2016 Nissan LEAF Now On Sale In U.S.

NOV 4 2015 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 75

Starting yesterday, the 2016 Nissan LEAF officially went on sales nationwide in the U.S according to the company’s social media.

The much-anticipated 2016 LEAF, with its available 30 kWh battery pack, provides up to 107 miles of range, according to the EPA.

Pricing for the 2016 LEAF was announced way back in early September, but Nissan sent out a refresher yesterday (see press release below) to remind us of the prices for the various versions of the 2016 LEAF.

Separately, we’ve been able to confirm that some dealerships expect to see at least a handful of 2016 LEAFs on the lots by as early as next week.

So, if the 2016 LEAF interests you (especially the longer-range 30 kWh version, a super value according to our charts), then it’s time to hit up your local dealer to put that order in.

2016 Nissan LEAF

2016 Nissan LEAF

Nissan announces U.S. pricing for 2016 LEAF

NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Nissan today announced U.S. pricing for the 2016 Nissan LEAF, which goes on sale soon at LEAF Certified Nissan dealers nationwide. For 2016, the all-electric LEAF is available with a 30 kWh battery that provides an EPA-rated best-in-class* range of 107** miles – a 27 percent increase over the previous 24 kWh battery. The new battery is standard for LEAF SV and LEAF SL models. The 2016 model also offers an enhanced IT system that is more user-friendly and gives drivers greater vehicle connectivity.

The 2016 Nissan LEAF has a starting price of $26,700*** after the federal tax credit of $7,500 for the SV model and $29,290*** for LEAF SL after the federal tax credit. LEAF S models continue to be equipped with a 24 kWh battery with an EPA-rated range of 84** miles. Starting price for 2016 Nissan LEAF S grade remains $21,510*** after the federal tax incentive.

Along with the new battery, other enhancements for the 2016 model year include standard NissanConnect with Mobile Apps with 5.0-inch color display for LEAF S models. LEAF SV and SL grades add NissanConnect with Navigation and Mobile Apps, featuring a 7.0-inch color display with multi-touch control and Nissan Voice Recognition.

The NissanConnect EV system (no-charge subscription required), also standard on SV and SL grades, allows remote connection to the vehicle, providing monitoring of battery state-of-charge, start charging event control and turning on the heating and air conditioning system prior to entering the vehicle.

The 2016 model also offers three new premium-look exterior colors: Forged Bronze, Coulis Red and Deep Blue Pearl (eight colors total).

Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Prices* (MSRP) for the 2015 Nissan LEAF are:

LEAF S $29,010 USD
LEAF SV $34,200 USD
LEAF SL $36,790 USD

Destination and Handling $850 USD

All LEAF models feature an 80kW AC synchronous motor that generates 107 horsepower and 187 lb-ft of torque, providing a highly responsive, fun-to-drive experience that consumers often expect from traditional, gasoline-powered vehicles. Unlike internal combustion engine-equipped vehicles, LEAF has no tailpipe, which means there is no emission of CO2 or other greenhouse gases.

About the 2016 Nissan LEAF

Since LEAF launched in December 2010, Nissan has become the global leader in electric vehicle (EV) sales with an all-electric car specifically designed for the mass market. To maintain that leadership, the company is continuously developing battery technology that strikes that ideal balance between capacity, packaging, durability and affordability.

The bestselling 100-percent electric vehicle in the United States – and the world –takes a big leap forward for 2016, becoming the first affordable all-electric car to offer more than 100 miles of EPA-rated range on a single charge.

Now standard on all 2016 Nissan LEAF SV and LEAF SL models, the new 30 kWh battery provides an EPA-rated 107-mile driving range** on a fully charged battery. LEAF S models come with a 24 kWh battery rated at 84 miles** on a full charge, giving buyers a choice in affordability and range.

In addition, the new battery offers improved charging performance. The battery in LEAF SV and SL can be quick-charged to 80 percent (from the low battery charge warning) in about 30 minutes, providing about 22 percent more miles of range compared to a 30-minute quick charge on previous LEAF models. Charging on a normal home charging system (Level 2, 240V) is estimated to take about six hours.

The new 30 kWh battery design adds capacity without increasing battery package size by improving the cell structure of the laminated lithium-ion battery cells. Improved electrode material with revised chemistry results in higher power density and enhanced battery durability upon charge and discharge.

