2018 Nissan LEAF Driven In Canada At -7°C (19.4 F) Video

White 2018 Nissan LEAF driving

MAR 4 2018 BY MARK KANE 41

This here is a quick test drive review of the second generation Nissan LEAF in Canada, presented by Toronto Electric Vehicle Association TEVA in winter conditions of -7°C (19.4 Fahrenheit).

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During the highway test drive with heated seats at 20°C (68 Fahrenheit), battery capacity decreased from 93% (estimated 183 km) to 83% (164 km estimated). In other words, 10% was worth some 19 km (12 miles) and the total range at 100% would’ve been 190 km (120 miles).

The energy consumption was calculated at 29.3 kWh/100 km (62 miles), but again, the low temperature and the route’s impact was rather big. In the summer, there shouldn’t be any problems hitting the 151 miles of EPA range.

From other insights, e-Pedal (single pedal driving without creeping) works great, regen is strong, and ProPilot assist does the job.

 

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41 Comments on "2018 Nissan LEAF Driven In Canada At -7°C (19.4 F) Video"

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Roy_H

The best, most informative review I have seen so far. Goes into a lot of detail about driver display and functions. Generally upbeat describing features, no criticisms at all, all functions ((Pro-Pilot) worked as advertised.

The reference to 20°C is the temperature the battery is heated to even though it is -7°C outside.

Base price $36k Cdn less $14k Ontario EV rebate means a very attractive $22k price.

Lamata

FYI …Rebate comes out to $12,180 Roughly because ,you gotta pay 13% sales tax the full amount & then you get the $14,000,off the all in Price after you pay the Sales Tax On the $14.000……

Micke Larsson

It’s still $14k.

Lamata

No It’s Not….It’s Actually $12,180 Net that you Get & Not the full $14,000 of the Car Price….Because you are Paying Tax on the Full Amount Before Rebate..Now If they minus the $14,000 from the retail price & then you paid sales Tax on that Total , Then You would be Getting The Actual full $14,000 rebate that they Advertise . It’s a little miss-leading IMO . But I also Understand & agree with what you are getting at…

Robert Weekley

Not in the same sense the US Tax Credit is $7,500! That is an Actual Bill of $7,500.00 that you will get a direct Credit for so – after all else is calculated and you owed $10,000 – now you include the EV Credit – and pay just $2,500!

But – it also works like this – as best as I can see – if you had Tax Withholding from your Employer at your job, and paid $20,000, but had other Deductions that Brought you down to $10,000, and THEN applied the EV Credit – to take you down to $2,500 Due, your Tax Return would now be about $17,500 in that example!

In the Ontario Equation – the Net Car Deduction is basically reduced by an effective 13% GST Tax on the $14,000 Max Rebate, and on all lesser Rebates, as well!

However – if, that is – IF – a Rumored “No Tax on EV’s” Policy Shows up Federally & Provincially, then that could in fact reduce your vehicle cost by that Full $14,000!

menorman

In other words, 10% was worth some 19 km (12 miles) and the total range at 100% would’ve been 190 km (120 miles).

The energy consumption was calculated at 29.3 kWh/100 km (62 miles)…

That sounds like total range would’ve been closer to 80 miles if they’d kept going, not 120…

Oleg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl4H4Z6-e08

testing nissan leaf 2018 at a temperature of -30°C (-22F)
total range 160km (100miles)

sola

This sounds pretty good.

Only 33% range loss for -30C. I think most ICE cars loose ~20% in that cold.

Dan

Except it doesn’t really matter in an ICE car because of—wait for it—gasoline stations. And the cabin heat is all from waste heat.

Mint

Doesn’t matter except for the cost of gas, which is an extra ~C$2 per 100km. That’s a lot more than the 33% extra cost in electricity to charge a Leaf, at least in most of Canada.

33% extra consumption is better than some of us expected for -30 degC. I’ve seen data showing 40% loss at -20 degC in the last gen Leaf.

Mint

Sorry, 33% loss of range works out to 50% increased consumption. But my point remains.

mx

Yes, this a major update of the Leaf. Good to see they’re making mods to compete with Tesla and BMW.

One last thing, to compete with BMW you need a fully independent suspension front and rear. Otherwise, good to see competition in the market. Also, you need to look at carbon fiber and a good REX engine option.

BMW now needs to put up a bigger battery.

Warren M

Yup took another 100 mile round trip into the mountains past Pine Mountain (4100ft) to see the snow yesterday. The i3 has stellar handling and grip, even in the wet. And again the whole trip yielded efficiency as good or better than what I normally get in my flat land commute. Amazing car.

bro1999

Ioniq EV versus 2018 Leaf range test. Despite the Leaf having a ~12 kWh larger battery, the Ioniq ended the test run with a HIGHER SOC%. Wow.
https://youtu.be/Gj3MsS9M3dE

Get Real

Looks like GM shill/employee MadBro is getting nervous about the 2018 Leaf taking sales from the Bolt.

bro1999

Troll Get Real trolling even when I say nothing about the Bolt. Typical TSLA zealot behavior.

William

Madbro is now apparently our IEVs resident behavior specialist.

All EV Zelots please line up, and get ready to take your well deserved Madbro “Te-Zel” Flogging. You know you need it!

He is doing all the EV heavy lifting for Chevy!

Mint

He has a follow up video:
https://youtu.be/bbGQkj7DnXc

Apparently in the cold, the Leaf SoC display goes down faster than the actual battery SoC, and the Hyundai SoC display goes down slower than actual. So 19% in the Leaf means much more than 19% remaining, and 40% in the Ioniq means less than that remaining (it charged 6% at that point when it took in 16% worth of electricity).

