Report: 2016 Nissan LEAF To Get 25% Larger Battery/More Range, New Colors


A Longer Range, Current Generation, 2016 Nissan LEAF On Sale This Fall?

Report: A Longer Range, Current Generation, 2016 Nissan LEAF On Sale This Fall

It Appears Some "Special" Colors From The 80th Nissan Anniversary In Japan Have Inspired New US Choices For 2016

It Appears Some “Special” Colors From The 80th Nissan Anniversary In Japan Last Year Have Inspired New US Choices For 2016

With the market demanding a longer range LEAF to better compete against the likes of the next generation of Chevrolet Volt and other new EV offerings, the current generation of Nissan LEAF will be getting a larger 30 kWh battery for the higher trim levels of the car this Fall.

The move to increase the range of the car by the Nissan does not represent the capabilities of the next generation of LEAF – due out in Q2 2017, but does fit with what InsideEVs has been projecting to come along for the past 18 months or so on the current model.

(check out our post as to why we thought a longer range LEAF was coming this Fall here)

UPDATE (Sept 10th): 2016 Nissan LEAF CONFIRMED with 107 mile EPA range (full details, specs and pricing here)

The 2016 Nissan LEAF will also have some new color choices.

Thankfully, Nissan’s take on “Robin’s Egg Blue” (Morningsky Blue) that seems to have plagued been a required color for almost all plug-ins in the past, has been deleted along with Cayenne Red.  In its place 3 new colors – Forged Bronze, Coulis Red and Deep Blue Pearl.

2016 Nissan LEAF Colors

2016 Nissan LEAF Colors

As for the stated increase to 30 kWh for both the SV and SL trims (the S continues to come standard with the 24 kWh battery), there has been no official word from Nissan, but we have heard confirmation now from two independent dealers on the coming 2016 model year upgrade.

Nissan LEAF Battery Packs Expand Up To 30 kWh

Nissan LEAF Battery Packs Expand Up To 30 kWh

As for the new battery sizing’s effect on range, we feel the 2016 LEAF (SV/SL) could have an EPA rated range of about 105 to 110 miles.  (170 to 180 km of real world driving)

This added 3-digit range will enable the 2016 LEAF to potentially take back control of the inexpensive, all-electric vehicle segment of the market; something it had almost total domination over until about a year ago.

Over the past 12 months, just over 20,000 all-electric cars with a starting MSRP under $45,000, and 93 miles (or less) of electric range, not named “LEAF” have sold in the US.   One has to assume those buyers (and therefore future buyers) would have had a much harder look at Nissan’s EV with 100+ miles of range on tap.

The SV trim level also now comes standard with the CHAdeMO quick charge port.

No word yet on pricing for the 2016 trim levels, although it is expected to stay mostly unchanged, as is the appearance of the car overall.

The next generation, 2017 Nissan LEAF has been earlier reported by Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn as gaining at least double the range of the first edition, which now could mean anywhere from 168 miles to 200+ miles. (270 to 320 km of real world driving)

We  reached and spoke to Nissan’s Brian Brockman, Senior Manager of Communications, for comment.

Not unexpectedly, and like other automakers, the company lives by a future non-disclosure mantra,  “We have made no public announcement about the 2016 Nissan LEAF.  We do not comment on future product details.”  

But if Nissan changes its mind, or more details/confirmations of options and pricing surface – we will let you know!

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278 responses to "Report: 2016 Nissan LEAF To Get 25% Larger Battery/More Range, New Colors"
  1. Martin says:

    Looking forward to the official announcement but that looks very very likely 🙂

    1. mrenergyczar says:

      Looks like the 93 mile Soul EV will enjoy being king (of affordable EV’s) for only a year…

      1. Brian says:

        King of sub-100 sales per month?

        1. MrEnergyCzar says:

          I thought they rolled it out to 5 more states? The bread box truck look isn’t any better than the Leaf….

    2. Lausbub says:

      I am hoping for 3 phase charging capability.

      1. Lausbub says:

        Who has 3 phase? I’m hoping for on road induction charging. Every highway I seen has those transmission lines next to it asking for a wireless “shepard hook”

    3. Me says:

      StoreDot! i want to see batteries that charge fast!

  2. Lensman says:

    Well hey, congratulations Jay and the InsideEVs team! You’ve been predicting (or at least hinting) for some time now that Nissan was going to do something significant with the range in this year’s Leaf model; you deserve kudos for being correct.

    Take a bow.

      1. Assaf says:


        Kudos also for waiting a while to give Nissan a chance to come out before the leaks become a flood.

        Well, corporate ships steer slowly sometimes, and you have certainly earned this scoop.

        About the change itself, sounds like a great stopgap and “future-proofing” the value of all used Gen1’s. There’s still plenty of usability for the 80-mile BEV so I expect the S trim to still sell to a more decidedly budget segment.

        As to a ~105-110 mile, frankly there’s nothing like that out there in the affordable BEV segment, and the 3-digit headline might help turn more heads in the mainstream crowd.

    1. Cavaron says:

      I bow in front of thee!

      1. Ocean Railroader says:

        Inside EV’s in my top favorite three websites as if now.

        Besides this story with Nissan raising the range of the leaf by 25% doesn’t have any of those 400 mile EV stories in it which makes it most likely going to happen.

    2. Scramjett says:

      Well, when Jay and InsideEVs first made this claim, I’ll admit to being skeptical. However, if this ends up being true, I will gladly eat my crow and give Jay and InsideEVs their credit for projecting this early on!

      1. Joe Hays says:

        I’ll go one further, I’ll even lease one of these new extended range Leaf. I was looking at buying a used Volt or leasing the new 2016 Volt, but if I can get a Leaf with about 100 miles, that would be even better.

  3. Brian says:

    This is now the third time that I’m hearing this rumor myself. Given that the numbers/colors are always the same, it’s safe to say it at least came from the same source. Whether that source is correct, time will tell.

    I think that Nissan didn’t have much choice but to do this, what with the upcoming 2016 Volt being what it is. It’s a shame that it took 5 years for Nissan to give us the 100-mile EV that they had originally promised, but it’s good to see they are finally working towards longer range.

    1. Jay Cole says:

      While we have firmly believed this has been in the cards for well over a year, the vague rumor started to pop up last week via a central US dealer, then on a forum post at Mynissanleaf.

      We didn’t want to publish on that rumor as the news that a significant improvement was coming for the 2016 LEAF would certainly affect 2015 sales. If it turned out to be inaccurate, it would have be irresponsible of us.

      However, we got a second confirmation direct from a dealer last night, so now we feel a responsibility to put the word out. Have to be extra careful about the process in these situations.

      1. Brian says:

        Interesting, thanks for sharing. I can imagine the tension between sharing exciting news and not causing any undue harm to an industry that you yourself are passionate about.

        1. Jay Cole says:

          Honestly, usually it isn’t an issue when you are revealing something about a far-future product, or a rumor/OEM quote that quasi-effects the market today-that is basically half of what we do.

          This is something else, as it puts direct pressure on sales today ahead of Nissan’s own timeline to release the news…which given the way order system looks, was scheduled to happen later next month.

          1. Assaf says:

            Jay, you have conducted yourself admirably.

            Leaf sales have been hurting since January, and without a horizon for Gen 1 they would have languished more. This will at the very least boost the Leaf brand that has been facing lots of competition, esp. in Europe. Not so much the SoulEV which is not a volume contender, but the ZOE, GolfEV, the Outlander PHEV, etc. etc.

          2. Ocean Railroader says:

            Personally I don’t think the 2016 Nissan Leaf getting a 25% range improvement is going to affect me buying a used one for $7000

            My biggest question is Nissan raising the range of the leaf by using cells with 25% more energy in them? In that I could always put more dense cells into the used Leaf

            1. Assaf says:

              Well, you could *not*, until they came up with this 25% larger-capacity battery with the same form factor as your hypothetical used Leaf.

              Unless you were planning to build one on your own, that will somehow perfectly match Nissan’s specs and form factor?

              No, this is major news for the used Gen 1 Leaf market as well, besides being a stopgap to keep the Leaf competitive until Gen 2 rolls out.

              1. Londo Bell says:

                Remember, it’s also NOT just about stuffing a larger or denser battery in there.

                Additional software and hardware twists are required to handle the increased energy.

                1. Scott says:

                  Unless you are changing voltage, cell count (for BMS purposes) and battery chemistry, no software tweaks are needed for the car. Should cell count differ, you would have to re-interface the BMS with the car’s computer to keep any idiot lights from going off, but again, that’s only true if your cell count varies from the factory.
                  Engineering a Leaf pack really isn’t that difficult. What is difficult is beating Nissan’s factory pricing. That’s a whole lot of effort to go through for $0 savings.

