Report: 2016 Nissan LEAF To Get 25% Larger Battery/More Range, New Colors

MAY 27 2015 BY STATIK 278

A Longer Range, Current Generation, 2016 Nissan LEAF On Sale This Fall?

Report: A Longer Range, Current Generation, 2016 Nissan LEAF On Sale This Fall

It Appears Some "Special" Colors From The 80th Nissan Anniversary In Japan Have Inspired New US Choices For 2016

It Appears Some “Special” Colors From The 80th Nissan Anniversary In Japan Last Year Have Inspired New US Choices For 2016

With the market demanding a longer range LEAF to better compete against the likes of the next generation of Chevrolet Volt and other new EV offerings, the current generation of Nissan LEAF will be getting a larger 30 kWh battery for the higher trim levels of the car this Fall.

The move to increase the range of the car by the Nissan does not represent the capabilities of the next generation of LEAF – due out in Q2 2017, but does fit with what InsideEVs has been projecting to come along for the past 18 months or so on the current model.

(check out our post as to why we thought a longer range LEAF was coming this Fall here)

UPDATE (Sept 10th): 2016 Nissan LEAF CONFIRMED with 107 mile EPA range (full details, specs and pricing here)

The 2016 Nissan LEAF will also have some new color choices.

Thankfully, Nissan’s take on “Robin’s Egg Blue” (Morningsky Blue) that seems to have plagued been a required color for almost all plug-ins in the past, has been deleted along with Cayenne Red.  In its place 3 new colors – Forged Bronze, Coulis Red and Deep Blue Pearl.

2016 Nissan LEAF Colors

2016 Nissan LEAF Colors

As for the stated increase to 30 kWh for both the SV and SL trims (the S continues to come standard with the 24 kWh battery), there has been no official word from Nissan, but we have heard confirmation now from two independent dealers on the coming 2016 model year upgrade.

Nissan LEAF Battery Packs Expand Up To 30 kWh

Nissan LEAF Battery Packs Expand Up To 30 kWh

As for the new battery sizing’s effect on range, we feel the 2016 LEAF (SV/SL) could have an EPA rated range of about 105 to 110 miles.  (170 to 180 km of real world driving)

This added 3-digit range will enable the 2016 LEAF to potentially take back control of the inexpensive, all-electric vehicle segment of the market; something it had almost total domination over until about a year ago.

Over the past 12 months, just over 20,000 all-electric cars with a starting MSRP under $45,000, and 93 miles (or less) of electric range, not named “LEAF” have sold in the US.   One has to assume those buyers (and therefore future buyers) would have had a much harder look at Nissan’s EV with 100+ miles of range on tap.

The SV trim level also now comes standard with the CHAdeMO quick charge port.

No word yet on pricing for the 2016 trim levels, although it is expected to stay mostly unchanged, as is the appearance of the car overall.

The next generation, 2017 Nissan LEAF has been earlier reported by Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn as gaining at least double the range of the first edition, which now could mean anywhere from 168 miles to 200+ miles. (270 to 320 km of real world driving)

We  reached and spoke to Nissan’s Brian Brockman, Senior Manager of Communications, for comment.

Not unexpectedly, and like other automakers, the company lives by a future non-disclosure mantra,  “We have made no public announcement about the 2016 Nissan LEAF.  We do not comment on future product details.”  

But if Nissan changes its mind, or more details/confirmations of options and pricing surface – we will let you know!

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278 Comments on "Report: 2016 Nissan LEAF To Get 25% Larger Battery/More Range, New Colors"

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Martin
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Looking forward to the official announcement but that looks very very likely 🙂

mrenergyczar
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Looks like the 93 mile Soul EV will enjoy being king (of affordable EV’s) for only a year…

Brian
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Brian

King of sub-100 sales per month?

MrEnergyCzar
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I thought they rolled it out to 5 more states? The bread box truck look isn’t any better than the Leaf….

Lausbub
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Lausbub

I am hoping for 3 phase charging capability.

Lausbub
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Who has 3 phase? I’m hoping for on road induction charging. Every highway I seen has those transmission lines next to it asking for a wireless “shepard hook”

Me
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StoreDot! i want to see batteries that charge fast!

Lensman
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Lensman

Well hey, congratulations Jay and the InsideEVs team! You’ve been predicting (or at least hinting) for some time now that Nissan was going to do something significant with the range in this year’s Leaf model; you deserve kudos for being correct.

Take a bow.

Martin
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+1

Assaf
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+2!

Kudos also for waiting a while to give Nissan a chance to come out before the leaks become a flood.

Well, corporate ships steer slowly sometimes, and you have certainly earned this scoop.

About the change itself, sounds like a great stopgap and “future-proofing” the value of all used Gen1’s. There’s still plenty of usability for the 80-mile BEV so I expect the S trim to still sell to a more decidedly budget segment.

As to a ~105-110 mile, frankly there’s nothing like that out there in the affordable BEV segment, and the 3-digit headline might help turn more heads in the mainstream crowd.

Cavaron
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Cavaron

I bow in front of thee insideevs.com!

Ocean Railroader
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Ocean Railroader

Inside EV’s in my top favorite three websites as if now.

Besides this story with Nissan raising the range of the leaf by 25% doesn’t have any of those 400 mile EV stories in it which makes it most likely going to happen.

Scramjett
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Scramjett

Well, when Jay and InsideEVs first made this claim, I’ll admit to being skeptical. However, if this ends up being true, I will gladly eat my crow and give Jay and InsideEVs their credit for projecting this early on!

Joe Hays
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Joe Hays

+3
I’ll go one further, I’ll even lease one of these new extended range Leaf. I was looking at buying a used Volt or leasing the new 2016 Volt, but if I can get a Leaf with about 100 miles, that would be even better.

Brian
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Brian

This is now the third time that I’m hearing this rumor myself. Given that the numbers/colors are always the same, it’s safe to say it at least came from the same source. Whether that source is correct, time will tell.

I think that Nissan didn’t have much choice but to do this, what with the upcoming 2016 Volt being what it is. It’s a shame that it took 5 years for Nissan to give us the 100-mile EV that they had originally promised, but it’s good to see they are finally working towards longer range.

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

And like the Volt, the Leaf will come with two different whites, a silver, and a black.

Why do so many new models only offer 50 shades of gray?

Brian
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Brian

Yeah, I’ve wondered about the lack of actual color options in cars myself. And why is green never available?

taser54
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taser54

Green was overused in the 90’s and early 00’s on cars.

Be careful what you wish for.

http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/40503345.jpg

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

I dunno, the latest Green offered for the Subaru Forrester looks pretty good…

sven
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sven

But the latest Green offered for the Mazda 2 looks pretty ugly. . .

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

So back to the original point, why don’t companies offer more colors? Looks are clearly subjective, and restricting to 50 shades of gray, a red, and a blue, just doesn’t seem to cut it.

James
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James

My only guess is that Fiat purchased the global supply of nice non-grey based colors.

Lensman
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Lensman

I find the green color of that Mazda to be gorgeous! It definitely should be among the paint choices for just about every car.

