2018 Nissan LEAF Two-Month Owner’s Review

JUL 26 2018 BY DOMENICK YONEY 121

Still a beLEAFer.

Kenneth Bokor is the co-host of the EV Revolution Show, which has a YouTube channel as well as a podcast, and a relatively new all-electric vehicle owner. His ride? A 2018 Nissan LEAF in lovely Jade Frost paint not available in the United States, which is a $395  option on the SV trim level here in the United States.

It’s now been two months since he picked up his car, and after driving more than 5,700 km (3,542 miles) over that period, he thought it would be a good time to make a video (above) about his experience thus far. And so he has. His video starts off with a bit of drone footage and we can see that the exterior of the car is unmolested and still looking sharp. Inside, the only alteration is an iPhone mounted on the dash that runs LEAF Spy — a program that gives a readout of battery state of charge and temperature, among other things.

So after two months, is the honeymoon over? Nope. “I’m loving it,” he says early on in the footage. Bokor is admittedly pretty light on the power pedal, preferring to stay in Eco Mode, and says he starts the day with a full battery and a readout that says he has between 270 km (168 miles) to 290 km (180 miles) of range. Despite a number of trips around, and even outside the Greater Toronto Area (GTA), he still hasn’t had to stop to charge to complete a journey. Yet.

This, he says, will change in the near future as he plans on taking a couple work-related trips that will necessitate picking up some extra electrons along the way. Quite familiar with the “rapidgate” situation —  the 2018 Nissan LEAF with the 40 kWh battery may throttle back charging speed depending on temperature — he already has a chart of ready that informs what speed the car will charge at depending on the temperature.

Bokor wraps up the video with a discussion of the costs he’s incurred driving the car so far. We’ll let you watch the video for all the details, but living where the price of gas is high, and electricity is relatively cheap, it’s fair to say he makes out pretty well. If you do watch this segment, you may notice that he uses a charger from Tesla. Although he doesn’t mention it the video, in the comments beneath he informs that he uses an adapter called the “Tesla Tap” to make it work with his LEAF. Enjoy!

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Had my 2018 Leaf SV since late March, and I’m definitely loving it.

And before the usual comments pour in here about a Leaf not having a TMS being a sin against humanity, or whatever, let me point out yet again that this is my second Leaf. If the no-TMS thing were anywhere near the universal problem some people like to claim it is, then I would not have made it through 5 years of ownership without losing a bar, and I certainly wouldn’t have bought a second one.

Part of the reason I bought instead of leasing, just to be clear, involved a discount through my wife’s employer. So PLEASE no one tell me I’m insane for buying and not leasing.

You live in the PNW?

I believe Lou’s in upstate NY.

LEAF discussion has been too much on the sole issue of multiple rapid charges. Which is not an issue 95% of the time. I’m more than happy with mine so far.

Exactly, it is an issue for certain users, not everyone. Lack of TMS simplifies the solution as well. No AC compressor to blow out (happens on i3), no coolant sensor issue on Volt (or rock breaking condenser causing expensive repair).

I would prefer TMS of course, but there is added complexity that will hurt reliability some. Tradeoffs, that if you don’t live in a super hot climate might not be important.

Nissan cuts it for margins, I imagine they knock $500 of their costs from the car excluding it (assuming they don’t have to pay a battery replacement under warranty).

” Lack of TMS simplifies the solution as well. No AC compressor to blow out (happens on i3), no coolant sensor issue on Volt (or rock breaking condenser causing expensive repair).”

The Leaf still has an a/c compressor for the cabin and condensers for both the a/c and inverter so most of the complexity and failure points your pointing out are already built in.

Not fair, because it wouldn’t be possible to use the *same* compressor. You’re pretending two non-redundant compressors are no more likely to fail than one. And that just isn’t the case.

I’m sure Nissan too will get a TMS from next year. And yes, it will be better. If there was an identical product on the market, only with TMS, and offered at a price that just covered the cost of the TMS and the same return on that as the rest of the car, maybe it would be “crazy” to buy the one without TMS. But that isn’t the case either.

