2016 Nissan LEAF: 107 Miles EPA Range – Full Specs/Pricing

SEP 10 2015 BY STATIK 253

Nissan has taken the wraps off the 2016 Nissan LEAF, and the company did not disappoint on earlier range expectations as both the SV and SL trims now come equipped with a 30 kWh battery, giving the LEAF 107 miles (172 km) of EPA rated range, as well as a new 8 year/100,000 mile battery warranty.

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2016 Nissan LEAF - Now With 107 Miles Of Range!

2016 Nissan LEAF – Now With 107 Miles Of Range!

The base S trim level still comes with 2015 model year’s 24 kWh battery, good for 84 miles of range.

As for pricing, the base Nissan LEAF remains unchanged at $29,010 (+$850 delivery), while the extra 23 miles found in the SV and SL trims see the prices increase anywhere from $1,600 (SL) to $2,100.

After the federal government’s incentive is factored in, a 107 mile LEAF will set you back at least $26,700 before any dealer or state-level incentives are applied:

* – Nissan LEAF S – $29,010 ($29,010)
* – Nissan LEAF SV – $34,200 ($32,100) – now includes standard quick charging
* – Nissan LEAF SL – $36,790 ($35,170)

 (full spec sheet on the 2016 Nissan LEAF can be found below, all prices +$850 delivery)

Battery Issue? Nissan LEAF 30-kWh Battery Degrades More Rapidly Than 24-kWh Pack

A larger battery also means a greater sweet spot for fast charging, hence all the new 30 kWh LEAFs can now be quick-charged to 80% (from the low battery warning) in about 30 minutes, which nets about 22% more miles of range over that of the base S trim.

Ok, We Admit The 250 Kilometer Range (NEDC) Rating In Europe Certainly Looks Cooler

Ok, We Admit The 250 Kilometer Range (NEDC) Rating In Europe Certainly Looks Cooler

Level 2 charging stays at 6.6 kW and a full charge will set SV and SL LEAFs back about 6 hours, as opposed to 5 hours with the 24 kWh battery.

Internationally: If you happen to reside in Europe, the 2016 Nissan LEAF gets a new 155 mile/250 km rating based on the NEDC system.

Pricing on the longer range Acenta and Tekna trim grades has yet to be announced across all of Europe, but in the UK, the 30 kWh LEAF Acenta starts from £24,490 (OTR with PiCG), and from £26,490 on the 30 kWh Tekna trim level.

2016 Nissan LEAF SV/SL Interior (w/black leather)

2016 Nissan LEAF SV/SL Interior (w/black leather)

2016 Nissan LEAF Interior (beige/cloth)

2016 Nissan LEAF Interior (beige/cloth)

Additionally, the base LEAF (S trim) now comes with a standard 5″ screen (as opposed to the “no screen” console found in the 2015 model), with the 7″ screen in the SV and SL trims continuing in the new 2016 edition.

Nissan says the infotainment and connectivity features have been enhanced and improved for the 2016 model under the standard “Nissan Connect” banner.

A new graphic interface is now found inside the 2016 LEAF, as well as charging screen data that is updated every time the car is put into use.

The Nissan Connect EV telematics systems allows for all the remote connection functions to the vehicle one would expect, but also touts improved voice recognition, and an improved mobile app.

2016 Nissan LEAF New Heads-Up Display Menu

2016 Nissan LEAF New Heads-Up Display Menu

“Audio, entertainment and connectivity upgrades start with the addition of standard NissanConnect with Mobile Apps with 5.0-inch color display for LEAF S models. The system includes Bluetooth® Hands-free Phone System, Streaming audio via Bluetooth®, Hands-free Text Messaging Assistant and USB connection port for iPod® interface and other compatible devices.

2016 LEAF SV and SL grades add standard NissanConnect with Navigation and Mobile Apps–featuring a 7.0-inch color display with multi-touch control, Nissan Voice Recognition for navigation and audio, HD radio, and SiriusXM Travel LinkTM for weather, fuel prices, movie listings, stock info and sports (SiriusXM subscription required, sold separately). The menu screen graphics and customization process have been improved and charging screen information is now automatically updated every time the ignition is turned on and with every 12 miles of driving.”

2016 Nissan LEAF In New Bluw

2016 Nissan LEAF

2016 Nissan LEAF New 30 kWh Battery Module

2016 Nissan LEAF New 30 kWh Battery Module

On the 30 kWh battery itself:

“The new battery offers more advantages than just the 27 percent increase in driving range – it also offers improved battery performance,” said Andrew Speaker, director, Nissan EV Sales & Marketing

The 30 kWh battery resides in the same battery space under the LEAF as the existing 24 kWh pack, and weighs just 46 pounds (21 kg)more.

“Improved electrode material with revised chemistry results in higher power density and enhanced battery durability upon charge and discharge.”

Basically, the introduction of Carbon, Nitrogen and Magnesium to the electrodes improves performance of the cells, while Nissan adds the “change to the cell layout also contributes to the gain“, although we aren’t quite sure how.

As evidence of a growing confidence in the 30 kWh battery’s cell chemistry (and the fact it will now take less battery cycles to go further), Nissan warrants battery loss below 9 bars of capacity (70%), for the first 8 years or 100,000 miles (160,000 km) in the US and in Europe.  The warranty on the S trim stays consistent with that of the 2015 LEAF, at 5 years or 60,000 miles.

As for the actual pack structure, the original 24 kWh battery is made up of 48 modules composed of 4 cells each, for a total of 192 cells. The new 30 kWh battery has double the cells per module (8), but still 192 cells in total.  Nissan once again points to automotive-specific battery formats as a superior commodity.

“Unlike conventional cylindrical batteries, the thin, compact laminated cells offer more flexibility in packaging and design applications.”

New 2016 Nissan LEAF In Forged Bronze Spotted By JP White (via JPWhiteNissanLEAF)

New 2016 Nissan LEAF In Forged Bronze Spotted Earlier This Month (via JPWhiteNissanLEAF)

New 2016 Nissan LEAF Color Palette

New 2016 Nissan LEAF Color Palette

New Colors:

As expected, three colors have been added to the 2016 LEAF lineup, while two have left the building.

