings.

Wow. Interesting approach. This is an outstanding rollout execution. They are squeezing the full utility out of these units. They must be essentially production cars. That make a lot of sense given the low volume initial production availability serving a global market. . If the stores will only be allocated 8 to 10 cars a month there would never be a test drive unit available. They are essentially lending each store one unit that cannot be retailed to ensure there will be a sample on hand all the time to demonstrate the I Pace.
I have been around the OEM world for 33 years. I think the team at Jag has done a fantastic job. I once ordered 20+ “long lead” pre pro units all of them were taken back and eventually crushed.

You are exactly right… Most OEM’s long term test the Factory Validation Builds, and then crush them… In the case of I-Pace the cars in Portugal are 100% production representative other then software which they will update before deliveries start on the production models.. Jaguar intends for I-Pace to relaunch the brand, and they spared no expense in design and development. Talking to my friends in the industry, they told me this is by far the best engineered EV on the market, and Jaguar is “betting the farm on it”.

Thanks, that makes total sense now. Jaguar’s management made the right move. They are small enough to pivot after seeing the ev trend as inevitable. Tata as done a great job as the steward of Jaguar and LR.
This is easily the most important vehicle of the year. Magna is well positioned now as well.

Last year, Jaguar made and sold 178k cars, globally.
Together with sister brand Land Rover, JLR made and sold over 600k cars.
Scheduled production in 25k/year afaict, but they could cannibalise E-Pace production in favour of i-Pace, as they share a flexible prodution line.

Another Euro point of view

Thank you for the article, very much enjoyed reading it. It is obvious by now that Jaguar i-pace is an amazingly good car, my only concern is that they may not produce more than say 20k-30k per year so that only a few will be able to enjoy it. Anyway excellent publicity for EVs in general. I am now very curious about the coming Audi e-tron and Mercedes EQ just to know if traditional car makers make outstanding luxury EVs by accident or because they happen to make cars for a living those last 100 years.

More like 10K per year, 15K tops. Jaguar is not a volume brand. Their entire global yearly output over all models was 94K units last year. They also make only expensive luxury cars, no low-end or midrange cars, so this isn’t a car that will significantly affect EV volumes.

I think the magic number is 20-30 per year, Jaguar has committed to 15K delivered in 2018, which production started very slowly in April.

For reference my dealer got 12-16 allocations for 2018, but Jaguar told them 75-100 for 2019, I think this gives an idea of ramp rate. With the interest Jaguar is getting for the I-Pace, I am certain they are talking to LG Chem and Magna about max production capabilities.

25k/year is the current anticipated rate, but its made on a flexible production line shared with the E-Pace, so E-Pace production could be cannibalised a bit in favour of the i-Pace.
If they need to up the production significantly more, they’ll need to re-think their production planning.

Given the reviews so far I am genuinely a bit excited as to what would be possible with a bev land rover. I know its the same offroad assistance systems but many of the ”normal” journalists have driven both and seem to genuinely feel electric is better

or a BEV G Wagon from Mercedes, that could be an awesome over indulgence.

Man, I wish they would buy into the Supercharger/Destination charger network. Talk about a ‘range extender’!

Tesla superchargers are not capable of charging I-Pace, Tesla superchargers top out at 410v, I-Pace has a 450v battery. Nobody is going to join Tesla, as CCS is the standard format going forward, and higher voltage batteries are the new norm.

Why not just use the 150kW and 350kW CCS chargers (already live and usable in the USA and Europe), or go to one of the 1,100 US locations with 50kW CCS?

“The Jaguar I-Pace is a true gem when it comes to EVs, but, more importantly, it’s a fantastic car by any standard.”

That is what it takes now to be competitive in the top end of the EV market. ICE car makers now how to come out with truly fantastic cars, even better than their ICE cars they build in the same market segment. This is great news for EV’s. The more companies who do this, the better. And every car maker in this market segment will eventually have to offer equally fantastic EV’s or they will continue to lose market share in this segment.