The LEAF is a competitive offering for a lot of customers. Certainly not a bad buy for the many many households who are beginning to adopt EVs and will get one – while also keeping an ICE. As a daily driver, the LEAF is a very good choice for a LOT of people, at least if they don’t live in a hell-hole of a hotspot on this globe. In which case they should move anyway 😀

I don’t know what cooling design Nissan will chose; but Model 3 for example uses one refrigerant loop (feeding two glycol loops) for all power train components. If Nissan chooses a similar design, adding active TMS for the battery indeed shouldn’t make much of a difference to reliability.

We should also take into consideration that as Nissan’s sale of AESC fell through, as well as the general volatility on the EV battery market currently, that we can’t say when the 60 kWh/TMS Leaf will be available. Or for that matter which supplier they will use. LG Chem is assumed but they can appearently not even produce enough packs to meet demand for Hyundai’s EVs…

“Not fair, because it wouldn’t be possible to use the *same* compressor. ”

No, only one is needed. See Volt, Tesla, etc.

If all future Leafs lack TMS and accelerate bit slower than 4 year old SparkEV, your Leaf not having it is not as much a problem for die-hard Nissan fans. But new Leaf that’s better in every way is coming in just few months. Why buy (or lease) Leaf now? I know some can’t resist the instant gratification with stale cookie, but it’s better to wait for much better tasting fresh baked cookies later.

And even if you wanted the stale cookie, waiting for fresh ones will likely have even more savings for rotting ones. When the new cookie is out, rotting ones will really smell bad, and they’ll be almost giving them away.

Public service announcement: like with FCEV, stay away from today’s Leaf.

Wow, what a ridiculously false equivalency (between the 150-mile Leaf and FCEVs).

Comparison is that both cars are obsolete in short time, not the range nor that they both have 4 wheels of different tire sizes.

Well Nissan has been selling the Leaf globally since 2010 with over 340,000 of them sold and another new version coming in 2019. Is that obsolescence?

There are more than a few here, in the IEVs audience, that think that Nissan, with its Leaf, can realistically be the first to reach the global EV 500k production and sales threshold, for an EV sold globally.

Of course, that is with many more previous years, of actually manufacturing different Leaf itinerations and offerings (24kWh, 30kWh, 40kWh, and a potentially 2019 60kWh).

Hopefully, the Tesla Model 3, can quickly scale its lofty production ramp up, and give the Nissan Leaf a run for the money, in what will be seen as one of the many hIstoric EV production – sales benchmarks and goalposts, going forward.

Yes. All current Leaf without TMS and snail like acceleration are obsolete. Just because there are few junkers still rolling around doens’t mean anything. Nissan said it loud and clear: future is TMS.

0-15 or 20 mph (to cross an intersection) in non-ECO mode is quicker than probably 99% of the passenger gasser ICEs* out there. Especially with the newer (2018+) motors.

And why would someone buy a 2018 now? Price, timing, deals, sufficient range, compatible climate, etc. Who knows WHEN the 2019 will come out and WHAT the PRICE PREMIUM will be for a 50% larger battery than the 2018? No one outside of Nissan!

* perhaps these two or three words could be combined into a portmanteau: passingassers.

How many times do I have to say this obvious fact? When new and better in every way 2019 is out, old junker of a car without TMS 2018 will be severely discounted to get rid of the old stock. Buying 2018 now means you’re probably paying lot more.

Osborne effect is real, and it should resonate with all Leaf shoppers.

If we followed this advice, I’d still have a rotary phone, a sinclair ZX81, B&W cathode TV… If it fits your purpose, then get the current Leaf, if you need more range, then wait or get one of the other longer range offerings, and start saving on gas now.

You can try, but you’ll absolutely NEVER be able to pry this here Buggy Whip, from my ICE cold, dreadfully Oily hands!