                  1. Bone says:

                    At least guess-o-meter should be reprogrammed to show correct range with increased capacity. Other than that, there shouldn’t be hardware or software changes as long as the cell count, voltage and form remain the same.

                    1. James says:

                      “At least guess-o-meter should be reprogrammed to show correct range with increased capacity.”

                      I am thinking that the 25% increase in range makes this existing GOM readings accurate. 🙂

      2. Tom says:

        In my opinion, Nissan should’ve shown foresight (and balls), and not hold off on a bigger battery pack for a year. They let things slip away, including this LEAF owner to dump my 70 mile range 2011 model for a much better vehicle…..

  4. ClarksonCote says:

    And like the Volt, the Leaf will come with two different whites, a silver, and a black.

    Why do so many new models only offer 50 shades of gray?

    1. Brian says:

      Yeah, I’ve wondered about the lack of actual color options in cars myself. And why is green never available?

      1. taser54 says:

        Green was overused in the 90’s and early 00’s on cars.

        Be careful what you wish for.

        1. ClarksonCote says:

          I dunno, the latest Green offered for the Subaru Forrester looks pretty good…

          1. sven says:

            But the latest Green offered for the Mazda 2 looks pretty ugly. . .

            1. ClarksonCote says:

              So back to the original point, why don’t companies offer more colors? Looks are clearly subjective, and restricting to 50 shades of gray, a red, and a blue, just doesn’t seem to cut it.

              1. James says:

                My only guess is that Fiat purchased the global supply of nice non-grey based colors.

            2. Lensman says:

              I find the green color of that Mazda to be gorgeous! It definitely should be among the paint choices for just about every car.

              De gustibus non est disputandum.

            3. Incredulocious says:

              Actually, I like that Mazda 2 green – might work on the LEAF.

              1. Jeff Songster says:

                I too really like the bright colors. Also want to see a few non metallic colors other than black and white.

          2. EVer says:

            yuck that is incredibly bland

        2. Trace says:

          Yeah right! Pick the ugliest car from the 90s to prove your point with a sledgehammer.

          At least choose an appealing car.

          1. Brian says:

            See, that looks good to me. The Tesla Roadster also looks very nice in green.

          2. Shane says:

            Green cars should come in green. I like the Del Sol.

        3. Speculawyer says:

          Aztec . . . LOL. I laugh every time I see it in ‘Breaking Bad’.

        4. kdawg says:

          Aztek was ahead of it’s time. I still see them driving around and look in almost new condition.

          1. Speculawyer says:

            It was to some degree. The much-loved Tesla Model S is a large 5 seater hatchback like the Aztec. They just made it aerodynamic and look good.

            1. DonC says:

              I’ve always thought the Model S was very generic, but most people I know think the Model S looks like an old Buick. The front end seems to be the problem. If anything I think it looks like an Aston Martin but there aren’t that many of those around so most people likely don’t have that point of comparison.

        5. Anon says:

          That’s freakin’ “Exorcist Green”, right dere… ;D

      2. scott franco, the evil, greedy republican says:

        Yes, Yes, most leaves are green.

    2. AK says:

      Drive around your local well to do suburban area, Bellevue-Redmond-Issaquah for the Seattle Metro and look at what people are buying. Luxury cars, and regular cars, in every shade of gray imaginable. There is value in being anonymous.

    3. Lensman says:

      Just what I was thinking. What’s with nearly all the colors being shades of gray? With just one red and one (navy) blue.

      How boring.

      I remember the first car I got. An early Honda Civic, it was an orangish yellow. Rather garish, but wow was it easy to spot in a parking lot!

      1. no comment says:

        i personally like blue, but i read that blue has a negative impact on resale value.

    4. no comment says:

      i suspect that a lot of the color selections are the result of focus group interviews where they ask people what they think of different colors. black, white and red (for sportiness) are generally “safe” colors.

      1. Anon says:

        Yes. Black Red and White were good enough for Hitler’s designers… 😉

  5. John F says:

    Somewhat surprised Nissan would make a 30 kWH battery for just one year of production. If it becomes the new replacement battery for all the past LEAF models, it would breath some life into the used LEAF market as a replacement with range upgrade. That could make more sense.

    1. Brian says:

      My guess is that the 30kWh battery is the new chemistry in the old package. It’s a little more dense, so they can fit more energy into the same volume.

      The next gen Leaf will then use that same chemistry in a redesigned chassis. The chassis will have more space for the battery – more like a Tesla-style “skateboard” than the Leaf-style battery pan.

      So this new battery would be a stepping stone to learn about the new chemistry. If Nissan sell 50,000 Leafs with this configuration, they can easily pay for the marginal development cost.

      1. Ocean Railroader says:

        I don’t think Nissan is going to sell 50,000 leafs next year with a 25% range improvement. All this improvement does is range it to the power of the Kia Hamster Mobile. Also only two new quick chargers opened up between April and May.

        1. Brian says:

          FWIW, the 2016 Leaf will likely run for about 18 months. 50,000 over 18 months is very different from 50,000 in a year. It’s still a high target, but it’s attainable if they price/market the car right.

          1. John F says:

            What about the eNV-200? That market is more commercial and seems to find electric vans and cabs more economical than ICE vehicles. I would think an increment in battery size would open up a larger share of the cab and van market. That might add more years of production to a new battery line.

        2. Speculawyer says:

          I’d love to believe that but I don’t see that happening. Not unless there is some huge gasoline price spike.

      2. I assume you mean over 50,000 in just the US market, as Nissan’s global production over the last 18 months is ~100,000. Depending on pricing, Nissan could exceed 100,000 BEVs over a 12 month window in the next year.

        FYI: Total global LEAF population shoud exceed 250,000 LEAFs some time in the next 12 months.

        1. Brian says:

          To Nissan, a sale is a sale. I am talking about amortizing the development cost of a 30kWh battery over just one model year (which will likely run for 18 months). I still think that 50,000 total sales would be more than enough to justify the upgrade. 100,000 is just gravy.

    2. KenZ says:

      Hypothesis: 2017 leaf to have two battery sizes: 30 kWh. And ‘x’kWh > 30

      1. Josh says:


        I think it will become their new “base” battery capacity on the next Gen.

        There still should be an Infiniti LE before the Next Gen LEAF. But NisMoCo always plays their cards very close to their chest.

      2. Lou Grinzo says:

        Agreed. I think the path forward looks like:

        2016: S: 24kWh, SV/SL:30kWh

        2017/Leaf II: S: 30kWh, SV/SL: Significantly more than 30kWh, perhaps 40 to 45kWh.

        In other words, the 2017 Leaf II S gets a “hand me down” in the form of the 30kWh pack, and Nissan creates a tiered line of Leafs with the S being not just cheaper but more clearly targeted to a “second household car” role. (And I remain convinced that the 2nd car market is gigantic in the US, given the many millions of single-family homes with wired, attached garages.)

        If Nissan does try to make the SV/SL a direct Bolt competitor, then the EPA range will likely be in the 150 range, which is what I expect the Bolt will be, all the starry eyed 200 mile talk notwithstanding.

        Of course, the big unknown is pricing for 2016 and 2017. If the 2016 S stays at 24kWh, then I expect a price cut, perhaps $3k. Nissan likely can’t raise the prices of the SV and SL, and they need a bigger price spread to reflect the difference in the driving range, so that puts considerable downward price pressure on the S.

        Is it just me, or is everyone hearing the Star Trek ship-going-to-warp-speed sound effect right now…?

    3. no comment says:

      the timing of this doesn’t seem that bad to me. i would think that you’re going to see a lot of Nissan Leaf’s coming off lease soon, so i would think that this is an attempt to give people an incentive to “re-up” by replacing the Leaf that they are returning with a new Leaf with increased battery size.

      there is no such thing as a “low cost” BEV, but i would think that they would be able to get the upgraded Leaf for about the same price that they paid for their trade-in Leaf.

  6. Mister G says:

    I hope this is true my 2012 Leaf lease ends this year.

    1. AddLightness says:

      If you’re interested, you can get $5000 or $6500 to buy out your lease. I took advantage of that offer last week on my 2013. It’s only costing me $4000 more dollars to keep the car.

      1. Mister G says:

        I thought of it, but I would owe $21k minus $5k for 2012 SL with 30187 miles and about 45 real miles of range on full charge.

    2. Murrysville EV says:

      My 12 lease ends in September. Until now, the only replacement car was ‘not Leaf’.

      This announcement gives me some doubt about that feeling, although I may have a change in commute which would make even this 125% Leaf unviable.

      Other options include the 16 Volt, an array of hybrids and plug-ins, a cheap ICE, or walk away and save my money.

