2018 Nissan LEAF Spotted In Japan


Just like with the Tesla Model 3, sightings of the next-generation Nissan LEAF out in public are starting to surface.

Hopefully, it won’t be long before we see the next-gen LEAF minus most of its camo.

Officially, Nissan says that the 2018 LEAF will be revealed on September 5 (September 6 in Japan where a special event will be held), but we’re hopeful to catch some further detailed looks at the LEAF ahead of that grand debut. The public debut of the LEAF is expected to occur at the 2017 Frankfurt Motor Show starting the second week of September.

These particular images were captured by Twitter user negi1. The LEAF prototype seen here is testing in Japan.

The next-gen LEAF is expected to be offered with two battery pack choices, one of which could be ~60 kWh. There’s no official word on pricing or launch date at this point in time, but we expect Nissan to do as its done in the past and put the new LEAF on market following its debut.  Expectation is for the model to arrive in December in the US, and shortly thereafter in Europe.

Recently we caught more images of the next-gen LEAF along with shot of the interior here.

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88 responses to "2018 Nissan LEAF Spotted In Japan"
  1. DNAinaGoodWay says:

    “we expect Nissan to do as its done in the past and put the new LEAF on market following its debut.”

    Really? Everything I’ve seen until now indicates it won’t be available until about December. I hope you’re right. Also hope you’re right about 60 kWh available at the beginning of sales. A lot of folks doubt that.

    1. Jay Cole says:


      We should probably qualify this, our expectation (and have been told as much unofficially) is that the LEAF will arrive in the US market in ~December.

      I guess its a matter of prospective on the timing. Chevy Bolt ~2 years from debut to deliveries, Tesla Model 3 ~16 months, LEAF ~12 weeks….which is practically immediately. (will add a note into the story about timing, thanks for noting this)

      Sidenote: Totally get why this is done – and it is not anything special to do with Nissan.

      The Bolt/Model 3 (unlike the LEAF) did not cripple those OEM’s sales of an existing product, those early debut only served to self-promote/stiffle other OEMs – attempting to cause customers to wait for their EVs. Business 101.

      No doubt if it was the 2nd gen Bolt/Model 3 arriving, you can bet the “new hotness” would not debut in the flesh ~2 years early while the “old & busted” soldiered on…one wants to wait until the very last moment if possible.

      1. sveno says:


        If they announced everything about Leaf 2 today, Leaf 1 sales would stop altogether.

        I don’t like this “business as usual”. I want transparency and honesty.

        1. Rob Stark says:

          I want peace in the Middle East and an end to poverty.

          1. RAV4 EV says:

            Good one!

      2. Jason says:

        From what I read, Tesla don’t do the whole model year thing, they just introduce the next thing at the time it is made, don’t see this will change any time soon and seems to work for them.

        How many ways does Tesla differ from mainstream auto manufacturers? And yet none of them seem to have taken any of Tesla’s ideas onboard. Will Nissan be any different? Even just true OTA updates would be a radical and worthy inclusion with this new Leaf. I am doubtful that will happen but just this one feature would swing a lot of nay sayers I think.

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          “How many ways does Tesla differ from mainstream auto manufacturers? And yet none of them seem to have taken any of Tesla’s ideas onboard.”

          The analogy between legacy auto makers and large, lumbering dinosaurs is more apt than may at first be perceived. Large animals, and especially very large animals, tend to evolve to fit an exact ecological niche. If conditions change, if the climate changes or if new species of plants replace the ones those dinosaurs have evolved to feed on, then they have an extremely hard time adapting to change. Generally speaking, it’s the smaller and less specialized animals that have a better chance of surviving significant changes in environmental conditions.

          The legacy auto makers have a lot invested in their business model, which includes giving every model unnecessary style changes every year, to constantly generate desire for the latest and newest. Also, their business model is tied to the independent dealership, a holdover from pre-internet days when potential customers could not find out what dealers actually paid for cars, giving the dealers’ salesmen the upper hand in negotiating a sale. Auto makers have “evolved” to fit their exact business niche, and will have great difficulty competing outside that niche.

          The winds of change are blowing in the auto manufacturing industry. Some of the dinosaurs will go extinct. Not today, not tomorrow, and not next year; but within 20 years, perhaps within 15 years or even a bit less, some of those dinosaurs will be dead. Those which survive will be the ones able to adapt and change.

    2. unlucky says:

      Two months is not long at all. I think that counts as right after.