Lease the 2018 Leaf,
Buy the 2018 Bolt!

ENOUGH Said!

Oh, also under any circumstances, DON’T let BoltEV (was SparkEV), catch you DC fast charging for FREE, anywhere down in the OC!

Even for lease, it’d be better to wait. Non-TMS Leaf will probably be cheaper when better version is available and you get the option to lease a far superior Leaf.

Free charging SUCKS, but that’s more to do with Maven Bolts these days than with Leaf.

Speaking of free charging, the Leaf comes with it, the Bolt doesn’t.

Actually if I’m not mistaken, and totally wrong, GM has partnered with Maven and Lyft, to have a one price Lease/Rental agreement, for those drivers that opt in, that includes EVerything like charging, insurance, and maybe EVen routine GM Bolt maintenance. It’s supposed to be a totally comprehensive one price Maven/ Lyft driver deal.

You’re not mistaken, but that’s solely for Maven drivers. Average Joes buying a Bolt don’t get free charging. With the Leaf, they do for at least another year.

https://www.nissanusa.com/ev/media/pdf/incentives/nissan-leaf-incentive-604.pdf

Free charging is another reason to stay away from Leaf. It’s not really free, but baked into the price. That means you should free charge the hell out of it to get your money’s worth. When DCFC is clogged with Maven Bolts and other free charging Leafs, you are not getting your “free” money’s worth.

Unless your time is worthless, you’re wasting money with “free charging”. But with Leaf, you have no choice to opt out and get additional discount.

Free charging SUCKS!!!!!

Lmao

No, the 2019 Leaf will *not* be better in every way. The price will be much worse.

Waiting will probably get you even better price on non-TMS Leafs, especially leftover 2018 stock. In effect, today’s 2018 Leaf price is worse.

Waiting will *always* get you a better price, when it comes to high-tech items… Doesn’t mean people can always wait for the next price drop just around the corner.

Yeah, waiting 20 years will get you a great price of as yet unknown superior product. That’s not what we’re talking about. 6 months wait is guaranteed to have available far better Leaf and larger discounts on current crappy Leaf to get rid of the old stock.

Okay then. We’ll have to take TMS off the list and limit out anti-Leaf rants-on to the lack of a supercharger network and OTA upgrades.

I’m not sure whether you are serious or not; but either way, lack of supercharger network pretty much falls in the same category as lack of TMS: it simply doesn’t matter for people who almost never travel longer distances.

If one never travels beyond single battery charge range, what you say is true. Most people drive beyond the battery range at least few times. When one or two handle DCFC is clogged with free charging locals and ride sharing companies resulting in sometimes 3 hours wait before being able to plug in, lack of supercharger is almost as bad as lack of TMS.

…but even the Superchargers get clogged on occasion. Meanwhile, none of my local DCFCs have ever been clogged when I was there.

Point is, not everyone considers it a good investment to spend an extra $5000 or so just for these few times.

I wasn’t serious and I strongly agree that most people who can charge at home will rarely exceed the range of a late model, mass market EV.

when I travel long distances, I rent a goddamn ICE from Enterprise. Don’t have time to sit at chargers, though the Tesla network probably works well given the larger battery sizes to reduce the stops.

Congratulations!

I know every one wants to be a celebrity and a Utube Star these days, But , To Judge how a “New Car”…. “Holds Up”…. after 2 Months is Ridiculous and Laughable Unless it’s a Lemon ! It’s still a Brand new car ! 2 to 4 yrs. down the road would be a better gauge as to how the car Holds Up . This Guy is talking as if the car were 3yrs +0ld ! …….lmao…. . If One should have issues (it’s very rare) with a new 2month old car , it’s time to Be Rid of it !

Actually, I would expect issues in the first year, then reliable for next 4 or 5. Sometimes things aren’t right from the factory. However, you are right. If it isn’t holding up in 2 mo there is a problem 😉

Precisely. The ’17 Leaf we leased last May had suspicious range issues right out the gate. Fortunately, the dealer replaced it at their own risk within a couple of weeks (one upside of the often-problematic dealership model).