      My concern about the Leaf is what its real, actual range will be. As I’ve noted here before, in its 3rd winter I was only getting 36 actual miles on a full tank. Now it’s about 50. So Nissan adding 25% to those numbers isn’t all that great, but perhaps the lizard battery +25% is really better.

      But if I did get the 16 Leaf, I might only commit to a 2-year lease because the Model 3 is likely due in late 2017/early 2018 – maybe.

      1. Mister G says:

        2 year lease sounds good but what if model 3 is delayed or too much demand pushes back deliveries?

  7. DNAinaGoodWay says:

    Any word on a 30 kWh eNV200 for 2016?

    1. Adding the extra 6 kWh on the eNV200 would make it quite a good people mover, for sure! Especially with the new 7 seat option!

      1. ClarksonCote says:

        If it can seat 7, Brian will want it!

        1. Brian says:

          Hey, you’re getting married now – maybe you’ll have 5 kids to fill this thing up with!

          1. ClarksonCote says:

            Did you (the grammar police) just end that sentence with a preposition? I think it’s “with which to fill this vehicle” hahaha

            Also, aren’t you having a few more kids soon? You have a head start on me, and will need the seven seats first! 🙂

            1. Brian says:

              Why yes I did. Look at that. I’m not perfect 😉

              Yes, I have a head start, but that doesn’t mean I intend to keep my lead. I am quite content with fewer than 4 kids.

              1. ClarksonCote says:

                I’m reminded of a video that I sent you that you just sent me, lol…

            2. Matt says:

              Actually, if you do a little quick research, the “do not end a sentence with a preposition” rule is actually a myth most of us were mistakenly taught in grade school. Literature experts agree that prepositions can be used at the end of sentences. Believe me, I was shocked to learn this too. But it’s true.

              My apologies for the red herring.

              1. no comment says:

                as winston churchill stated; on the odious practice of ending sentences with prepositions: “this is the kind of english up with which i will not put!”

                1. Lensman says:

                  Great example, thanks! The rule about “A preposition is nothing to end a sentence with” 🙂 should be violated when it results in an overly stilted sentence construction.

  8. Grumpy says:

    I wonder if this all from a change in chemistry or if they increase the physical size of the battery pack.

    It occurs to me that an upgraded battery pack would sure make all those lease returns much more appealing. I honestly don’t know if there will be much of a market for a 1st gen EV with a battery that is somewhat degraded. Are there really going to be tens of thousands of people willing to buy a lease return when the range could degrade to 60 miles (or less) during the expected lifespan of the car?

  9. David Murray says:

    Great news.. An extra 20-ish miles may not seem like much at first, but that would go a long way to making the vehicle more viable for a lot of people. We have a Leaf and Volt and I can say that the Leaf could just about pass as our only car with exception of out-of-town trips. Adding that extra 20 miles would be enough to push it over that threshold. Most of the time that range has been an issue it has just been a matter of 10 or 15 miles.

    Also, this will put it back to being a leader in the “affordable” EV class. It’s sad when Kia is the leader in this class and they aren’t even selling very many EVs.

    1. Ryan says:

      I agree, we stretched a bit to make the Leaf work as our second EV and have found that an extra 20 miles range would make it a slam dunk for our use.

      1. Josh says:

        I think the extra 20 miles would make a reasonable hedge against the eventual battery fade.

        The “double range” battery ~EPA 160 miles would make the LEAF a slam dunk.

    2. Speculawyer says:

      Yeah, an extra 20 miles plus a decent DC-fast charge infrastructure can make it a much more manageable car.

      1. Ryan says:

        We are certainly EV enthusiasts but my wife has a 34mi daily commute, almost exactly the nation’s average. We are in Minneapolis so we see the worst of the cold weather range degredation. But Minneapolis has a fast growing DC fast charge network which is up to 22+ stations spread around the metro area and suburbs. You can get nearly anywhere except your cabin in a Leaf in Minnesota.

    3. no comment says:

      given that this is a BEV, i don’t think that the extra 20 miles will make much difference. keep in mind, depending upon where you live, that extra 20 miles could end up being a bit less than 20 miles in real world driving.

      the thing about BEVs is that you never want to feel like you’re stretching the limit unless you are a BEV enthusiast. i would think that 20 miles would be less than the standard deviation for the amount of miles driving in daily driving.

      i think that 200 miles really is a good target minimum for a BEV. BEVs are still, however, most suitable in households with 2 or more cars; you still wouldn’t want a BEV to be your only car, and you would not want a household that had only BEVs; even though some EV enthusiasts do so, we’re talking about the general public here.

      1. James M says:

        “Standard deviation” aside, the average US daily commute is only 40 miles. Our second car is actually a Civic, not our Leaf in fact. Our daily decision is who has the longer commute, that person gets the Leaf.

      2. Lensman says:

        “no comment” said:

        “i would think that 20 miles would be less than the standard deviation for the amount of miles driving in daily driving.”

        Wow, I completely disagree. 20 miles more range, or even just 14-16 miles if it’s really cold, would be a game-changer for a large number of drivers. Adding that much to the range would be the difference between a BEV being practical or impractical for a significant percentage of those now driving gas guzzlers.

        1. no comment says:

          you always want a lot more range than you think you will use. when i was driving an ICE vehicle, i would typically like to keep at least 1/4 to 1/2 tank even if i was planning on only doing 1 gallon’s worth of driving (however, with my Volt, i typically only keep 1 or 2 gallons in the tank during the warmer months).

          if you watched the video from the (former) Leaf owner in georgia, he spoke of how the Leaf limited his ability to do impromptu driving. 20 miles of range turns into a lot less than 20 miles when it is cold, so the 25% increase still leaves you feeling that you are cutting things a bit close.

      3. Ryan says:

        While I agree that 200 miles is the golden goose, there are enough people who NEVER EVER drive more than 60 miles in a day to make a decent dent in market share. 100+ miles range might be enough to push THOSE people over the edge.

  10. This will be good to compare the actual range versus space in the LEAF vs Kia Soul EV, and to see if Kia will bite and upgrade the battery capacity – or extend the Depth of Discharge to increase the Range?!

    1. Pete says:

      Kia ? They sold around 1.000 vehicle in 2015, Nissan sold over 16.000 ! Nissan wants to sell as much as possible, Kia is a good car but a compliance car. Production planing is around 5.000 for 2015.
      Kia can’t change battery after 1700 Soul EV in total, Nissan can do after 180.000 Leafs.

  11. Robster says:

    Hats off Jay, breaking news from you guys. You rock

  12. Anton Wahlman says:

    I seem to recall that back in January, at the Detroit Auto Show, Nissan’s CEO commented in relation to the Chevrolet Bolt, saying that the next-gen LEAF would arrive earlier, have longer range and be priced lower. The Bolt would arrive in November-December 2016 according to media reports, have 200 miles of EPA-certified range and cost $37,500. While there’s still time to settle the scores on price and range, assuming the Bolt media reports are correct (yeah, I know…), the LEAF 2.0 with — presumably, if one is to believe — at least 200 miles of range, would have to arrive no later than November 2016 — not 2Q 2017. Thoughts about this or these inconsistencies?

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Next gen LEAF won’t hit in 2016, 99% sure the same for Chevy Bolt.

      1. Josh says:

        Ruh roh, did GM already blow their announced timeline for Bolt?

        Next Gen LEAF and Bolt better be available before Model 3 reservations start…

        1. Jay Cole says:

          Hard to beat the start of the Tesla reservation system, they like to really come out early. Probably those will start shortly after the X launches in September, (=

          1. Josh says:


            I have a feeling Model 3 reservations will eat into Model S sales more than X reservations, and they know that.

            My guess is reservations will start about 12 months ahead of deliver #1, when they need to start purchasing tooling. Fall 2016 reveal party (with loud music and lots of alcohol) and reservations starting that night. Fall/Winter 2017 deliveries start in limited numbers.

            1. Marshal G says:

              I believe Elon’s already said March 2016 for the M3 reveal. I’m guessing they’ll start taking reservations at that time. I will be among them!

              1. Josh says:

                If Elon said March 2016, then it confirms my feeling for something like September 2016 for the actual reveal 😉

                1. GSP says:

                  Sept 2017. 🙂

                  But, It will be Awesome.


      2. krona2k says:

        I bet the next gen LEAF will be out next year. Nissan have had a *long* time to work on the next generation. Yes I know it’s all about the batteries but don’t forget they still have their joint venture with NEC (AESC) so I think they can do it. They’ve established this lead, I’m sure they don’t want to give it up.

  13. taser54 says:

    This is going to destroy resale of current leafs.

    1. przemo_li says:

      If battery is upgradeable, then no.