* – New Colors: Forged Bronze, Coulis Red and Deep Blue Pearl
* – Deleted Colors: Cayenne Red and Morningsky Blue

Efficiency and Performance:

The entry level LEAF S retains the same 84 miles of range as last year’s model, as well as the 126 MPGe city/108 MPGe highway efficiency rating, which is good for a combined 114 MPGe.   

The LEAF SV/SL with 107 miles of range has a slightly lower city rating than the base model – registering 124 MPGe, and an identical 108 MPGe highway score, which lowers the combined rating slightly to 112 MPGe.

All three trim levels feature the same 107 horsepower and 187 lb-ft of torque output as in the previous model year, while the S trim level has an optional “Charge Package” that upgrades the base model to the same 6.6 kW charging (from 3.6 kW) as well as adding the CHAdeMO fast charging port that comes standard in the SV and SL trims.

2016 Nissan LEAF Now Gains 22% More Miles During A 30 Minute Quick-Charging Session

2016 Nissan LEAF Now Gains 22% More Miles During A 30 Minute Quick-Charging Session

Production and Release date:

The New 2016 Nissan LEAF Takes A Spin In Europe (in Gun Metallic Color)

The New 2016 Nissan LEAF Takes A Spin In Europe (in Gun Metallic Color)

We also took advantage of a chat with Nissan earlier this week to pepper them about when the 2016 Nissan LEAF would be available, but all they would commit to was that the “2016 LEAF will go on sale later this fall“. 

So somewhere between September 23nd and December 31st then Nissan?

Our own sources indicate that 2016 Nissan LEAF production actually began in earnest in August in Smryna, TN, although mid-October seems to be when the ‘sales ball‘ might get rolling for the 2016 LEAF.

For Europe, the new, longer range Nissan LEAF will still be produced at the company’s Sunderlank, UK facility, but sales begin a little later – in January 2016.

New 2016 Nissan LEAF Batteries (both chemistries) Are Made Next Door To Manufacturing Facility In Smyrna, TN

New 2016 Nissan LEAF Batteries (both chemistries) Are Made Next Door To Manufacturing Facility In Smyrna, TN

Nissan LEAF SV and SL Trim Level Also Adds:

2016 Nissan LEAF Standard 17" Tires (SV/SL)

2016 Nissan LEAF Standard 17″ Tires (SV/SL)

* – 2016 Nissan LEAF SV:

  • Quick Charge Port
  • 6.6 kW onboard charger
  • NissanConnect with Navigation and Mobile Apps
  • NissanConnect EV
  • 7.0-inch color display with multi-touch control
  • six-speaker audio system
  • hybrid heater system that provides superior cold weather performance while consuming less energy
  • heated outside mirrors and steering wheel
  • 17-inch aluminum-alloy wheels.

* – 2016 Nissan LEAF SL:

  • photovoltaic solar panel spoiler
  • fog lights
  • LED low beam auto on/off headlights
  • cargo cover
  • HomeLink® Universal Transceiver
  • leather-appointed seats
  • heated rear seats

Just two option packages are now offered: 

* – Quick Charge Package (S grade only) – adds Level 2 6.6 kW onboard charging (deletes 3.6 kW charging) and Quick Charge Port (CHAdemo)

* – Premium Package (SV and SL times) – adds Around View® Monitor and Energy Efficient Series Bose® seven- speaker audio.

Special note to Canadians:

The majority of the changes you see here will also be found on your 2016 Nissan LEAF with a couple of exceptions.

Cold Weather And A Strong US Dollar Is Giving Canadians A Great Deal On The 2016 Nissan LEAF

Cold Weather And A Strong US Dollar Is Giving Canadians A Great Deal On The 2016 Nissan LEAF

You don’t get the “Forged Bronze” color option – which is ok, it is unlikely to be very popular because, well…it’s brown.  You will also be losing the “Glacier White” color option; although isn’t “Pearl White” enough anyway?  But, you do finally get the standard 17″ wheels on the SV, like those of us in the US.

As a special 2016 perk, Canadians don’t have to buy the “Quick Charge” package in the base S trim, because it now comes standard with both 6.6 kW L2 charging, and the quick charge port – although you still will be paying the around $32,000 for the base model (but don’t convert that to US dollars Americans, as that’s only a little over $24k)

Only the black interior is available.

As it is significantly colder on average in Canada than the US, all LEAF models come standard equipped with a heated steering wheel and both heated front and rear seats.

Editor’s Note:  This is not the next generation of the Nissan LEAF, but rather an upgraded version of the last model year of the first generation car.  The all-new, next generation Nissan LEAF (with an estimated 170-200 miles of range) is expected to arrive in Q2 of 2017.

Full 2016 Nissan LEAF specs can be found below:

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2016 Nissan LEAF Specs – Page 1 (click to enlarge)

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Martin
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Just 40lbs more and the same power output means less acceleration though. they could have bumped the kw out of the motor just slightly to make up for it.

Well, its an affordable, popular ev easily achieving a 3 digit epa rating. We should be happy i guess 🙂

jelloslug
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jelloslug

That amount of weight change would not even be measurable from a performance aspect.

ziv
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ziv

40 pounds might cost you 0.04 seconds in a 0-60 mph test. Having a 150 pound person in the same car probably costs around 0.1 seconds.
SWAG.
😉

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Yeah, thanks, ziv. I was gonna point out that an additional 40 lbs. makes no more difference than putting a five-year-old child in the car. The average person ain’t gonna notice the difference in acceleration.

Mister G
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Mister G

An added 40 pounds of battery weight can be offset with 50 pounds of fat loss by an average 4 person family. Time to get fit and drive a Leaf.

Raymondjram
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Raymondjram

If you walked instead of driving, you lose those 40 pounds.

deyermann
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deyermann

I sell electric conversion kits for bicycles and converted e-bikes and lithium batteries…
http://www.ERV1.com at very reasonable prices…so, if you got an EV bike (or trike) that would help you lose weight, while if you got tired, the motor can be twist throttle operated to get you home happily. e-bikes ARE a lot of FUN and they really are something of a consumer sensation these days!!

Brian_Henderson
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Only 10-15 lbs heavier than a model 2011/12 LEAF! Individual driver weight can vary more than this over course of a year. (ie: very minimal differences)

Remember the 2013 LEAF shed ~30 lbs of battery weight.