While the 24 kWh battery is composed of four cells per module (192 cells total), the new 30 kWh battery’s modules contain eight newly designed cells per module (192 cells total). Unlike conventional cylindrical batteries, the thin, compact laminated cells offer more flexibility in packaging and design applications. The 30 kWh battery weighs just 46 pounds more than the 24 kWh battery and has the same battery pack size and footprint.

The new battery is only the beginning of the enhancements to the 2016 LEAF. Audio, entertainment and connectivity upgrades start with the addition of standard NissanConnectSM with Mobile Apps with 5.0-inch color display for LEAF S models. The system includes Bluetooth® Hands-free Phone System, Streaming audio via Bluetooth®, Hands-free Text Messaging Assistant and USB connection port for iPod® interface and other compatible devices.

2016 LEAF SV and SL grades add standard NissanConnect with Navigation and Mobile Apps– featuring a 7.0-inch color display with multi-touch control, Nissan Voice Recognition for navigation and audio, HD radio, and SiriusXM Travel LinkTM for weather, movie listings, stock prices and sports (SiriusXM subscription required, sold separately).

The menu screen graphics and customization process have been improved and charging screen information is now automatically updated every time the ignition is turned on and with every 12 miles of driving.

The NissanConnect EV system (no-charge subscription required), also standard on SV and SL grades, allows remote connection to the vehicle, providing monitoring of battery state-of-charge, start charging event control and turning on the heating and air conditioning system prior to entering the vehicle.

Other enhancements include a new graphic interface display with improved readability and improved voice recognition system performance with the new beam forming microphone and one-shot functionality. Both the LEAF owner website and mobile app have been updated with new features and a more user-friendly interface.

As in previous years, Nissan LEAF continues to offer the space and range to meet every day needs while also providing an exceptional value proposition due to zero spending on gas, lower maintenance costs and a starting price after tax incentives competitive with a comparable gas-powered car. All 2016 LEAF models include three drive modes: Normal, Eco-Mode and B-Mode.

For the lithium-ion battery pack in LEAF, Nissan offers a New Electric Vehicle Limited Warranty**** covering defects in materials or workmanship for eight years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first. Nissan also provides a limited warranty against battery capacity loss below nine bars of capacity as shown on the vehicle’s battery capacity level gauge for the first eight years or 100,000 miles for SV and SL models, and for the first five years or 60,000 miles for S models.

The distinctive exterior styling of Nissan LEAF is characterized by sharp, upright V-shaped design featuring long, up-slanting halogen headlights. LED low beam headlights and fog lights are standard on LEAF SL models. The headlights split and redirect airflow away from the door mirrors, reducing wind noise and drag.

Other exterior features include standard rear spoiler, flat underbody with rear diffuser and aerodynamically shaped LED taillights. The charge port is hidden under a small door located in the front of the vehicle, with a standard light and door lock feature. The five-door hatchback design also features chrome door handles, aerodynamic outside mirrors and a large greenhouse to provide a bright interior environment. The aerodynamic design results in a low coefficient of drag of just 0.28.

Inside, the digital instrument panel includes a speedometer, battery temperature gauge, power meter, remaining energy gauge, capacity level gauge, distance-to-empty display and drive mode indicator. A percent state-of-charge display is featured in the trip computer. LEAF SV and SL models also display “reachable area,” as well as showing a selection of nearby charging stations on the navigation info screen.

All 2016 Nissan LEAF models include standard Bluetooth® Hands-free Phone System and RearView Monitor. Nissan’s advanced Around View® Monitor, which helps provide a virtual 360-degree view of objects around the vehicle, is offered as part of the Premium Package for SV and SL grades. The Premium Package also includes the seven-speaker Energy Efficient Series Bose® premium audio system. Nissan LEAF safety features include six air bags, four-wheel Anti-Lock Braking System (ABS), Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC) and Traction Control System (TCS).

LEAF is assembled in the United States at Nissan’s Smyrna, Tenn., assembly plant, with battery assembly taking place next door in Nissan’s battery assembly plant.

For 2016, Nissan LEAF is available in three trim levels: LEAF S, SV and SL, along with two option packages: the Charge Package (LEAF S grade only) with 6.6 kW onboard charger and Quick Charge port; and the Premium Package (LEAF SV and SL only).