      EVs are more durable mechanically. So if batteries are swapped, then You get new car for cheaper 😉

    2. Ahldor says:

      The resale market has gone down for the LEAF. LEAF has gotten much competition lately so Nissan had to do something to boost LEAF sales. 30 kWh is probably the best way to go.

      Also is you always would consider the resale market you couldnt improve any car.

    3. Ocean Railroader says:

      Me personally considering I’m going to buy a used leaf this is all music to my ears.

    4. Londo Bell says:

      You need to understand the used car market (how dealers / auction work) before you can really made a statement on how LEAFs prices will be affected.

      In short – VERY SHORT – used car markets, especially during auctions, don’t view the LEAF as an electric car, but a mid-size hatchback. It’s priced per mid-size hatchback, which, unfortunately, is low (especially in N. America, because of our LOVE for hatchback). The advantage occurs only when energy prices are high (e.g. 2012/13 period).

    5. scott franco, the evil, greedy republican says:

      Which is probably why they have been dragging on upgrades. These things really should be able to get range improvements on a regular basis, continuing until I am looking up through six feet of dirt.

      1. Londo Bell says:

        I disagree.

        The notion that buying a car (especially one that is “high” tech) should be similar to that of selling a computer, or any other smart appliance for that matter, followed by frequent update (software mainly), has no place to stand on.

        We may be treating a vehicle – I know I am – as an appliance. That’s fine. But that’s solely on MY responsibility toward the vehicle.

        Not only are we talking a much more expensive item here, but these are 2 different things we are dealing with. You don’t need to take a test to operate a computer, or a smart TV. You don’t need to get insurance for those either to operate them, unless you want to. You don’t have rules implied by the government to operate any appliance, and you don’t have any chance of being killed (or be killed) by just operating an appliance.

        These are all the things that auto manufacturers have to deal with, which makes many updates or upgrades extremely difficult or costly.

  14. Anthony says:

    It would be great if it also doubles as a replacement pack for the next 10 years for existing Leaf owners. I think it gets a lot of people to step up to the higher level trims too.

    One interesting idea upthread was that the 2nd gen Leaf would have a 30-32kWh pack for 100-110 miles, plus a higher version that gets 175 miles. That sounds like a great idea, especially if corporate and government fleets start to adopt EVs over the next few years as I expect them to.

    Finally though, I wonder how much this stopgap might help those who are thinking about EVs – GM already announced the Bolt will get 200, but will someone care about an EV that gets a little over half that range? Or is it just a reward for those already in the EV mindset.

  15. Loboc says:

    If 100mi is all you need, a cheaper car than Bolt will probably sell well. Over 30k for Bolt and ~$199 lease for Leaf. Guess we’ll have to wait a little longer to see which way these guys go at it.

  16. Loboc says:

    I wonder what happened to Infinity LE?

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Much delayed (to make it to ‘larger pack land’), but last we heard still confirmed/tentatively on the schedule around Q1 2017. Wouldn’t surprise us to see it on the stand at something like the NAIAS in January as it doesn’t mess with the LEAF demos nearly as much as the next gen reveal would.

      1. evnow says:

        Or may be Gen 2 Leaf & Infiniti EV gets revealed together.

    2. Speculawyer says:

      It got laughed off the market in view of the Tesla Model S.

      I think they probably completely dumped it and had to start over from nothing.

      GM probably should have done the same thing with ELR but I guess it being a PHEV, they thought there was a market for people who still wanted gasoline.

  17. kdawg says:

    1) Are they using LG Chem battery cells now?

    2) What the hell is “Super Black”? I didn’t know there were different levels of black.

    1. Jelloslug says:

      Super Black is a bit blacker than black but not quite as black as Super Duper Black.

      1. kdawg says:

        Coming next year…. “Singularity Black”.
        Make gawkers say “Woah… that’s heavy man”

    2. Josh says:

      Super Black actually sucks in some of the color from the cars parked next to you

      1. Lou Grinzo says:

        No, no, no. You’re thinking of Monolith Black, which had limited runs in 2001 and 2010.

        (I’ll wait while those of you who get the movie reference explain it to everyone else.)

        1. Khai L. says:

          movie. Arthur C. Clarke. 2001: Space Odyssey. Didn’t like it, was a tween at that time and mind wasn’t mature enough to appreciate it.

          I prefer super duper black better myself.

          1. Khai L. says:

            oops. it was directed by Stanley Kubrick and released in 1968. Wasn’t born yet at the time! Must’ve confused it with a re-release.

            1. SeattleTeslaGuy says:

              clark wrote the story.

        2. Lensman says:

          Lou Grinzo said:

          “I’ll wait while those of you who get the movie reference explain it to everyone else.”

          Uh-uh. The monolith was deliberately, almost aggressively, enigmatic. Explaining it is just wrong on every level.

          1. Lou Grinzo says:

            I never said anything about explaining the monolith; I was talking about the movie reference.

            And for the record, the monoliths (as seen in 2010 in great numbers) are clearly compressed blocks of old AOL CDs.

      2. Electric Ray says:

        As I recall, the reference is to the limo owned by Hotblack Desiato, of the band Disaster Area. It was described as “of classic, simple design, like a flattened salmon, twenty yards long, very clean, very slick. There was just one remarkable thing about it:

        “It’s so…black!” said Ford Prefect. “You can hardly make out it’s shape…light just seems to fall into it!”
        Zaphod said nothing. He had simply fallen in love.

        The blackness of it was so extreme that it was almost impossible to tell how close you were standing to it.

        “Your eyes just slide off it…”said Ford in wonder. It was an emotional moment. He bit his lip.

        Zaphod moved forward to it, slowly, like a man possessed—or more accurately, like a man who wanted to possess. His hand reached out to stroke it. His hand stopped. His hand reached out to stroke it again. His hand stopped again.

        “Come feel this surface,” he said in a hushed voice.
        Ford put his hand out to feel it. His hand stopped.

        “You…you can’t…” he said

        “See?” said Zaphod. “It’s just totally frictionless. This must be one mother of a mover…”

        This is from “The Restaurant at the End of the Universe,” the sequel to “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy,” by Douglas Adams, circa 1980.

        I think I saw a copy on Elon Musk’s desk at Stanford.

        And he may have seen the TV series or movies. Or heard the BBC radio show.

    3. scott franco, the evil, greedy republican says:

      Really REALLY black?

    4. philip d says:

      “It’s like, how much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black.”

      1. Speculawyer says:

        It is supposed to be sexy.

    5. Just wait … Übre Black 😉

    6. no comment says:

      “super black” is just a label, and each color palate tends to have its own labeling. it just turns out that the Nissan color palate has a color called “super black”, just like GM has names for the colors that are in the GM color palate.

  18. Jelloslug says:

    If that pack will fit in an older Leaf picking up a lightly used off-lease car and then dropping in the bigger battery would be a great deal.

  19. Jeff Songster says:

    Great news… Nice to see that Nissan is setting up the next phase of affordable electric vehicles so well. If they can hold the same base prices as last year and not too sweet a premium for these new batteries then they will have a hit. Like the new colors too… though would have been nice to get more variables like solid non metallics and such. Here’s hoping that these batteries are fully backwards compatible with every LEAF made.
    The E-NV200 will no doubt be introduced in the US with this new battery option as it seems like that was part of Nissan’s hesitation in this market with our longer commutes and trips at higher speeds.

  20. bernietx says:

    what will the pricing action be on the three models? S,SV,SL? Perhaps S stays constant, or drops by a nominal amount like $500-$1000, and SV/SL increase in price?

  21. CherylG's_DirtyLittleSecret says:

    I’ll hold off for the MY2017.
    Hoping the body style improves.

  22. ClarksonCote says:

    Now if they would also make it with a CCS port! 😛

    1. Brian says:

      Or better yet, a supercharger port 😛

    2. Yes, I’m surpirsed that they sold any with CHAdeMO, what with only 6000 charge locations around the world, always the same plug.

      Surely, there must be a MILLION of the CCS stations, right?

      1. ClarksonCote says:

        You crack me up Tony. If we’re going to base the decision on how many of ports are available, let’s choose gasoline and be done with it.

        Also, how about we look at how many CHADEMO ports were available when the LEAF was introduced? Roughly the same as CCS, like zero.

        I’m sorry to have struck a nerve with you.

      2. crossie says:

        There are now more than a thousand CCS locations in europe, up from about 400 six months ago. The Germans alone have over 600 CCS locations coming online in the next 6 months. Here in Ireland everyone will be at most 40km (if you live up a mountain in Mayo) from a CCS rapid by the end of the summer.