This same thing will happen down through more and more ICE car market segments, with the same impact. In order to be competitive with other EV’s in the segments, each car maker’s EV’s will have to be fantastic by any standard, better than their ICE cars.

Could not agree more, Nix! Particularly from the top end, why would anyone accept an EV that is less than a Tesla or Jaguar I-Pace?

The rest will need to step up their game, and that competition is good for all EVs.

A little faster, a bit more cushy, a big more paint shine, a bit more range, etc. etc. etc.

The real challenge is to make great vehicles like these at affordable prices.

I think the pressure is now on Audi, and Mercedes to follow with compelling vehicles, and because they kept a bit more traditional architectures, may have trouble matching Jaguar in capabilities.

Yes, the comparisons should be with comparable ICE cars. The more well-designed and well-executed BEVs, the better.

Great write up, Steven! I have been really impressed by the off road capabilities and love the sound when accelerating. I don’t even care that it’s artificial, it is a useful sensory feedback.

I know the trip was hectic and stressful… but it sounds like the car itself made up for that.

I have the same concern as you that Jaguar simply won’t be able to make enough – at least initially. (But that is a better problem to have than the alternative.)

I could in no way ever afford one, but I’m still looking forward to the release! The more desireable EVs out there the better!

Thanks, Wade. The trip was worth it for sure.

Let me help you out on the faults:

Instead of signing up with tesla supercharger network which has 10,000 charging spots worldwide capable of the 100kW charging that the i-pace comes with, they put on a four times as large CCS port that looks like my 2015 VW eGolf, including the plastic cover dangling from a plastic strip, reminiscent of blow up mattresses: https://twitter.com/mr_calico/status/1007737603305627648
So if you buy an i-pace today, its relegated to local use or neighbor town but not to go on a longer trip, in particular not at autobahn speeds, because existing CCS charging network is 24 to 50kW charging with a few higher power chargers coming up at the same pace or slower as the tesla network is being expanded.

Another design ‘feature’ is the frunk. Check out the ipace frunk https://twitter.com/mr_calico/status/1007737801150828544 and compare to model 3 which is already smaller than model X and model S: https://twitter.com/mr_calico/status/1007737961301983232

I love the writeup by the way, and the detail it has about navigation and waypoints. Note that I am very happy the i-pace exists, but I don’t understand todays ‘better than a tesla’ campaign which it clearly neither is, nor has to be. Its on arsetechnica, its here, its everywhere. What is the point? I am looking forward to test driving the i-pace, I want to experience its pickup, excellent suspension etc. And as it never is one shoe-fits-all, there are reasons why somebody would want this car over others including teslas. But more than that I expect people to want this over legacy gas cars.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

“Check out the ipace frunk”

That aint no frunk!
Can’t even fit an 8inch subwoofer in there!!!!!!!!!

I can’t see spending that much on it but I still like the car though.
😛

That’s because it was designed from the ground up not to have an engine in the front.
Why would you make the car longer just to put a bigger frunk in?
Soon all EV’s will be designed this way.

Agreed. Tesla’s look like they have a V6 or V8 under the hood. Cars like the Bolt and I-Pace show that space can be used for the passengers instead.

Completely agree. This is the proper way to design an EV to get the full packaging efficiency out of the total space.

That is the i-Pace radius with CCS chargers 50kW and larger. You can basically go anywhere even now. Even at 50kW you are not really charging any slower than at a shared supercharger stall. The number of 150kW and larger CCS outlets rises every day.
http://up.picr.de/32982515ak.jpg

That is utter nonsense. I have driven a VW eGolf from 2015 to 2018 and I know the difference. I have taken it past its 80 mile range waiting in front of a two-port CCS charger for a leaf to leave before being able to continue on my trip, and I got about 46kW charge rate. This is nowhere near the usability of the 118kW my Model 3 gets that I replaced that 2015 eGolf with in january this year. The tesla superchargers have 8 to 40 ports each, and I have done the SF-LA and SF-SanDiego trip a few times a year without having to wait to access a supercharger. I just plug in, go for lunch, come back, and its full. No waiting required, just plug in, and walk away.