Eric
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If you are looking for acceleration, you will never find it in a Leaf. The point of the increase battery is more range, not more acceleration. Everything comes at a cost and thrills are not the Leaf’s bag. GT-R? 🙂

Indy95GT
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Indy95GT

Wrong, My Leaf is fast off the line. I typically leave 5 car lengths between any fuelies at the light. The thing is bordering dangerous. I wouldn’t let my kids drive it as a first car. Now with 40 more lbs, I guess I’ll only have 4 car lengths now:)

Aaron
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Have you driven one? Seriously, take a test drive. This car is so much fun.

Robert Simon
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Robert Simon
Hi Eric, After owning a LEAF for the last 6 months I find it is penny powerful compared to my previous gas powered cars. If you put it in regular drive vs eco mode it is a rocket at city driving speeds. You get 100% torque from a stationary position, something no gas car can match (even a really extensive fast one) so you really can take off fast, also including uphill. In fact my biggest issue when I first got it was avoiding a speeding ticket. This is also true on the freeway where it is so quiet at 70 or 75 mph you can easily forget how fast you are driving. A 2013 used model with some of the full warranty left on it is about $12,500 right now, not bad at all given that I am saving $100 a month in gas too. In some states (e.g. Colorado) you can even get a rebate on a used EV from out of state. A new LEAF will come with $7500 from the feds plus state tax rebates up to $6000. Also I am not so worried about the warranty as I would be on a gas car as… Read more »
Stuart22
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Stuart22

It is hard to get excited about this now. Five years ago this is what was promised!

Too expensive, and now – not enough range.

The problem for the Leaf is that the Volt does seem a much better buy. The Volt covers most people’s daily range plus it has a generator which works for any trip, no to mention having superior build quality.

And if you want all electric, the 200 mile Chevy Bolt is due in less than a year at around the same level of price as a 107 mile LEAF!

This is a situation where it pays to wait.

ericonline
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ericonline

Disappointed with the rise in price. If Nissan lowers their current financing incentive from 5000 the price increase is effectively even greater. It’s a much better value getting a base Model S for 70k if you can afford it.

Mr. m
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Mr. m

If you buy the base Leaf, you have no rise in price. If you buy a better trim it makes no sense to compare to base Model S.

Obivously the model S is the better car. It has 3 times the range, but also ~3 times the price (if you use the tax credit, the Leaf is around 22k$, model S around 64k$).

ericonline
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ericonline

Not quite 3 times the price. An SV (to get the 30 kwh battery) would be 35k with delivery, so maybe about 28k after tax credit minus whatever discount you might get. The Model S is 71k, just 63k after tax credit and referral discount.

But the real cost that people don’t consider is depreciation. In 3 years you’ll be lucky to get 10k for the obsolete air cooled Leaf SV. The MS will likely command 40k+. In reality the total cost of ownership of a MS isn’t all that much more than a Leaf SV with a few options and dealer ads (enjoy those Nitrogen filled tires).

Bill
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Bill

Nitrogen filled tires are a joke. The air is 70 percent nitrogen already.

James
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James

Back in the day of hope and change, I remember all the meetings and introductions proclaiming the LEAF was to be a 100 mile range EV. It was kind of like a political campaign. Once in office, expectations were relaxed, and the “100 mile Nissan LEAF” became the 80 mile Nissan LEAF when brand new, and 70 mile Nissan LEAF in a year or two ( unless there are hills on your route, or the weather is not ideal – then it’s the 60 mile Nissan LEAF )…

What endures in my mind about GM is that they overbuilt the Volt and generally under-promised and over-delivered on every point. The 40 mile range proclamation really was 40 miles – and the durability of the Volt is off the charts. The LEAF had major problems in hot and cold climates, yet still survived unscathed. Today, we are supposed to be all excited 4 years later – about an air-cooled LEAF with the range it was supposed to have from the beginning – for a greater cost to the consumer!

Rick Danger
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Rick Danger

Amen!!

GB
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GB

Yep. The 30 KWh Model is little more than a stop-gap placeholder until the 2017 Leaf arrives (whenever that actually occurs).

Tom
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Tom

Yep! Color me unimpressed. I will not be buying another Leaf… And the 4 bar loser warranty is still silly, regardless of how long a duration it is for!

Doggydogworld
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Doggydogworld

“… GM … generally under-promised and over-delivered on every point.”

You’re joking, right? GM promised 40 mile EV range, 50 mpg on gasoline and a price comfortably under 30k. They delivered 35 mile EV range, 37 mpg and $40k+. (They also showed a cool muscle car and delivered something …. not, but that’s a whole ‘nother story).

I agree GM overbuilt the Volt, and to their credit they stuck with it and improved the specs over time. But the original was massively over-promised and under-delivered.

mike w
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+1

bro1999
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bro1999

Worst kept secret in the auto business is finally out of the bag.

mustang_sallad
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mustang_sallad

worst kept secret?? Hardly! It was insideEVs that figured it out, and even then, other outlets have been confusing this 2016 upgrade with the 2nd gen model.

Anon
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Anon

Really hope the second gen model is WAAAAAYYYY more aesthetically pleasing, and kick’s the second gen Volt’s butt in sales. 😀

jj
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jj

Range isn’t that important to me. Depreciation, longevity are. What I REALLY want in 2017 will be a safety package of adaptive radar, lane-change warning… things like that. It’s a jungle out there, and I’m getting older!
But if they don’t have that by then – I’m switching to a different car!

Cavaron
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Cavaron

“The 30 kWh battery resides in the same battery space under the LEAF as the existing 24 kWh pack”

So… upgradeable?

Dave K.
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Dave K.

That’s what they said, if it fits we will sell you one and put it in. Question is how much…

Rightofthepeople
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Wait, when did they say that? As part of this press release or was that a general statement they made previously? I really want to know, as battery upgradeability will be a key factor in my “buy or return” decision at the end of my lease. And, as you pointed out, how much will it cost?

jhm614
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jhm614

It is very exciting to see the capacity increase announced. And to see the corresponding longer capacity warranty to go with it – I didn’t expect that!

Brian
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Brian

I’m a little surprised at the timing of this announcement. I expected them to reveal the 2016 Leaf at the start of NDEW, seeing as they are the official sponsor this year.