Besides, there’s always demand for reviews of a car when it’s still new, to inform potential buyers. Particularly in the US but also elsewhere, far fewer people pay attention to used-car reviews. Otherwise, Volt sales would have gone through the roof when it emerged as the most reliable 3-year used compact a couple of years ago 🙂

Lastly, I feel that recently the community feel fo this site is going to the dogs. Online commenters particularly ones using anonymous screen names, should think 10x before trashing the efforts of other EV drivers sharing their experiences. It’s just basic decency, a lost art in today’s Internet it seems 🙁

“Online commenters particularly ones using anonymous screen names, should think 10x before trashing the efforts of other EV drivers sharing their experiences”

I didn’t see you complaining about this when there were hundreds of anti-FCEV comments. Trashing crappy product is a public service to warn newbies who don’t know any better. Sure, you can counter than Leaf work for you, but the fact that far better Leaf is just few months away is an undeniable fact that others who are not aware should know.

Yes BoltEV others should know about the MY2019 Leaf and I report on that all the time thru the show. However, even with more battery and hopefully Thermal Management, it still may budget-wise be out of reach for many. As I’ve said, this new Leaf can fit the bill for a vast majority of people considering getting into the EV world with non-Telsa or Bolt budgets. It’s a good choice and the value proposition is strong. And choice is what matters for consumers.

And my point being that pointing out current Leaf as crappy when the new one is half a year away is a public service announcement. At that point, even the crappy Leaf will have to sell for less.

Hi nope I’m not in this for celeb status. Been doing the Model 3 Owners Club Show for 2 years prior to breaking out of the Tesla bubble and going mainstream to report on the Global EV world with this new channel.

I did this early review because I was asked by many viewers to provide an update on my initial thoughts, etc. So please don’t be so cruel to judge as I am in this for the cause, not to be a celeb.

Any objective person who watches your informative show, can easily tell that your reporting, and your vehicle reviews, are without question, in the “top notch” category.

Your intent is entirely genuine, and you shouldn’t EVen consider all the FUD noise, that many of the well trained spin doctors and Trolls, seem to try and proliferate, while wading at the bottom, of the murky social media EV wash bucket.

Nice review and thanks for sharing! Btw love the color choice, reminiscent of sea foam green on the old 240SX / Silvia.

Great cars, we have three LEAFs, 2-2012 and 1-2016 with about 150,000 combined miles. SO far our total expenses is $312 for a windshield that got cracked. we even save on our electric bill after charging three cars. We get a free EV rider from Alabama Power. Best cars we ever owned. Much more reliable than our Honda CRV, Toyota Corrollas, Camry or our Prius’s and tougher than my old Toy 4×4. Great cars. The 2012s are quicker than my 300zs and lets face it my two Mazda sports cars literally fell apart, pure junk, Miata and a 323 16v turbo rally racing car.

Great cars you should test drive the LEAF, it will emmbaress any V8 around town. Drive forever and never buy terrorist jihad juice again.

Both of my Model 3’s were into service within their first month …. So Tesla fanboy are you saying that it’s time to be rid of it?

Jade Frost is available in the US only on the SL version.

Nope. Mine is SV and I’ve seen plenty of others in SV trim and Jade showing up in inventory

You are absolutely right.
It would be nice if the frost part of the Jade paint, would keep the 40kWh Leaf battery pack, just a little bit cooler, especially today in So. Cal, especially the I.E.!

Thanks! According to Nissan’s website, it’s only available on the SL version. Originally, I had used a dealer’s site to look for the color, but it wasn’t listed.

Thanks Domenick for the repost and highlight of my video! I’ll continue to monitor my Leaf for any signs of battery issues beyond normal, however I really don’t anticipate anything major. We’ll see how the fit and finish hold up over time as well. As always, welcome any questions and/or comments to the channel. And btw, I’m now running the channel myself and am sole Host/Producer.