About Nissan North America
In North America, Nissan’s operations include automotive styling, engineering, consumer and corporate financing, sales and marketing, distribution and manufacturing. Nissan is dedicated to improving the environment under the Nissan Green Program and has been recognized annually by the U.S Environmental Protection Agency as an ENERGY STAR® Partner of the Year since 2010. More information on Nissan in North America and the complete line of Nissan and Infiniti vehicles can be found online at www.NissanUSA.com and www.InfinitiUSA.com, or visit the U.S. media sites NissanNews.com and InfinitiNews.com.

About Nissan Motor Co.
Nissan Motor Co., Ltd., Japan’s second-largest automotive company, is headquartered in Yokohama, Japan, and is part of the Renault-Nissan Alliance. Operating with more than 247,500 employees globally, Nissan sold 5.32 million vehicles and generated revenue of 11.38 trillion yen (USD 103.6 billion) in fiscal year 2014. Nissan delivers a comprehensive range of more than 60 models under the Nissan, Infiniti and Datsun brands. Nissan leads the world in zero-emission mobility, dominated by sales of the LEAF, the first mass-market, pure-electric vehicle. It is the best-selling EV in history with almost 50% share of the zero-emission vehicle segment. For more information on our products, services and commitment to sustainable mobility, visit our website at http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/.

*Comparison based on MY16 LEAF vs. 2015 and 2016 non-luxury 100% electric vehicle competitors (Source: fueleconomy.gov). MY16 EPA range of 107 miles. Actual range may vary based on driving conditions. Use for comparison only.

**2016 EPA Fuel Economy Estimate Nissan LEAF 2016 S Trim 126 city, 101 highway. Based on EPA formula of 33.7 kW/hour equal to one gallon of gasoline energy, EPA rated the LEAF® equivalent to 126 MPGe measured as gasoline fuel efficiency in city driving, and 101 MPGe in highway driving. Actual mileage may vary with driving conditions — use for comparison only. 2016 EPA range of 84 miles. 2016 EPA Fuel Economy Estimate Nissan LEAF 2016 SV & SL Trim: 2016 EPA Fuel Economy Estimate 124 city, 101 highway. Based on EPA formula of 33.7 kW/hour equal to one gallon of gasoline energy, EPA rated the LEAF® equivalent to 124 MPGe measured as gasoline fuel efficiency in city driving, and 101 MPGe in highway driving. Actual mileage may vary with driving conditions — use for comparison only. 2016 EPA range of 107 miles.

***2016 Nissan LEAF as low as $21,510 net value after maximum federal tax credit of $7,500 for S grade. MSRP $29,010 for S grade. Dealer sets actual price. Prices and spec are subject to change without notice. Excludes tax, title, license and destination charges. The incentive referenced is for informational purposes only. This information does not constitute tax or legal advice. All persons considering use of available incentives should consult with their own tax or legal professional to determine eligibility, specific amount of incentives available, if any, and further details. Destination and handling $850.

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A Leaf with just 107 miles of AER costs $3,000 more than a Volt? That makes no sense at all.

It does if you want a all electric.

I do want to drive an electric but it is a preference for me, not a religion. My Volt and I have used 28 gallons in 28 months and done road trips that would have been a real pain in a Leaf. The Leaf is a limited utility vehicle and the Volt is a full utility vehicle.
That is the reason for my disbelief when I realized the new Leaf will actually cost more than a Volt.

Many would prefer the car with twice the EPA EV range in the LEAF vs Volf comparison Especially in your case. If you only used 2 gallons in 28 months, that is at most 40 miles average gas miles per month. And yet to achieve that you only had half the EV range of the LEAF. If you could have gone double the range, I suspect you could have driven even less than the 40 gas miles per month. With no fast charging, the Volt is not nearly as convenient to make those easy 150/200 mile weekend trips on pure EV miles. And then throw in the extra weight and complexity of the ICE, and its a no brainer for me to take a pure BEV.

I meant 28 gallons in 28 months. Not 2 gallons. So a gallon a month average, shows you barely need to lug around that gas engine in the first place.

I only drove more than 100 miles 10 or 12 times. But finding a charger where I was would have been problematic. 87 miles or 107 isn’t enough for a BEV to be my main car. The Bolt and the Tesla 3 may have the range needed soon but the Leaf isn’t there yet.