How is a CHAdeMo Leaf blocking a CCS station. I can’t drive 50km into any direction without passing a CCS station. It is really impossible. This might be different where you are but I’d actually welcome that. Leaves more of these cars for where I live.

Wholefoods in the bay area partners with NRG and they typically deploy two Bosch charging stations that each have two outlets with a shared power source, one ChHAdeMo and one CCS where only one of the two can charge at a time. There also are a few DC chargers from chargepoint, but those usually are 25kW instead of 50kW to begin with. I have maybe charged 10 times between 2015 and 2018 on one of those DC fast chargers when taking the eGolf past its range. It was a fun adventure at its time but I can’t recommend it if you really just want to travel without having to worry about it. Tesla superchargers on the other hand are well maintained, have between 8 and 40 outlets, you get close to the 120kW unless you are sharing power when the chargers are crowded and then its more like 75kW for the first person that showed up and 35kW for the other one until you slow down anyways by filling up the battery to a higher state of charge and it balances out. Since Model 3 is so efficient in terms of Wh/m you add miles at a rate of 470miles… Read more »

The Model 3 only sustains 116kW and above for about 11 minutes.
Graph: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/supercharger-speed-116kw.107619/?utm_source=threadloom&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ed82&utm_content=iss12#post-2540001)

The i-Pace supposedly sticks at 100kW almost all the way to 80%, at a sustained 360 WLTP miles per hour (270 realistic “when driven like a Jaaaag” miles per hour)

I expect that when they are OTA’d to accept 120kW, they will run at 120kW to around 60%, or 430 WLTP miles per hour for ~25 minutes.

But as Steven has said this depends on where you live. Wherei live superchargers do exist but it limits the routes you can take. CCS stations are everywhere as seen on that screenshot. None of them is slower than 50kW and the faster ones are getting more each day.

The I-Pace starts with at least 200 miles of travel before needing a first charge, which is a pretty big radius that covers a lot of even more rare trips for most people. Then they can probably stop at any of the growing number of charging locations and top off while having lunch before continuing on their way. Maybe it’s not quite as fast as a Tesla Supercharger. So what? The Supercharger network is still glacially slow in comparison to using diesel or gas, so it really is amusing to see Tesla fans deploying the same FUD against other EVs that is deployed against EVs in general.

Agree completely with you, I can only imagine needing outside charging 3 to 5 times a year, but even if it was 10 times a year, charging is out there and available now, just not optimally as fast as we would like. Public charging cannot compete with Tesla supercharging today, but I expect that will change in the near future.

“…it really is amusing to see Tesla fans deploying the same FUD against other EVs that is deployed against EVs in general.” I’d say “saddening”, rather than amusing, not to mention more than a little hypocritical; and I say that as a Tesla fan. Yes, the Tesla Supercharger network does give Tesla owners an advantage on long road trips. But it’s only a matter of degree, not kind. Most drivers would not put up with stopping for 30+ minutes every 150 miles. Fortunately we can see that EV charging times are already coming down with every new generation, and battery pack sizes are going up. Charging times are going to continue getting shorter and shorter, and not just for Tesla cars. It may not happen for 10 or 15 years, but the time will come when EV charging time simply isn’t an important consideration for most car buyers. And despite what EV bashers keep insisting, BEVs don’t need to charge in 2 minutes to be seen as better than gasmobiles. 5 minutes would be fine. Even 8 or possibly 10 minutes may not be something the average car buyer will consider important, since you only have to wait for a… Read more »

Yup, agreed.
At > $80K, it’ll be my family’s primary vehicle. It can’t be just a commuter car.

I do agree with the writer. It’s a great car, although 2 days should be enough to write a bit about the charging experience. Easy to find? Easy to start charging? Charged at full 50/100kW? Any taper? Also would like to hear about efficiency at freeways, surface streets, offroad.