Anyway, it’s good to see progress even though none of this is a surprise by now. Except maybe the 5″ screen in the Leaf S. Oh, and NissanConnect can tell us local fuel prices. Thanks, Nissan, just what we need in a Leaf!

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

FINALLY, Nissan has come out with :

A). An honest 100 mile range car.

B). Supposedly, a battery which will lose less ‘bars’ over time.

C). A decent charge rate (6600 watts) for a 30 kwh battery.

People will say its ‘not much’ but I say better late than never. When the new Bolt comes out, unless its a Total Stinker (unlikely), Nissan will have much more pressure on them to come out with something better.

Brian
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Brian

Well, I think it’s a solid improvement. And I’m not one to dig on Nissan for “taking so long”. They had not anticipated the hot-temperature wilting of 2011-2012 Leaf batteries. Dealing with that cost them a solid 2 years of battery development time.

As for competing with the Bolt, it is pretty well known that the 2016 Leaf is NOT the second generation. That car will come out around the same time as the Bolt (maybe before, probably shortly after), and will have a similar price and range to the Bolt. Those two, plus the Model 3, are the serious contenders to eventually replace my 2012 Leaf.

Taser54
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Taser54

C’mon Brian, Nisssan took a risk rolling out the baterry pack without thermal management and failed (for hot regions) with battery bake off.

They knew exactly what they were doing as the prevailing thought was that battery packs required a robust thermal management system (Tesla and GM providing the examples).

It’s a shame that many of Nissan’s customers had to fight Nissan over a poor design.

Brian
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Brian

What is your point? Yes, I know Nissan took a risk. Obviously when they did so, they did not anticipate the results they got. Certainly they knew it was a possibility, but they were hoping that it would just “work out” without TMS or a more robust chemistry. And as a result, they lost 2 years of development time just trying to fix their mistake.

I am in no way defending Nissan in this. I am just saying that, IMO, it seems that it is the cause of the delay for bringing extra capacity / range to the table. And now that they have, I applaud them for it. Time will tell whether the 2015 or 2016 batteries have the same hot-weather issues as the original.

Of course, it’s easy for me to stay level-headed because it does not affect me. I live in a cold climate, and still have all capacity bars after 42 months / 30k miles. I have noticed ~15% range reduction from new, but that could easily be the fact that I replaced the tires with non-LRR tires.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Taser54 said:

“C’mon Brian, Nisssan took a risk rolling out the baterry pack without thermal management and failed (for hot regions) with battery bake off.

“They knew exactly what they were doing…”

You were right the first time. Nissan definitely took a risk there, and arguably they lost, with bad press and having to improve the chemistry of the battery in the 2013 model, for better high-temperature tolerance; an improvement they didn’t advertise or even admit to, because they would have had to admit the original choices were a mistake.

So why would you then go on to say “They knew exactly what they were doing…”? You correctly pointed out that they very clearly didn’t.

Stephen Hodges
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Stephen Hodges

Although I’m suffering a bit from thermal damage (9 bars at 22K miles on a 2011), I would back them trying to keep it simple, rather than the complexity of the plumbing/AC/heating needed in the thermally managed competition. I would bet there are more problems with these. If they can get it stable by chemistry, that’s the way to go

Alonso Perez
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Alonso Perez

Exactly. The long game for Renault-Nissan is to make really cheap electric cars, because to Ghosn the long game is to sell cars in the developing world where the group has even reindtroduced the Datsun brand for its low end offerings.
Even the Tesla Model III will be a sophisticated, expensive car for markets like India or Brazil. The engineering behind the Leaf and Zoe makes much more sense if you understand the global positioning of Renault-Nissan. Ghosn understands that car sales will grow in developing countries but that the planet cannot handle those extra millions of cars if they are ICEs. He thus needs the simplest possible EV technology.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

“I would back them trying to keep it simple, rather than the complexity of the plumbing/AC/heating needed in the thermally managed competition. I would bet there are more problems with these.”

I haven’t read of any problems with Volt’s thermal management system, or with Tesla’s either.

Nissan took the cheap way out, and I find it astonishing that they are still stubbornly sticking to that mistake.

Djoni
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Djoni

Neither almost 95%+ of all the Leaf sold have any degradation problem severe as the one in very hot climate.
It’s a problem, but statistically not that much of a dent.
They still degrade faster IMO than Tesla or Volt, but it might have more to do with bigger pack(Tesla) and much more buffer in place to eat the degradation (Volt)
So a 30 kWh pack would probably degrade less and that without counting better chemistry.

Hector
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Hector

GM made the upgrade, good.
Nissan made the upgrade, not bad.
who is next?

Who will be the one how offers 40kWh first at a competitive price?

RexxSee
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RexxSee

They move like snails…

kdawg
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Are these the new LG batteries? Where are they made?

GeorgeS
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GeorgeS

My question as well. Seems like if LG moved into Smyrna battery factory we would know by now.

Mr. m
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Mr. m

Cool. Upgradeable?

Between 2000 and 1500 $ / 6 kWh => 250-333 $/kWh retail. Cool.

Hey Nissan, good job.

GeorgeS
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GeorgeS

Oh I don’t know. It’s the same price as a Volt. The Volt seems like a better deal for the same money.

The flip side is that it seems like Nissan has some decent lease deals. I wish we had more details on lease numbers.

Brian
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Brian

Depends on your needs. For many, the Leaf will still be a better fit. But I do suspect that the 2017 Volt will outsell the 2016 Leaf by a wide margin.

Assaf
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time will tell…

But hopefully this time around both marketing teams treat it as a win-win, realizing that the bigger prize is the ordinary uninitiated or partly-initiated consumer out there, rather than poach “EV people” off of each other.

Nate
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Nate

I agree time will tell. I think the Leaf is the best reasonably priced BEV and the Volt the best reasonably priced PHEV. If there is a major difference it will come down to being able to supply inventory, and perhaps marketing. I think Nissan has done a better job of marketing the Leaf than GM has for the Volt (which isn’t saying much). If GM is able to turn that around I think it could help the Volt pull ahead. Some people are surprised to hear that despite how much driving we do most days our Volt doesn’t use any gas, and others are surprised that we take it on longer trips without needing to charge it along the way. Most of these people are successful and pretty smart, but they just don’t happen to follow the car industry and have some misconceptions about the Volt and/or Leaf.