    3. GSP says:

      Instead of asking for a Leaf with a CCS port, why not ask for dual standard chargers to be installed everywhere? This is how the automakers agreed to settle the incompatibility problem.


      1. ClarksonCote says:

        That is already happening. Which is another reason why counting numbers today as justification for one over the other just seems silly. I prefer quality and functionality over quantity, which will follow.

        I just think the broader market will prefer a standard that is lighter weight and easier to use. Ultimately, I really just want to see EVs proliferate as much as possible.

      2. Just yesterday BMW and Nissan jointly announced such a dual-infrastructure DCQC project in South Africa. (CCS + CHAdeMO)

        Photos has a BMW i3 & Nissan LEAF charging side by side. The two BEVs now selling in Asia, Europe, N.America & S. Africa.

    4. Speculawyer says:

      Who will be brave enough to make the first EV with both CCS and Chademo?

      1. We may offer both on the RAV4 EV next year.

        We can use exactly the same hardware for either:

  23. ggpa says:

    Will Nissan bring back the 80/100% charge option. I hope they do for a number of reasons

    – With the bigger battery, fewer occasions will need a 100% charge
    – The charging is more efficient when you stop at 80%
    – The battery lasts longer if you stop at 80%
    – With the battery at 100% there is no regen, no “single foot driving”

    1. Londo Bell says:

      The reason for not having the 80/100% charge, according to Nissan and some other sources I’ve read (but since forgotten as it was 3 years ago) was that there was virtually no difference in terms of battery degradation between the 2 modes.

      Virtually can mean, yes, there was some, but very minor to the point that it’s meaningless within the warranty period, unless you are keeping your vehicle for a very long time (10 years plus).

      However, the downside there is the EPA penalty, which mandates the manufacturer to use an average number for the vehicle range between the 2 modes.

      I don’t know if the above is just an agenda from Nissan, or truth.

      Having said that, you can always use the timer to twist the amount of charge.

      Also, if you have a late model LEAF (13+, but more likely for 14+), the regen is actually kicking in significantly (by the # of bubbles) under B mode, even if you have, say, 90%+ charge (upward of 3 bubbles).

      1. Japanese and European versions still have the 80% option.

        1. Stephen Hodges says:

          I agree, I live on the top of a 3 mile, 1600 ft hill, and hate having to go beyond 80%, as then I have to ride the brakes all the way. I would almost prefer they put in a “diversion load” style dump and maintain the motor braking than rely on the brake pads

    2. Lensman says:

      It would be better for Nissan to do what Tesla has done: Replace the either/or 80%/100% choice with the ability to choose any percentage you want. That way the EPA hopefully won’t fixate on 80% as the charge to use for its range ratings, as it did with older model years of the Leaf.

      EV drivers wanting to drive their EV as far as possible are generally going to use a 100% charge, and the EPA’s ratings should reflect that. Sure, you don’t want to charge to 100% every day, but most EV drivers don’t challenge their car’s range every day, either. If they do, then they bought the wrong car.

      1. Londo Bell says:

        In a Tesla S (or X), it makes sense to have the sliding variations, and you can adjust from, say 100 miles to 200 miles – that is A LARGE range.

        On a LEAF (future ’16 model), makes no sense, as the max range is about 110-120’ish (or current, 90-100’ish). If someone selects a low %, we are possibly talking some 50-60 mi (not cold weather), which is not enough for most (or vehicles with such range such as i-MiEV would be selling like hot cakes already). If one selects from 80% and upwards, we are talking about some 20 – 25 miles difference. The test/equipment one needs to do to calibrate can be costly. Most importantly, with L2, one can charge a LEAF from 20’ish % to full 100% in about 3.5 – 4 hours, vs possibly 3 hours to go 80%. Again, not too big difference in terms of charging time, unlike a Tesla.

  24. Anthony Castro says:

    great news!! I really hope I can put this battery pack into my current 2011 Leaf. I have about 70% left on my battery pack (50-60 miles). I’d be willing to pay for that new battery.

  25. Daniel says:

    I don’t think that the Leaf competes in any way with the Volt. Two completely different cars and approaches. The comparison muddies the water for the uninformed who read the article and is sub-par journalism. A real competitor for Leaf would be the Ford Focus Electric, Kia Soul EV, Volkswagen E-Golf etc. which rely on a PLUG only!

    You can’t add gas to the Leaf and keep driving!! The Volt is NOT a BEV!!! PERIOD! no matter how much you want it to be. Yes it has a substantial all electric operating range (I know I own one) but it is NOT a Leaf competitor.

    1. David Murray says:

      Sorry, but it does compete very much. If you follow the forums you’ll see many people who have converted from Leaf to Volt or vice-versa. In a perfect world where all cars are electric, there would be no cross-shopping. But since the electric market is still limited in models to chose from, Leaf and Volt do compete with each other.

      1. Jay Cole says:


        While the Volt and LEAF are different types electrified vehicles for sure, they do compete at similar price tags in the same field.

        Now that the Chevrolet Volt gets a significant range increase for 2016 (50 miles), it will certainly eat at the ‘city’ BEVs closest to it in range – after all why not almost have the same electric range and also the back-up, extended range option for about the same cost?

        For 2015, the LEAF had well more than double the range of the Volt, which made them a lot less cross-shopped than would be the case if the LEAF was unchanged in 2016 and Nissan saw its electric range premium fall to only 65% over the Chevy.

        While 50 miles is nice improvement for the Volt, a 100+ mile EPA rating on the 16 LEAF will keep decent separation between the two. Even at that, I think many buyers not firmly tied to a specific PHEV/BEV preference will still consider both in some manner.

        1. no comment says:

          a lot of the buyers of *EVs in the first iteration were EV enthusiasts and early adopters. what will be interesting is to see how the re-up rates go for the second iteration. my thinking is that among Leaf drivers, there will be a lot of guys like the guy in georgia, who liked the Leaf but didn’t like the limitations of BEVs. merely increasing range 25% will not address all of those concerns that he indicated in his video.

          it is too limiting to look at the total stated range for a BEV and believe that that is the whole story, because if you want to drive the vehicle every day, you have to also consider how much range you can recover each day in addition to how much you will drive each day. hypothetical “sunny day” scenarios don’t cut it, as the Leaf driver in georgia discovered.

      2. Volt is Amerika only car. That can’t be a competition for a world car.

        1. Brian says:

          It can be in America 😉

    2. no comment says:

      i am going to partially agree with you on this. there is a BEV segment; and in that segment, the Leaf and Volt do compete. the BEV segment includes a lot of BEV enthusiasts and early adopters.

      there is a bigger general market segment that is not served as well by BEVs. in that segment, the Leaf would not compete with the Volt. this segments includes people who are currently driving ICEs and is less early adopter oriented.

      part of the problem with the Volt is that too many people see the Volt as being comparable to the Leaf. so the Volt gets slotted into the BEV segment and so the people who would not consider a BEV would not consider the Volt. i believe that the trick to opening up the larger segment is for GM to more strongly differentiate the Volt from BEVs.

      1. Lensman says:

        GM invented a term, “EREV” or “Extended Range Electric Vehicle”, for their PHEV, the Volt, precisely so they could better distinguish it from a BEV. Hard to see what GM could have done to make it even more clear.

        1. no comment says:

          the distinction is clear to EV enthusiasts, but it is not clear to the general public, and that is the problem: the people that GM needs to reach at this point are the general public, not the EV enthusiasts.

  26. Lad says:

    There is a secret Government agency in charge of issuing automobile colors that is controlled by the political party in the majority in Congress; why do you think we suddenly have an intense interest in bring a more vivid red color to market while suppressing any modifications to the blue colors, making them even more dull and uninteresting. And all this time you thought the selections were based on logical factors. My God man, there are conspiracies everywhere you turn; you just have to be aware and read the very facts before your eyes. These Republicans will go to any lengths to get elected.. even leading you to suppress your love for the color blue in favor of red…what have we become?

    1. Rick says:

      I remember way back in the Gerald Ford administration when there was an effort by the NHTSA to make all cars red, presumably because red was the most visible, and therefore safest car color. We were going to have a Red Car Nation.

      1. ClarksonCote says:

        Somewhat ironically, don’t red cars have higher insurance premiums typically, or is that a myth? Something about sportiness and statistics that I heard years ago.

        1. no comment says:

          the color doesn’t raise premiums, but red is the most popular color for people who buy sporty cars. so the premiums would be higher because they bought a sporty car; the premiums would still be higher if they got their sporty car in black (which is another popular color).

          1. ClarksonCote says:

            Yeah, the red car insurance premium concern is something I was told about previously, but is apparently a myth.

        2. Larry says:

          I always thought yellow was the most visible color.

          1. Larry says:

            Oops! Didn’t see the following post!