De gustibus non est disputandum.

Incredulocious
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Incredulocious

Actually, I like that Mazda 2 green – might work on the LEAF.

Jeff Songster
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Jeff Songster

I too really like the bright colors. Also want to see a few non metallic colors other than black and white.

EVer
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EVer

yuck that is incredibly bland

Trace
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Trace

Yeah right! Pick the ugliest car from the 90s to prove your point with a sledgehammer.

At least choose an appealing car.

Brian
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Brian

See, that looks good to me. The Tesla Roadster also looks very nice in green.

Shane
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Shane

Green cars should come in green. I like the Del Sol.

Speculawyer
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Speculawyer

Aztec . . . LOL. I laugh every time I see it in ‘Breaking Bad’.

kdawg
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Aztek was ahead of it’s time. I still see them driving around and look in almost new condition.

Speculawyer
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Speculawyer

It was to some degree. The much-loved Tesla Model S is a large 5 seater hatchback like the Aztec. They just made it aerodynamic and look good.

DonC
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DonC

I’ve always thought the Model S was very generic, but most people I know think the Model S looks like an old Buick. The front end seems to be the problem. If anything I think it looks like an Aston Martin but there aren’t that many of those around so most people likely don’t have that point of comparison.

Anon
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Anon

That’s freakin’ “Exorcist Green”, right dere… ;D

scott franco, the evil, greedy republican
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scott franco, the evil, greedy republican

Yes, Yes, most leaves are green.

AK
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AK

Drive around your local well to do suburban area, Bellevue-Redmond-Issaquah for the Seattle Metro and look at what people are buying. Luxury cars, and regular cars, in every shade of gray imaginable. There is value in being anonymous.

Lensman
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Lensman

Just what I was thinking. What’s with nearly all the colors being shades of gray? With just one red and one (navy) blue.

How boring.

I remember the first car I got. An early Honda Civic, it was an orangish yellow. Rather garish, but wow was it easy to spot in a parking lot!

no comment
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no comment

i personally like blue, but i read that blue has a negative impact on resale value.

no comment
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no comment

i suspect that a lot of the color selections are the result of focus group interviews where they ask people what they think of different colors. black, white and red (for sportiness) are generally “safe” colors.

Anon
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Anon

Yes. Black Red and White were good enough for Hitler’s designers… 😉

John F
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John F

Somewhat surprised Nissan would make a 30 kWH battery for just one year of production. If it becomes the new replacement battery for all the past LEAF models, it would breath some life into the used LEAF market as a replacement with range upgrade. That could make more sense.

Brian
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Brian

My guess is that the 30kWh battery is the new chemistry in the old package. It’s a little more dense, so they can fit more energy into the same volume.

The next gen Leaf will then use that same chemistry in a redesigned chassis. The chassis will have more space for the battery – more like a Tesla-style “skateboard” than the Leaf-style battery pan.

So this new battery would be a stepping stone to learn about the new chemistry. If Nissan sell 50,000 Leafs with this configuration, they can easily pay for the marginal development cost.

Ocean Railroader
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Ocean Railroader

I don’t think Nissan is going to sell 50,000 leafs next year with a 25% range improvement. All this improvement does is range it to the power of the Kia Hamster Mobile. Also only two new quick chargers opened up between April and May.

Brian
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Brian

FWIW, the 2016 Leaf will likely run for about 18 months. 50,000 over 18 months is very different from 50,000 in a year. It’s still a high target, but it’s attainable if they price/market the car right.

John F
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John F

What about the eNV-200? That market is more commercial and seems to find electric vans and cabs more economical than ICE vehicles. I would think an increment in battery size would open up a larger share of the cab and van market. That might add more years of production to a new battery line.

Speculawyer
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Speculawyer

I’d love to believe that but I don’t see that happening. Not unless there is some huge gasoline price spike.

Brian Henderson
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I assume you mean over 50,000 in just the US market, as Nissan’s global production over the last 18 months is ~100,000. Depending on pricing, Nissan could exceed 100,000 BEVs over a 12 month window in the next year.

FYI: Total global LEAF population shoud exceed 250,000 LEAFs some time in the next 12 months.

Brian
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Brian

To Nissan, a sale is a sale. I am talking about amortizing the development cost of a 30kWh battery over just one model year (which will likely run for 18 months). I still think that 50,000 total sales would be more than enough to justify the upgrade. 100,000 is just gravy.

KenZ
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KenZ

Hypothesis: 2017 leaf to have two battery sizes: 30 kWh. And ‘x’kWh > 30

Josh
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+1

I think it will become their new “base” battery capacity on the next Gen.

There still should be an Infiniti LE before the Next Gen LEAF. But NisMoCo always plays their cards very close to their chest.

Lou Grinzo
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Lou Grinzo
Agreed. I think the path forward looks like: 2016: S: 24kWh, SV/SL:30kWh 2017/Leaf II: S: 30kWh, SV/SL: Significantly more than 30kWh, perhaps 40 to 45kWh. In other words, the 2017 Leaf II S gets a “hand me down” in the form of the 30kWh pack, and Nissan creates a tiered line of Leafs with the S being not just cheaper but more clearly targeted to a “second household car” role. (And I remain convinced that the 2nd car market is gigantic in the US, given the many millions of single-family homes with wired, attached garages.) If Nissan does try to make the SV/SL a direct Bolt competitor, then the EPA range will likely be in the 150 range, which is what I expect the Bolt will be, all the starry eyed 200 mile talk notwithstanding. Of course, the big unknown is pricing for 2016 and 2017. If the 2016 S stays at 24kWh, then I expect a price cut, perhaps $3k. Nissan likely can’t raise the prices of the SV and SL, and they need a bigger price spread to reflect the difference in the driving range, so that puts considerable downward price pressure on the S. Is it just… Read more »
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the timing of this doesn’t seem that bad to me. i would think that you’re going to see a lot of Nissan Leaf’s coming off lease soon, so i would think that this is an attempt to give people an incentive to “re-up” by replacing the Leaf that they are returning with a new Leaf with increased battery size.

there is no such thing as a “low cost” BEV, but i would think that they would be able to get the upgraded Leaf for about the same price that they paid for their trade-in Leaf.

Mister G
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Mister G

I hope this is true my 2012 Leaf lease ends this year.

AddLightness
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AddLightness

If you’re interested, you can get $5000 or $6500 to buy out your lease. I took advantage of that offer last week on my 2013. It’s only costing me $4000 more dollars to keep the car.

Mister G
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Mister G

I thought of it, but I would owe $21k minus $5k for 2012 SL with 30187 miles and about 45 real miles of range on full charge.

Murrysville EV
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Murrysville EV

My 12 lease ends in September. Until now, the only replacement car was ‘not Leaf’.

This announcement gives me some doubt about that feeling, although I may have a change in commute which would make even this 125% Leaf unviable.

Other options include the 16 Volt, an array of hybrids and plug-ins, a cheap ICE, or walk away and save my money.

