2017 Chevrolet Bolt Details Leak Out Ahead Of Today’s Reveal


2017 Chevrolet Bolt

2017 Chevrolet Bolt

2017 Chevrolet Bolt

2017 Chevrolet Bolt (via YouTube/CNET)

Due to a flurry of embargo breaks, we now have access to the 2017 Chevrolet Bolt details that will be “officially” revealed later today.

In bullet point format, here’s what General Motors will reveal at 4 PM EST today (we will also livestream as well at the site) in regards to the 2017 Bolt:

  • 9 hours to fully recharge on Level 2 (likely 6.6 kW or higher)
  • EPA-estimated range of 200 miles or more
  • Available in late 2016
  • Expected output of ~150 HP
  • ~ 300 pound-feet of torque
  • 0 to 60 MPH in ~ 7 seconds
  • Top speed of more than 90 MPH
  • DC fast charger will recharge car from 0 to 80% in 45 minutes (more than 50 kW?)
  • Price still claimed to be less than $30,000 after the $7,500 tax credit
  • 10.2-inch touchscreen
  • Exterior structure is made of aluminium, carbon fiber and mineral magnesium
  • Battery tucked under floor
  • Seating for 5
  • 4 USB ports, as well as the 4G LTE
2017 Chevrolet Bolt

2017 Chevrolet Bolt (via YouTube/CNET)

President of General Motors North America and Head of Global Chevrolet, Alan Batey, stated:

“The Bolt EV truly embodies the ingenuity that is at the core of everything we do at Chevrolet. The technologies and the engineering expertise behind the Bolt EV are tremendous examples of the kind of innovation we intend to offer our customers, across an array of products at a tremendous value, something only Chevrolet can deliver.”

The Bolt was largely developed in South Korea with tremendous assistance from LG Chem, but most of the intergration work was done at General Motor’s Milford, Michigan site.

2017 Chevrolet Bolt

2017 Chevrolet Bolt (via YouTube/Mashable)

Separately, the Detroit Free Press leaked out some drive notes:

“General Motors’ first all-electric vehicle is not just a real car, it has surprising agility, a larger-than-expected interior and decent quick acceleration.

Those were my impressions after a brief drive with the Chevrolet Bolt in a large parking lot across from the Las Vegas Convention Center this afternoon.

No one will confuse it with a Corvette or Camaro. That’s not its goal in life.

But in world of waning appetites for fossil fuel and growing interest in ride-sharing, the Bolt has a chance to find its niche.

With a maximum speed of slightly more than 90 miles per hour — I did not reach that in my modest trip — the Bolt works quite well in urban driving where maneuverability is crucial.”

Production of the Chevy Bolt will commence in late 2016 at General Motors’ Orion Assembly Plant in Michigan.

Why now check out a couple first drive videos (very bottom of story) of the pre-production Bolt EV from some embargo-jumpers from CES now?

2017 Chevrolet Bolt

2017 Chevrolet Bolt

2017 Chevrolet Bolt Interior

2017 Chevrolet Bolt Interior

2017 Chevrolet Bolt

2017 Chevrolet Bolt Rear Seating (via YouTube/Mashable)

2017 Chevrolet Bolt

2017 Chevrolet Bolt Infotainment (via YouTube/Mashable)

2017 Chevrolet Bolt

2017 Chevrolet Bolt (via YouTube/Mashable)

2017 Chevrolet Bolt

2017 Chevrolet Bolt (via YouTube/Mashable)

2017 Chevrolet Bolt

2017 Chevrolet Bolt Rear Cargo Hatch (via YouTube/Mashabale)

Images via Jalopnik screen captures of now-deleted CNET video and still-available Mashable video

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I really hope the EPA rating does hit the 200+ mile mark.


An Auto ICE co. actually making a REAL 200mi range EV that is not a Tesla by late 2016. Not a vaporware concept car that doesn’t run, a real production car. I can’t believe I’m reading this. Way to go GM for having the cajones other German Auto co. doesn’t


And Tesla Motors’ Model 3? zzzzzz…..


Im sure the M3 will be great. My comment was more about other Auto co. saying but actually not actually producing an EV.


“Im sure the M3 will be great”.
I don’t know. I recently saw a video of Model X. Its poors opens by pushing on the door handles…what could possibly go wrong ? I am somewhat doubtfoul of the ability of this man to just do a “normal” car.


We’ll all find out in March. Hopefully they don’t over engineer the vehicle.


This is a gimme. I think the quote from Darin Gesse the product manager was: “We know we’ll be over (200 miles), we just don’t know how far we’ll be over”.


Aluminum body, tell me more…


There’s also carbon fiber…


Well, at least rust won’t be an issue. Which will be really nice in snowy areas.


Not rust, corrosion instead;)


This i3 owner approves!


Carbon fiber and “mineral magnesium”. The B-36 burned brightly.


It’s likely the “mixed material” construction used in the CT6. If it is then that’s great news. One of the advantages of this construction is that smaller parts get combined into one larger one. More rigid — hence more stability — and fewer parts hence fewer rattles.


Now if they would only simplify the fascia by removing various faux grill panels and incorporate the shape into a single, smooth piece.

scott franco

“Aluminum body, tell me more…”

You saw this where????

Edward Arthur

Geez, I’d be interested if it had 5 USB ports.
No honestly, it is a compelling vehicle! Congrats GM, I hope deliveries start in 2016!