      We’ll have to see about 60kWh on day one. LG Chem surely gave GM at least a year exclusivity on 60kWh car packs. So either the 60kWh pack won’t be LG Chem or it won’t come out until a year after the Bolt came out. Which is basically Jan 1, 2017.

      1. Joe says:

        I doubt LG would give any exclusivity.
        They provide packs to many car manufacturers.

        1. unlucky says:

          I’m sure LG gave at least a year exclusivity for that kind of pack.

          GM would ask, LG would give it. It’s not like anyone else was going to have a car ready to go in significantly less than a year anyway.

          LG doesn’t sell cars, they need a customer to make money. They’ll give a little bit to make business.

      2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        “LG Chem surely gave GM at least a year exclusivity on 60kWh car packs.”

        Surely not. The only special deal that LG Chem gave GM was the price on battery cells, and even that wasn’t exclusive. In fact, if I recall correctly, Jay Cole says it’s possible or even likely that Volkswagen has already negotiated a lower per-kWh battery cell price with LG Chem, because they’re going to be ordering in significantly greater quantities than GM.

        As the adage goes: “Build a better mousetrap, and the world will beat a path to your door.” LG Chem has that “better mousetrap” in the form of a lower per-kWh price on battery cells (altho Jay Cole says that LG and Samsung are in a price war, so I guess Samsung is trying hard to match LG’s prices). LG certainly isn’t going to guarantee any one of its customers exclusivity, when they’ve got so many other customers and potential customers clamoring for its new, cheaper batteries!

      3. MaartenV-nl says:


        Nissan has a battery production capacity at least as big as LG-Chem. An hold-over from the days they thought to produce 250k Leaf per year in the USA alone.

        And if they decide to use a third party supplier, they could also buy from Panasonic, more than twice the size of LG-Chem (without the GF production).

        1. RPadTV says:

          “Nissan has a battery production capacity at least as big as LG-Chem.”

          What are you basing this on? Nissan makes cells for its cars. LG makes cells for cars and a wide variety of other products. I can’t imagine Nissan having nearly the capacity of LG, but if you have numbers that say otherwise, I’d be happy to see them.

          1. Jeff Songster says:

            I think they have 3 factories via AESC… In Japan, UK and USA… they had loads of excess capacity. If cells are cheaper/better from LG… maybe they will buy rolls and assemble them into cells and packs in their factories. Will be interesting when we know more.

  2. Natthias says:

    Nissan will not participate in the IAA Motorshow 2017 !

  3. Chris O says:

    Looks like Model 3 will get some serious competition! Well maybe someday, this definitely isn’t it.

    1. William says:

      Never a wiser statement was opined by “Captain Obvious”!

  4. iwatson says:

    Nothing in the pictures I’ve seen make me want to wait for the new Leaf. Nothing says “WOW”. Is it just me, or what? I don’t even like the looks of it better than the old version (I realize it’s heavily camouflaged). Interior pictures that I’ve seen are equally uninteresting. Rumors abound that it won’t initially have the 200+ mile range of the Bolt or the 3. I also doubt Nissan will offer thermal management for their pack health. The IDS concept was much better looking in my opinion. Maybe when the wrapping paper comes off it’ll change my mind. Maybe Nissan will pull some surprises that are unexpected. But for now I just don’t see any excitement here!

    1. Chris O says:

      It’s not just you, that camouflage definitely does appear to hide a pretty boring Asian hatchback.

      I hope Nissan doesn’t expect to sell this at Model 3 money because it won’t.

      1. menorman says:

        I imagine that Nissan has their eye intently on the tax credits that are running out soon and are designing a car that can MSRP for $25k once that day comes.

    2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      “Is it just me, or what?”

      It’s definitely not just you.

      Of course I don’t know exactly what’s going on inside Nissan, but from the outside it looks like they’ve thrown in the towel on trying to compete in the BEV market. It looks like they’re going to continue to try to sell what they’ve already got, rather than improve it. Perhaps they decided the amount of money they invested in the Leaf, including building battery factories, was more than the income justifies.

      I hope I’m wrong; I hope Nissan will surprise us and actually introduce a Leaf 2.0 with a liquid cooling system for the battery pack. But according to every report, they’re not going to do that.

      It looks to me like Nissan has decided to let the PEV (Plug-in EV) market mature somewhat before they invest money in developing and building a second-generation BEV. 🙁

      1. MaartenV-nl says:

        They are launching their second generation BEV in two months.