          2. no comment says:

            actually green is the most visible color. it is in the middle of the visible light spectrum. the neighboring colors in the spectrum are yellow and blue.

      2. philip d says:

        I thought yellow is considered more visible.

        1. Lensman says:

          Rick must be smokin’ something. Red is the first color to “disappear” at night. Our eyes’ color receptors don’t work well in low light, so our vision fades to monochrome (white/gray/black). Red starts looking black in low light, before any other colors fade to monochrome. That’s why in many cities they started painting fire trucks lime yellow instead of red; much better visibility at night.

          ClarksonCote: Just another urban myth.

          1. kdawg says:

            I thought white was the most visible car.

            1. Pedro says:

              White then yellow are the most visible colors because of their ability to reflect light. That’s why ambulances use those colors.

              White cars are the safest and better for battery life since are cooler.

              Black is the worst color for a car. Regarding accidents and battery degradation.

              1. no comment says:

                light reflection is more a matter of the paint finish and not the paint color. any color with a high gloss finish can reflect light.

          2. no comment says:

            i don’t think this statement is true. i would think that dark blue (i.e. indigo or violet) would appear black before red does (in fact, your eyes can’t really detect the difference between indigo and violet even under normal light). red, on the other hand, is the most difficult color to render accurately. it doesn’t turn black, as you suggested, it just doesn’t look red.

            while red renders well under daylight conditions, the energy efficient lighting typically used in street lighting (such as fluorescent and sodium halide) tends to have poor color rendering characteristics. ironically, the light bulbs that are marketed as “daylight” bulbs tend to be notoriously bad at rendering reds.

  27. Speculawyer says:

    30KWH . . . well it is nice that it is bigger. But that is an incremental increase. Not a big increase like the Bolt & Model 3. But . . . it will be available soon unlike those vaporware (so far) cars.

    1. Ocean Railroader says:

      This EV story sounds way to realistic with what I expected to happen that it’s to the point that it has to be true.

      I wish though that this would have happened back in 2013 though.

  28. Ocean Railroader says:

    In theory you could create a 180 mile range Mitsubishi i-miev by replacing it’s battery pack with these more powerful leaf cells.

    In that the i-miev only has a energy density of 109watts a keg. The old leaf had a power of 160 watts a keg. If this 2016 leaf is a 25% improvement with energy density of 25% it raises the energy deference in the leaf to i-miev by double.

    1. Brian says:

      I’m pretty sure it would be a 120-mile iMiev, not 180. The current iMiev gets 62 miles on its 16kWh battery. With about double the battery, it would get about double the range.

    2. Stephen says:

      I get more than 120kW per keg, but unfortunately my steering performance reduces;-)

  29. Cayenne Red was the best color for the Leaf. I hope it’s kept in Europe.

  30. scott franco, the evil, greedy republican says:

    If that schedule holds, then that would be good for me to hang on to my 2016 expiring lease for another year into 2017 and get the Leaf-NT. If they come out with “super range” leafs you are not going to get a price break on the lease down payment.

    Leaf vs. Bolt? Chademo vs. CCS, better track record selling EVs, fuglier.

    I’m usually a loyal customer until something better comes along 🙂

    Apparently nobody sees faster charging as important (than 50KW). I appear to be alone in the charger winds…..

    1. Josh says:

      It is a longer wait, but Model 3 should hit everything you want, if you can spend ~$40k.

      I am in hold for Model 3 or used S mode, but may be swayed by Bolt or LEAF 2.0 depending on details. Wildcard would be VoltUV before then.

      1. Model 3 is a vaporware car.

      2. Scott Franco, the greedy republican says:

        Its very true Josh, but it also matters if the time to wait for a Model 3 is going to be a significant part of a three year lease. I’m not sure anyone here believes there will be a model 3 in 2017, more like pushing 2020.

    2. SeattleTeslaGuy says:

      Being a Tesla guy, faster charging IS what it’s all about.

    3. Daniel says:

      I do .. I want to charge as fast as possible. One of the things I dislike about my Volt is it’s slow charge rate. 3.3kw will not even keep up with cabin pre-conditioning loads!! (yes I can burn gas as well) but IMHO any BEV “not PHEV or EREV” should support at least up to 7.2 KW level II as well as some standard of DCFC.

  31. Andrew says:

    I’m so curious to see if they cram in the eNV’s active TMS into the ’16 Leaf pack.

    Regardless, this is a wonderful jump forward for EVs. A real ~110 miles of EPA range at an affordable price is a big deal just five years after the modern EV era began.

  32. Roberto says:

    This is RUBISH.
    the Zoe with its 22kw battery can do 140 miles and does not look like a nightmare.

    The best thing to do with the leaf is to discontinue it and start again.

    1. Nix says:

      1) The Zoe has never been tested on the US EPA test cycle, so we have no idea what the EPA rating would be. It has only been tested on the European test cycle, and a 140 mile range rating on that test is not the same as the US EPA test results.

      2) The Zoe is smaller (less passenger space, smaller boot) and should go further. The EU generally accepts smaller cars better than US buyers.

      1. Lensman says:

        Yes, the Zoe is smaller, but so is its battery pack: 22 kWh vs. the Leaf’s 24 kWh. I would guess an EPA rating would put the range slightly higher than the Leaf, but only slightly. Almost certainly not breaking that psychologically important 100 mile barrier.

        1. kdawg says:

          Also depends on how many kWh of the pack they use.

          1. Scott Franco, the greedy republican says:

            I’m nursing a theory that:

            range = KWH / weight

            Someday I am going to plot the current cars to see how linear that is.

            1. Lensman says:

              I think you’ll find that wind resistance (drag coefficient) is a better measure of the efficiency (and therefore range) of an EV than the weight. Half of the energy of pushing a car down the road at 55 MPH is used up just fighting wind resistance.

              Weight affects rolling resistance, but that’s only takes about 7% of the total energy required to propel the car. Weight also matters when accelerating and braking, so affects efficiency a lot more in stop-and-go, city driving than in steady speed, highway driving.

        2. Pedro says:

          Actually the old Zoe Q210 battery is 26 KWh of which 22 KWh is usable. With the new Renault Zoe R240 is 23,3 KWh usable. Nissan Leaf has a 24 KWh battery, but only 21 KWh is usable.

          That said, I really like the Zoe more than the Leaf.

          Not to forget Zoe has NMC LG Chem battery, than is more energy dense and durable than the LMO AESC battery in the Leaf.

  33. Nix says:

    I bet right now Nissan is trying to figure out which two dealerships leaked this. I’m sure they have had some choice words for the dealer franchise network about non-disclosure agreements.

    With that said, I like the new Coitus Red…..

    1. kdawg says:

      I know that was a joke, but for those that don’t know what Coulis is

      A coulis (/kuːˈliː/ koo-lee; French, from Old French couleis, from Vulgar Latin cōlāticus, from Latin cōlātus, past participle of cōlāre, to strain) is a form of thick sauce made from puréed and strained vegetables or fruits. A vegetable coulis is commonly used on meat and vegetable dishes, and it can also be used as a base for soups or other sauces. Fruit coulis are most often used on desserts. Raspberry coulis, for example, is especially popular with poached apples or Key Lime Pie.

      The term originally referred to the released juices of cooked meats, and today can sometimes refer to a puréed soup of shellfish.

      1. sven says:

        That went over my head. What does coulis have to do with coitus (sexual intercourse)?

        1. Lensman says:

          That went over my head too, until I went back and looked at the article: The name of the red paint color is “Coulis Red”.

      2. Trace says:

        So… V8 juice? I guess that wouldn’t work for a bev. 😀

      3. Scott Franco, the greedy republican says:

        Coitus: V.

        The act of getting your carpet cleaned.

    2. Scott Franco, the greedy republican says:

      I’m guessing that name will not fly….

  34. Anderlan says:

    My already depressed leased LEAF value just dropped off a cliff. But EVs are getting better and will dominated the world soon. I’m crying and laughing with joy at the same time.

    1. Speculawyer says:

      That is part of the badge of honor of being an early adopter.

  35. Anderlan says:

    Important question: will the controller and motor be tweaked on the SV & SL (or just changed for all trims and software-configured appropriately on the SV & SL) to pull more horses from the pack and to the motor? Bigger pack means more total power.

    1. Anderlan says:

      Bigger pack means not only more power out, but more power in, meaning higher peak charge power level and thus higher peak miles/minute recovered. Also slightly higher possible regen which makes up slightly for the added weight of the bigger pack. And finally a bigger pack means fewer cycles/mile which means a longer lasting (more lifetime miles) pack.

  36. kubel says:

    Now I just need to decide if I’m going to do a short lease on the 2016 LEAF, 2016 Volt, or just drive my gas car and hold off until 2017.