Between the known lower efficiency of the Leaf vs Ioniq (112 MPGe vs 136 MPGe) and the 6% less efficient 17″ wheel option (according to WLTP), we expect 28% more consumption from the Leaf. And the battery is about 8 kWh bigger, not 12. Leaf is roughly 40kWh net and ~36 kWh usable, Ioniq is ~31 kWh net and 28 kWh usable.

Cosmyc

+1

Marcel Guldemond

the 2018 Leaf looks like a really good BEV, and so does the Ioniq. They’re both really good, except for the fact that the Ioniq is hard to get, and the 2018 Leaf is not. That’s my main disappointment with the Ioniq, that it’s just not available.

Here in Ottawa, I’ve seen a few BEV Ioniqs recently, but I’ve also seen a few 2018 Leafs, even though they’ve only been available for a couple of months.

Arne

30kwh per 100km means about 9 EUR/100km.
This is not cheaper than comparable ICE cars assuming avg. 6 Liter Diesel/100km.

Leaf

I don’t think a diesel car will just use 6l/100km at these very cold temperatures?

Mr. M

Nah, Mine uses 5,5 / 100km If i stay below 110kph max speed.

sola

That is only because of the extreme low temperature at the time test and I am not sure that data was representaive for the whole run.

At normal temperatures, the real life consumption of the Leaf is ~half of that (~16 kwh/100km, 250km/40kwh).

A Leaf-sized diesel will consume much more than 6l/100km at -30C, I can guarantee you that.

However, in most of Europe, the diesel would cost twice as much even at 6l/100km and 29kwh/100km. (calculating with 1.1 EUR/l for the diesel and 12c/kWh which are the diesel and electricity prices in my country at the moment)

theflew

19F isn’t extreme cold in most of the northern states in the US that isn’t on the west coast. My wife would laugh at me if I had the temperature set to 68F. 72F is the minimum and if she’s cold then 80F.

mr. M

German prices 1.22€/l Diesel and 0,275€/kWh at Home. Fast charger are more expensive…

Mint

Your electricity is insanely expensive at 0.30 EUR / kWh.

And 30kWh/100km is for a short 19km test drive. There’s another video linked in the comments getting 4.5 km/kWh in -30 degC weather. No way in hell does diesel consume only 6L/100km at that temperature for a car as quick as the Leaf.

Primus

On the Canadian praries, 30kWh would be about 1.45 EUR/100 km, about 4.70 EUR Diesel/100 km assuming those rates. It’s also not common to find diesel cars here.

Djoni

The Ionic has great efficiency and very high DCFC charging power,but the rear view is microscopic and doesn’t have decent cargo.
So it’s all about compromise!

Mint

I’d say the LEAF’s biggest strengths over the Ioniq are:
-acceleration
-ProPilot
-cargo space
-seating height and headroom

The Ioniq has very impressive efficiency, but if range is similar or worse without price being lower, that advantage is mostly wasted, IMO.

Mike Schmitt

Above was the statement: “That is only because of the extreme low temperature”…Since when is +20F extreme? Now -20F, that’s extreme. We get that from time to time even here in Chicago.

ItsNotAboutTheMoney

It’s extreme for an awful lot of people in Europe.

Twice in my life the place I lived had overnight temperatures of 0F or less. It was the coldest place in the UK those nights during a cold winter in the 1980s. But in most cases 20F would be an extremely cold winter overnight low.

Now I live somewhere where 20F is just a slight below average winters daytime temperature and I’m surprised that the coming forecast storm with 11 to 19 inches of snow is the first such storm we’ve had this winter.

ziv

I live in the DC Metro area and it is irritating how many times the Engine Running Due To Temperature kicks in on my Volt. It is hard to defeat, so whenever the temps are 15F or below, the engine comes on. So 15F is fairly common here in Virginia. I have actually waited an hour for the temp to hit 16F before going in to work. I am glad my Volt has a genset, but that doesn’t mean I want to use gasoline all that often.

ConsumerX

Without active thermal,the 2018 Leaf loses too much range in below 0C temperatures.Based on pre ’18 Leafs in extreme temperature,the DC charging was affected,in addition to range.Nissan should’ve released active thermal,and 2 battery options for their 2018.Hyundai could’ve offered a video rear view mirror to overcome hampered views from passengers,or that split rear cargo window. Also,should’ve offered an additional{200 mile} battery option for ’18.If a larger battery was offered for either brand,I think their sales would’ve increased.Features wise,both are fairly equal.Value for the range can help with hvac use,or “range anxiety.” Nice cold climate reviews by Tesla Bjorn, TEVA.

Mint

If the Leaf’s price goes up due to active thermal (or better interior or whatever flaw you correct), it loses sales in a year when the base Model 3 is available.

I bet you’ll see the same thing with the big battery option: at $35-40k, why not get a Tesla, unless you hate sedans?

Nissan made the right move, and absolutely needed a $29,999 starting price.

Ian

There is only one setting on your heater in Canada during the winter….MAX

Been driving my 2014 LEAF since Feb-Mar 2014 and not parked in a garage in North east Ontario. Nissan has all that data of cold weather driving just sitting on a server somewhere.

And no battery degradation in 72000km.

Leo

> And no battery degradation in 72000km.

Obviously this is not true. You just haven’t lost a bar yet but you will soon.

Ian

Until I see that bar drop I am in denial…

Hugh Janus

85000 km and no bar losses-2015 leaf

bioburner

Move to Arizona then come back and tell us you lost no bars after 2 years. The problem with the Nissan battery is they drop capacity in warm climates not cold. Living in Canada and not loosing a bar is not a accomplishment.

Ian

Once They switch to 60kwh LG Chem packs that will change.