        That is what you call it when the designers start with the experience from their first generation and a clean, empty sheet.

        And have 3-4 years to do the design work.

    3. MaartenV-nl says:

      It is not just you.
      While the Nissan engineers are talking about the empty sheet they got years ago to design a complete new car, and the 60kWh battery was all but officially confirmed nearly three years ago, some trolls in the comments keep telling it will just be a little refresh wit a 40kWh max battery.
      And then they start talking about Nissan dropping the ball.

      Nissan is doing what they promised years ago. A complete new Nissan Leaf II with a 60kWh battery and Pro-Pilot.

      The big unknowns are the second battery size (40kWh or 80kWh), fast charging capability, the looks and the price.

  5. Alan says:

    Whilst I appreciate it won’t appeal to many in the US, if they price the the car right and it does 150-200 miles and is practical enough, it will sell in bucket loads around Europe & most other parts of the world, shorter travelling distances and high fuel costs will make this compelling, not to mention most major cities in Europe will be stopping many vehicles from entering unless they are 0 emission.

    I’ll be taking one regardless of what it looks like.

    1. Alan says:

      Forgot to mention, this car will do the equivalent of between 250-300 miles for the same cost as a galllon of fuel in Europe !

      1. David Lane says:

        I’m hoping its a little bigger than the Bolt, but with similar performance. Hotness! (We have a family of four and we are tall people and like to go fishing and biking)

        1. David Lane says:

          I hope its available with roof racks.

    2. Acevolt says:

      Why would you chose this over the Bolt?

      1. David Lane says:

        Acevolt, I’m hoping its meaningfully bigger than the Bolt in terms of cargo space. A lot will come down to pricing too.

      2. Alan says:

        Bolt not available in uk

      3. facile says:

        For the same reason many choose a bigger car instead of a smaller car.

        1. Tom says:

          Same reason you”d buy a Golf instead of an A3. Same engine and chassis even. 10k price difference though. The Nissan probably carries an entry MSRP of under 30k or $7500 less then the Bolt.

      4. Jeff Songster says:

        Larger interior, more comfy seats, better quick charge specs.. take full advantage of the 100-150kW models… 30 minutes to 80% like Tesla… makes smaller batteries matter less. Love the new dash and Pro Pilot features. BOLT is nice but having owned LEAFs for 4 years now… I like them alot. Reliable, comfortable,versatile cars. Once they can do 150 to 250 miles on a single charge with a network of fast and regular chargers… why buy gas.

    3. Tom says:

      See also Japan.

  6. John says:

    I don’t get InsideEV’s excitement over the new Leaf. Nissan had a chance to knock it out of the park via range and styling on their Gen 2 Leaf and they failed, again. I think the only ones truly excited are Nissan themselves, their hubris has missed the fact that there are many alternative EV options in the same range space now, but even better looking. The Model 3 will laugh at the Leaf, they’ve known about the Model 3 for a couple years now and THIS is their big play?? What a joke..

    And by the way, I’ve owned a Leaf for over 3 years and it has been a really big mistake. I’ve waited for that entire time for an answer to upgrading my failing battery and Nissan won’t even offer that. Hope you enjoyed taking my money Nissan, it won’t ever happen again..

    1. David Murray says:

      Nissan took a risk with the styling of the 1st gen.. and everyone thought it was ugly. So now I think they are trying to be super conservative and make the most boring car they can, to compete with the C-Max!

      1. David Lane says:

        Yes, a C-MAX minus the internal combustion engine and the battery intruding into the cargo space is just what I want.

        Our 2015 Leaf is the best car we’ve ever had.

        1. menorman says:

          Sounds like you want a Bolt?

          1. David Lane says:

            menorman, would love to own a Bolt, yes.

            1. Brandon says:

              A hatchback style car is a popular choice for many people. It’s definitely got more utility than a sedan car with a trunk.

              1. David Lane says:

                Brandon, exactly! All my favorite cars are hatches or small vans. I dream of the Ford Transit Connect with three row seating as an EV.

                1. Tom says:

                  Stop it you guys. This is the forum where nobody is allowed to have difference budgets, tastes, or needs and all hail the mighty Elon.

              2. LS says:

                Except the Bolt isn’t very practical despite the hatchback. The Leaf has a very large cargo area given how small the car is. The Bolt is hopelessly tiny. Would not work for us (doesn’t fit family + stroller in the back).