    1. Londo Bell says:

      Hate to say it, but drive your gas car – WISELY and conservatively – until 2017 for the vehicle you plan to get.

      Lease are nothing but financial institution recapping for deprecation of the vehicle.

      HUGE, DEEP DROP in the 1st 2 years = you are paying a very big chunk of the depreciation.

      If you look around, most leases from manufacturers are 36 or 39 months lease, which allow someone to not take the major blow. Dealers sometime have special 2 years lease, but do your math just in case.

      P.S. Don’t go for 39 months. It’s a complete rip off. Not only will you need to pay for repairs at lease end, you also pre-paid additional 9 months of DMV fees for no reason!

      1. Kaleb says:

        Londo Bell wrote:
        “P.S. Don’t go for 39 months. It’s a complete rip off. Not only will you need to pay for repairs at lease end, you also pre-paid additional 9 months of DMV fees for no reason!”

        So if I leased for 36 months, the first year was paid up-front, the second year was paid out-of-pocket and I would not have to pay the third year of license fees and essentially turn the car in with expired tags?

        1. Londo Bell says:

          36 months means 3 years.

          If you lease your vehicle say, 6/2015, the your lease ends at 6/2018, your tag will go until 6/2016

          2nd year (13 – 24 months) you will need to renew your tag, now good until 6/2017.

          3rd year (25 – 36 months) final renewal, good until 6/2018.

          3 tags total, 1st time from dealer, 2 renewals on your own.

          If you go with 3 months, then on 4th year (37 – 39 months) you still have to renew, and the tag will bee good until 06/2019, BUT…you return the vehicle on 09/2018. AFAIK, DMV does annual renewal only, and not by month, so you pay for additional 9 months without any refund, and no vehicle to drive.

          1. Kaleb says:

            Thanks, I assumed I would have to renew the tags before turning it in. Yet another perk I didn’t expect!

            1. Nate says:

              It depends on the state in terms of if there is even a difference in DMV costs. In my state, no difference between a 36 or 39 month lease in regard to the licensing costs.

              A lot of times the Leaf leases out best at 24 months.

              In terms of out of warranty repairs, it depends on what kind of car. If the warranty expires in 36 months, Londo does have a point about the 3 month non-warranty period. On the other hand the likelyhood of having a paid repair is pretty small if you are leasing a decent car.

              One size does not fit all when it comes to deciding to outright purchase new or used, vs. financing used, vs financing/leasing new. Do your research and crunch the numbers based on your needs and best available deals, not someone else’s.

      2. kubel says:

        I think leasing makes a bit more sense with EVs since there’s little that’s known about the car’s reliability, residual value, and advancements. There’s also the $7500 tax credit, which is fully applied to the lease that I would not qualify for completely if I purchase.

        If I purchased my LEAF instead of leasing it, I would have been screwed both on depreciation, tax credit, and battery degradation. So leasing is absolutely the best way to go until these uncertainties are ironed out.

        1. Londo Bell says:

          I am actually for leases, especially on EVs. My comments to you were based solely on the condition that you would like to get something in ’17.

          The other part of my comments were on duration of leases, and why 36 months make the most financial feasible sense, generally, especially when the incentives on EV can be time based, such as in CA.

    2. Mister G says:

      Lease a BEV if money is not an issue because we have reached 400 ppm of CO2 and Greenland ice cap is melting faster than predicted by experts.

  37. anthony says:

    all I need is the larger battery for the nissan leaf and a decent body kit and it would be perfect!

    1. Scott Franco, the greedy republican says:

      Have you tried working out?

  38. James says:

    You were bang-on with your story two weeks ago if this turns out to be true.

    This looks like a scoop, I just hope that dealer had the facts right. Hanging your hat on the testimony of a dealer is a bit risky. But I agree with you, since the tea leaves pretty much indicated this move, and GM advertising 2016 Volt 7 months before it reach dealers – Nissan had to do something.

    Here’s a quote from your LEAF range prediction article:


    – “When close to a next generational launch (within 6-12 months or so), car executives clam-up until the last possible moment, so as not to bastardize current gen sales.”


    Please tell that to GM. Jumping on the opportunity to tout the ’16 Volt as “The Car Of Tomorrow”, they jumped the gun bigtime, IMO. Tomorrow is right – nobody can buy one for 6 months! This reeks of the notion that Volt is intended as a “halo” product and margins are still not high enough to play by the usual rules in keeping hush as not to “bastardize” the current model.

    1. James says:

      Adding insult to injury – the ’16 Volt shows up near the end of the movie – in the background for about 2 seconds.

      1. Bro1999 says:

        Aaaaand the movie bombed at the box office. Only a matter of time before people blame the Volt for weak ticket sales. :p

  39. LOU PATRICK says:

    One thing this article shows is that there is truly demand for more range with the LEAF. The article has one of the larger postings (other than Tesla posts which tend to go crazy)that I have seen on Inside EV’s.


    1. Anon says:

      I think everyone that is pro-BEV, is genuinely glad to see Nissan finally stepping up and improving their 5 year old EV offering.

      That said, I can’t wait till they remove the fugly from it. And better aerodynamics won’t hurt it…

      1. Aatheus says:

        To each their own. I personally like the odd look of the LEAF. It tells everyone that this car isn’t just another boring gas-burner.

        1. Anon says:

          And some folks think the Aztec is cute. But those “Bug Eyes”, “Carp Mouth” and “Diaper Butt” on the Leaf, cost the vehicle both range and sales by people who have more refined aesthetic sensibilities.

          Double the current range, make it beautiful & more efficient– and Nissan will not be able to keep up with demand.

          1. evnow says:

            I guess this looks cute to non-Eurocentric people. looks like a cute anime car to me.

            In the US want aggressive – mean looking cars (guess EU too). That is what Leaf will be next gen.

            1. Robb Stark says:


              The most aggressive front end styling in the world is in China.

              The bigger more aggressive the grill the better.

          2. Larry says:

            Have you SEEN the line-up of Nissan cars?? They design more weird-looking cars than any other manufacturer. I think the odds are against a “beautiful” Leaf 😉

          3. crossie says:

            Every element is there to increase range. If it looked like an ordinary car the range would be lower not higher. The drag coefficient is just 0.26

            The “bug eyes” direct air over the wing mirrors. The “carp mouth” is very aerodynamic and the rear reduces drag.

        2. Robb Stark says:

          Most people don’t need to announce to the world how superior and eco-friendly they are.

  40. mr. M says:


  41. Just_Chris says:

    That explains the early sell off of compliance cars this year, would you read this article and then rush out and buy a 500e or a Spark.

    The also sends a pretty strong message to the late comers to the party:

    “Your late, the cheap beer has already gone”

    1. I think especially the expensive BMW i3 will have a problem to justify it’s then smaller battery. Either BMW adds more battery capacity next year too, or they will lose many sales.

      1. crossie says:

        There are solid rumors of a 40% increase in capacity next year with an upgrade program for existing i3 owners.

  42. Just_Chris says:

    It would also be very cool if the 25% range increase came with a 25% power increase, AWD and the NISMO aero pack.

    Not that any of these are needed I just think it would be nice if the Leaf range started with a base model Leaf that was as good as the current leaf but cheaper and ended with something that could give an i3 a run for its money…… although you’d probably need to double the power to give an i3 a run for its money.

  43. Aatheus says:

    I really really hope that this turns out to be accurate, both timing-wise and spec-wise. I would be very happy with 25% more useable battery capacity for a very long time.

    Now can we also get 25% faster charging as well? A 7.X kW charger would be a nice bump from 6.0kW, especially since I rarely ever get it on the 208v at work. Maybe 10kW? One can dream.

  44. Nate says:

    I like the new dark blue option.

  45. David says:

    What Nissan should do a is offer to upgrade current generation Leafs to the tweaked battery akin to how Tesla upgraded their roadster customers. I’d rather have that than the $5k lease write down..

  46. Murrysville EV says:

    I’d like to know what they’ve done about degradation. My 2012 battery has degraded at 3X the rate of a Tesla battery (gleaned from data published here at IEVs). I believe this is due to the deeper cycling, and number of cycles it must endure – relative to a Model S.

    This extra 25% will help a bit on this detail, but what’s the word on 2013-15 battery degradation so far?

    Or does this question mean nothing if Nissan is merely changing to a more efficient chemistry in order to use the same package size, so then we can’t infer anything about degradation?

    1. Scott Franco, the greedy republican says:

      Dude, I am on my third year of a 2013 lease, I see no drop in range at all.