My concern about the Leaf is what its real, actual range will be. As I’ve noted here before, in its 3rd winter I was only getting 36 actual miles on a full tank. Now it’s about 50. So Nissan adding 25% to those numbers isn’t all that great, but perhaps the lizard battery +25% is really better.

But if I did get the 16 Leaf, I might only commit to a 2-year lease because the Model 3 is likely due in late 2017/early 2018 – maybe.

Mister G
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Mister G

2 year lease sounds good but what if model 3 is delayed or too much demand pushes back deliveries?

DNAinaGoodWay
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DNAinaGoodWay

Any word on a 30 kWh eNV200 for 2016?

Robert Weekley
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Adding the extra 6 kWh on the eNV200 would make it quite a good people mover, for sure! Especially with the new 7 seat option!

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

If it can seat 7, Brian will want it!

Brian
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Brian

Hey, you’re getting married now – maybe you’ll have 5 kids to fill this thing up with!

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

Did you (the grammar police) just end that sentence with a preposition? I think it’s “with which to fill this vehicle” hahaha

Also, aren’t you having a few more kids soon? You have a head start on me, and will need the seven seats first! 🙂

Brian
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Brian

Why yes I did. Look at that. I’m not perfect 😉

Yes, I have a head start, but that doesn’t mean I intend to keep my lead. I am quite content with fewer than 4 kids.

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

I’m reminded of a video that I sent you that you just sent me, lol…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc

Matt
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Matt

Actually, if you do a little quick research, the “do not end a sentence with a preposition” rule is actually a myth most of us were mistakenly taught in grade school. Literature experts agree that prepositions can be used at the end of sentences. Believe me, I was shocked to learn this too. But it’s true.

My apologies for the red herring.

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as winston churchill stated; on the odious practice of ending sentences with prepositions: “this is the kind of english up with which i will not put!”

Lensman
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Lensman

Great example, thanks! The rule about “A preposition is nothing to end a sentence with” 🙂 should be violated when it results in an overly stilted sentence construction.

Nick
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Nick
Grumpy
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Grumpy

I wonder if this all from a change in chemistry or if they increase the physical size of the battery pack.

It occurs to me that an upgraded battery pack would sure make all those lease returns much more appealing. I honestly don’t know if there will be much of a market for a 1st gen EV with a battery that is somewhat degraded. Are there really going to be tens of thousands of people willing to buy a lease return when the range could degrade to 60 miles (or less) during the expected lifespan of the car?

David Murray
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David Murray

Great news.. An extra 20-ish miles may not seem like much at first, but that would go a long way to making the vehicle more viable for a lot of people. We have a Leaf and Volt and I can say that the Leaf could just about pass as our only car with exception of out-of-town trips. Adding that extra 20 miles would be enough to push it over that threshold. Most of the time that range has been an issue it has just been a matter of 10 or 15 miles.

Also, this will put it back to being a leader in the “affordable” EV class. It’s sad when Kia is the leader in this class and they aren’t even selling very many EVs.

Ryan
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Ryan

I agree, we stretched a bit to make the Leaf work as our second EV and have found that an extra 20 miles range would make it a slam dunk for our use.

Josh
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I think the extra 20 miles would make a reasonable hedge against the eventual battery fade.

The “double range” battery ~EPA 160 miles would make the LEAF a slam dunk.

Speculawyer
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Speculawyer

Yeah, an extra 20 miles plus a decent DC-fast charge infrastructure can make it a much more manageable car.

Ryan
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Ryan

We are certainly EV enthusiasts but my wife has a 34mi daily commute, almost exactly the nation’s average. We are in Minneapolis so we see the worst of the cold weather range degredation. But Minneapolis has a fast growing DC fast charge network which is up to 22+ stations spread around the metro area and suburbs. You can get nearly anywhere except your cabin in a Leaf in Minnesota.

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given that this is a BEV, i don’t think that the extra 20 miles will make much difference. keep in mind, depending upon where you live, that extra 20 miles could end up being a bit less than 20 miles in real world driving.

the thing about BEVs is that you never want to feel like you’re stretching the limit unless you are a BEV enthusiast. i would think that 20 miles would be less than the standard deviation for the amount of miles driving in daily driving.

i think that 200 miles really is a good target minimum for a BEV. BEVs are still, however, most suitable in households with 2 or more cars; you still wouldn’t want a BEV to be your only car, and you would not want a household that had only BEVs; even though some EV enthusiasts do so, we’re talking about the general public here.

James M
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James M

“Standard deviation” aside, the average US daily commute is only 40 miles. Our second car is actually a Civic, not our Leaf in fact. Our daily decision is who has the longer commute, that person gets the Leaf.

Lensman
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Lensman

“no comment” said:

“i would think that 20 miles would be less than the standard deviation for the amount of miles driving in daily driving.”

Wow, I completely disagree. 20 miles more range, or even just 14-16 miles if it’s really cold, would be a game-changer for a large number of drivers. Adding that much to the range would be the difference between a BEV being practical or impractical for a significant percentage of those now driving gas guzzlers.

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you always want a lot more range than you think you will use. when i was driving an ICE vehicle, i would typically like to keep at least 1/4 to 1/2 tank even if i was planning on only doing 1 gallon’s worth of driving (however, with my Volt, i typically only keep 1 or 2 gallons in the tank during the warmer months).

if you watched the video from the (former) Leaf owner in georgia, he spoke of how the Leaf limited his ability to do impromptu driving. 20 miles of range turns into a lot less than 20 miles when it is cold, so the 25% increase still leaves you feeling that you are cutting things a bit close.

Ryan
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Ryan

While I agree that 200 miles is the golden goose, there are enough people who NEVER EVER drive more than 60 miles in a day to make a decent dent in market share. 100+ miles range might be enough to push THOSE people over the edge.

Robert Weekley
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This will be good to compare the actual range versus space in the LEAF vs Kia Soul EV, and to see if Kia will bite and upgrade the battery capacity – or extend the Depth of Discharge to increase the Range?!

Pete
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Pete

Kia ? They sold around 1.000 vehicle in 2015, Nissan sold over 16.000 ! Nissan wants to sell as much as possible, Kia is a good car but a compliance car. Production planing is around 5.000 for 2015.
Kia can’t change battery after 1700 Soul EV in total, Nissan can do after 180.000 Leafs.

Robster
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Robster

Hats off Jay, breaking news from you guys. You rock

Anton Wahlman
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Anton Wahlman

I seem to recall that back in January, at the Detroit Auto Show, Nissan’s CEO commented in relation to the Chevrolet Bolt, saying that the next-gen LEAF would arrive earlier, have longer range and be priced lower. The Bolt would arrive in November-December 2016 according to media reports, have 200 miles of EPA-certified range and cost $37,500. While there’s still time to settle the scores on price and range, assuming the Bolt media reports are correct (yeah, I know…), the LEAF 2.0 with — presumably, if one is to believe — at least 200 miles of range, would have to arrive no later than November 2016 — not 2Q 2017. Thoughts about this or these inconsistencies?

taser54
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taser54

This is going to destroy resale of current leafs.

przemo_li
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przemo_li

If battery is upgradeable, then no.