Baby Boomers cared about cup holders, millennials care about USB ports (and whether they can charge an iPad at full speed 1.2A or just basic 500mA charging).


iPads can charged at up to 2.1 amps… I’m waiting on a 3 amp usb type c charger for my Nexus 6P.


Usb type C can charge with 100watts or 20volts 5amps


Deal breaker if the Bolt can’t do this 😉



Gosh, how can anyone claim this will be a good car when we don’t even know if it has at least 14 cupholders?


LOL, I see what you did there.


Looks like a cross between a Honda Fit and Chevy Spark. I’m sure it will be appealing to some. I’ll wait for the Tesla Model 3 and see what it looks like and specs. Good for GM though.


This. I’m waiting to see what the model 3 will look like and what it will cost in various configs. I’d prefer AWD. However, the Bolt is looking like an excellent upgrade for my 2015 Leaf that’s coming off lease in 2017.

You could probably lease a Bolt for 3 years before a Model 3 is physically available.


If the Model X is any indication…

scott franco


My plan exactly. Lease a bolt, buy a Tesla.


The Bolt actually puts some pressure on Tesla. In March Tesla needs to show more than some sketches of the Model 3. They need at least a prototype like the Bolt shown last year. Otherwise, you know the Model 3 is years out. At best I wouldn’t expect the Model 3 to be available until 2018. GM has already started programming the robots for a car that isn’t going on sale until late this year which means manufacturing will start sometime early fall.

Do you honestly believe Tesla will be at this point early next year with the Model 3?


Probably not. The Bolt won’t be available until Dec supposedly. Even though my Leaf’s lease isn’t up until 2017 my other car, a 2009 Suzuki SX-4 would be a good replacement target for the Bolt. I’ve owned several Subarus and I would like an AWD EV. And no, a 70D isn’t in my budget.


When has Tesla ever just shown sketches?
Musk says Model 3 can be pre-ordered at the reveal so there will be a prototype.

And many people ordered their Model X’s 3+ years ago and are still waiting for delivery.


Tesla went overboard with complicated engineering for the X.

For the Model 3 all the engineering has been done. All they have to do is scale down the Model S, although the looks will probably be different. That makes the task a lot easier.


Yea me Too . It’s Already 10 X’s The Car That an i3 could ever be…I’m gonna wait for Tesla ……


Meh! Pretty uninspiring I’m still waiting for there to be a BEV that is NOT A COMPACT form factor (besides Tesla of course)


A meh with an exclamation point? Don’t feign indifference, now. Your enthusiasm is showing. 🙂


The 6’5″ guy witting in the back seat is impressive. As is the sub 7s 0-60 time. Looks like GM figured it out, range, performance, interior space, and cost. Bravo.


I am 6’4″ and can sit comfortably in the back of my Volt. IF, I move the drivers seat ALL the way forward. The seat in that photo seems to be at least part way back, not all the way forward. So the Bolt DOES seem to have more back seat leg room than the Volt.
Hmmm… The back seats have been a real pain. I am starting to re-think what my next car will be. The Bolt keeps looking better and better.

Dave R

I’m 6′ and it’s a tight squeeze with my head rubbing the ceiling on both the old and new Volt.

Headroom looks fine on the Bolt, though I wish the trunk was 6″ deeper. That appears to have less room than the Volt.


I am 6′ 1″ and getting into the Volt was a real pain. That is why i went with a C-Max Energi. It has plenty of room in front and back seats. Unfortunately, there is little trunk space and only 21 miles of EV range. I am ready for a full EV now and the Bolt looks like a promising replacement vehicle.


Getting into the front of a Volt was a pain? Wow. I am 6’4″ and the front is fine, it is the back seat that is tiny. You just drop the front seat down a few inches and you have plenty of headroom. I wear a baseball cap in the front of the Volt and it doesn’t brush the headliner.


This 6’6″ guy cannot fit in a volt nor model S. Ironically the Leaf is ok. CMax offered more space. In any case looking forward to a test drive as cars I select are restricted by leg/head room availability.

Buy a SparkEV, rip the front seat out and sit in the back. 🙂

LOL. Kdawg, I had no idea you’re a SparkEV fan! 🙂

Seriously though. SparkEV has more head room than Tesla. It would be interesting if 6’6″ person fits in the front seat.


I’m 6’4″… I’m 6’2″… I’m 6’6″… etc etc

I smell a research grant on the effects of EV EMFs on human growth hormone production.


But it will be sold (or not) by Chevy dealers. Without oil changes or emissions service to profit off of, which dealer will be the first to tell owners they need to come in to flush the electrons periodically to keep them flowing properly?


Will still need tires, brakes, wipers. May need coolant. And headlamp fluid.

Bill Howland

“Headlamp Fluid”


I thought only Mercedes and Volvos had headlamp wiper fluid.


Ah, yes. Far too many service centers fail to check the headlight fluid level. Better check that yourself.


Perhaps blinker fluid. But no pesky muffler bearings to worry about.


Muffler bearing…. Funniest thing I heard in a long time!


Well done, Chevy. Now, I want my electric Musclecar, so get to work!!!


Well, they have already reserved the name “e-Ray”, so … you may not have to wait so terribly long.


So here is the real test of the market for EVs. An “affordable” EV at around $30k, with 200mi range. Will customers pay the $10,000 premium over a comparable compact car?


If gas were at $3 a gallon I would say, “He** yes!”
Right now, I think the LG Chem shortage of cells might not be a problem because they may only sell 3,000 Bolts a month. More than the Volt did in 2012 and 2013 but not break out numbers.


You get $7500 back from the IRS and $2500 back from many states.