Always welcome any topic suggestions that people want to see/learn about as well!

Is the color Jade frost by any chance, going to be offered into the 2019 Leaf VMY?

Good question. I’ve heard a rumour that Canada at least, nope for 2019. Not sure about USA but since for North America Leafs are all made in Tennessee, I’m suspecting that will be the case for USA as well. However to replace this, we may get the two-tone paint option.

Actually, the Jade Frost is available in the US. I bought mine in Delaware about a month ago. The dealer didn’t have any in stock, but transferred one from NJ (for no charge, I might add).

I also bought a car (Bolt) transferred from NJ for the right color. Much to my surprise, the car actually did come with turn signals! I was very relieved.

I’m conflicted whether to vote this up or down 😉

I saw my first Leaf 2 this morning. I’m surprised given how low US sales have been for it.

Sounds like a joke of a car from this review. He drove it 3K miles in 2 months? I’ve had my Model 3 for less than 3 months and it’s already at 9K miles. 3K miles in 2 months sounds is what my mileage was like on my Buick last year, when the car was falling apart (14 years old and 250K miles on it) and I was avoiding driving it, so that it would get me through until my Model 3 arrived.

Also, hes never once charged it outside of home. Does he actually like the car? Is it actually useful? Freaking drive it somewhere. Has he ever been to Boston? Take a trip there. I took my first trip to Toronto in my Model 3 from Boston. Nice weekend trip. Will be returning.

Hi Taylor, I did not plan on this early review to be a joke. I’ve been pushing the EV cause for over 2 years, starting with Trevor at the Model 3 Owners Club (congrats on your Model 3 purchase, btw) and then creating the EV Revolution Show to expand content out of the Tesla bubble (that you seem to be in, based on your cruel comments). I was asked to do an early review from many viewers so that is what I have done.

You are correct in stating I have not had the need yet to take it on longer trips but will soon. I actually did charge it once, just to try it out, at a DC Fast Charger at Tim Hortons here in Ontario. I had no issues.

And yes, I’ve been to Boston and to dozens of cities/countries around the world and it’s a beautiful city. Oh and thanks for coming to Toronto to support our local economy – why not with 1.35 cents on the dollar for you!

$1.35! I need to head north, very homesick.

The average American drives about 1,500 miles per month, including road trips, so I’d say his usage is spot on. You are a 6-sigma exception with extremely high mileage driving 3k miles per month. At least you drive an EV to minimize (although never eliminate) your footprint from all of that driving.

So relax, enjoy the review (or skip it entirely if you’re not interested) and keep on loving your Tesla!

“The average American drives about 1,500 miles per month, ”

According to data from the U.S. Department of Transportation, the average American driver puts in 13,474 miles behind the wheel each year or a little over 1,100 miles per month.

Even better. That makes Ken a higher-than-average driver.

Six sigma exception? As in, one in 300,000? I know hyperbole, but this is something else entirely…

What’s the joke? I was talking to an owner of a 22kWh i3 REx yesterday who has put 12k on his car in two months of ownership. The new Leaf has double the battery range so would be infinitely more capable for him or anyone else who drives even more than average.

How much a person drives depends on the situation – quite literally, Your Mileage May Vary. I work from home, so I put on about 800 miles in 2 months. 3000 miles in 2 miles is hell a lot of driving!!!

Someone’s got an attitude. Take a chill pill. Ooh, you drive 3x the average whereas he only drove a bit more than average? Did you listen to the review? FGS.

worlds leadingexpert on EVs

What is it with these videos that are over 20 minutes long with about 4 minutes of actual information. My comment is to partner with someone that can edit a video to tighten up this mess.

Thanks for the feedback. I’m trying my best to help get information out and this is not a full time gig for me so please give me a break. I’m more concerned about the cause.

However, I’m always striving to improve so please provide a link to your videos/channel so I can check it out to learn the proper way on how it is done.