Its all relative. I have heard of people driving to from Los Angeles to Vegas in a Model S, and finding it a PIA to wait for a charging stall at the Supercharging station. And when carefully driving at 65mph with the AC on, while ICE cars are flying by you at 85mph. People find out that at 85mph, the Model S range goes way down. No where near ~280 miles. But the point is, 107 miles EPA with the occasional DCQC is more than enough for 90% of the population’s daily needs. But yes, I understand, where you live and the DCQC network may influence your decision quite a bit. I live in Southern California, and there at quick chargers at every major mall around me, and then some. I just wish the would work on the network between here and the Bay Area. But back on point, if you look at how many moving parts it takes to make a Volt work vs a LEAF, the Nissan looks like a model of simplicity. At least for me, that is one of the biggest advantages of a BEV to start with. Gas engines are complex and relatively unreliable compared… Read more »

“Nissan looks like a model of simplicity.”

LOL. So simple that it forgot to put in a good thermal management system.

Your concern of complexity of PHEV are exaggerated to make a point for your bias.

A 2012 254k miles Volt only had 6 oil changes in its lifetime and no mechanical issues with engines. 2012 Volt has similar reliabilty rating as a 2012 LEAF despite the so called complexity.

In addition, when PHEV operates, it lightens load on both engines and electric motors which effectively share the tear and wear on both.

Which also means that when it comes time to replace the battery, you also look at the gas engine with suspicion and ask “why bother getting a new battery with such old gas engine” Having had a Hybrid, no a fan of Hybrids.

Now that we’ve seen both cars operate for 5 years, we can say that the VOLT, (and ELR, which all will be GEN 1 only) and the Leaf are very REAL WORLD vehicles. Other than the first batteries in the LEAF, the newer batteries, at least we’re told here, are an improvement, and they are finally putting a decent capacity warranty on the more expensive 30 kwh model – a GOOD THING, I’d think. But the VOLT and ELR (both my GEN 1’s) I’m hoping will be as good, or even better reliability than the leaf. From what I can see, the dinky 1400 cc “HOPELESSLY OLD_FASHIONED OUT-OF-DATE ENGINE” is very reliable long term – the bugs are OUT. The battery in both cars, per Lutz, is designed for 10 year, 150,000 mile longevity. By the time I have an EV for 10 years, I’ll want something more modern anyway, since we all look with anticipation towards the next more modern models. The resale value should still be fine, since even a 10 year old GM EV should be able to drive at least some miles on electric, hopefully similiar to brand new 20 mile ford phev’s. As I’ve mentioned… Read more »

Model S or Leaf, a pure BEV still only can be the second or third car in the family. I’ve driven my 100 mile Spark EV over 22K miles already in 18 months. So, these commuter cars are also very important in cutting CO2 emissions. More so, as they cut pollution within urban areas.
If your commute is 30-40 miles each way, then a 107 mile Leaf is better than a Volt. But if you only have one car in the family or run errands sometimes, Volt is probably better for you.

Not everyone drives as much as you. I have a 2012 Leaf and I drive 40 miles a day (15 miles each way + a lunch break).

So long as I can charge it to a 60 mile range I’m fine driving it as my only car.

So, do you rent a car if you need to go long distance someday?

Yea but that gas engine eliminates the tow truck and the rental car

I’m kinda with Ziv on this one. While I LOVE the purity and simplicity of a pure EV (and I’d like to award Nissan for their EV dedication), the Volt is a relative bargain if it’s less expensive. Because… the new volt with 50 miles AER really IS good enough for most trips. Yes, I hate the fact that you’re lugging around a gas engine, but…

I agree with you. All-EV is great, but most folks still need an ICE-car for even moderate trips, so you are still burdened with all that mechanical baggage.

If you’re going to be an early adopter, don’t do it halfway and rely on old technology to hobble your way around.

Just bite the bullet and start demanding the things that everyone’s going to need in the future. Then you’re actually paving the way for everyone else, instead of “kinda sorta, maybe, making a bit of a difference”.

By going with a full EV and telling people that make such decisions, “I need a DCQC here and here to get there”, you’re making it so that the 2016 Leaf is going to make sense to a lot more people. Likewise for the 2018 Leaf. And the Soul EV. And anyone else with a ChaDeMo plug.