Nope. It’s a tax credit, as opposed to a tax rebate or refund, meaning many folks will not qualify for it (if they choose to purchase). However, there is a way to get around it by leasing the car and buying out the residual (GM gets the $7500 and passes that savings on to you).


Matt, are kidding? Name me a person that is buying a $30,000 car that doesn’t have $7500 worth of tax exposure. I wish I paid that little tax.


Raises hand…


My wife and I will raise our hands, too. We are a single car household and this car is in our price range. We both work in public service and never owe on our taxes.


Not OWE on your taxes, simply that you Paid over $7500 in taxes on AGI, just in case you weren’t clear on that.


Often wonder how they can do that when corporations already don’t pay any taxes and the company is based in the caiman Islands or Ireland. LOL


More will. Most won’t.

“$10,000 premium over a comparable compact car?”
Can you name a comparable compact car?


The Sonic. That’s what GM based the Bolt on. At only $15,300, the Sonic is one of GM’s very cheapest cars, isn’t it?

Philip d

But does the Sonic sport 300 lb ft of torque and hit 60 in 7 seconds?


Well of course not; the Sonic is a gasmobile, poor thing. It’s 0-60 in 8.7 seconds for the Sonic, according to Motor Trend.

I see your point; it’s always an apples-to-oranges comparison between a gasmobile and a plug-in EV. But the Sonic is the closest you can get to the Bolt for a comparable gasmobile.

After driving electric, a gasser isn’t even on my radar. Have you tried to drive a gasser after driving EV for a few months? We might as well compare the Bolt to a steam powered car of the same size.

That’s the problem w/the “comparable” vehicle. Most people are just comparing the size. If that was the only metric to compare cars, then Toyota Yaris w/manual transmission should cost the same as a Tesla Roadster.

Its awful. Been a year since my LEAF lease ran out, I hate walking out to the driveway everyday. But too stubborn to buy another 1st gen plug-in (and can’t afford a Model S). Volt 2.0 lease was tempting (assuming carseat fit) but by the time it gets to Texas 200 mile EVs will almost be here.

Here’s to hoping the Bolt, LEAF 2.0, and Model 3 all arrive in a hurry.


kdawg, it isn’t a great comp, but the Chevy Sonic shares the platform. Kind of like comparing a Cruze to a Volt, it isn’t accurate but it is the best you can do, really. And the LT Sonic is $18,400, but the better comp would be the LTZ that has an MSRP of $22,000.


The (last-gen) Sonic platform is also shared with the Buick Encore, which starts at $24,065 and goes up to $30,170 for the FWD version, and up to $32k for AWD.

But comparing cars based on the platform they share tends to be misleading. For GM, a platform is basically steering and suspension with little else in common. GM is moving to so-called “vehicle sets” which will have even less in common than a platform.


I agree with you Breezy. Platforms don’t me comparable levels of worth.


It’s only $10,000 more than a comparable compact if you ignore the fact that it’s electric.

I think there are enough buyers who realize the powertrain is worth the premium to sell 30,000 per year.


This car has tech GM doesn’t even offer in the highest end Cadillac. These are strange times indeed.


Price and 200+ mile EPA range are crucial.

How many kWh is the battery pack?

How many trims will there be?


Someone calculated it out to b 51.3 kWh estimated of course http://www.mychevybolt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=94&p=302


9 hrs x 6.0 = 54. The charging will taper down above 90% Thereabouts it’s a 50kw battery. Pretty good.


I would guess it is 55.2kWh with 18.4×3 (3x Volt battery).


So 60 kwh with about 5 kwh battery brick protection? It must be a 60kwh!


There are probably some of the main points, but I think there will be a bit more info in Mary Barra’s keynote.


We’ll also see the “finished” version. The ones in the media test drives were obviously converted mules.

The ones in the video aren’t mules, but pre-production models.


Pre-production mules. The headlights are even exactly the same as the mule spyshots. They just removed the camo and put on that crazy paint scheme.

Semantics, but mules typically refer to the guts of one car in the body of another. Or some kind of mish-mash to test various components. Where pre-production is much closer to the actual production car with only minor tweaks left. My $0.02


Ok, call it what you want, but the CES Bolts are the same as the “test” Bolts featured in the teaser video GM put out last June…..juts minus the camo.

Whether the units GM is using to test the Bolt are “mules” or “test units” or “pre-production units”…..doesn’t really matter.


You’re mis-using the term “mules”, short for “test mules”. It means testing a new subsystem by installing it in some existing framework.
In the car context, say you have a new engine, planned for a new car chassis. The new chassis doesn’t exist yet, so you test (production versions or prototypes) of the new engine by transplanting them in an existing chassis.

The cars GM has atthe show are pre-production whole bolts. It looks like some of the details like internal trim material/color isn’t finalized, which is why the cloth covers, but that’s a pretty minor part of the car.


Yes we will see more after the keynote. Though I think at CES it will focus more on the technology and not so much on the mechanical. I think we will learn even more during NAIAS in a couple weeks.


“EPA-estimated range of 200 miles or more”

I think not. I predict the EPA rating will be between 150 and 160 miles, and I’ll be quite surprised if it’s more than 170 miles.

If the Volt will have a real-world range of 200 miles, then why doesn’t GM tell us what the battery capacity is? So long as they hide that, they give me reason to think they’re pulling the typical EV maker’s trick of exaggerating the range.

Not that GM is alone in that regard, by any means. Nissan claimed from the start that the Leaf was a “100 mile” EV, and Tesla claimed 300 miles for the Model S.