Sadly, due to how packed the schedule was and Jaguar having to rotate through three fleets of cars for multiple teams of journalists, there was no time or place for us to do any charging. In terms of the numbers, we are waiting to get data back from the automaker about how the group did with range and efficiency in various conditions, etc. Again, we were so overwhelmed by everything, this wasn’t something we were able to focus on.

This should be helpful on the efficiency, there are also links to other vehicles for comparison… This Data comes from the WLTP testing

https://ev-database.uk/car/1097/Jaguar-I-Pace

It’s got over 200 miles range. My neighbouring town is 7 miles away. You really should think before you type. Only a small percentage of the EV population live in the middle of nowhere where the nearest town is 100 miles away. Probably less than point one percent.

Agree, of my friends with Tesla, most have never been a to a supercharger station. I have only seen 1 friend go to the supercharger, and that was because the car missed the reed range, his trip was well within what should have been range.

Supercharger has around 10,000 chargepoints worldwide, running at 34-120kW per car, peak.
CCS has around 8,000 chargepoints worldwide, running at 50-350kW per car, peak speed.
CCS, today, in the USA, has 150kW and 350kW per car charging live in the USA.
CCS today, in the USA, has about twice as many locations as Supercharger.
Remember, if Superchargers are more than 50% occupied, charging speeds drop to 34kW to 108kW per car (first car onto a shared Supercharger gets the higher speed).

Gorgeous car! The first time i saw it in person about 2 years ago i was hopping the street version would look like the concept. To my surprise they did not change much. Really the only negative is the price.

True, its expensive… but most BEV with 90 KWh batteries, air suspension, and AWD are expensive.

Fantastic. I’m very excited to see another well-executed electric car joining the small, but growing, number of EV’s available. We bought an X, but would’ve taken a serious look at the Jag had it already been available. The missing link, at least in the US, is a reliable and easily accessible fast charging network that doesn’t have Tesla on the chargers.

It’s great to see an extensive driving review done “in house” here, by a member of IEVs staff! Here’s hoping this isn’t the last one we’ll see.

I haven’t seen a “love letter” review of a production EV this enthusiastic since the early days of the Tesla Model S.

With the superior off-roading capability described in this review, perhaps the I-Pace does deserve to be called a true “crossover”, rather than just a 4-door hatchback or a “liftback sedan” which has elevated ground clearance only for show. Move over, Tesla!

As an advocate for the EV revolution, I say it’s time to welcome the I-Pace into the winners’ circle, as a true contender for the very best in premium/luxury passenger car EVs!

Go Jaguar!

+1

Overall this article seems to be telling us that at least one automaker has learned from Tesla and is upping the bev game, in some respects, as a result. I applaud Jaguar for this excellent entry into the bev world.
However, many will be disappointed due to the low volumes Jaguar will build for the next few years and the limited areas it will sell them. No matter, it sounds like jag needs a year or two to fix the software n interface issues anyways.
I look forward to seeing n test driving one later this year as I reside in a carb state.

I think is most about the different rithm of USA and Europe. Here in Europe, there not had a really necesity of any electric car. The pollution regulations were accomplished by the makers easilly, and we lived with our petrol and diesel cars for years.
But in USA the advanced regulations about emissions specially in California, made a niche in the market for the EVs and Musk was very smart to view the opportunity…. and the future.
In Europe the regulations today are very restrictives, diesel cars are not so interesting, and the UE Comission, has important fees for the makers that don’t respect the emission limits. Due of this and the global evolution to the EVs, are accelerating the interest for the local makers to make electric cars. I think in 2-3 years all the makers even generalistics, will have at least 3-4 electric vehicles on sale.

“I think is most about the different rithm of USA and Europe. Here in Europe, there not had a really necesity of any electric car. The pollution regulations were accomplished by the makers easilly, and we lived with our petrol and diesel cars for years.”

That doesn’t jibe with the fact that more EV’s are sold in Europe. I think you confused California and the US.

Steve, how’s the ride quality? Do you feel every bump on the road surface? Is it like old Jaguar XJS insulated or like German breeds such as BMW or Porsche?