    2. John Ray says:

      Why must all the Tesla fanbots show up every time there is any news about the new Leaf. They do nothing but trash a car they know little to nothing about. It’s a noticable pattern. Dump on the Leaf, pump the M3. Eventually, the M3 will have to stand on its own merits. I, for one, can’t wait to see how this plays out.

      And to this poster – if you have had a Leaf for three years, then you know the solution to your alleged battery problem. It’s called a 5 year/ 60 thousand mile warranty. Also, if you are telling the truth, you bought your Leaf after the battery problems on the early models were brought to light. My guess is that you don’t actually have a Leaf.

      1. John says:

        @ John Ray. I’ve owned a 2012 Leaf that was used with only 4k miles on it at the time. It now has 50k miles on it, and is down 2 bars. When I bought it in early 2013, there wasn’t a whole lot of empirical evidence of the battery degradation at the time. Oh, and at that time, Nissan didn’t have a position regarding battery replacement going forward. And good luck in early 2013 of finding out there anti-battery upgrade position at that time 4 years ago. And before I bought my Volt, my wife’s Leaf was the best car we ever owned, due to the fact that it paid us back via no gasoline and maintenance expense. That same $20k car I bought 4 years ago is worth maybe $4-6k now, not helped out by the fact that I can’t improve the battery range when it comes due for a new one. I feel short-changed having been one of the early adopters who helped Nissan stake their original claim in the EV market, but now kicked to the curb, and my gripe isn’t a rare one for early Leaf owners.

        Quite a long-winded diatribe for a lying Tesla fan-boy, eh? By the way, how the hell do you call someone like me a fan-boy when any idiot off the street can see the aesthetic difference between the Model 3 and the boring grandma car that Nissan calls the Leaf 2? Other than aesthetics, all we have to go on with both proposed cars are the track records and history of both companies regarding their first EV offerings. Comparing Leaf 1 with Tesla’s Model S and I’m gonna go out on a limb and predict the Tesla’s internals will likely be on par with it’s aesthetics.

        And for the record, I don’t plan on buying either any time soon, my original intent on driving EV’s was/is to save money going forward, not trade-up for endless car payments on the latest EV bling.

        The original Nissan Leaf was an outstanding car for it’s first couple years. Nissan sat on it’s behind while the rest of the world caught up. They haven’t recognized the gap has been closed. Hopefully I’m wrong and that bland, boring looking Leaf 2 will set the world on fire because at the end of the day I think EV’s in their entirety are beyond brilliant- they should all be competing against legacy manufacturers, not each other.

        1. John Ray says:

          Let me get this straight. You purchased a used 2012 Leaf in early 2013 AND forwent the $7500 tax credit. And now you’ve had it four years and not three. I can’t keep up.

          The new Leaf may be a boring, bland hatchback (your opinion), but so are half the cars sold around the world. Next time you are at a traffic light take a look around. How many sedans do you see. I’ll go ahead and tell you – practically none. Styling is but one, relatively meaningless (my opinion) element of a car purchase.

          Oh, and I can’t wait to see that Tesla initial quality on a car they have barely tested. Good luck.

          1. John says:

            I bought my Leaf USED (as I mentioned prior) with 4k miles on it (as I mentioned prior, hence USED). There’s no tax credit on USED electric vehicles.

            I bought my USED Leaf in EARLY 2013 (as I mentioned prior). It’s now 2017 and if you subtract 2013 from 2017, the remaining is 4 YEARS (as I mentioned prior). Which is how long I’ve owned my Leaf (as I mentioned before). The great thing about these threads is you can actually refer back to them for clarification (so you can follow, as you say).

            Now that we’ve re-established my 4 year experiential history with the 1st Gen Nissan Leaf (which at this point, I would think is probably a good bet I’m not lying about- I was making Christmas Trees before it was cool), I can, once again, point out my original point, which was that Nissan simply missed the boat. That’s it. Not much more. They could’ve matched styling with 300 miles range. But they didn’t.

            And I see lots of sedans where I drive, not sure where you are at, but there’s plenty on the roads here in Northern Nevada.

            And regarding styling- I drive both a Leaf and a Volt (as I mentioned before). Not exactly at the forefront of styling, which kinda makes it obvious that styling isn’t top of my list on reasons to purchase a car. Which is maybe why some patient folks like me are happy that a long distance EV can now finally look good- i.e. Tesla. What’s wrong with driving something that looks good, if it costs the same and performs as well (or maybe better) than the boring alternative?