GM also exaggerated the range of the Volt 1.0, so this would be nothing new for them.



Are you talking about the Volt 2007 Concept?

GM has only been exceeding their estimates. They state clearly that the estimated 200 miles is on the EPA cycle. Unlike the Leaf 100 mile number which was on the Japanese test cycle.

The second generation Volt had an estimated EPA of 50miles for a long time. Ended up at 53 miles. And a number of people can easily exceed that number in the real world.


Neromanceres asked:

“Are you talking about the Volt 2007 Concept?”




I have done 53 miles with my Volt so the article was correct. The older Volts have a maximum range of 50 miles or so.
The article was pretty clear that it was a maximum, not an average.
_ the Volt will ensure an all-electric range of up to 50 miles … That number could be however as low as 25 miles (40 km), depending on “terrain, driving technique, temperature and battery age.” _

That is an accurate appraisal of the Volts capabilities.


Gen 2 Volt, they said they would have 50 all electric miles. The EPA ratings came in at 53.

Your move, PuPu.


Yes, kudos to GM for actually being conservative on the EV range of the Volt 2.0.

But that’s by far the outlier, not the norm for pre-production claims of EV range. That single data point should give no one confidence that GM will be similarly truthful, let alone conservative, about stating the real-world range of the Bolt.

Lindsay Patten

GM told insideevs 81 miles for the Spark EV and it ended up with an 83 mile EPA rating:



Uh, official unveil isn’t until 4PM EST today. That’s why.


9 hours to a full charge is a solid indicator that it will have significantly more than 150 miles of range (assuming a 6kW charger).

Leaf Owner

it takes 3-4 hours for me to charge my leaf from dead to full (3 hours usually get me to 90+ — that last 10% takes longer)

Do double+ the leaf 24kw makes sense. 60 kw?


Double the Leaf 1.0’s capacity is 48 kWh, which is what I’m guessing will be the capacity for the Bolt, give or take a very few kWh. That doesn’t yield a real world range of 200 miles, any more than the Leaf 1.0’s 24 kWh yielded a real-world range of 100 miles, despite what Nissan claimed.

Of course this is only an informed guess on my part, just opinion; we’ll have to wait and see just who is right here.


If Japanese automaker says X miles, of course it means Japanese testing cycle, not EPA.

This article specifically says 200+ miles EPA, so I would hope it is true.


Thanks. That’s the first factual statement I’ve seen from anyone that actually causes me to question my belief that the real-world range of the Bolt will be substantially less than 200 miles.

I’d like to see the math to back that up, though.

Paul Stoller

9hrs * 6.6kwhr * 0.85 charge rate = 50.49kwhr

9hrs * 7.2kwhr * 0.85 charge rate = 55.08kwhr

Paul Stoller

That should have said charging efficiency vs charge rate for the 0.85 value.

Paul Stoller said: “9hrs * 6.6kwhr * 0.85 charge rate = 50.49kwhr” Thanks, Paul. If we use the Leaf as our baseline, with 24 kWh and an EPA rating circa 2013 of 75 miles*, that’s 3.125 miles per kWh. At that ratio, 50.49 kWh yields 157.8 miles. So as I said: My guess for the real-world range of the Bolt is between 150 and 160 miles. Your estimate for battery pack capacity appears to fall within that range. Of course, there are a lot of assumptions on my part, any of which could be wrong. I’m assuming the Bolt is a bit smaller than the Leaf, with lower wind resistance; I’m assuming it’s a bit heavier, since the battery pack is smaller. Hopefully those two two factors will roughly balance out, as far as their effect on range. Likely more important is the difference between the battery chemistries; between the Leaf’s batteries and the LG Chem batteries that GM is using. There has been a claim that LG’s new battery chemistry makes a deeper DoD (Depth of Discharge) practical, and that alone could increase the range somewhat. So certainly there is a potential there for the real-world range being closer… Read more »

Edit: That should read “I’m assuming it [the Bolt] is a bit heavier, since the battery pack is larger.”

Paul Stoller

It looks like I was too conservative with my charging efficiency number I found that L2 charging efficiency is ~90% L1 is ~85%.

Given that and the fact that I have seen in a couple places that a 7.2kw charger as what will be used and it looks like a ~60kw battery will be used. I’m guessing somewhere between 55-60kw for the Bolts battery. If GM is able to increase efficiency at all from that of the Leaf I believe they will hit their 200 mile EPA number.


Jan 2015, Mary Barra, GM CEO: states Bolt EV will have 200 miles of range

June 2015, Pamela Fletcher, GM Executive chief engineer for EVs: states “We have experienced 200 miles. We’re pretty confident in that.”

Oct 2015, Mark Reuss, GM N.A. President: says Bolt’s 200 mile range estimate is conservative

Yesterday, Darin Gesse, Bolt Product Manager: t“It’s bringing 200 mile-range to everybody.”

Take off the blinders dude!

I think you are wrong on Bolt range. If GM is restating it this late in the game, 200 mile EPA range is a given.

The 60 kWh Model S has 209 EPA mil range. A vehicle the size of the Bolt should be able to hit 200 EPA mile range with 50 kWh – 55 kWh easily.

I expect the base Model 3 to have a similar pack size. Model 3 will have an optional larger pack though.


The i3 has a max 7.2 kW charge rate….I would think GM would like to at least match that figure.