EVs are more durable mechanically. So if batteries are swapped, then You get new car for cheaper 😉

Ahldor
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Ahldor

The resale market has gone down for the LEAF. LEAF has gotten much competition lately so Nissan had to do something to boost LEAF sales. 30 kWh is probably the best way to go.

Also is you always would consider the resale market you couldnt improve any car.

Ocean Railroader
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Ocean Railroader

Me personally considering I’m going to buy a used leaf this is all music to my ears.

Londo Bell
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Londo Bell

You need to understand the used car market (how dealers / auction work) before you can really made a statement on how LEAFs prices will be affected.

In short – VERY SHORT – used car markets, especially during auctions, don’t view the LEAF as an electric car, but a mid-size hatchback. It’s priced per mid-size hatchback, which, unfortunately, is low (especially in N. America, because of our LOVE for hatchback). The advantage occurs only when energy prices are high (e.g. 2012/13 period).

scott franco, the evil, greedy republican
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scott franco, the evil, greedy republican

Which is probably why they have been dragging on upgrades. These things really should be able to get range improvements on a regular basis, continuing until I am looking up through six feet of dirt.

Londo Bell
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Londo Bell

I disagree.

The notion that buying a car (especially one that is “high” tech) should be similar to that of selling a computer, or any other smart appliance for that matter, followed by frequent update (software mainly), has no place to stand on.

We may be treating a vehicle – I know I am – as an appliance. That’s fine. But that’s solely on MY responsibility toward the vehicle.

Not only are we talking a much more expensive item here, but these are 2 different things we are dealing with. You don’t need to take a test to operate a computer, or a smart TV. You don’t need to get insurance for those either to operate them, unless you want to. You don’t have rules implied by the government to operate any appliance, and you don’t have any chance of being killed (or be killed) by just operating an appliance.

These are all the things that auto manufacturers have to deal with, which makes many updates or upgrades extremely difficult or costly.

Anthony
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It would be great if it also doubles as a replacement pack for the next 10 years for existing Leaf owners. I think it gets a lot of people to step up to the higher level trims too.

One interesting idea upthread was that the 2nd gen Leaf would have a 30-32kWh pack for 100-110 miles, plus a higher version that gets 175 miles. That sounds like a great idea, especially if corporate and government fleets start to adopt EVs over the next few years as I expect them to.

Finally though, I wonder how much this stopgap might help those who are thinking about EVs – GM already announced the Bolt will get 200, but will someone care about an EV that gets a little over half that range? Or is it just a reward for those already in the EV mindset.

Loboc
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Loboc

If 100mi is all you need, a cheaper car than Bolt will probably sell well. Over 30k for Bolt and ~$199 lease for Leaf. Guess we’ll have to wait a little longer to see which way these guys go at it.

Loboc
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Loboc

I wonder what happened to Infinity LE?

Speculawyer
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Speculawyer

It got laughed off the market in view of the Tesla Model S.

I think they probably completely dumped it and had to start over from nothing.

GM probably should have done the same thing with ELR but I guess it being a PHEV, they thought there was a market for people who still wanted gasoline.

kdawg
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1) Are they using LG Chem battery cells now?

2) What the hell is “Super Black”? I didn’t know there were different levels of black.

Jelloslug
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Jelloslug

Super Black is a bit blacker than black but not quite as black as Super Duper Black.

kdawg
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Coming next year…. “Singularity Black”.
Make gawkers say “Woah… that’s heavy man”

Josh
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Super Black actually sucks in some of the color from the cars parked next to you

Lou Grinzo
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Lou Grinzo

No, no, no. You’re thinking of Monolith Black, which had limited runs in 2001 and 2010.

(I’ll wait while those of you who get the movie reference explain it to everyone else.)

Khai L.
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Khai L.

movie. Arthur C. Clarke. 2001: Space Odyssey. Didn’t like it, was a tween at that time and mind wasn’t mature enough to appreciate it.

I prefer super duper black better myself.

Khai L.
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Khai L.

oops. it was directed by Stanley Kubrick and released in 1968. Wasn’t born yet at the time! Must’ve confused it with a re-release.

SeattleTeslaGuy
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SeattleTeslaGuy

clark wrote the story.

Lensman
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Lensman

Lou Grinzo said:

“I’ll wait while those of you who get the movie reference explain it to everyone else.”

Uh-uh. The monolith was deliberately, almost aggressively, enigmatic. Explaining it is just wrong on every level.

electric-car-insider.com
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Impressive.

Lou Grinzo
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Lou Grinzo

I never said anything about explaining the monolith; I was talking about the movie reference.

And for the record, the monoliths (as seen in 2010 in great numbers) are clearly compressed blocks of old AOL CDs.

Electric Ray
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Electric Ray
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scott franco, the evil, greedy republican
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scott franco, the evil, greedy republican

Really REALLY black?

philip d
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philip d

“It’s like, how much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black.”

Speculawyer
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Speculawyer

It is supposed to be sexy.

Brian Henderson
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Just wait … Übre Black 😉

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“super black” is just a label, and each color palate tends to have its own labeling. it just turns out that the Nissan color palate has a color called “super black”, just like GM has names for the colors that are in the GM color palate.

Jelloslug
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Jelloslug

If that pack will fit in an older Leaf picking up a lightly used off-lease car and then dropping in the bigger battery would be a great deal.

Jeff Songster
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Jeff Songster

Great news… Nice to see that Nissan is setting up the next phase of affordable electric vehicles so well. If they can hold the same base prices as last year and not too sweet a premium for these new batteries then they will have a hit. Like the new colors too… though would have been nice to get more variables like solid non metallics and such. Here’s hoping that these batteries are fully backwards compatible with every LEAF made.
The E-NV200 will no doubt be introduced in the US with this new battery option as it seems like that was part of Nissan’s hesitation in this market with our longer commutes and trips at higher speeds.

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bernietx

what will the pricing action be on the three models? S,SV,SL? Perhaps S stays constant, or drops by a nominal amount like $500-$1000, and SV/SL increase in price?

CherylG's_DirtyLittleSecret
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CherylG's_DirtyLittleSecret

I’ll hold off for the MY2017.
Hoping the body style improves.

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

Now if they would also make it with a CCS port! 😛

Brian
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Brian

Or better yet, a supercharger port 😛

Tony Williams
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Yes, I’m surpirsed that they sold any with CHAdeMO, what with only 6000 charge locations around the world, always the same plug.

Surely, there must be a MILLION of the CCS stations, right?

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

You crack me up Tony. If we’re going to base the decision on how many of ports are available, let’s choose gasoline and be done with it.

Also, how about we look at how many CHADEMO ports were available when the LEAF was introduced? Roughly the same as CCS, like zero.

I’m sorry to have struck a nerve with you.

crossie
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crossie

There are now more than a thousand CCS locations in europe, up from about 400 six months ago. The Germans alone have over 600 CCS locations coming online in the next 6 months. Here in Ireland everyone will be at most 40km (if you live up a mountain in Mayo) from a CCS rapid by the end of the summer.