Coddling. We didn’t even have any issues on the roughest of roads. The 22s were louder and not as smooth, of course. The 20s were great. I imagine the base 18s would be even more like driving a sedan.

After reading this i am so glad I ordered 20’s

My takeaway here is that jaguar has spent more on marketing the i pace than gm has for any of it’s electric vehicles for a the last 6 years combined. I think it is pretty clear they are selling these at a profit and therefore have an incentive to sell as many as they can. I don’t see this being a CARB compliance car. I’m personally excited about the car and look forward to testing one out in person.

it is pretty clear they are selling these at a profit? Think again… or ask the analysts covering this segment

This is not a compliance car, JLR already has 2 more BEV’s in development… I-Pace is just round 1…

Yet GM has sold almost 200k vehicles.

Did Jag tell you how much $ they will lose per ipace? There’s a reason why 20k max

It’s not meaningful to talk about how much an auto maker is making or losing on a model this early in production. Auto makers aim to make an overall profit on a model over multiple years, not a profit during the earliest months of production.

Any so-called “analyst” who says “Jaguar is losing $XX on every car” is an idiot who is using kindergarten-level financial analysis, one who apparently thinks his readers can’t understand such basic concepts as the difference between sunk costs and unit costs.

Jaguar split the investment (sunk) cost of I-Pace with Magna, which was very excited to take on an EV project. This will get Jaguar to long term net profitability much sooner. For Magna, it was all about getting more EV experience, and now they have signed a much larger deal with a Chinese producer for their next step. Waymo also factors into the I-Partnership, although I am not exactly sure the terms of their agreement.

Good to see auto makers forming partnerships to defray the cost of developing their first PEVs (Plug-in EVs)! 🙂

But even if Jaguar had paid for the entire R&D cost themselves, it still would not be appropriate to consider the cost of R&D for the I-Pace in isolation. Some of the tech developed for the I-Pace will be used in future models from Jaguar, so a proper accounting should take that into consideration. That may not be how the bean-counters actually count the beans. But if we were to look at the situation objectively, then we would have to acknowledge that the financial cost for entering the realm of PEV manufacturing does create something of a barrier. It’s a barrier that every auto maker is going to have to pay to get past, sooner or later, if they want to still be in business when the EV revolution is finished.

Charging all that development cost to the first PEV model any auto maker produces gives a rather skewed, lopsided picture of the profitability of that one model.

Yes, I agree… Jaguar in house developed the drive units, and they are quite a clever design, these will certainly see use on other JLR products.

Do your homework… this iPace only charging option is 120V connection. That will take 4+ days to fully charge.

https://www.jaguarusa.com/all-models/i-pace/electric-vehicles/index.html

“HOME CHARGING

For optimum charging at home, you can purchase and install a Jaguar approved home charger. The I‑PACE is equipped with a 7 kW single-phase AC on-board charger, which can fully recharge the vehicle overnight when using a Jaguar approved home charger. Alternatively the Jaguar I-PACE can be plugged in directly to a domestic socket. While charging directly via a domestic socket is slower than with a home charger, it should be sufficient to cover the average daily commute of 30 miles if the vehicle is charged overnight.”

Not sure where you heard 120v only from but it is not correct.

7 kW L2
100kW CCS

But you can charge from a standard 120v outlet if you really want to.

you might want to call Jag sales person directly.

Because a sales person knows about evs? Lol…ok!

Hah! No thanks. If I go around correcting every salesperson that doesn’t have a clue about EVs, I will not have time for much else! 😉

I’ve talked to some of the sales guys face to face – the information flow was mainly from me to the sales guy.
I’ve also talked to some of the i-Pace technicians.
Btw, i-Pace sales seem initially skewed to the UK and EU – where 230 V is the norm for domestic power.

dinhh68: “Only option is 120 volts”.

I don’t know where you hail from, that is ridiculous. Obviously the I-Pace wants to be sold in the UK, and also continental Europe – they don’t have easily available 120 volts there. The UK has a reduced voltage ‘cord pack’ for power tools used in wet locations, but in the general case, its not really available.