            Your feathers are ruffled my friend, but remember at the end of the day, you and I drive the same car. Forgive my earlier sarcasm, I’m just playin’ with a fellow Leaf driver…

            1. Brandon says:

              One thing… whatever style EV, if it’s 300 mile range now in 2017 it would cost too much to be able to sell like it could if it’s in the 100s range. And that’s why I believe Nissan is going up slowly in range (30 kWh now, 40 kWh next year), like most automakers, because their aim is to offer a well priced EV that will sell best to the majority of car buyers.
              Battery prices are going down fast, so change is a coming fast in the near future too.

              1. MaartenV-nl says:

                Prices are going down at a predictable rate.

                And that is why Nissan decided about four years ago the MY 2018 was the best moment to launch their 60kWh new Leaf II.

                They learned from their own experience and Tesla’s failed launch of the Model S40 that 60kWh was the minimum for mass market acceptance. And 2018 would be the first year 60kWh would be economically possible.

                Guess why Tesla choose the same moment for their mass market entry?

            2. John Ray says:

              Yes, my feathers are ruffled. And it’s because I can’t click on a post about the new Leaf without someone – usually a Tesla shill – trashing it or it’s predecessor. Often the posts are full of misinformation if not outright fabrications.

              Yes, you probably got the worst of it. I get that the early cars had problems. However, most were leased giving ample opportunity to exit the situation.

              1. John says:

                Fair enough. As much as I’m frustrated by my Leaf I’ve had 4+ years of saving a boatload on car expenses. My wife only needs it for driving around our city, which it still does perfectly fine. For road trips we always have the Volt, the combination of the two is incredibly potent. And that’s considering it’s almost been half a decade we’ve been making 1st gen EV technology work. And we’re still going with those 2 cars for another 5 years at least. By then I will buy the most attractive EV available, considering range, performance, features, price, and aesthetics. You also seem to be one who values those things, there’s a good chance we’ll both be driving the same car again! Have a great July 4th and don’t let the haters get you down!

              2. unlucky says:

                It’s okay to make a car with major flaws as long as many people lease it?

                I don’t agree. And I don’t just say that because many of my friends bought those cars instead of leasing them.

                1. John Ray says:

                  The early Leafs had one major flaw and that was battery degredation. I am not trying to minimize this for those who suffered more than I. Hopefully Nissan has addressed this issue going forward even if they choose a different route than GM or Tesla. If you didn’t like the range, looks or price – those are opinions. Otherwise the gen one Leaf was a solid first effort and it’s sales bear this out. I expect gen two to dominate it’s category.

                  Sorry to start a flame war, but this nonsense has to stop.

              3. iwatson says:

                Hey John Ray, I also mentioned that I’m not thrilled with Nissan’s plan for Leaf 2.0. To give you some background I own a Volt and two Mitsubishi i-Miev’s Bought all three used! I like the looks of the current Leaf and the interior. I have considered purchasing one and even rented one for about a month when I ran over a truck tire with my Volt and it was in for repair. Several friends in our EV club have Leaf’s (Leaves) I really like the quirky looking cars (Evidence: 2 i-mievs). I do not own a Tesla and have no plans in that regard. I might consider the Bolt someday when they start showing up used. I’ll reiterate my point, I’m disappointed that Nissan hasn’t pushed forward. I’m sorry if that tramples on a car that you want to like! Believe me when I say “I want to like it too”. Maybe when the camo comes off and the details come out I’ll be proved wrong. I hope so!

                1. MaartenV-nl says:

                  What plans do you think you know about that you don’t like?
                  The complete new design?
                  The 60kWh battery?
                  The Pro-Pilot?
                  The undisclosed charging?
                  The undisclosed price?

      2. unlucky says:

        I don’t own a Tesla and aren’t looking at a Model 3. I did lease a LEAF. I do own a Bolt.

        There is plenty of reason to criticize Nissan here. It’s not just Tesla fanboism. People want to see Nissan jump to the fore on the normalization of EVs. The first LEAF was huge in creating adoption among the early adopters and true believers. And then the value customers.

        Now I want to see Nissan join in in the mainstreaming of EVs. And this car just doesn’t look like it does the job to me. Or at least it doesn’t lead the pack.