GSP
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GSP

Instead of asking for a Leaf with a CCS port, why not ask for dual standard chargers to be installed everywhere? This is how the automakers agreed to settle the incompatibility problem.

GSP

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

That is already happening. Which is another reason why counting numbers today as justification for one over the other just seems silly. I prefer quality and functionality over quantity, which will follow.

I just think the broader market will prefer a standard that is lighter weight and easier to use. Ultimately, I really just want to see EVs proliferate as much as possible.

Brian_Henderson
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Just yesterday BMW and Nissan jointly announced such a dual-infrastructure DCQC project in South Africa. (CCS + CHAdeMO)

Photos has a BMW i3 & Nissan LEAF charging side by side. The two BEVs now selling in Asia, Europe, N.America & S. Africa.

Speculawyer
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Speculawyer

Who will be brave enough to make the first EV with both CCS and Chademo?

Tony Williams
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We may offer both on the RAV4 EV next year.

We can use exactly the same hardware for either:

ggpa
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ggpa

Will Nissan bring back the 80/100% charge option. I hope they do for a number of reasons

– With the bigger battery, fewer occasions will need a 100% charge
– The charging is more efficient when you stop at 80%
– The battery lasts longer if you stop at 80%
– With the battery at 100% there is no regen, no “single foot driving”

Londo Bell
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Londo Bell

The reason for not having the 80/100% charge, according to Nissan and some other sources I’ve read (but since forgotten as it was 3 years ago) was that there was virtually no difference in terms of battery degradation between the 2 modes.

Virtually can mean, yes, there was some, but very minor to the point that it’s meaningless within the warranty period, unless you are keeping your vehicle for a very long time (10 years plus).

However, the downside there is the EPA penalty, which mandates the manufacturer to use an average number for the vehicle range between the 2 modes.

I don’t know if the above is just an agenda from Nissan, or truth.

Having said that, you can always use the timer to twist the amount of charge.

Also, if you have a late model LEAF (13+, but more likely for 14+), the regen is actually kicking in significantly (by the # of bubbles) under B mode, even if you have, say, 90%+ charge (upward of 3 bubbles).

CounterStrike Cat
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Japanese and European versions still have the 80% option.

Stephen Hodges
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Stephen Hodges

I agree, I live on the top of a 3 mile, 1600 ft hill, and hate having to go beyond 80%, as then I have to ride the brakes all the way. I would almost prefer they put in a “diversion load” style dump and maintain the motor braking than rely on the brake pads

Lensman
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Lensman

It would be better for Nissan to do what Tesla has done: Replace the either/or 80%/100% choice with the ability to choose any percentage you want. That way the EPA hopefully won’t fixate on 80% as the charge to use for its range ratings, as it did with older model years of the Leaf.

EV drivers wanting to drive their EV as far as possible are generally going to use a 100% charge, and the EPA’s ratings should reflect that. Sure, you don’t want to charge to 100% every day, but most EV drivers don’t challenge their car’s range every day, either. If they do, then they bought the wrong car.

Londo Bell
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Londo Bell

In a Tesla S (or X), it makes sense to have the sliding variations, and you can adjust from, say 100 miles to 200 miles – that is A LARGE range.

On a LEAF (future ’16 model), makes no sense, as the max range is about 110-120’ish (or current, 90-100’ish). If someone selects a low %, we are possibly talking some 50-60 mi (not cold weather), which is not enough for most (or vehicles with such range such as i-MiEV would be selling like hot cakes already). If one selects from 80% and upwards, we are talking about some 20 – 25 miles difference. The test/equipment one needs to do to calibrate can be costly. Most importantly, with L2, one can charge a LEAF from 20’ish % to full 100% in about 3.5 – 4 hours, vs possibly 3 hours to go 80%. Again, not too big difference in terms of charging time, unlike a Tesla.

Anthony Castro
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Anthony Castro

great news!! I really hope I can put this battery pack into my current 2011 Leaf. I have about 70% left on my battery pack (50-60 miles). I’d be willing to pay for that new battery.

JP White
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+1

Daniel
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Daniel

I don’t think that the Leaf competes in any way with the Volt. Two completely different cars and approaches. The comparison muddies the water for the uninformed who read the article and is sub-par journalism. A real competitor for Leaf would be the Ford Focus Electric, Kia Soul EV, Volkswagen E-Golf etc. which rely on a PLUG only!

You can’t add gas to the Leaf and keep driving!! The Volt is NOT a BEV!!! PERIOD! no matter how much you want it to be. Yes it has a substantial all electric operating range (I know I own one) but it is NOT a Leaf competitor.

David Murray
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David Murray

Sorry, but it does compete very much. If you follow the forums you’ll see many people who have converted from Leaf to Volt or vice-versa. In a perfect world where all cars are electric, there would be no cross-shopping. But since the electric market is still limited in models to chose from, Leaf and Volt do compete with each other.

CounterStrike Cat
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Volt is Amerika only car. That can’t be a competition for a world car.

Brian
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Brian

It can be in America 😉

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i am going to partially agree with you on this. there is a BEV segment; and in that segment, the Leaf and Volt do compete. the BEV segment includes a lot of BEV enthusiasts and early adopters.

there is a bigger general market segment that is not served as well by BEVs. in that segment, the Leaf would not compete with the Volt. this segments includes people who are currently driving ICEs and is less early adopter oriented.

part of the problem with the Volt is that too many people see the Volt as being comparable to the Leaf. so the Volt gets slotted into the BEV segment and so the people who would not consider a BEV would not consider the Volt. i believe that the trick to opening up the larger segment is for GM to more strongly differentiate the Volt from BEVs.

Lensman
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Lensman

GM invented a term, “EREV” or “Extended Range Electric Vehicle”, for their PHEV, the Volt, precisely so they could better distinguish it from a BEV. Hard to see what GM could have done to make it even more clear.

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the distinction is clear to EV enthusiasts, but it is not clear to the general public, and that is the problem: the people that GM needs to reach at this point are the general public, not the EV enthusiasts.

Lad
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Lad

There is a secret Government agency in charge of issuing automobile colors that is controlled by the political party in the majority in Congress; why do you think we suddenly have an intense interest in bring a more vivid red color to market while suppressing any modifications to the blue colors, making them even more dull and uninteresting. And all this time you thought the selections were based on logical factors. My God man, there are conspiracies everywhere you turn; you just have to be aware and read the very facts before your eyes. These Republicans will go to any lengths to get elected.. even leading you to suppress your love for the color blue in favor of red…what have we become?

Rick
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Rick

I remember way back in the Gerald Ford administration when there was an effort by the NHTSA to make all cars red, presumably because red was the most visible, and therefore safest car color. We were going to have a Red Car Nation.

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

Somewhat ironically, don’t red cars have higher insurance premiums typically, or is that a myth? Something about sportiness and statistics that I heard years ago.