Obviously a car designed mostly for Europe will run on 220-250 volts.

Great, objective review, Steven, I am jealous that you got to drive it before me, though. What did you think about the grip on the track?

But it doesn’t have the feature that drives full speed into concrete barriers or parked trucks, how could it possibly compete with Tesla?

Great review

Great EV model

The more new EV models enter the market the better it will be for all of us.

Jaguar could easily sell at least 50,000 copies of the Jaguar I-Pace per year (just if they would order Magna to produce them).

But I personally would rather prefer to spend that kind of money on a Tesla.

Though I can understand that other people would prefer to buy a Jaguar I-Pace.

The more EV’s on the road the better it will be for all of us.

We need EV models that will be produced in high quantities (100,000+/year).

Three persons gave me a thumbs down for my comment.

That surprised me. I did not expect that.

Did I say anything wrong or anything negative?

I appreciated your comment. Especially this part:

“The more EV’s on the road the better it will be for all of us.

We need EV models that will be produced in high quantities (100,000+/year).”

Don’t put too much thought into the thumbs up and down. There are a ton of jerks in these comment areas. Thanks, Benz.

“Did I say anything wrong or anything negative?”

I wouldn’t worry about it. Just about any comment can get -2, apparently for nothing at all, and I myself have sometimes received as much as -4 — even once -7, if I recall correctly — for comments which were entirely factual and neutral in tone.

Keep in mind that many, many more people read comments than post them here. Maybe some of them are just in a bad mood that day, or don’t like reading read facts they find to be “inconvenient” to what they want to believe.
🙂

This is the second i-Pace review i’ve read from the Portugal official presentation, the first was on a website started with the letter “e”, and boy, they take their Tesla glasses everywhere. There wasn’t one line of text without references/comparisons to Tesla, saying as conclusion that the i-Pace was no “Tesla Killer”. Really? That was everything they could take from the Jaguar presentation? What about testing the car for what it is and comparing with the remaining competition, mostly ICE models? There aren’t only Tesla cars in the Universe, you know…Jesus.

It’s like when that same website posted an article on the Renault Zoe and on the comments section, someone said that the Tesla Model 3 was a better car and would drain sales from the Zoe…WTF?!?!

Pardon my rant, but i had to take this out of my chest. Oh, and great work, Steven, i really enjoyed your article.

They should rename themselves to Teslalectrik.

Thank you.

I read that review you speak of and yes, they had their Tesla glasses on, but they were also quite complementary of the I-Pace car itself. I am for sure a Tesla Sceptic, and I-Pace lover (wear I-Pace glasses every day), but I got a few nuggets of useful data from even that review. For instance on the 0.29 Cd, I did not realize that Jaguar prioritized cooling more so then Tesla (which puts more air through heat exchangers creating drag), and also did not realize that the Tesla Model X generates more lift at higher speeds, which any automaker always tries to design as close to neutral as they can to get better freeway evasive handling characteristics.

The only non-factual comments on the “e”-site seemed to be about the size of the car. What lots of the Teslarati seem to neglect to notice is that the wheelbase of the i-Pace is a lot longer than the Model 3, and longer than the Model X and the Model S.
Lots of the length of the Teslas is in the bonnet/hood length, meaning you get big frunks and big boots/trunks. The i-Pace has a minimal length bonnet/hood – meaning a smaller more wieldy car, with no loss of cabin space – simply a smaller frunk, and a boot/trunk which is ‘only’ twice as large as a VW Golf’s

Well…they delivered.

We have a Jaguar store in the neighborhood and many of my neighbors have bought/leased them over the years. The only one someone held on to is the oldest, built back when Ford owned the company. The rest? Too many trips on flatbeds to keep or to replace with another Jag. If you’re going to take the plunge – it’s very tempting – LEASE.