    2. Joshili says:

      Pretty sure it is mostly because of Nissan’s decision to not bother with a temperature management system at all in their batteries, unlike the other EV manufacturers. Lithium ion batteries degrade at higher temperatures and higher SOC and Nissan decided to ignore that entirely and treat their batteries as if they are disposable. Having to change out your Nissan Leaf’s battery every few years because of degradation is not a very good point in favor of EV’s and their environmental benefits.

      I personally would never buy a Nissan EV because of this short cut they took.

      Glad the capacities are finally starting to creep up. The trend needs to continue and the other manufacturers who actually bother to build a battery pack that will last should get on board with this trend.

      1. crossie says:

        The Mark 1.5 (2nd half of 2013 forward) had a battery chemistry change. Almost no degradation noticed on those packs. My dad has a Leaf that has done 55,000km with less than a 1/2 a percent loss.

        Loss on the old mark 1 pack depended on the local climate. There are a number of Leafs here in Ireland in use as Taxis. The worst I’ve heard of was a mark 1 with 212,000km on the odometer and just under 11% capacity loss on the pack.

        1. Murrysville EV says:

          That’s amazingly good degradation.

          Here is western Pennsylvania, winter temperatures can dip down to -10F (-23C) several times. This causes the climate control to run at 5+ kW for long periods, and the battery cycles much deeper.

          At 24k miles, my battery’s State of Health is down to 87%.

  47. HG Wells says:

    Are Nissan dealers getting too excited?
    Looking around some dealers already have 2016 listed. Is it closer than we think?

    I saw a few of these last week, but they’ve disappeared.

    They do have the correct colors!

    1. HG Wells says:

      No I have not seen the actual vehicle.

      What I’m referring to is seeing the listings for 2016 Nissan leafs on dealer websites. Until I saw the listed colors in this article I thought it was just something computer-generated.

  48. Martin T says:

    Good on the battery upgrade,
    but seriously – not just Nissan what is with all these grey dark colours?

    What happened to some brighter colours so you don’t melt into the road unseen.
    Only Red has some punch to it the rest ?

    1. bro1999 says:

      I wish the Volt was offered in electric green. I mean come on, that color just screams EV in every way. =P

    2. crossie says:

      I know in Ireland the most popular color is grey. 34% of Leafs registered here since January were ordered in grey.

  49. ClarksonCote says:

    Hey Jay, is this story intentionally being left at the top of the list? I thought maybe a news email was being generated, but a day later and the new stories are still being posted under this one.

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Yupper, has been a lot of news in the last cycle, so we didn’t want it falling off the front page in only a few hours, (=

      It is not so much for the desktop users as we have “featured story” blocks to highlight the popular stories of the past couple days, but given the limited space on the mobile site, the story would have be completely buried (and likely missed) very quickly.

      1. ClarksonCote says:

        Roger that, and bravo on a 3 minute reply time. 😉

        1. Jay Cole says:

          Thanks, (=

      2. Lensman says:

        I was surprised, but glad, to see this story “pinned” as the first to come up in my browser even a day later. Some stories are important enough to be highlighted longer, and this is certainly one of ’em.

  50. sebastian says:

    I got an official confirmation from Renault yesterday that Renault and Nissan will both be coming out with a new battery soon (didn’t say how soon though). Crucially, they said that all Zoe and Kangoo vehicles produced after 2011 will be offered the possibility to upgrade to the new battery for an attractive price. That made my day!

    1. Murrysville EV says:

      If they make such an offer for US Leafs, an ‘attractive price’ would be free, or a significant reduction (like $10k) on my lease residual.
      I’m not sure what would induce a lessee to pursue such an offer.

      1. sebastian says:

        My understanding is that this is for EV owners. If you are lucky enough to lease your car, you can just get a new car when your lease term runs out.

    2. mr. M says:


  51. Sublime says:

    I wonder if the SV and SL will also have more power. If the inverters/motor can handle it and the new cells have a similar C rating, maybe a 100kW (134hp) LEAF.
    A faster 0-60 might soften any major price difference between the S and SV.

  52. Christof says:

    Sigh, still not enough extra range for me. Divorce hit me 6 months into my 2-year LEAF lease, and made it my only car for past 10 months, with another 8 to go on lease, which expires Feb. 22, 2016. Love the LEAF, wish I could stick with it, hate GAS/Big Oil, but run out of charge twice (both in 15 degree temps, BTW!). If Nissan would pull a Tesla and actually invest in meaningful mid-to-long-distance charging network, I could stick with LEAF, but apparently Nissan’s catering to the 99% of LEAF owners, who have a gasser as a second car in their garage. Frankly, I can’t blame Nissan, if I’m in the 1% with LEAF my only Car. Of course, Nissan not investing in EV charging infrastructure undermines the EV cause AND it ensures the LEAF will ONLY be viewed as 2nd car/commuter car, not as a only car, a car that’s viable for single-car households.

    1. Christof says:

      Oh, and the colors options are B-O-R-I-N-G. The LEAF should have at least one interesting/’out there’ color — metallic forest green, yellow etc.

  53. ClarksonCote says:

    People seem excited at this 25% increase. I hope that means people will be even more excited at the Volt’s 30% increase in range and decrease in price.

    1. Sublime says:

      Volt needed a 25% increase in seating, it got 12.5% 🙂

    2. evnow says:

      The difference is that – Volt’s increase is for Gen 2. This 25% increase is just for MY16. The expectation is Gen 2 Leaf will double the range.

    3. Brian says:

      You crack me up. Just couldn’t resist bringing this back to the Volt 😉

      Something tells me that as excited InsideEVs’ readers are about this 30kWh Leaf, the general public will be far more interested in the new Volt. In fact, I see the second gen Volt as the major driver of this improvement. Without increasing range to three digits, the 2016 Leaf wouldn’t stand a chance against the 2016 Volt.

      1. evnow says:

        Few Volt fans gave Leaf ’11 a chance against ’11 Volt.

        1. Brian says:

          I don’t know how true that is or is not. I’m just one data point but I’m a huge fan of the Volt yet I drive a leaf. I certainly shopped them both. Plus I was talking about 2016, not 2011.

      2. ClarksonCote says:

        Haha! I couldn’t resist, true. Plus, this is easily the longest “force-held” article on the top position on the Inside EV’s site ever, so what the heck, might as well keep the commenting going. 😉

  54. Anderlan says:



  55. I hope that in addition to a higher capacity battery, that Nissan works hard to lower the Cd of the Leaf. If they can drop it to 0.25 or lower, then the range could increase another 10-20 miles.

    They hopefully will come out with a robust direct heating windshield defroster, and I hope they go to only heat pumps in all the models.

  56. Assaf says:

    I’m Comment #266!

  57. Pedro says:

    If this is true is great news, upgrade from LMO to NMC. NMC lasts more charge/discharge cycles than LMO.

    I dig up this old news.

  58. John says:

    Great news. Wish it was more and sooner, but it’s good, especially if it’s a step to a 150-200 mile range in the next generation. That is really what I’m waiting for.

    I hope Nissan and other manufacturers are paying attention to coverage like this and the incredible interest any talk of increased range draws. They really need to wake up to how important this is to consumers.

  59. Oscar Teran says:

    Maybe the 2017 LEAF will be as follows:

    – Lowest range model: 30kWh
    – Mid range model: 36kWh
    – High range model: 48kWh

    Maybe by model respectively: S, SV, SL

  60. Leaf says:

    Somebody knows if the new battery is presented in Germany on IAA in September ?

  61. berri jam says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong but this big issue about a 25% increase in capacity that would help you so much. If you turn off your “climate control” button, you get a 20% boost in your miles. This seems different from just turning off your AC. Turning off the AC didn’t get that boost in mile numbers. So if one can figure out how to carry a nice portable heater or cooler, then you can get that extra jump in miles. We’re talking 20 miles! Don’t tell me you folks are already driving without climate control AC/heater?

  62. Electrify Me says:

    I have a 2 yr lease on a 2013 SV in NJ which is due May 2016. I’ve heard about the $5k or $7k incentive Nissan is offering to buy out the lease, but with the buyout at $19k it would still leave $12k at best to buy it out. Last winter I got stuck 2 miles from my house with a completely dead battery, after only driving 65 miles. I know, I should have known, but my point it, 65 miles is not acceptable to me, so I’m not quite sure I’ll be buying out my lease. Considering I can get a Nissan Sentra or Versa that gets 35-40 MPG, at a cost of around $18k, or $200/mo lease, keeping the Leaf would not be economically reasonable, or so it seems at this point, but rather, more a move for the environment. In summary, I’m fairly certain I’ll be returning my Leaf in May. I suppose there is a number where I would buy it out, but I think that number is around $7k, but even at that, I CAN’T be getting stuck on the side of the road in the winter, that is not fun!