And on top of that, you’re not “using X% less” where X is less than 100. The future needs to be using 100% less oil, and soon.

David correctly pointed out that the 107 mile AER Leaf can be bought for a little over $1000 more than a Volt so it isn’t quite as bad a deal as I thought.

Haha!

Initially, I read your comment as incredulity over how cheap the new LEAF is, and I was going to say: “I know, right!”.

107 mile range with a super simple EV drive train! Amazing! 😀

ALL ELECTRIC 0r NOTHING! For me…VOLT = 2 motors, More complicated… = more mainteance , Double trouble in the future when Things Start to wear out. UNLESS YOU LEASE & GIVE IT BACK EVERY 3 TO 4 YRS MAX! ……….Cheers !

This guy disagrees with you.

http://www.voltstats.net/Stats/Details/1579

The Owner of this vehicle has about 200 mile commute (total) and according to him, the amount maintenance is near minimal with one issue. Volt is many things and has many limitations, but maintenance is not one of them.

Please stop pushing that narrative for promoting a EV purist agenda. There is a reason Volt owners love Volt more than Leaf owners love Leaf.

Except that all the FUD you posted about the Volt is unfounded. More than 100K Gen 1 Volts were sold globally, in spite of the vehicle being used like a political punching bag and FUD like the one you posted appearing even after all these years. If there is any concern with durability, it should be with the Leaf and its air cooled battery. Early Leafs lost significant portion of their battery capacity, and even the new ones can’t hold a candle to Volts temperature managed batteries.

“UNLESS YOU LEASE & GIVE IT BACK EVERY 3 TO 4 YRS MAX! ……….”

LOL.

Apparently, that is what LEAF buyers do. They do it so they can leave that battery problem to the next buyer.

@ziv

Looks like lots of new things on the horizon. Very exciting time to be in the market.

Here’s a $/kwh breakdown of the lowest $/kwh vehicles:

Leaf 30kwh@34000$……1133$/kwh

Bolt 50kwh@37000$…….740$/kwh

used MS 85kwh@60000$……706$/kwh

oops need to do after tax break

Bolt 50 kwh@ 30000$= 600$/kwh

used MS 85kwh@61,000$= 718$/kwh

Leaf 30 kwh@ 26500$= 883$/kwh

My Volt lease ends in June of 2016 so I may need to get creative if the Bolt turns out to have roomier back sears than the Volt.
If the prices are similar, I would prefer a Tesla to a Bolt but I think 200 miles of AER is about the minimum a BEV can have and still be a full utility car, not a limited utility second car.
Interesting days, indeed!

Yep. Everyone has different needs and situations. If 107 miles doesn’t work for you, then it doesn’t work.

A used 85 sounds interesting, but I’d be worried about being out of warranty on one.

Leaf 200.000 sales worldwide, Volt 90.000 ? Volt in Europe no sucess, Leaf 45.000 sales. LEAF (BEV) WINS !

The 200 mile Bolt will be a game changer ONLY if there is a network of inter-city quickchargers to support it. Without this, you have a car with a 90-mile radius, which is only a marginal improvement over the Leaf. So far this doesn’t exist and GM has not indicated any interest in building out such a network.

This is what makes the Tesla III so attractive. However, I acknowledge that the Volt II is also an attractive choice.

It’s not know yet what kW size the Bolt will have is it?

Don’t dream, before the Bolt arrives in mass (Januar 2017) Nissan switch to LG and beat GM. Or do you think Ghosn is dreamer, he is a doer.

But… You might as well figure that the Tesla also gets 20% less EPA MPGe than the LEAF or BOLT. So raise that $718/kWh by 20% and you are right around $861. And you are comparing a new car vs used. Throw a used LEAF in there, and you are looking at $500 kWh. I mean who cares if a car is $500 kWh it is could only go 1 mile per kWh. I mean, I know its not that extreme with the Model S, but you get my point.

Leaf $34,000….Bolt $37,000…EVEN @ THE SAME PRICE, THE DECISION WOULD BE …, “A NO BRAINER”

The “no brainer” choice would be the Bolt with 200+ miles of range AND a temperature controlled battery. I would never buy a Leaf with its poorly managed battery.