I chose the i-Pace FE (First Edition). These are the Photon Red cars. Only the 2019 FE cars will come in that color. IIRC, the final price after all taxes and rebates in Southern California, is $84,400,
The FE is about maxed out on options, most options Tesla does not offer, like lots of passenger storage, hand grabs, head room in back seats, 20 way AC and heated leather seats, 3D top view, blindspot mirror icons, HUD, 825w sound w/Carplay and AA, adjustable shock dampening, off-road systems, crawl mode cruise control, unstuck-mode for ice, AdSR to handle mixtures of surfaces, brakes and cooling that are suitable for the power produced, one pedal driving, and the list goes on.

Total minimum price price for an available-to-order Tesla (Model S 75D) in red, with semi-deluxe light colored interior, and ACC and autosteer is $87,290 after all taxes and incentives in California. More if you’d like nice wheels. If you want a black car with black cheap interior the prices are about a wash with the i-Pace having a 84.7kWh of usable battery, and more than just plain AWD

I’m aware I did not compare it to a Model 3. But after 2 years, 2 months, 16 days after placing my deposit (a reservation is for a specific item at a specific time, Deposit could not be used due to consumer laws) I can’t tell you very much about my Model 3. Like when or if they will make me one. This is true for most people. You cannot “Tesla Order” a Model 3 today. You can order a Jaguar i-Pace. So they are not comparable as of mid 2018. More people have probably sat in an i-Pace, than a Model 3, and the i-Pace probably has more miles logged (1.5 million as of Dec 2017).

When the Model 3 is actually released to consumers, then comparisons can be made.

“, as well as waypoints”
Ohhh the envy! (Tesla still do not know the word waypoint)

Great review, as Model S owner (who doesn’t “drink the koolaid”), I have to wonder if excluding the “interior tech” and “supercharging” if this isn’t a better offering from Jaguar across the board than what Tesla is selling in the Model S. The wild card is likely “first year…or longer… issues”. As a comparison, I’ve always had a soft spot for the quirky i3, but even years later, I think that car continues to have issues and would be loathe to pick up a used one (which I’ve considered).

Thank you. Also, great share!

A “Jaguar” but manufactured by Magna Steyr.

As I understand it, Magna Steyr manufactures cars for a lot of companies, and has been doing so for some years. Is that perceived as bad? Or for that matter, perceived as good?

No mention at all about lack of charging network which is it’s biggest fault by far.

The lack of a charging network is a fault of the current situation surrounding EVs, EV adoption in general, locations, government, etc. (and Tesla is an outlier for the great job it has done). Lack of charging infrastructure is not Jaguar’s fault, nor is it a fault of the CAR itself. The CAR’s first drive has nothing to do with related infrastructure. It has to do with how the car drives, handling, ride quality, acceleration, how the car looks, how it’s built, its perceived quality, its interior accommodations, cargo capacity, seat comfort, technology, etc. I promise you that if you charge the car at home or at any public charger, all of its FIRST DRIVE FEATURES will remain the same. It will not DRIVE, handle, perform, or look any different. Being that we write for a global audience and everyone’s situation is very different, a first drive feature of a car doesn’t require charging infrastructure coverage. If you live in Europe, it’s very different than the US, especially in select areas. Every US state differs from the next. Rural areas are different from urban areas. Some people charge at home, others travel often and need to charge on the road.… Read more »

There are 8,000 CCS rapid chargers around the world, compared to the 10,000 Superchargers.
In the USA, there are about 1,100 CCS locations, compared to ~650 Supercharger locations.
In the USA, 150kW and 350kW per car CCS chargers are live and usable now.
Superchargers will offer 118kW for the first 10 minutes, then taper down rapidly.
Superchargers only offer 34 to 102kW when you share two to a Supercharger.
The i-Pace will run at peak rate to almost 80%, and you always get the peak rate on a CCS – you don;t share the charger.
That’s hardly a lack of charging network.