Bill
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Bill

Question: What happens when you start up a Volt on a cold morning. Isn’t the engine needed to create heat for the cabin?

Nate
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Nate
There is a setting that you can change that from occurring from cold to very cold. I forget what the exact temps that represents, and if I have changed mine from the default. It hasn’t gotten cold enough where I live (Portland, OR) for that to happen since I’ve had the car. The daytime highs in the winter here are by no means toasty, but the low temp isn’t very low. I’m at USDA climate zone 8b, which means the low temps in winter are higher here than Dallas or Atlanta. http://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/PHZMWeb/ So, I’m a little lucky to be living in a good place for plug-ins. I’d have little hesitation buying a used Leaf in terms of the battery if it was a local car. Our car sleeps in an attached garage too. If it did come on to help heat the cabin faster, I really wouldn’t care. I hope we have a colder winter this year so I can see this feature in action, as it will be the our last full winter before the lease ends. If I were in a colder climate and it happened everyday, maybe I would not like that feature. For people doing frequent… Read more »
KenZ
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KenZ

Yeah, I think you are both correct in that the Volt is, for MOST people, a better deal since you get your long distance car and your short EV commuter in one.

For me, I’m looking at the new leaf though; we have a Volt now, but my new commute next year will be 32 miles each way. That’s cutting it pretty close in the current Leaf, and is a gas sucker in the Volt… even the new Volt.

kdawg
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What’s your climate like? Do you commute at less than 70mph? You may be able to squeak 64 miles out of the Gen2 Volt daily.

BraveLilToaster
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BraveLilToaster

Oh definitely. The guy I carpool with would save a lot of money driving a Leaf, because he covers 125 km a day just commuting. If you try doing that in a Volt without charging at work (which isn’t currently possible) then he’d be paying about $1000 a year more in gas over the $400 a year in electricity he’d pay with a Leaf. He’d barely be saving any money over a new Civic.

Of course, he currently drives an older Acura CL, so his fuel savings would be quite dramatic.

David
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David

I doubt the Volt will outsell the LEAF. It hasn’t since Nissan moved manufacturing to the states in early 2013.

The Volt is has too cramped an interior with a battery in the cabin. If GM made a CUV with the range of the Volt and battery under the car, it would be a different story. We’ll see what they mess up with the Bolt. If its as it appears, the Bolt should do very well.

kdawg
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That is also when Georgia sales blew up for the Leaf too. W/out those subsidies, I don’t think it will do as well. Would love to be proven wrong though.

mr. M
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mr. M

And others, Europe for example have no Volt/Ampera any more. The Leaf fits better than a not available car.

Forever green
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Forever green

It is hard to get excited about this now. Five years ago this is what was promised!

RexxSee
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RexxSee

+1
The same song, too expensive, not enough range and little availability.

Benz
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Benz

Nissan LEAF SV – $34,200
With 30 kWh battery pack
Warranty: 8 years or 100,000 miles

That’s a good offer.

Jeff Songster
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Jeff Songster

I agree… I am glad they finally released this. Hopefully it will keep LEAF sustained until LEAF2.

Love my 2 LEAFs… 2013 and 2015… 35k of mostly rooftop solar powered driving.

Tony Williams
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The 8 yr / 100,000 mile warranty is actually a requirement in California and other CARB states. Nothing new.

I suspect the “real” warranty, for degradation, is still 5 yr / 60,000 miles.

kubel
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kubel

Spec sheet disagrees.

Lou Grinzo
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Lou Grinzo

Reading this story, I am, for perhaps the 10,000th time, struck by deja vu. I’ve lived through this once already, in the form of the early days of PCs, when enthusiasts would agonize over ever detail of MHz, KB and MB, graphics resolution, etc. We were so anxious to get the system we really wanted that we were blind to the stunning rate of progress and the sheer wonder of what was unfolding around us. I think we plugheads are often guilty of the same sort of myopia.

But to the post at hand — I’m a bit disappointed in the pricing. I really thought we’d see a drop in the price of the S model, to reflect the difference in range between it and the SV and SL levels. I’m guessing that Nissan will end their seemingless endless promotions on the Leaf (except for 2015s, obviously), which means the 2016s are effectively quite a bit more expensive, as someone else pointed out above.

Oh well… time to install that spiffy new Hayes 300 baud modem in my EV…

GeorgeS
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GeorgeS

This is the article I’ve been waiting for. Now I must read it 🙂

GeorgeS
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GeorgeS

OK I read it. I’m disappointed in the price. You can buy a gen 2 Volt for the same money.

I will wait and see what kind of lease deals come along. If they offer a decent lease deal I may get one.

JP White
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Certainly if the LEAF 2.0 is only a few years away a lease seems to make more sense.

Londo Bell
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Londo Bell

Not exactly an apple to apple comparison, with a base Volt vs middle trim LEAF?

You get a bigger battery with a tad over 2X electric miles too on the 2016 LEAF!

That’s not to mention the higher rebate amount in various states for BEV vs PHEV.

Unfortunately, you don’t get the bonus ICE on the Volt though, for the price of the LEAF…

Dragon
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Dragon

I wouldn’t call the ICE a bonus. Its weight drags down your electric range and its complexity adds to maintenance costs. I can see getting a Volt in a single-car household, but if you own two cars, a Leaf and a high-mpg ICE makes more sense than a Volt.

Nate
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Nate
>>”a Leaf and a high-mpg ICE makes more sense than a Volt.” Not always because not everyone’s usage is the same. Some people have more variability day to day / season to season. Needs differ for different households. Also, if you have a need for a larger vehicle in your household, neither the Leaf or the Volt fit that need so your second car won’t be high mpg ICE it will be a low mpg ICE. >>”Its weight drags down your electric range” If the range meets your daily driving meets, it meets your daily driving needs. If you don’t usually have days you drive between 40-90 miles without charging, the larger battery adds to weight and cost too. With a PHEV, you can use 100% of it down to 0 instead of needing to need a cushion (or risk calling a tow), so in that sense the ICE increases your true usable range of the battery. >>”adds to maintenance costs” Not much. An EREV or high AER PHEV design the ICE gets little wear and tear. Very few cold starts – fleet average over 80% of trips it is never turned on. That minimizes wear and tear significantly vs.… Read more »
Arpe
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Arpe

Anyone know if they have done anything to improve winter-driving?
Or do I still have to expect a ~30-40% less range during the winter compared to EPA-range?

mr. M
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mr. M

Sure, i’ve driven the new Leaf 2016 two weeks ago in the middle of the winter. Driven 120 miles but at 40mph. Is your question now answered?