Plus, 50.x kW for over 200 EV miles….that would be pretty tight. Even assuming 90% depth of discharge, that would mean the Bolt would have 45.9 kWh usuable and would need to achieve 4.36 miles/kWh….pretty lofty number.

If the pack is actually closer to 56 kWh, same 90% DoD would give us 50.4 kWh usable and 3.97 miles/kWh.

For comparison’s sake, the ’16 Volt’s raw numbers are ~14.4 kWh usuable/53 EPA miles = 3.68 miles/kWh


Correction: Volt’s number should be 53/14.4 = 3.68 miles/kWh



“Chevy until now has been touting a 200-mile figure, but Gesse said that the vehicle’s range will actually be greater than that number.

“We know we’ll be over (200 miles), we just don’t know how far we’ll be over,” he said.”

What more do you need?


Is that a serious question?

We need an official range rating from the EPA, of course. That won’t come until very shortly before Chevy starts actually selling the car.

I realize that not everyone will share my opinion, but treating a statement by a corporate spokesman as gospel is pretty naive.


So you think a bunch of senior GM executives, to include the CEO, North American President, and Bolt product manager, would all go on record saying the Bolt will achieve at least a 200 mile EPA rating, but turn out it will only get a 160-170 mile official rating? You think they would really risk that kind of embarrassment?

Seriously, take off the blinders. The Bolt will have a 200+ EPA range.


bro1999 said:

“So you think a bunch of senior GM executives… would all go on record… You think they would really risk that kind of embarrassment?”

Were those the same senior GM executives who not only “risked”, but actually created, this rather greater embarrassment for GM, on a very similar subject, not so long ago?


Paul Stoller

Is that really a fair comparison, those estimates were provided while the EPA tests were being developed. From the time there have been solid EPA tests GM has given very accurate estimates.


Those exaggerations from GM’s ads and PR are not an anomaly or an outlier; they are the norm from EV manufacturers.

Nissan advertised the Leaf as a “100 mile” EV, even after the EPA rated it at 73 miles… and continued to do so at auto shows, even after the EPA had revised the rating to 75 miles.

Similarly, Tesla advertised the Model S as a “300 mile car”, and for all I know, they still do.

So I don’t find it persuasive when you claim that suddenly GM has started being scrupulously honest. It’s the truthful claim of range for the Volt 2.0 which is the outlier… not the multiple lies about the Volt 1.0’s EV range and MPG.

And yes, I know that absurd “230 MPG” claim for the Volt 1.0 originated with the EPA and their very unrealistic early testing procedures for EVs. But GM knew it was total B.S., yet they chose to advertise it anyway.

Maybe you think GM should be given a pass on that. I don’t. When you repeat something you know isn’t true, then it’s a lie.


“Those exaggerations from GM’s ads and PR are not an anomaly or an outlier; they are the norm from EV manufacturers.”

Bull. The 230MPG number was based on EPA’s proposed methodology at the time, which the EPA then changed before releasing.

And despite this, many, many people still attain average MPG numbers with the Volt in excess of 230.


Want to bet money about the Bolt’s official EPA range? Everything done from Paypal. Just let me know. I’m willing to put money where my mouth is…what about you?

$100? $1,000?


In my experience, attempts to follow through on a bet made between two anonymous Internet posters rarely end well; such attempts usually end in acrimony, with both parties accusing the other of dishonesty.

If I’m wrong, then you can have the satisfaction of pointing and laughing at me, and saying “Nyah nyah nyah!”

Won’t that be sufficient, bro1999? 🙂


I see you are already backtracking off your claims of a 160-170 mile EPA range. It’s ok, if you don’t want to man up, I understand. If I just read all those quotes from GM officials, I’d be backing off the ridiculous 160 mile EPA range estimates too.

Offer is still open. We can exchange paypal emails anytime you want.

Well played sir!


The 230MPG is close if not low to what most Volt owners get. It can be higher or lower depending on your ICE usage.


Oh dear; someone else who doesn’t know what “MPG” actually means. That’s fake MPG, not real MPG.

Edmunds.com rated the Volt 1.0 at 31.4 MPG.

That is, of course, real MPG and not fake MPG.


That’s some great cherry picking of half-facts to back up your opinion.

MPG is a 100% relevant stat, as is saying people are getting 230+MPG. Why? Because that is demonstrating how little gasoline they are using.

If you want to talk energy conversion efficiency and equate it to our typical MPG use, then you get into MPGe which the Volt delivers in the high 90’s.

But please, don’t embarrass yourself and quote a cold-engine-only MPG of 34.1 ignoring all battery use, to suggest you are right about something that simply is not true.


P-P: I fully understand your skepticism/cynicism. However, I disagree with the Volt’s MPG claim you quoted. This past summer I took a vacation trip of about 1000 miles, with 4 adults and the car packed to the limit(every square inch was filled in). I averaged 39.9MPG at highway speeds and A/C on(OK, moderate level). I was only able to plug in once(the night before I left from home). I am satisfied that the Volt got me almost exactly 40 MPG. I think you are being a little too harsh on GM in this case



Pushimi, MPG is Miles Per Gallon. Literally – miles driven divided by gallons used. That’s it. It does not account for electricity usage, nor should it. For those interested in that, there are other metrics. It appears you mistakenly are referring to MPGcs numbers, but are labeling that as as MPG.

MPG is an important metric to many Volt ownders, or other PHEV owners, that either:
-are on a clean grid
-have home solar
-don’t care about your electricity bill because you much prefer domestic energy vs. imported oil
-don’t care about the electirc bill as much as their gasoline bill, because extra kWh still make less of a difference in their budget compared to extra gas $ needed with their previous rig, or current 2nd car.