I’ve been following InsideEVs now for a year or so, and never felt the need to comment on anything, but having a read through the comments on here makes me feel like I need to address a couple of statements people have made. It might be a little long, so feel free to ignore… First off I want to thank Steven for his unbiased review. I’ve driven a few i-paces and have to agree with everything he’s said, good or bad. To me the i-pace has all of the benefits of an EV, tied up with all the benefits of a traditional premium/luxury saloon, the biggest one being perceived build quality and a feeling of solidarity. My first point is the people questioning Steven’s treatment by Jaguar. To me it shows a huge naivety within the EV community that this is even being questioned. One thing that I keep finding within the EV ‘scene’ is that a lot of people are suddenly interested in cars who otherwise wouldn’t be. I put this down to tech. It’s people who like to own the latest i-phone, people who love gimmicks and flashing lights, but don’t necessarily understand the goings on underneath and… Read more »

Bravo. Thanks for feeling compelled to comment. Hopefully, you’ll speak up again when you feel the need. I appreciate it.

Exactly, you nailed it. I used to comment but as you, I perceived that if you say something good about any other BEV but Tesla you will get the “Tesla Enemy” treatment (you became a Tesla Shares short seller and stuff like that). I love BEVs and I’m a real Tesla fan (my first test-drive of a MS somewhere in NJ might well be the main reason). Neverthless I have only owned hatchbacks or compact SUVs because that is the car shape that best fits my needs. So neither MS (large sedan) nor MX (goofy looks and rear doors) were ever an option for me. M3 ended up not being a hatch/fast back and Leaf/Bolt are the only viable options for people with my same needs/preferences (at least till MY is available) But then Jaguar comes out with their best product since the E-Tye, one that most reviewer’s consider the only “Real” Sport Utility Vehicle on the market (BEV or ICE), combining the best of Jaguar and Land Rover, along with fantastic looks , impresive build quality, nice interior and Off-Road capabilities, and some of us people happen to like it. Now could someone please explain me why liking a… Read more »

Excellent post! If I could up vote you x10, I would!!

It is hard to sell an electric vehicle those days for more than $70k and not get compared with a Tesla Model S specially in terms of range. Let’s see if the I-Pace will indeed prove to be superior (range-wise) to the Model S at a comparable price point.

I don’t know why there should be such hysteria over lack of fast charging – seeing as the car has a CCS charging jack as well as the standard level 2 jack (or, since it is 32 amps single-phase world wide, I assume it will have a j1772 jack for the north american market). I liked Steven’s review. If people can’t tolerate lack of supercharger operability then go buy a tesla. Public charging in my area is almost solely 6 kw with a few a bit less (2.8, 3.6, 4.6 or 5 kw) and a few 7 kw – but that is it. That is why I feel no inconvenience by *NOT* ordering the fast charging option for my Bolt ev. If you only need a few more miles to get home, the Level 2 stations do their job by getting you home. Most people who purchase the very, very nice I-Pace will have another car (maybe a Tesla) that they can take on long trips far from home. But with a 90 kwh battery – this thing should be able to do moderate travel all on its own, or with just a little LEVEL 2 help at the very… Read more »

When it has a charging network nation wide is will sell better, perhaps they should pay Tesla for the use of it’s charging network?

Tesla superchargers are not capable of charging I-Pace, Tesla superchargers have a 410v max, and I-Pace has a 450v battery, there lies the problem.

Although out of the price range of most people, I’m glad to see it is possible for even Tata to come up with a worthy EV. I’ll be glad when the Japanese and Germans come out with all types of EV’s priced under $40,000. We need more variety and better quality than what’s coming from Tesla. There’s no guarantee Tesla will still be in business 5 years from now. I wouldn’t take that chance.

BMW claims it will be the first to introduce an EV with a solid state battery. Toyota claims it will have a long-range EV with a solid state battery in 2022. Whatever the case, I probably won’t buy an EV without a solid state battery due to current recharging times.

I’ll be glad when Tesla comes out with an EV priced under $40k. Still the latest forecast is only another 6 to 9 months to wait.

Too bad about having to control basic functions through a menu on a touch screen. Simple tactile buttons/switches are so much easier and SAFER. The problems described in the article should be unacceptable in any vehicle at any price.