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the color doesn’t raise premiums, but red is the most popular color for people who buy sporty cars. so the premiums would be higher because they bought a sporty car; the premiums would still be higher if they got their sporty car in black (which is another popular color).

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

Yeah, the red car insurance premium concern is something I was told about previously, but is apparently a myth.

Larry
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Larry

I always thought yellow was the most visible color.

Larry
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Larry

Oops! Didn’t see the following post!

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actually green is the most visible color. it is in the middle of the visible light spectrum. the neighboring colors in the spectrum are yellow and blue.

philip d
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philip d

I thought yellow is considered more visible.

Lensman
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Lensman

Rick must be smokin’ something. Red is the first color to “disappear” at night. Our eyes’ color receptors don’t work well in low light, so our vision fades to monochrome (white/gray/black). Red starts looking black in low light, before any other colors fade to monochrome. That’s why in many cities they started painting fire trucks lime yellow instead of red; much better visibility at night.

ClarksonCote: Just another urban myth.

kdawg
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I thought white was the most visible car.

Pedro
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White then yellow are the most visible colors because of their ability to reflect light. That’s why ambulances use those colors.

White cars are the safest and better for battery life since are cooler.

Black is the worst color for a car. Regarding accidents and battery degradation.

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light reflection is more a matter of the paint finish and not the paint color. any color with a high gloss finish can reflect light.

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i don’t think this statement is true. i would think that dark blue (i.e. indigo or violet) would appear black before red does (in fact, your eyes can’t really detect the difference between indigo and violet even under normal light). red, on the other hand, is the most difficult color to render accurately. it doesn’t turn black, as you suggested, it just doesn’t look red.

while red renders well under daylight conditions, the energy efficient lighting typically used in street lighting (such as fluorescent and sodium halide) tends to have poor color rendering characteristics. ironically, the light bulbs that are marketed as “daylight” bulbs tend to be notoriously bad at rendering reds.

Speculawyer
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Speculawyer

30KWH . . . well it is nice that it is bigger. But that is an incremental increase. Not a big increase like the Bolt & Model 3. But . . . it will be available soon unlike those vaporware (so far) cars.

Ocean Railroader
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Ocean Railroader

This EV story sounds way to realistic with what I expected to happen that it’s to the point that it has to be true.

I wish though that this would have happened back in 2013 though.

Ocean Railroader
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Ocean Railroader

In theory you could create a 180 mile range Mitsubishi i-miev by replacing it’s battery pack with these more powerful leaf cells.

In that the i-miev only has a energy density of 109watts a keg. The old leaf had a power of 160 watts a keg. If this 2016 leaf is a 25% improvement with energy density of 25% it raises the energy deference in the leaf to i-miev by double.

Brian
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Brian

I’m pretty sure it would be a 120-mile iMiev, not 180. The current iMiev gets 62 miles on its 16kWh battery. With about double the battery, it would get about double the range.

Stephen
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Stephen

I get more than 120kW per keg, but unfortunately my steering performance reduces;-)

CounterStrike Cat
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Cayenne Red was the best color for the Leaf. I hope it’s kept in Europe.

scott franco, the evil, greedy republican
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scott franco, the evil, greedy republican

If that schedule holds, then that would be good for me to hang on to my 2016 expiring lease for another year into 2017 and get the Leaf-NT. If they come out with “super range” leafs you are not going to get a price break on the lease down payment.

Leaf vs. Bolt? Chademo vs. CCS, better track record selling EVs, fuglier.

I’m usually a loyal customer until something better comes along 🙂

Apparently nobody sees faster charging as important (than 50KW). I appear to be alone in the charger winds…..

Josh
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It is a longer wait, but Model 3 should hit everything you want, if you can spend ~$40k.

I am in hold for Model 3 or used S mode, but may be swayed by Bolt or LEAF 2.0 depending on details. Wildcard would be VoltUV before then.

CounterStrike Cat
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Model 3 is a vaporware car.

Scott Franco, the greedy republican
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Scott Franco, the greedy republican

Its very true Josh, but it also matters if the time to wait for a Model 3 is going to be a significant part of a three year lease. I’m not sure anyone here believes there will be a model 3 in 2017, more like pushing 2020.

SeattleTeslaGuy
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SeattleTeslaGuy

Being a Tesla guy, faster charging IS what it’s all about.

Daniel
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Daniel

I do .. I want to charge as fast as possible. One of the things I dislike about my Volt is it’s slow charge rate. 3.3kw will not even keep up with cabin pre-conditioning loads!! (yes I can burn gas as well) but IMHO any BEV “not PHEV or EREV” should support at least up to 7.2 KW level II as well as some standard of DCFC.

Andrew
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Andrew

I’m so curious to see if they cram in the eNV’s active TMS into the ’16 Leaf pack.

Regardless, this is a wonderful jump forward for EVs. A real ~110 miles of EPA range at an affordable price is a big deal just five years after the modern EV era began.

Roberto
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Roberto

This is RUBISH.
the Zoe with its 22kw battery can do 140 miles and does not look like a nightmare.

The best thing to do with the leaf is to discontinue it and start again.

Nix
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Nix

1) The Zoe has never been tested on the US EPA test cycle, so we have no idea what the EPA rating would be. It has only been tested on the European test cycle, and a 140 mile range rating on that test is not the same as the US EPA test results.

2) The Zoe is smaller (less passenger space, smaller boot) and should go further. The EU generally accepts smaller cars better than US buyers.

Lensman
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Lensman

Yes, the Zoe is smaller, but so is its battery pack: 22 kWh vs. the Leaf’s 24 kWh. I would guess an EPA rating would put the range slightly higher than the Leaf, but only slightly. Almost certainly not breaking that psychologically important 100 mile barrier.

kdawg
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Also depends on how many kWh of the pack they use.

Scott Franco, the greedy republican
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Scott Franco, the greedy republican

I’m nursing a theory that:

range = KWH / weight

Someday I am going to plot the current cars to see how linear that is.

Lensman
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Lensman

I think you’ll find that wind resistance (drag coefficient) is a better measure of the efficiency (and therefore range) of an EV than the weight. Half of the energy of pushing a car down the road at 55 MPH is used up just fighting wind resistance.

Weight affects rolling resistance, but that’s only takes about 7% of the total energy required to propel the car. Weight also matters when accelerating and braking, so affects efficiency a lot more in stop-and-go, city driving than in steady speed, highway driving.

Pedro
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Actually the old Zoe Q210 battery is 26 KWh of which 22 KWh is usable. With the new Renault Zoe R240 is 23,3 KWh usable. Nissan Leaf has a 24 KWh battery, but only 21 KWh is usable.

That said, I really like the Zoe more than the Leaf.

Not to forget Zoe has NMC LG Chem battery, than is more energy dense and durable than the LMO AESC battery in the Leaf.

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/explaining_lithium_ion_chemistries

Nix
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Nix

I bet right now Nissan is trying to figure out which two dealerships leaked this. I’m sure they have had some choice words for the dealer franchise network about non-disclosure agreements.