That 230 mpg figure was used BEFORE MPG(e) was adopted by the EPA for (PH)EV’s.


If they do, the overall weight will be significantly lower than expected.


Really, you need to step back. GM hasn’t even unveiled it yet, and you are complaining. Based on past history, pack capacity will be revealed closer to availability. That’s how GM did it with the Spark EV,

IMHO Range will be over 200 miles EPA. GM has stated that they’ve achieved it easily in pre-production testing.


Pushmi-Pullyu:”If the Volt will have a real-world range of 200 miles, then why doesn’t GM tell us what the battery capacity is?”

They do, it is currently 18.something kWh. Oh, I bet you meant Bolt instead of Volt. I still think that name is confusing.


Ack! Thanks for the correction. Yes, I meant “Bolt” not “Volt”.


Agreed, the name is confusing and it is occasionally going to get mixed up.


Prepare to be quite surprised. 🙂 It will have more than 200 EPA miles.

Although, I expect the detractors to move on to saying “well, that’s not 200 real world miles.”

Nonda Trimis



Breezy, I agree with you but the tough part about describing range for electric vehicles is that they are more impacted by temperature than an ICE. So if the Bolt gets an EPA combined AER of 200 miles, it will probably be 150 miles in freezing, snowy days, but it will be 230+ miles in warm temps.
I would bet the Bolt will go significantly more than its EPA stated range in the warmer months, just the way my 2013 Volt goes way more than 38 miles 9 months out of the year.


I can bet that the EPA rating woll be better than 200 miles. The engineers testing the pre-production cars have posted over 230 miles of range.

BTW, someone did get 119 miles out of the 53-mile rated 2016 Volt. Someone will get over 250 miles out of the Bolt EV next year!


And someone managed to drive 452.8 miles in a Tesla Model S on a single charge.

We can applaud their accomplishment as a stunt, but it has no relevance to real-world driving.


I really doubt Tesla will come to market with a more competitive product at this price. Now it’s just up to Nissan. My guess is they will deliver a larger car, but less powerful, and with an inferior battery (as far as degradation).

I really hope the Bolt comes standard with heated seats, heated steering wheel, and DC fast charging. If so, it should make an excellent value.


Agreed… All things being equal GM, Ford, Toyota will be able to produce any given car cheaper than a competitor due to parts cost. Tesla might have a battery cell cost advantage, but I think GM nullified that cost advantage by the level of integration they did with LG.


I would expect the Bolt to have heated seats(at least front) plus the steering wheel heated. Cannot imagine Quick Charge being an “option”…every potential buyer will want it. So why not standard?


MSRP price. If you want to keep the MSRP down a cheap trick is to decontent the car to give the impression of an artificially low price. Tesla uses this very effectively — you see people on this board citing unrealistically low prices for a Model S when comparing it to fully equipped alternatives.

Stupid game for stupid people but it works. LOL


To get the base price into the promised range, and then most pay more to have DC fast charging and whatever other optional features there are. Tesla has been doing that forever, 70K base price but after you get what you think is making it sweet its at 107K.


Leaf Owner

Frankly — looks a lot like the leaf…..


Yes, because it is electric and has four wheels…



“Do you honestly believe Tesla will be at this point early next year with the Model 3?”

No, nor early 2018 either. I’m guessing 3rd quarter 2018 for start of substantial numbers of deliveries. (Obviously that’s just a guess.)

But neither do I believe “The Bolt actually puts some pressure on Tesla.” It’s been widely reported that GM plans to cap Bolt production at 30,000 per year… which is only about half of Leaf production.

Contrariwise, Tesla says its aim is 500,000 cars per year, altho that’s for all its cars, not just the Model ≡.

If the Model ≡ is as successful as Tesla plans, then the Bolt won’t even qualify as a speed bump. Remember, Tesla wants to compete with the 99% of the market that is gasmobiles… not the 1% of the market that is plug-in EVs.


I mentioned the same thing earlier this afternoon and someone pointed this out to me which could mean much more than 30k production ?



do you know the difference between 3GW/a and 35?


The 30k was a statement based on current capacity of the Holland, MI LG Chem plant that makes batteries for the Volt, Spark, ELR, etc… That plant has room for more capacity and a story came out weeks ago that it might become the first Giga factory in the US before Tesla.

Just because GM says 30k doesn’t mean they don’t want to sell 100k. They just want to exceed their target. If dealers have orders I’m sure they’ll build to demand.

GM does not control its own battery supply. Of all EV makers, only Nissan and BYD do. Tesla is working hard to achieve that with Gigafactory 1, but won’t be getting much volume production until (probably) later this year. How much GM would be able to ramp up Bolt production, even if they want to, is anybody’s guess. But it’s not very realistic to think they can ramp it up as much or as fast as Tesla can with the Model ≡. Not unless GM builds its own high-capacity battery factories, and clearly they have no plans at present to do that. It’s all very well to say “Well, LG Chem can ramp up to meet GM’s demand.” But in the real world, it doesn’t work that way. Tesla’s production has been, and probably still is, constrained by Panasonic’s battery production, even though Tesla tried very hard to convince (and even strong-arm) Panasonic to ramp up faster. GM will have the same problem with LG Chem. * * * * * But all that is largely beside the point. The point is that GM does not want to ramp up production of the Bolt. GM doesn’t make nearly as big… Read more »

You may be right, but there is also the possibility that GM has “seen the light” and is positioning themselves to be a leader in EV’s.I am sure that, like the German companies, they have seen the effect that Tesla has had and anticipate the world going in the electrification direction. If so,address the challenge head on.