        I never had a battery problem with my LEAF and I’m not accusing the new one of having battery problems. But I do know plenty of people who did have earlier LEAFs than my 2013. So I’m a little leery of Nissan’s decision making on pack management. I hope Nissan does better this time and without any information so far I have no reason to assume they haven’t.

        1. John Ray says:

          What’s more mainstream than an affordable four door hatchback? Seriously? You people want the impossible.

          The Leaf will be built in four factories around the world including here in the U.S. With Nissan’s distribution network, they will put far more Leafs in the world’s driveways than Tesla can. The truth is that the Renault/Nissan alliance is the real leader of the EV revolution.

          I have a 2012 Leaf leased in October of 2012. I extended the lease once and then chose to purchase the car. The battery was replaced under warranty by Nissan three weeks ago. Nissan is an OK company in my book.

          1. William says:

            You are one of the lucky few to get to -4 battery status bars within the 60mo./ 60 K mi. Nissan Factory Warranty. You now have a much improved “Lizard” chemistry, that many 2011&2012 Leafs will never see, due to the prohibitive replacement expense ($6 K +) to existing owners. Nissan should give the first two (2011/12) Leaf model years, a battery replacement discount, as they degraded significantly faster than at least the last three model years. Come on Nissan Corporation, do the right thing, and extend the life of your MY 2011/12 Japanese Built Leafs, with a $ 5 K (out of the door) battery replacement consumer cost!

            1. Brandon says:

              Yes, I agree with your comment. There are many 2011 and 2012 LEAF owners (like me) that would appreciate a discount on a new battery from Nissan since the battery degraded but not fast enough to get the warranty replacement. I love my LEAF but will need to get another EV before this winter or for sure the next.

              1. John says:

                Brandon, don’t tell John Ray that, he thinks it’s ‘buyer beware’ and if you didn’t do your due diligence in 2011/12, it’s bullocks to you…

          2. unlucky says:

            The LEAF has tradeoffs on general crumminess, etc. that will not carry the car to a mainstream audience.

            You speak only of factories, but that’s just talking about how hard you can push the rope. To get to mainstream adoption is going to require spurring demand, not just making a slightly improved EV. And the minor changes to this car seem to indicate Nissan isn’t going to move to the forefront. They are going to ride the same horse they got here on.

            They’ve ceded the lead on broadening adoption. They’re not the true leaders anymore.

            1. MaartenV-nl says:

              Why do you think starting all over with a blank sheet is minor?

      3. Jim Bo says:

        +1. I’ve seen a few M3 and they are ugly ducks. No hatch, no dash. If that is the benchmark then Bolts and gen2 Leafs look fine.

      4. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        “Why must all the Tesla fanbots show up every time there is any news about the new Leaf…”

        “Also, if you are telling the truth…”

        Dude, if your intent was to promote the refreshed Leaf over the Tesla Model 3, then labeling Tesla fans “fanbots” and suggesting that a Leaf owner is lying just because he’s unhappy with his car… is if anything going to produce the exact opposite of your intent.

        I think it’s safe to say that if visitors to InsideEVs clicked on Nissan/Leaf-related articles more often than Tesla/Model 3-related articles, then InsideEVs would make more of an effort to publish more of the former and fewer of the latter.

        Regardless of which car you personally may prefer, there is no question that a new Tesla model creates much, much more excitement than a rather belated, and apparently only half-heartedly, refreshed Leaf.

        Nissan had its chance to dominate the BEV market. Muffed it.

        1. MaartenV-nl says:

          It is not refreshed, let alone half-heartedly.
          It is a true second generation design.

        2. John Ray says:

          “Nissan had its chance to dominate the BEV market. Muffed it.”

          This is exactly the kind of misinformation I am referring to. The horses aren’t aren’t even in the starting gate and yet the Leaf 2 is a failure and the M3 is a roaring success. Nonsense. You always accuse others of spreading FUD. Take a look in the mirror my friend.

    3. Joe says:

      I’m in the same boat as you with my 2013 Leaf. Lost 2 bars on my battery capacity after only 24,000 miles on the car. Went to Nissan dealership and they just referred me to Nissan corporate. Called them and they offered zero solution. Said I would have to lose 4 bars before they would do anything. 4 bars for those unfamiliar with the Leaf is a 33% capacity loss. They chose to not thermally manage their battery with a chemistry that doesn’t perform well under heat. That is a design flaw and a choice by Nissan to save money. This experience guaranteed I will never by another Nissan.

      Can’t wait for my Model 3!