With that said, I like the new Coitus Red…..

kdawg
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I know that was a joke, but for those that don’t know what Coulis is
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A coulis (/kuːˈliː/ koo-lee; French, from Old French couleis, from Vulgar Latin cōlāticus, from Latin cōlātus, past participle of cōlāre, to strain) is a form of thick sauce made from puréed and strained vegetables or fruits. A vegetable coulis is commonly used on meat and vegetable dishes, and it can also be used as a base for soups or other sauces. Fruit coulis are most often used on desserts. Raspberry coulis, for example, is especially popular with poached apples or Key Lime Pie.

The term originally referred to the released juices of cooked meats, and today can sometimes refer to a puréed soup of shellfish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulis

sven
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sven

That went over my head. What does coulis have to do with coitus (sexual intercourse)?

Lensman
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Lensman

That went over my head too, until I went back and looked at the article: The name of the red paint color is “Coulis Red”.

Trace
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Trace

So… V8 juice? I guess that wouldn’t work for a bev. 😀

Scott Franco, the greedy republican
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Scott Franco, the greedy republican

Coitus: V.

The act of getting your carpet cleaned.

Scott Franco, the greedy republican
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Scott Franco, the greedy republican

I’m guessing that name will not fly….

Anderlan
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Anderlan

My already depressed leased LEAF value just dropped off a cliff. But EVs are getting better and will dominated the world soon. I’m crying and laughing with joy at the same time.

Speculawyer
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Speculawyer

That is part of the badge of honor of being an early adopter.

Anderlan
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Anderlan

Important question: will the controller and motor be tweaked on the SV & SL (or just changed for all trims and software-configured appropriately on the SV & SL) to pull more horses from the pack and to the motor? Bigger pack means more total power.

Anderlan
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Anderlan

Bigger pack means not only more power out, but more power in, meaning higher peak charge power level and thus higher peak miles/minute recovered. Also slightly higher possible regen which makes up slightly for the added weight of the bigger pack. And finally a bigger pack means fewer cycles/mile which means a longer lasting (more lifetime miles) pack.

kubel
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kubel

Now I just need to decide if I’m going to do a short lease on the 2016 LEAF, 2016 Volt, or just drive my gas car and hold off until 2017.

Londo Bell
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Londo Bell

Hate to say it, but drive your gas car – WISELY and conservatively – until 2017 for the vehicle you plan to get.

Lease are nothing but financial institution recapping for deprecation of the vehicle.

HUGE, DEEP DROP in the 1st 2 years = you are paying a very big chunk of the depreciation.

If you look around, most leases from manufacturers are 36 or 39 months lease, which allow someone to not take the major blow. Dealers sometime have special 2 years lease, but do your math just in case.

P.S. Don’t go for 39 months. It’s a complete rip off. Not only will you need to pay for repairs at lease end, you also pre-paid additional 9 months of DMV fees for no reason!

Kaleb
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Kaleb

Londo Bell wrote:
“P.S. Don’t go for 39 months. It’s a complete rip off. Not only will you need to pay for repairs at lease end, you also pre-paid additional 9 months of DMV fees for no reason!”

So if I leased for 36 months, the first year was paid up-front, the second year was paid out-of-pocket and I would not have to pay the third year of license fees and essentially turn the car in with expired tags?

Londo Bell
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Londo Bell

36 months means 3 years.

If you lease your vehicle say, 6/2015, the your lease ends at 6/2018, your tag will go until 6/2016

2nd year (13 – 24 months) you will need to renew your tag, now good until 6/2017.

3rd year (25 – 36 months) final renewal, good until 6/2018.

3 tags total, 1st time from dealer, 2 renewals on your own.

If you go with 3 months, then on 4th year (37 – 39 months) you still have to renew, and the tag will bee good until 06/2019, BUT…you return the vehicle on 09/2018. AFAIK, DMV does annual renewal only, and not by month, so you pay for additional 9 months without any refund, and no vehicle to drive.

Kaleb
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Kaleb

Thanks, I assumed I would have to renew the tags before turning it in. Yet another perk I didn’t expect!

Nate
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Nate

It depends on the state in terms of if there is even a difference in DMV costs. In my state, no difference between a 36 or 39 month lease in regard to the licensing costs.

A lot of times the Leaf leases out best at 24 months.

In terms of out of warranty repairs, it depends on what kind of car. If the warranty expires in 36 months, Londo does have a point about the 3 month non-warranty period. On the other hand the likelyhood of having a paid repair is pretty small if you are leasing a decent car.

One size does not fit all when it comes to deciding to outright purchase new or used, vs. financing used, vs financing/leasing new. Do your research and crunch the numbers based on your needs and best available deals, not someone else’s.

kubel
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kubel

I think leasing makes a bit more sense with EVs since there’s little that’s known about the car’s reliability, residual value, and advancements. There’s also the $7500 tax credit, which is fully applied to the lease that I would not qualify for completely if I purchase.

If I purchased my LEAF instead of leasing it, I would have been screwed both on depreciation, tax credit, and battery degradation. So leasing is absolutely the best way to go until these uncertainties are ironed out.

Londo Bell
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Londo Bell

I am actually for leases, especially on EVs. My comments to you were based solely on the condition that you would like to get something in ’17.

The other part of my comments were on duration of leases, and why 36 months make the most financial feasible sense, generally, especially when the incentives on EV can be time based, such as in CA.

Mister G
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Mister G

Lease a BEV if money is not an issue because we have reached 400 ppm of CO2 and Greenland ice cap is melting faster than predicted by experts.

anthony
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anthony

all I need is the larger battery for the nissan leaf and a decent body kit and it would be perfect!

Scott Franco, the greedy republican
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Scott Franco, the greedy republican

Have you tried working out?

James
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James

You were bang-on with your story two weeks ago if this turns out to be true.

This looks like a scoop, I just hope that dealer had the facts right. Hanging your hat on the testimony of a dealer is a bit risky. But I agree with you, since the tea leaves pretty much indicated this move, and GM advertising 2016 Volt 7 months before it reach dealers – Nissan had to do something.

Here’s a quote from your LEAF range prediction article:

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– “When close to a next generational launch (within 6-12 months or so), car executives clam-up until the last possible moment, so as not to bastardize current gen sales.”

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Please tell that to GM. Jumping on the opportunity to tout the ’16 Volt as “The Car Of Tomorrow”, they jumped the gun bigtime, IMO. Tomorrow is right – nobody can buy one for 6 months! This reeks of the notion that Volt is intended as a “halo” product and margins are still not high enough to play by the usual rules in keeping hush as not to “bastardize” the current model.

James
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James

Adding insult to injury – the ’16 Volt shows up near the end of the movie – in the background for about 2 seconds.

Bro1999
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Bro1999

Aaaaand the movie bombed at the box office. Only a matter of time before people blame the Volt for weak ticket sales. :p

LOU PATRICK
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LOU PATRICK

One thing this article shows is that there is truly demand for more range with the LEAF. The article has one of the larger postings (other than Tesla posts which tend to go crazy)that I have seen on Inside EV’s.