*sarcasm off*

Phatcat73
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Phatcat73

As a current Leaf owner, I feel shafted by the new 2016 battery warranty, even though I live in a temperate climate – Chicago. At my current rate my battery would be replaced under the new warranty, but not old. Nissan should retro the warranty for the earlier adopters.

Brian_Henderson
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The upgrade in capacity warranty is purely related to increase number of miles per charging cycle.

Example: odometer reading after 1000 full charging cycles :
– 24 kWh pack, 83 miles = 83,000 miles
– 30 kWh pack, 107 miles = 107,000 miles
(can assume 70% of original capacity after 1000 cycles, but math is a bit more complex … but conclusion is similar)

With fewer full charging cycles for the same odometer reading, a 30 kWh pack degrades at much slower rate.

MasiGuy
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8 year 100,000 mile battery warranty is big news, does anyone else offer a capacity warranty yet?

And 30-40% lower winter driving range sounds like you’re cranking the cabin heat or have an older LEAF. 2014s and 15s don’t drop their mileage nearly as much as 12s or 11s…

Bailey
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Bailey

Kia Soul EV does

Larry
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Larry

When will the Soul go nationwide? If Nissan won’t allow my 2012 to upgrade to 30kwh battery, I will have to be in the market for a replacement next year. My range continues to plummet, even though the bars lost remains at one. I wonder if Nissan hasn’t pushed a software update to eliminate an accurate reading of capacity.

sakejunkie
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@ Larry,
Your DTE (Distance to Empty) gauge on the far right is displaying based on the calculations relating to your current driving style, and AC drain on the pack. Spend a few days in Eco-mode with slower than normal starts from 0 MPH, lower highway speeds and you should see an improvement in that number. Remember, it calculates remaining range every 500 meters of driving and retains the stats based on the previous driving session.

Carsten
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Carsten

Don’t the carb states require 8 years and 100.000 miles anyway? My 2012 MiEV has the 8yrs/100.000mi warranty.

Art Isbell
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Art Isbell

BMW i3’s battery pack has a capacity warranty (70%, I believe).

Regulus Black
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Regulus Black

“introduction of Carbon, Nitrogen and Magnesium to the electrodes improves performance of the cells”

How do you introduce nitrogen? Nitrogen is a gas.

Jeff N
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Jeff N

Sounds like a load of fertilizer to me!

But seriously Jay, are you sure Nitrogen, Magnesium, and Carbon are the right “NMC” elements that Nissan is using in the battery?

As opposed to Nickel, Manganese, and Cobalt?

Josh
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I am with you, NMC is Nickel, Mag, Cobalt as far as I know.

evnow
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evnow

SV,SL now come with QC as standard. So, effectively no price increase. 30 kWh is a free upgrade.

Sam EV
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Sam EV

Hooray for a range increase!

Is it possible they made safety enhancements to fix the poor small overlap crash test results in the 2015 Leaf?

Ken
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Ken

Did anyone else notice that rear heated seats are only offered on the SL now? That was always a bragging point that that even the cheapest Leaf had a heated steering wheel and heated rear seats. There are alot more expensive cars that dont have those. To be honest, i may have turned the rear seats on twice between 3 Leafs so far.

MarkSTJ
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MarkSTJ

There is one big item that should be considered when comparing a Leaf and a Volt. The volt has a very complicated drive system. Many parts to maintain. The beauty of a Leaf is it’s simplicity of it’s drive train. I will lease a 2016 in April when my 2012 lease is up.(32000 mile and lost 2 bars).

Ocean Railroader
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Ocean Railroader

What I liked about the leaf when I test drove it was it was the best thing to handle the hair trigger stoplights in my area. It also had a lot of power that was like nothing I had driven before. I also liked how the ride felt in it. It also had no trouble getting up to 70 miles on hour on the expressway.

The only thing I didn’t like about it was when I started driving it the range started at 45 miles left but then dropped to 20 miles after only two miles of driving though.

DonC
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DonC

I think this is a milestone. A 107 miles of electric range is way way better than 75 miles. You will run into days when 75 wasn’t be enough but 100+ would be. (The 200+ days are for a different vehicle). Lease prices should also be decent, at least down the line, and Nissan seems to have addressed the fade battery issue.

The problem for the Leaf is that the Volt does seem a much better buy. You get half the range plus a generator which works for any trip, and the build quality of the two cars are not comparable. And if you want all electric, the 200 mile Bolt is on the horizon for not a lot more money.

But if the lease terms are good it would be cheap and reliable transportation until you can get something better. Nobody does “cheap” better than Nissan.

kdawg
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Seems like Nissan would just discontinue the 75 mile range Leaf.

kubel
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kubel

There’s a business case for maintaining it. They have to continue production of batteries for warranty claims on 2011-2015. Might as well make that the base battery on future models.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

If the new batteries from LG Chem are as much cheaper per kWh as I think, then it makes sense for Nissan to eventually upgrade all their battery packs to save money, even on the replacement packs for existing Leafs.

But doing so depends on availability. With a rapidly lengthening list of customers competing for LG Chem’s new battery cells, it would make sense for Nissan to license the tech and put it into production themselves, ensuring their own supply. In fact, there was an announcement just a few months ago that Nissan had made some sort of agreement with LG Chem. They were quite vague about the details of the agreement, but hopefully it does include licensing the LG Chem battery chemistry tech so Nissan can build their own cheaper cells.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Edit: Actually the reported deal was between Renault and LG Chem. But Nissan and Renault are partners, so perhaps…

Josh
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I bet the 30 kWh is the base for Gen 2.

Brian_Henderson
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There is a case for urban driving, or older drives that go fewer miles annually.

Think of lower range entry LEAF like a 16 GB phone, which remains popular with many customers not needing full performance. Advanced users usually pick the 64 GB, or 128 GB model. 😉

Robb Stark
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Robb Stark

NO doubt there is some demand for sub 100 mile BEVs that are more efficient than 200 plus mile BEVs.