You must be pretty selective in what you consider “information”. I do agree that it’s a little long-winded towards the end — a little. As in, cut a few minutes, not cut down to a few minutes.

Thanks for feedback. Noted. Everyone is selective.

As a 3 Leaf owner in Chicago, since 2013:
1) 2013; sold in 2017 @ 44k miles with 1 bar lost (80%)
2) 2015; 20k miles 2 bars lost; Phoenix car (79%)
3) 2016 18k miles 0 bars lost however down to 87% (first bar goes around 83-85%); 18 months old.

My anecdotal conclusion: Even warm seasonal temps can rapidly degrade the battery. The 30kw versions seem to hold up less than the 24kw version. DC charging has no to very little impact as the first 2 cars didn’t even have that option . It’s the pack sitting at hot temperatures (>90 for extended periods of time which result in rapid degradation).

I have seen remarkable preservation from UK and PNW (WA & OR) and attribute it to their consistent cool, year long climate.

It seems that the 2016-17 Leaf, w/ 30 kWh battery, can have a wide range of capacity loss / degradation profiles (as demonstrated by at least a few factual data driven studies) .

These different profiles, depend more on just a few environmental (temperature & humidity) / driving conditions and factors. A significant aspect to consider, is also the ratio between charging (above 80%, or below 20%), and the “at rest” state of charge, between charging and usage at a later time.

My experience in So. Cal, with my current 2016 Leaf Lease, is at 26k mi./ 21 months, of in service use, on a 10 / 2015 manufacturing date SV.

LeafSpy Pro stats: SOC 95.45%, with a 340 FC / 440 L1/L2 charging profile. Approximately 1% of the DC FCs, were preformed with battery temps (in the red) over 120* F during back to back FCs, during a “Drivethe ARC” Lake Tahoe 1k mi. road trip.

So my annual 3% degradation /battery capacity loss profile, is considered typical, even with baking my particular 30kWh battery, on more than at least a few extreme (non typical) charging temperature occasions.

Correction, LeafSpy Pro stats:
SOH ( Not SOC! ) is at 95.45%.

Oops!😵

It’s not just warm temperatures. My 12 Leaf was about to lose 1 bar when my lease ended. Its SOH was 85% at 26k miles, Pittsburgh area. Cold weather use (resistive heater) hurt the battery, too. I believe the problem was deep cycling the small 24 kWh battery, not just temperatures.

It was DC charged only twice in 3 years.

+1 for another TeslaTap/JDapter user. Every BEV owner that travels on the road should pick one up, as there are plenty of Tesla destination charging stations out there to use. 😀

Could this be the very first time you mentioned anything positive about Tesla?

Like I’ve said time and time again, I don’t really have any beef with Tesla’s products. It’s just the CEO and rabid cultists I have the problem with. 😛
I own a Tesla Gen 2 UMC that serves as my primary L2 charging station at home (via the JDapter Stub). It’s a quality piece of equipment!

Same for me, I have a few quality, and design choice issues with Tesla cars, but its the CEO, and his followers are the most annoying part. Interestingly, most Tesla owners I know are super cook, and happy to engage in a pro or con conversations about their Tesla, its only the fan boys, most of which do not own Tesla’s that feel the need to be so defensive.

not sure about the cultists, but a CEO who’s driven so much EV growth in such short notice, to make even the big boys take notice, deserves some credit despite some quirks.

I agree with the distinction. We have two Tesla power walls and love them, especially with the great app. Elon is a jerk however. Too bad he can’t keep his mouth shut. Or his Twitter fingers

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

+1
Exactly! Use whatever resources that are out there.
Sadly, in my area there aren’t many Tesla Dest chargers. so it’s not much use for me.

Is this a US-only phenomenon ? As in Tesla using a special outlet for their US models?
I recently stayed at a newly opened hotel here in Sweden which had 2 Tesla destination chargers installed and I simply plugged it into my 2018 LEAF and charged to full overnight. Type 2 cables.