GM doesn’t manufacture their own batteries, but LG is a partner in building the Bolt. This isn’t like the Panasonic relationship with Tesla where they just wanted more batteries from Panasonic. The more Bolts that sell helps LG across their many disciplines, not just battery manufacturing.


Perhaps 2020 CAFE requirements will give them a nudge.


They don’t plan to “cap” production at any volume. Where do people get this stuff from?

They said the are expecting to sell 30,000 per year. That’s an approximation.

If it sells well, they will figure out how to make more.


And even the 30k number is just a rumor.


Is that you in there David M?


you really believe that Tesla is going to manufacture 500,000 cars in ONE YEAR?…Stop drinking the kool-aid…with their current manufacturing setup that number will NOT be achieved…:(


Kudos to GM!

In an EV world so overcrowded with concept cars and vaporware it’s great to see a new production vehicle.

I wonder what this car will do to sales of the Leaf? I am NOT rooting against Nissan or rooting for GM but to me this car looks like a Leaf on steroids.

It seems Chevy is positioning this as a maximum impact city car and not a cross country via DCFC car, which is okay.

An urban car without range anxiety.


“An urban car without range anxiety”

Slight tweak – a suburban car without range anxiety.

An urban car is called a bicycle.


If you live in a hill rain city that’s just a bridge too far.




Oh, didn’t see this tidbit mentioned: Bolt will support both Android Auto and Apple Carplay.


Realdb2: The car will “work” as a city car w/o a Q/C network, but it will surely sell at a much lower number. This car looks compelling and is a very marketable car. It “needs” a viable charging network though. I am sure the question will be asked of Mary Bara of how are they going to develop one(if they have plans to, etc).



I understand your reasoning but …. In CA there will be a public QC charging network available but it will be available mostly in large metro areas. That works for condo or apartment dwellers which I think is the target market and one which, so far, has been totally shut out of the EV market. Having a QC available for long distance driving seems more of a concern for wealthy suburban types who have home charging options easily available. IOW there is no point in worrying about long distance travel if you can’t charge for local travel or can’t afford an EV in the first place.

Because it may work for younger people living in condos or apartments I think this car is a big deal.

I would buy a Bolt when available as a second vehicle for local driving. For me to do long distance trips we need service stations available that can do a 80% quick charge. Similar to the Tesla network. I know we have some stations available at hotels and restaurants in some areas. We need them along major routes of travel.


Seems like there are many small innovations which help make this a compelling vehicle. Have to see how they work out in practice.


small innovations? Please DonC!

How does the overhead view work? When using the forward or reverse cameras, there is also an aerial shot from a virtual camera about 20ft above the car. How are they creating that image? Are they changing the proportions on the images from the front/rear cameras? (or is there drone that follows you as you drive 🙂 )

Apparently it’s call Surround Vision.

“Gesse said the Bolt will feature two technological firsts for Chevy: a rear camera mirror and surround vision.”

Guess I should have read further.

“Surround vision uses four cameras to create a 360 degree view around the vehicle that a driver can use while parking.”

Our X3 had a similar system, and LEAF has optionally now (along with most Nissan vehicles).

I finally had a chance to watch the video. The rearview mirror/cam is brilliant. I love how GM used the old dimmer mechanism to switch between them.

Ocean Railroader

This is the best weapon we have to use ageist Sandi Arabia and Iran. The reason is those two counties along with OPEC are crying the blues that oil prices are staying super low. Well I say let’s get a few hundred thousand of these new Chevy Bolts on the Road and slaughter some oil demand.


Spoken like a patriot, man. Drive electric!


I like it ! The less oil used, especially from the Middle East, the better.


Using All American electricity to power our cars isn’t just a lot more fun than using gas, it is the American (substitute Canadian for our North of the border friends) thing to do!
Cutting my use of Jihadi Juice to almost nothing with my Volt!

My sentiments exactly. My primary reason for driving electric is energy independence.

And I love the phrase jihadi juice, I’m going to steal that from you!


Saudi Arabia is US ally more or less, at least until some islamist revolution there, so don’t be paranoid like these guys wanting to bomb imaginary country.


Unfortunately the world works as it does, not as we wish it would. The Saudi’s want everyone to know that they control the price of oil.
They are trying to flush out the weaker oil players, where more expensive oil is produced, I call it the Saudi Gambit. It is a long range plan instituted to hurt the opposition, heck it even hurts the high price producers of OPEC, who are screaming for relief,as you suggest. The Saudi’s ignore them.

Meanwhile politically they knife the Russians and Iranians, whom they hate, with low oil prices. The Saudi’s are using strong arm tactics to hurt the other producers and retain market share. Problem is when you punch someone in the face, it hurts your hand too.


Is it using the Frankencharger?

It uses CCS for DCFC and J1772 for L1 & L2 charging.


I was on Youtube last night and caught the write-ups and video on the Bolt. My first impressions were that GM did a much better job than I was expecting. In particular, the Bolt looks roomier than I thought it would. Having driven an I-MiEV for 2 years I knew that a compact car can still be comfortable inside if things are set up right. The Bolt’s back seating looks more than roomy enough for a large guy, which I have to complement GM on. The recap of the car’s specs confirms that GM did their homework. Best wishes to them and hope this car sells like hotcakes. Not that Tesla needs any incentive, but I bet they took notice of this and realize that the MODEL 3 has some competition. I really expect the M3 to be more well apportioned (and larger too).