2016 Volt Base – $33,170
2016 Leaf SV $34,200

So there is only $1,000 different and keep in mind that we’re comparing a base model Volt to a mid-range Leaf. So the equipment isn’t going to really be comparable. I suspect the two vehicles are really close in price if you get similar equipment.

I think that’s actually pretty reasonable. If you think about it, the Leaf has DOUBLE the electric range of the Volt. (107 vs. 53) and the ability to fast charge. With the Volt you trade that for a gas engine.

Personally, I think I’d rather have the 2016 Volt even if I had to pay a bit more. But I know people will have different opinions.

I stand corrected. I thought the sv had the smaller pack. So the “long range” range Leaf can be had for $1000 more than the Volt not $3k more.
Now if the Leaf had the new concepts looks I might be singing a different tune.

Options on the Volt are more expensive, for example, a Volt with leather seats is minimum $37,915.

http://www.chevrolet.com/volt-electric-car.html

Incorrect. You don’t have to order the LTZ version to get leather. The LT with leather is 35,355.

I don’t understand why an EV owner or interested person would want leather interior. You all know true environmentalists reduce or eliminate animal products, especially from larger mammals, right. According to sources like World Watch Institute, greenhouse gas emissions from livestock account for up to 51% of all human generate greenhouse gases. So, going vegan cut my personal carbon footprint in half. Since I want to do all I can, I’m also looking for a more responsible vehicle. Thanks for the information.

It does if you want a car you can see out of.

The Volt has no maintenance free motor.

The middle passenger in the back of the Volt must sit on an awkward bulge.

A LEAF with double the electric range of a Volt for only $3,000 more? Makes no sense…

The base leaf at $29k seems a bit overpriced compared to the gen2 Volt at $33k. The volt has 2/3rds of the Leaf’s AER, but you can use 100% of that 53mile AER. So the Leaf at best equals the Volts AER, and loses on all other respects except maybe cargo capacity.

Agreed.. I’m seriously wondering what effect the new Volt will have on Leaf sales. 53 miles of range is seriously enough for the vast majority of people to drive EV every day. And with the more mainstream appearance of the car, I’m thinking the Leaf may be doomed to low sales until the 2017 model with a new bodystyle comes out.

The nearest Volt to me is 250 miles away and GM won’t finance a car that’s not registered in their limited release market. That rules out the Volt for me.

This is temporary. This Spring the Volt will be available nation wide.

I can tell you why people will pick a base LEAF over a base Volt, especially in the CA market where new Volt is available only.

1. TAX (roughly additional $400)
2. Dealers incentive on the base model LEAF (then you add the TAX reason)
3. State Rebate ($1000 difference)
4. Full $7500 rebate on lease applied on LEAF, vs (unless it has changed) $0 applied on Volt, and there is no Volt lease at the moment too!
5. 87 mi is more than adequate for most FAMILY that needs to drive to work + school + after school + grocery shopping. 53 mi will be barely enough for all those.
6. Quick/L2 charging ability in many CA cities.
7. MOST IMPORTANTLY – CAR POOL LANE ACCESS.

I hope both cars find great success, but as the owner of a new Volt, I do want to refute your points: 1. TAX (roughly additional $400) – I guess you’re talking about the price difference on a base Leaf. It wouldn’t make much difference to me. 2. Dealers incentive on the base model LEAF (then you add the TAX reason) – Volt had $1,000 consumer cash, availability of another $1,000 private offer, easy access to GM supplier pricing, etc. 3. State Rebate ($1000 difference) – true. 4. Full $7500 rebate on lease applied on LEAF, vs (unless it has changed) $0 applied on Volt, and there is no Volt lease at the moment too! My lease applied about $4475 as cap cost reduction, with rest (I believe) applied to increase the residual. My lease had no upfront money and I pay about $308/month (which includes SoCal tax) for a basic model. 5. 87 mi is more than adequate for most FAMILY that needs to drive to work + school + after school + grocery shopping. 53 mi will be barely enough for all those. Agree people may have different use cases. However, a Volt driver can feel free to… Read more »

The original question was why one would pick a lower range LEAF S compare to a base Volt, when the base Volt has closer electric range compare to the LEAF.

Obviously, advantage is on the Volt in terms of the overall package vs based LEAF, other than $; I was barely listing the reasons why one would pick a “less attractive” LEAF.