Is it large enough to be profitable at the price point these customers expect for a “city vehicle”?

Stuart22
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Stuart22

“As for pricing, the base Nissan LEAF (S) remains unchanged at $29,010, while the extra 23 miles found in the SV and SL trims see the prices increase anywhere from $1,600 to $2,100.

After the federal government’s incentive is factored in, a 107 mile LEAF will set you back at least $26,700 before any dealer or state-level incentives are applied:

* – Nissan LEAF S – $29,010 ($29,010)
* – Nissan LEAF SV – $34,200 ($32,100) – now includes standard quick charging
* – Nissan LEAF SL – $36,790 ($35,170)”

Uh, I’m confused. First it says upgrade prices go up anywhere from $1600 to $2100….. then SL pricing is listed at $35,170 – a whopping $6,160 MORE than the base model.

Stuart22
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Stuart22

EDIT – I get it now. New vs. Old pricing.

MasiGuy
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Hey, hey, no need to make “cheap” shots, lets keep this civil:-)

Bolt will be brand new model with probably teething issues, whereas the LEAF has been driven in the real world for 5 years. May the Bolt succeed because it will make EVs all the more main stream.

Anyone notice the MY16 base S is now getting the hybrid heater which will improve winter range noticeably, another bid step forward!

Matt
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Matt

mmmmnope, the S still does not have the hybrid heater. Clearly says it is added in the SV in the article and the specs. However, they deleted heated steering wheel from the S, and heated rear seats from S & SV. That’s very disappointing (I am in WI and those features are a must). Northern USA should get that same “base” cold weather spec that the new Canadian model apparently gets :-P.

pk
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pk

Indeed. Some Northern States are more North than parts of Canada.

Brian
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Brian

Strike that – many US states extend farther north than the southern point of Canada. Even here in Syracuse, NY, if I travel due west, I will hit Canada.

Ernie Dunbar
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Ernie Dunbar

No, he means that North Dakota has a colder climate than either coast of Canada.

Mark c.
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Mark c.

I don’t read it that way. On page 3 of the spec sheet it shows the hybrid heater as standard on the SV & SL. It just has a dash in the S model column. I say it’s not availableon the S.

Josh
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Bolt is still smaller and 4 seat. Leaf has an advantage over Bolt and Volt on size (and name confusion).

Ambulator
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Ambulator

Is it? I have assumed it seats five, but I haven’t seen any official information on that.

Josh
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At least at concept it was definitively 4 seats. It is the Sonic platform, which comes with 5 seats, so maybe that will change.


https://transportevolved.com/2015/01/15/five-things-know-chevrolet-bolt-concept-car/

Assaf
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Thanks Jay, you guys nailed it!

I like this battery-warranty increase. That ought to shut up many anti-EV mouths.

Judging by recent Leaf press/release behavior from Nissan, I assume that now they have the volume to meet the demand needs they expect in the first wave of orders through the end of 2015.

Or not…

kubel
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kubel

107 mile EPA range.
64 mile winter range.
75 miles EOL range.
45 mile EOL + winter range.

Insufficient.

John Doe
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John Doe

Thanks for adding km too. 🙂

107 miles (172 km) is not bad but, at this point, I’m not sure that 2017 model will reach 200 miles…
They will try for sure to get some more range by improving the motor efficiency too, like Zoe.

Liked the 8 year 100,000 mile battery warranty.

Brian
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Brian

FWIW, the next Leaf will not have the constraint of the size/shape of the current battery box. The container could easily be doubled in size, giving enough room for a 60kWh battery. Of course then you need to consider both weight and cost. But I don’t think it’s fair to say “hmm, in 5 years, they increased by 25%, no way could they then double in 2 more years”

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Sure. The Tesla Model S and BMW i3 both use a “skateboard” design, with the battery pack flat and spread out underneath the floor of the passenger cabin. Hopefully that will be the configuration for the Leaf 2.0.

It’s disappointing that GM didn’t switch to that configuration for the Volt 2.0, and still has the problem with the T-shaped battery pack intruding into the floor of the passenger cabin.

bro1999
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bro1999

So the 2016 Leaf with the bigger battery starts at $34,200….we know the ’17 Bolt EV will start “around” $37k. Let’ assume the Bolt will have an EPA-rated 205 mile range. So Nissan is coming out with a 200 mile Gen 2 Leaf within the next 2 years that will be competitive with the Bolt? Which would mean that it would only be a few thousand more than the now 107 mile Leaf. Numbers don’t seem to be adding up for me. That will be one helluva coup if Nissan can come out with a 200 mile Leaf that hits the $37k price point.

Londo Bell
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Londo Bell

A lot of assumptions in your comment, which you seemed to have turned them into “facts:”

– there’s no actual confirmation that there will be a “17” Bolt. Sure, there are test mules and plans, but to say it is a definite is a stretch. Latest Volt situation is a perfect example.
– $37K sale price is not “confirmed” either, unless you’ve a crystal ball. Again, Volt is a perfect example (on how the price point were missed several times).
– 205 mile range is NOT EPA-rated. There is no epa rated mileage on an non-existence (for sale to public) vehicle.
– Bolt is a limited production vehicle, vs LEAF which is sold worldwide. This has huge impact in terms of pricing.
– There is NO INFO on what is being offered for the Bolt at the estimated $37K price point.

Thus, to say that it will be one helluva coup for Nissan to come out with Gen 2 LEAF at a price point and a certain range against Bolt is too premature currently.

Counter-Strike Cat
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You will need to add many extras to the cheapest Bolt to reach the Leaf SV level.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

bro1999

“Numbers don’t seem to be adding up for me.”

Even assuming your many assumptions are all correct, which is rather unlikely, I think you have failed to take into account that Nissan will almost certainly be using LG Chem’s new battery chemistry in its battery packs; a chemistry which is almost certainly significantly cheaper per kWh.

The plans for nominally “200 mile” EVs from GM and Nissan coincide with a claim for LG Chem that it has developed a “200 mile battery”. Of course, the latter is a meaningless statement taken by itself; batteries can’t go 200 miles or even one inch by themselves, it’s the car that may or may not go 200 miles. But altho nobody has talked about the details, it seems reasonably clear that LG Chem has commercialized a tech which enables them to sell battery cells at an appreciably lower per-kWh price.