I’m just going to Leaf this here: http://www.eafo.eu/vehicle-statistics/m1

Great link on European EV trends

I see what you did there…. 😉

Funny how people still refer to charging as adding electrons.

And they always will. Even though it’s really just separating electrons from Lithium atoms and storing them in the anode.

Actually, it’s separating them in the cathode, but uniting them again in the anode.

No, you have that backwards. Electric current is said to flow from cathode to anode, but in reality, electrons flow the opposite way since electrons are negative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anode
“The direction of conventional current (the flow of positive charges) in a circuit is opposite to the direction of electron flow, so (negatively charged) electrons flow out the anode into the outside circuit.”

Oh how nature tricked us and messed up physicists, engineers and students in perpetuity when she decided to make (-) electrons the actual “entities” of current! Too much had been published assuming that + charges were moving to change everything, so they had to kludge* everything and come up with fictions like “conventional current”…

* well before its programming usage!

Nah, the actual issue is that during charging, from a strictly physical point of view, anode and cathode are reversed. However, people working with batteries generally ignore that, and simply use “anode” and “cathode” as synonyms for negative and positive electrode, just like for primary cells. Feel free to substitute the terms in your mind if it helps you reading my statement above…

So the electrons that start in the battery stay in the battery for the life of the battery? None ever come or leave? During charging, the Lithium ions just move from electrode to another? I was just wondering about this a while back. Do you have any reference site/page/video that might illuminate it all?

The net number of electrons does not change, but moves around. Overall, the battery remains neutral when “charged”, but the negative (electrons) and positive (lithium ions) elements are separated. They are held in this separated state until the battery is used (e.g. to drive the car), at which point they are re-united.

I’m pretty sure that’s not true. Both the electrons (through the charger circuit) and the lithium ions (through the electrolyte) make it to the negative electrode, where the lithium is intercalated between the carbon layers. Why would the electrons stay separate from the lithium ions?

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

So bring your Leaf here in Sacramento CA and DCFC for me today at 4pm drive 45 mins to Stockton to another DCFC and do it again…….lol
(That’s the pattern of the Leafs in Fleet management with 2018 Leafs missing a bar already at 85% SOH)

Supposed to be 110°F today.

But oh no, an Active TMS isn’t necessary………ROTFLMAO

Then the Leaf is maybe not the right BEV for this kind of daily workuse. Get a Bolt or Ioniq. I said it’s not for everyone or will fit the bill for all needs. Active TMS is not necessary for all use cases. Clearly for yours, it is so get something that has it.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Not for me, it’s Fleets.
Why wouldn’t the Leaf be right? the miles driven is just to Stockton CA from Sacramento CA, about 47 miles one way well within the EPA range of 151 AER of the car and the DCFC capabilities right??????

Or should Nissan have a big fat disclaimer on the car that says “Driving in Sacramento Heat and doing DCFC then driving is an environment that is NOT SUPPORTED”.

Nissan should be better qualifying the Leaf since they throttle back DCFC-ing. They should be advising at sales rep level that the car will easily do the miles/trips you state, however if multiple DCFC-ing is needed, charge times can increase based on battery temps. They state it in legalize in the owners manual, but not at time of sale.

So IMO for the use case you just provided, the Leaf may not be the best fit if time and heat are concerns. I’ve not heard anything as far as loosing 15% of SoH “missing a bar already” and would love to see that real data to back up your claims.

Without real data and verified reports, its all just your hearsay.

This is silly argument that Leaf doesn’t fit SacTown. Suppose one bought a Leaf while living in SF coast, then got sick of all left wing politics and human feces and needles on every street and decided to move bit inland. In CA, some places just 50 miles from the ocean has temperature of 120F.

Then should one have to sell the Leaf, because the new location doesn’t fit Leaf’s usage model? Or should one be forced to choose where he moves based on Leaf’s health/performance (or lack of)? While this is true of EV in extremes, Leaf without TMS is crappy to the extremes.