  7. William says:

    I thought the earlier Trash Bag camouflage was the alluring “Leaf Look”, that was keeping me from making the final decision, on sticking with my Tesla Model 3 reservation. Now, my quandary has been resolved, and tomorrow Teslas Model 3 final countdown will be set in stone. Looks like Tesla will bring me aboard for keeps, with their launch details tomorrow.

    1. David Lane says:

      Congrats, William. I am sure you will love the 3!

      1. William says:

        I am really waiting on the Tesla Model Y, but Model 3 should be a temporary cure for my past 2 years, of Limping around in a 2013 Leaf. Nissan needs to bring some Tesla Model 3, or Chevy Bolt EV “WOW FACTOR” into their mix!
        I am underwhelmed, to say the least.

  8. Don Zenga says:

    No fancy design please.

    Just regular Hatch/Wagon with lot of interior space and a range as high as possible with the price as much as affordable.

    That’s what every one is looking for.

    1. Suso says:


      Not everyone needs a “wow factor”. If range is acceptable, the design is “normal” (with good interior space), and it’s affordable, then it will sell a lot…

      1. David Lane says:

        Yes! +2

      2. John says:

        Sure, understood. Buy what’s wrong with having a good-looking car while you’re driving around? It doesn’t cost extra for manufacturers to make a pleasing looking vehicle, it always perplexes me why they roll out killer looking aggressive concepts, and then end up producing timid and weird looking production cars.

        1. Brandon says:

          Ok… how bout some examples of good looking hatchbacks??

          1. William says:

            Good looking hatchbacks are found among the more expensive European brands. Volvo V 40 and Audi A 3 sportback come to mind. Golf GTE is passable in aesthetics as well.

            1. Brandon says:

              Yes, they do look quite nice. The Ford Focus and Mazda 3 are good looking hatchbacks as well.
              Compared to the gen 1 design, the LEAF 2 looks like a well styled hatchback too IMO. We’ll have to wait til it’s fully revealed to know it’s final appearance tho.

        2. Suso says:

          The 1st gen LEAF was indeed a bit weird, but I don’t see any problem with this 2nd gen ones. It’s not weird, maybe it’s not awesome, maybe it’s boring, not aggresive… But that’s the kind of car most people want.

          I don’t like to drive a car that is aggresive or too good looking so that everyone is looking at me. Being a “normal” looking car is a big advantage to me. That’s why I see myself driving a Leaf-2, a Bolt, or a Ioniq, but not a Tesla

  9. AndreiBuc says:

    It looks like the new nissan micra

  10. unlucky says:

    Where is this 2nd gen LEAF you speak of? I see a first gen LEAF.

  11. James P Heartney says:

    I doubt this is really intended to compete with the Model 3; more likely it’s going up against the Zoe (you know, best selling EV in Europe). From what I can see, the Bolt is largely a non-factor in that market is the european version isn’t even going to start deliveries till 2018, and then in small numbers.

    Here in the U.S. it could do well among people who want a normal-looking dashboard, from a company with a track record of mass sales. It’ll need to undercut the Bolt’s pricing though.

  12. Reality Check says:

    Looks pretty good. I don’t like cheap/amateur Model 3 car design.

  13. hpver says:

    Mostly I’m not too excited about the new Leaf. Might wait and see; might not.

    Meanwhile, I just got an email from Chevrolet offering $3k off a Bolt, on top of any discounts dealers give. I think this only went to current owners or lessees. And most interesting, the offer expires August 31. Perhaps an attempt to sell Bolts before the Leaf and other EVs come out? Not sure.

    Interesting times.

    1. unlucky says:

      I wouldn’t be surprised if GM is looking to capitalize before the new LEAF, Model 3 (and electric BMW 3 series, if that is true) come along.

    2. William says:

      $3,500 is an easy discount off MSRP this weekend on the GM Bolt. Most So. Calif. GM Dealers, with plenty of inventory, will do $ 4 K off if you press it, by shopping around.

      1. Mark.ca says:

        Just came from one of these dealers and found they didn’t even discount the fed credit in the lease just half. I got a reminder why i hate dealers.

      2. hpver says:

        Yup. That’s where I’m looking. $4K plus GM’s $3K makes for 7K off, and that’s before state and local rebates and the federal tax credit. Could get into a Bolt for about 22K when all is said and done. That’s hard to beat.

  14. Mr. M says:

    Good looking hatchback Form the rear, pretty normal from the Front. I’m excited! 🙂