I just don’t see Tesla hitting their price point. Larger means heavier or more expensive if using aluminum. Tesla has no history of mixed materials usage or even steel. I guess we’ll see in the coming months what they plan on producing.


theflew, I think you are right about Tesla not being able to hit the price point they are talking about for the III. It will probably be in the low to mid $40k range.
BUT, it will be a VERY COOL car! And for a few thousand more, you will be able to use the SuperCharger network, which will have a boat load of chargers by the time the III comes out 18-30 months from now.


Agreed, I think GM is putting some real pressure on Tesla specifically on the Model 3 price. I’ve heard all sorts of hedging about price so the Bolt does pose a challenge.


Lou said:

“In particular, the Bolt looks roomier than I thought it would… The Bolt’s back seating looks more than roomy enough for a large guy, which I have to complement GM on.”

Indeed! I have been disappointed at the negative remarks about the style of the rear end of the Bolt. Kudos to GM for choosing practicality over style. That high roof line at the rear may not look sexy, but it will be greatly appreciated by back seat riders, especially tall ones.


Get Real

Nice to see the Bolt has the 360 degree overhead lookaround feature (at least as an option) that the leaf has had on their high trim for awhile.


What is all that hammering noise??? Oh wait, it’s the nails in the BMW i3 BEV’s coffin. Seriously though, I know BMW is going to boost the i3 BEV’s range somewhat next year, but I don’t think it is anywhere near this level…ouch for BMW.

Agreed, i3 is going to take a beating when this is out, assuming same 0 – 60 and more than double the range.


Take a deep breath folks.

“Chevy is waiting to unveil more details about the battery and performance until next week at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.”



Anyone know where we can watch a live stream of Mary Barra’s speech?


On the Chevrolet Facebook page.

Starting at 1 PM Pacific, 4 PM Eastern, 5 PM Atlantic if you’re in the Maritimes or Puerto Rico.


Excellent. Thank you.


This may well be our next car. Nicely done, GM. If it really gets close to 200 miles range in the real world as reports indicate, it’s a done deal for us. For us to travel regionally, It’s about a 100 mile drive north or west, or a 70 mile drive south or east with 3,000 – 4,000 feet of climbing, and this is the only EV other than a Tesla that can do that without long stops for charging at inconvenient places like RV parks. Can’t wait.


Now we know the 60 kWh Nissan IDS was no blender, it only was the next Leaf for 2017. What do you think, is Nissan going in wrong direction if Leaf will be similiar to IDS? IDS is overact to range, range and RANGE! 230 miles with this low drag and narrow tires are possible, but who needs?! Will people take a practical roomy Bolt with 200 miles or Nissan Leaf 2 where you sit on ground like in Model S and aerodynamics restrict practicability / trunk?
So please Nissan give us a 60 kWh Roque with dual drive.


A 60 kWh Rogue with AWD would be awesome. I’d buy that in a heartbeat.


Rouge 60 kWh AWD would be a game changer w/ 200 mi. range and, 40k after rebates. I will get in line after trading in my 2013 Leaf. Pass on the 2017 Bolt for 30K after rebates.


I’m still holding tight to see what Tesla shows off with the Model 3 this April… and how much of a deposit they want for one. The plus for the Bolt for us CA residents is that if they stay true to their delivery dates, we may still have the $2500 state rebate to take advantage of. If I wait for the Tesla, which likely won’t be around until early 2018, this rebate will be gone for sure. The supercharging network is very compelling for me on the Tesla side.


I believe that car makers such as GM are not in a hurry to establish a super charger network because it can be deployed very quickly and at low cost (compared to other investments such car maker have).


A very specious statement lacking support, evidence, or reasonableness.


Book value of supercharger network was $154.4 million on September 2015. It is peanuts for big automaker or automaker alliance, assuming they seriously planning going electric mass market. They may not believe it though, as gas is cheap and gas car are still cheaper.


Those $154M should be for example compared to cost of building and staffing the needed number of service centers to make Tesla comparable to GM for example. I have a VW because VW service center is at walking distance from my home. If GM service center was closer (no chance, not distributed in Europe) I could very well have a GM. I believe it would be a lot lot cheaper for GM to establish a super charger network than for Tesla to have an acceptable network of service centersn and that’s the difference between selling 50K cars to die hard fans rather than 5 million cars to guys like me .


I see that they are not calling it the 2016 Bolt anymore. I hope we can put that baby to bed. Now its 2017 Bolt.


From the article post: “DC fast charger will recharge car from 0 to 80% in 45 minutes”

What about a DC Fast-Charge Network plan???


Right. Somebody needs to be planning one now. What we really need in this country is a company like Fastned in the Netherlands. A for profit company that will rollout a nationwide network of fast charge stations at rest stops and other locations along main highways. This will really only become possible and necessary with longer range and therefore faster charging affordable EV’s. When Audi begins their 150 kW fast charging station rollout in 2018 I would hope to see a Fastned style rollout start here in the US. But somebody’s going to need to step up to the plate and have a real vision and passion to do a totally awesome nationwide rollout like Fastned is doing in the Netherlands and plans to do in most of Europe. Have a look at this great read if you haven’t already:



Five seat; nice.
Now it just need a roof rack to put a ski box on. With so little luggage space, it has to have the possibility of a ski box.


I really like the hatch, especially in comparison to my 2012 Leaf (Yeah, I know, it’s not the greatest example, but still).