I mean, a trip to Stockton is well within range of a single charge, so is it starting in Sacramento with something less? And of course, charging then letting it sit isn’t good for it either. If that’s the use case, it obviously should be changed.

I would absolutely love to see the actual current LeafSpy Pro “screen capture” data (SOH %), that you keep claiming, is on a particular 2018 40kWh Leaf (of course mileage matters, in this alleged particular “Fleet Management” case).

Over 30k in service mi., or is it possibly over 40k miles?

Stating LeafSpy Pro SOH %, without an accurate mileage count, is no factual or substantive way, to try and demonstrate, your excessive 2018 Leaf battery degradation, or capacity loss claim.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

I’ll try and get the mileage next time i’m at that facility.

Please do otherwise it is all just BS.

As in Total, Unmittigated, Leaf-litter BullPucky!

@ Trollynonymous

You don’t have to bother by flying all the way in, from the Kremlin.

It would make way more sense, to just have one of your local operatives, here in the Cali-Kapital, transfer the pertinent LeafSpy Pro data breach, over and onto Hillary’s server, for your convenient retrieval at anytime.🤓

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

BLAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

You’re killin me dude!!!
😛

I saw that color at a Nissan dealer while I was charging Pumpkins 2016SL. Its different. Great car. As long as you quick charge and keep it below 80 or 90% charge it should be able to quick charge all day long. Same for my wifes 2016SL. We like to try and keep it in the 20-80% charge interval to increase battery longevity. We love all our LEAFs, sold our Prius Plug In and Bought another used LEAF.. Better car.

We love the 30kWh batteries, hopefully the 40kWh batteries are even better.

For a REAL World test they have to Desert HEAT test it in the Phoenix area. If the battery wilts in the HEAT like all the other LEAF vehicles it’s not fit for warm climates. We see from 10-20% loss of capacity a year in the LEAF. Others cars lose nothing like the Tesla, Chevy SPARK EV Volt and Bolt, FORD FOCUS EV , BMW and even the Fiat 500e.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Watchout! some won’t believe you unless they plug in their LeafSpy Pro to see it for themselves………..lol

Just like a rapidly degrading Phoenix Leaf Battery, out of the Ashes, and into the “Trollnonymous” Fire!

As a former great POTUS once said, about the Soviet Empire (pre-Troll) “Trust, but Verify”!

It seems to kind of ring true, many decades later!

What a coinkydink!

My 2015 lost 12% SOH in 32 months with two very hot C California summers and 600 DC charging sessions. Most of the loss came over the first winter actually (got it in October ’15).

Can AC be turned on for hours while being charged? Anybody knows if this is possible?

Yes, very possible. Heat, too. Start charging with everything off and then, once charging has commenced, start vehicle in accessory mode, and then turn A/C or heat on and set temp, etc.

Be warned, though: climate control will STOP when charging stops, so DO NOT leave a pet [or child, fgs!] in a charging vehicle with A/C on unless you ARE SURE that you’ll be back before the charging or charger stops (possibly automatically, possibly by someone removing it, etc.)

I drive a used 2012 Leaf in Phoenix with a new battery and love the car. I mostly slow charge the car with 110v. I could easily afford a more expensive car but don’t need it. I work from home and travel within a 20 mile bubble. Buy only what you need.

My nissian leaf sucks. Less than 8 bars. Can’t go anywhere. Big. Mistake buying this vehicle

Not much of a HEAT test which is key to a vehicle known to wilt fast. A longer trip with so called Fast charging will be interesting.
If you or Nissan wants a real Desert HEAT TEST send one my way in the great Phoenix area. I had a 2011 and 2013 but both wilted very fast.

If Nissan had the same real batterywarranty like Tesla, checy,Ford and others of 30% loss over the full 8 years 100k it would be tolerable but their poor 4 bars lost in 5 years 60k if the worst in the business.