When I said no Volt lease, I should have specified. No special Volt lease from GM. What you probably have is the dealership lease. Not knowing the terms and residual, it’s difficult to say whether it’s good or not.

But with the lack of quick charge capability, you can use the electric range of the Volt less often per day. In the end, you will make your longer holiday trip just as it would be a normal hybrid Prius and don’t charge anything, while doing a 30 minutes rest stop.

I hope all the new cars do well. The base Leaf at $29k doesn’t include fast charging. Plus, you need to save a buffer driving a Leaf, for contingencies and weather. You can’t plan on using more than 2/3rds of the Leaf’s 84 mile EPA AER, compared with the Volt’s 53 mile EPA AER. Run out on the Volt and all that happens is the engine turns on…

First of all it is not 2/3, the new Volt (53 miles AER) has only half the AER* of the Leaf (107 miles AER). 2/3 of Leaf AER would be 71 miles.

If you rarely drive more than 100 miles the Leaf might be the better option. If you drive often more than 100 miles the Volt is the better option because of more overall range.

*AER – all electric range

sorry you are right if you refer to the S-Version only.

We bought a Leaf because my regular commute fit within its electric range but the Volt would not (45 miles one way). HOWEVER, there were a number of other reasons: – the Volt is also a much smaller car inside than the Leaf; the back seats have way less leg room and less head height (and no 5th seat, which we have used a number of times) – Volt has a lower driving position (which I find less comfortable, safe) – Volt is lower to the ground, so wouldn’t be able to drive the gravel and snow-covered roads in my area – I’ve put a hitch and 4-bike rack on my Leaf no problem (http://kootenayevfamily.ca/?attachment_id=623) – The Leaf is just a more practical all-around vehicle (provided the range works for your typical trips), http://kootenayevfamily.ca/easter-weekend-trifecta/ Admittedly, we do still have a gas car for my wife’s daily jaunts, and we did use it for a long vacation this year, but we also took the Leaf on a 1,600 km vacation as well. If GM had a car like a Subaru Forester, but with the Volt drive-train and the 50+ miles AER of the Gen II Volt, I would have snapped that… Read more »

DEALER SETS ACTUAL PRICE.

There will be dealer markups for sure if supplies are tight….

I think its incorrect to say it offers up to 107 miles range when I think it offers up to 115 miles of EPA range. Am I wrong (or close to being right)?

You are close. EPA numbers are:

116 miles (city)
95 miles (highway)
107 miles (combined)

source: http://insideevs.com/breaking-30-kwh-2016-nissan-leaf-gets-epa-range-rating-107-miles/

As an owner of a 2015 Leaf, I still see the 2016 30kwh model as a stopgap before they bring out the Leaf Gen2 and I don’t see it as a deal compared a 2016 Volt. I think Nissan needed a competitive range car to get them to late 2016/early2017 when they release a 200+mi range Leaf Gen2. Right now you can get most dealers to give you $5-7.5K off a 2015 model and this is before the tax credit of $7.5-10K depending on your state. If you can still get these discounts on a 30kwh 2016 model, I think its a great deal! but I doubt you will see these types of discounts. In the meantime if you just need a great commuter car. The 2015 leaf at these discounts will run you about $17,000 after everything is said and done. Even when I bought mine over a year ago I was able to get about $6K off before tax credits, making the out the door price about $18.5K. If you really want a 2016 Leaf with 30kwh, hold tight and see if they start moving off the lots, if they don’t you’ll start seeing dealers discount them quite… Read more »

According to the forums GM gave a $1,000 incentive from the get go on 2016 Volts and there are CA dealers knocking thousands off already.

@ Stephen,

As a person who has involved in the auto industry for many years, from front to the back (dealership level and corporate level), I really feel pity for those who went for the 2016 models.

And this is straightly from a business and vehicle ownership sense.

There’s no lease on the 2016, and there won’t likely be any, due to this extremely short MY. Even if there is, the lease won’t be attractive at all. Reason is simple:

Depreciation – and a great one!

That’s why GM’s already offering $1K off on a BRAND NEW VEHICLE before even some of the dealers have it. That’s why some of these dealers are offering discounts ON TOP OF the incentives, as you’ve said.

Once the MY17 arrives, the MY16 drops by thousands!