Lou

Anon
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Anon

I think everyone that is pro-BEV, is genuinely glad to see Nissan finally stepping up and improving their 5 year old EV offering.

That said, I can’t wait till they remove the fugly from it. And better aerodynamics won’t hurt it…

Aatheus
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Aatheus

To each their own. I personally like the odd look of the LEAF. It tells everyone that this car isn’t just another boring gas-burner.

Anon
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Anon

And some folks think the Aztec is cute. But those “Bug Eyes”, “Carp Mouth” and “Diaper Butt” on the Leaf, cost the vehicle both range and sales by people who have more refined aesthetic sensibilities.

Double the current range, make it beautiful & more efficient– and Nissan will not be able to keep up with demand.

evnow
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evnow

I guess this looks cute to non-Eurocentric people. looks like a cute anime car to me.

In the US want aggressive – mean looking cars (guess EU too). That is what Leaf will be next gen.

Robb Stark
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Robb Stark

Eurocentric?

The most aggressive front end styling in the world is in China.

The bigger more aggressive the grill the better.

Larry
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Larry

Have you SEEN the line-up of Nissan cars?? They design more weird-looking cars than any other manufacturer. I think the odds are against a “beautiful” Leaf 😉

crossie
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crossie

Every element is there to increase range. If it looked like an ordinary car the range would be lower not higher. The drag coefficient is just 0.26

The “bug eyes” direct air over the wing mirrors. The “carp mouth” is very aerodynamic and the rear reduces drag.

Robb Stark
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Robb Stark

Most people don’t need to announce to the world how superior and eco-friendly they are.

mr. M
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mr. M

Cool.

Just_Chris
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Just_Chris

That explains the early sell off of compliance cars this year, would you read this article and then rush out and buy a 500e or a Spark.

The also sends a pretty strong message to the late comers to the party:

“Your late, the cheap beer has already gone”

CounterStrike Cat
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I think especially the expensive BMW i3 will have a problem to justify it’s then smaller battery. Either BMW adds more battery capacity next year too, or they will lose many sales.

crossie
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crossie

There are solid rumors of a 40% increase in capacity next year with an upgrade program for existing i3 owners.

Just_Chris
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Just_Chris

It would also be very cool if the 25% range increase came with a 25% power increase, AWD and the NISMO aero pack.

Not that any of these are needed I just think it would be nice if the Leaf range started with a base model Leaf that was as good as the current leaf but cheaper and ended with something that could give an i3 a run for its money…… although you’d probably need to double the power to give an i3 a run for its money.

Aatheus
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Aatheus

I really really hope that this turns out to be accurate, both timing-wise and spec-wise. I would be very happy with 25% more useable battery capacity for a very long time.

Now can we also get 25% faster charging as well? A 7.X kW charger would be a nice bump from 6.0kW, especially since I rarely ever get it on the 208v at work. Maybe 10kW? One can dream.

Nate
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Nate

I like the new dark blue option.

David
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David

What Nissan should do a is offer to upgrade current generation Leafs to the tweaked battery akin to how Tesla upgraded their roadster customers. I’d rather have that than the $5k lease write down..

JP White
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+1

Murrysville EV
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Murrysville EV

I’d like to know what they’ve done about degradation. My 2012 battery has degraded at 3X the rate of a Tesla battery (gleaned from data published here at IEVs). I believe this is due to the deeper cycling, and number of cycles it must endure – relative to a Model S.

This extra 25% will help a bit on this detail, but what’s the word on 2013-15 battery degradation so far?

Or does this question mean nothing if Nissan is merely changing to a more efficient chemistry in order to use the same package size, so then we can’t infer anything about degradation?

Scott Franco, the greedy republican
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Scott Franco, the greedy republican

Dude, I am on my third year of a 2013 lease, I see no drop in range at all.

Joshili
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Joshili

Pretty sure it is mostly because of Nissan’s decision to not bother with a temperature management system at all in their batteries, unlike the other EV manufacturers. Lithium ion batteries degrade at higher temperatures and higher SOC and Nissan decided to ignore that entirely and treat their batteries as if they are disposable. Having to change out your Nissan Leaf’s battery every few years because of degradation is not a very good point in favor of EV’s and their environmental benefits.

I personally would never buy a Nissan EV because of this short cut they took.

Glad the capacities are finally starting to creep up. The trend needs to continue and the other manufacturers who actually bother to build a battery pack that will last should get on board with this trend.

crossie
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crossie

The Mark 1.5 (2nd half of 2013 forward) had a battery chemistry change. Almost no degradation noticed on those packs. My dad has a Leaf that has done 55,000km with less than a 1/2 a percent loss.

Loss on the old mark 1 pack depended on the local climate. There are a number of Leafs here in Ireland in use as Taxis. The worst I’ve heard of was a mark 1 with 212,000km on the odometer and just under 11% capacity loss on the pack.

Murrysville EV
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Murrysville EV

That’s amazingly good degradation.

Here is western Pennsylvania, winter temperatures can dip down to -10F (-23C) several times. This causes the climate control to run at 5+ kW for long periods, and the battery cycles much deeper.

At 24k miles, my battery’s State of Health is down to 87%.

HG Wells
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HG Wells

Are Nissan dealers getting too excited?
Looking around some dealers already have 2016 listed. Is it closer than we think?

I saw a few of these last week, but they’ve disappeared.

They do have the correct colors!

http://www.ecnissan.com/vehicles.cfm/make/nissan/model/leaf/year/2016/level/USC60NIC161A0/

HG Wells
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HG Wells

No I have not seen the actual vehicle.

What I’m referring to is seeing the listings for 2016 Nissan leafs on dealer websites. Until I saw the listed colors in this article I thought it was just something computer-generated.

Martin T
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Martin T

Good on the battery upgrade,
but seriously – not just Nissan what is with all these grey dark colours?

What happened to some brighter colours so you don’t melt into the road unseen.
Only Red has some punch to it the rest ?

bro1999
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bro1999

I wish the Volt was offered in electric green. I mean come on, that color just screams EV in every way. =P

crossie
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crossie

I know in Ireland the most popular color is grey. 34% of Leafs registered here since January were ordered in grey.

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

Hey Jay, is this story intentionally being left at the top of the list? I thought maybe a news email was being generated, but a day later and the new stories are still being posted under this one.

sebastian
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sebastian

I got an official confirmation from Renault yesterday that Renault and Nissan will both be coming out with a new battery soon (didn’t say how soon though). Crucially, they said that all Zoe and Kangoo vehicles produced after 2011 will be offered the possibility to upgrade to the new battery for an attractive price. That made my day!

Murrysville EV
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Murrysville EV

If they make such an offer for US Leafs, an ‘attractive price’ would be free, or a significant reduction (like $10k) on my lease residual.
I’m not sure what would induce a lessee to pursue such an offer.

sebastian
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sebastian

My understanding is that this is for EV owners. If you are lucky enough to lease your car, you can just get a new car when your lease term runs out.

mr. M
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mr. M

Awesome…