“There’s no lease on the 2016, and there won’t likely be any”

Completely BS as usual.

I know at least two 2016 Volt owners in SF Bay Area who leased their Volt in the past 2 weeks!

My lease on a base ’16 Volt is $308/mo (includes tax) for 12k miles and 36 months with absolutely nothing down. The money factor is .0004 (translates to <1% interest rate). I don't think I got the very best possible deal either.

@Kevin,

I was referring to lease from GM. Yes, you can get lease, but not from the manufacturer. That’s what chevrolet.com indicates.

You most likely have those dealership lease.

Not sure if anyone from InsideEVs has ever mentioned this:

“Nissan also provides a limited warranty against battery capacity loss below nine bars of capacity as shown on the vehicle’s battery capacity level gauge for the first eight years or 100,000 miles for SV and SL models…”

(longer/more mileage than the S)

THIS IS HUGE!

Makes me wonder if the new battery is liquid cooled. I’ve been wondering about this for a while, and this is just another piece of evidence that makes me think it is. The other big thing is the fact Nissan has said you cannot retrofit the 30Kwh battery into an older Leaf. Lack of liquid cooling in the older Leaf would certainly explain that.

The backward compatibility is just a marketing decision. There is very little reason why the new 30kwh pack wouldn’t be compatible in any of the older leafs. it would be nothing more than a software upgrade needed. My guess is that they don’t want people keeping old cars in order to put new packs in them in the future. They want you to come into Nissan and buy a new car. They don’t care if no backward compatibility hurts your resale. I wouldn’t be surprised however if down the road, they do make it backward compatible, but it would only be after the federal tax credits expire, battery prices drop, and they can make some extra cash off the replacement batteries. You can currently buy a replacement 24kwh pack for your Leaf now at $5500 (plus $500 installation), which is actually a very reasonable price, but it still isn’t very compelling because the tax credits keep the price of the new cars very competitive. Why would I buy a degraded 2012 Leaf for $10K and then spend another $6K to put a new pack in, when I can spent around $18-20K for a brand new car?! But if you fast… Read more »
An an owner of a 2015 S (24kwh) model I can state that there has been an improvement in the 2015 packs for capacity loss. The 2015 “lizard” pack has been noticeably better than earlier cars and includes new chemistry (whatever that means). My car, which was mfg in 4/14 and now has 20K miles on it, has experienced about 3% capacity loss from new, while this may seem like a lot compared to a Tesla, it is a lot less than early Leafs, many of which were down 10-15% in the same amount of time. I also live in the SF Bay Area, which is a bit warmer. I don’t think the new 30kwh pack has an TMS built in, but I do think that Nissan has been tracking the new chemistry of the 2015 pack and realized that it is holding up much better, they also figured that the larger pack in the 30kwh car would cycle through less frequently than the 24kwh, which means that it will degrade much slower since lithium ion batteries degrade based on cycle rates. I think they just figured that even without a TMS system, there is nearly zero chance of a… Read more »

I guess like a lot of people, the 30kw battery would probably be a stop-gap car until the 200 mile ones arrive if it is to be your main family car.

When you factor in cold weather & 80% rapid charge 150 miles would be much closer to the sweet spot for mass uptake ?

Actually the battery is capable of 80 kw, not 30 kw. It does, however, have 30 KWH capacity. One is power, the other is energy. Of course, you probably know this.

Will Nissan still offer the $5,000 NMAC rebate on the LEAF 107? If not be prepared for some disappointing sales figures.

There are (2) 2016s available in Illinois right now. Since their MSRP is so high, I’d say they’re the 30 kWh version.

http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/651533547/overview/

I love it, volt vs leaf all over again, it’s just like 2011! hopefully we will see the same levels of growth in the sales numbers.

I want everyone here to get angry and go out a buy either a Leaf or a Volt to spite the other commenters on this forum.

It gets interesting. Leaf MY-2016 should be able to give a boost in the sales of EVs.

Even the base model which retains 84 mile range has a monitor in it and some people may buy this.

Leaf MY-2015 does not have the monitor in base model.

Keep going Nissan.

I cannot imagine having a car that I have to worry about running out of electricity to charge. What if you can’t find a charging station? And forget weekend trips, in Texas just going to the Coast is 260 miles. I think I will stick to my Volt.