MTN Ranger
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MTN Ranger

Considering Nissan’s increase in price to match the increase in battery size, a 40-50kW Leaf will be roughly $40k. I’m betting the Bolt beats it in price.

Josh
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This is a great upgrade on the LEAF. And it will probably hit Texas before the Volt 2.0 now.

I have been sitting on the sidelines waiting since my 2011 LEAF lease ended. I will have to drive both of these and see if I pull the trigger.

It is real tempting to wait for the LEAF 2.0 redesign, VoltUV, or Model 3. 2 year lease would be good, except in Texas you pay full MSRP sales tax on a lease, making the 2 year deal pretty poor.

Looks like another 6 months of waiting for me (at a minimum).

Ocean Railroader
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Ocean Railroader

This is good but I predict a 30% raise in Leaf sales over the existing leaf sales in 2016. The reason why is this new upgraded leaf will allow people with range needs that are sitting on the boarder line. A example is someone who has a 70 mile round trip with no at work charging.

But the good news is the guy in that leaf mega commuter story who drives a 110 miles one way in a Nissan leaf to work. He would technically not have to stop for a extra quick charger session on the way to work or back from work.

Counter-Strike Cat
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Tesla: 3000$ for 5 kWh more
Nissan: 1620$ for 6 kWh more

Ocean Railroader
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Ocean Railroader

It does sound like Tesla is making hard profit off of that upgrade. But the reality is Tesla’s upgrade is somewhat unnecessary in that the car already has a 200 mile plus range. While the Nissan leaf upgrade can make or break a 80 mile long car trip.

GeorgeS
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GeorgeS

Tesla= 70K for 70 kwh
Nissan 35K for 30

2 times the price buys 2.3 times the kwh’s

mr. M
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mr. M

Yes but 28k to 63k after tax crédit sounds different.

ericonline
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ericonline

Until you consider the Leaf SV will depreciate to 10k in 3 years.

Josh
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They had to build the pack for Model X, so why not make some extra value on it with S.

The people loading up a performance model will hardly notice the cost. For some people that are really anxious about range will get a little extra security. Remember that the 5 useable kWh upgrade is about 25% of the total range of the original LEAF.

Fabian
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Fabian

This 107 mile Leaf range is not a good offering. The current Kia Soul EV matches or beats this already for the money.

Onward to the Bolt w/ 200 miles which I will gladly pay a premium for. Sorry Nissan, you got pwned.

kubel
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kubel

I like the Soul EV, but I disagree that Soul EV matches or beats LEAF range, even if you compare the cheaper cost of the Soul EV.

Soul EV:
104 City
93 Average
84 Highway

2016 LEAF SV/SL:
111 City (assuming 21% increase)
107 Average (21% increase over 2015)
102 Highway (assuming 21% increase)

That makes the LEAF average range 13% better than the Soul EV.

Soul EVe trim starts at $31,950. LEAF SV trim starts at $34,200. Soul EV is cheaper at a 7% difference. So you pay 7% more for a LEAF and get 13% more range.

LEAF is a better value if you’re just looking at the average battery range- especially highway range.

Andrew
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Andrew

The Soul EV is tested by the EPA at 90% SOC for range ratings as it has 80% and 100% charge modes.

Nissan removed its 80% charge mode to game the EPA range ratings, hence the magic bump from 75 to 84 miles or range for the 2014 model year and newer Leafs.

At 100% SOC the Soul EV has 103 miles of EPA range.

jhm614
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jhm614

One big difference – it might be hard to buy that Kia. They are available nationwide but they are only selling about 100 per month. That’s not because they can’t sell more, it’s because they don’t want to sell more (yet). Not sure if they are still ramping up or if it’s a really a compliance car or what. Nissan, on the other hand, is trying to sell as many Leafs as they can. They sell 10 to 20 times Leafs as Soul Evs per month.

kubel
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kubel

Soul EV is limited to California, Georgia, Texas, Oregon, Washington, and Hawaii. The cheapest EV-e trim is only available in California, and sacrifices a heat pump, battery heater, navigation, and backup camera- all standard on the SV.

The next trim starts at $34,775, more expensive than the LEAF SV, but is more equally equipped.

I really do like the Soul EV, but the mid-range trim doesn’t represent a better value than the LEAF SV, IMHO.

The only advantage I can see is a marginally better warranty (10 years instead of 8, but that’s kind of irrelevant unless you drive 10,000 miles per year), better cargo capacity with seats down (worse with seats up).

Timy
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Timy

Kia is a compliance car while Nissan is the leader. Production of Soul EV is a joke. They produce hundred of thousands gasoline Souls but are not able to produce 5000 Soul EV in one year.

dan
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dan
@Fabian I actually like the Kia Soul EV, but there’s so much wrong with your post (people still used ‘pwned’?), I had to say something. 1) The Kia Soul EV has an advertsed 93 mile range (EPA). We can agree that 107 > 93, right? 2) Plenty of LEAF drivers have exceeded 100 miles with their 24kWh pack. 3) Are manufacturers not allowed to improve anymore? The Soul EV arrived years after the LEAF, using your logic, Kia got ‘pwned’ for being so late to the market, even the now-discontinued Toyota RAV4 EV does more than 93 miles. 4) If you are more than willing to pay a premium for 200 miles, no need to wait for the Bolt, A base Model S 70 will do the job (and great deals can be had on a CPO). 5) The LEAF offers unique features such as LED headlights and All Around View. 6) The Nissan LEAF is more efficient (since you like specs). 7) The biggest issue with your post: the world is larger than the Bay Area. It’s almost impossible to get the Soul EV outside the Bay Area, not to mention, production is still very limited. Nissan (and Kia… Read more »
Fabian
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Fabian

I have seen more than one reporter comment on how they got ~110 miles out of a KIA Soul without hypermileing.. One of them was our very own Fully Charged host.

The Bolt is set to hit our California shores in Q4 2016, and that is about 12 months away. We know the price tag will be about 41k after taxes for a 200 mile range car. GM has always under promised and over delivered on its EVs. They would get a lot of bad press if their Bolt did not get at least 190 real miles.

A new leaf at this time with anything under 120-140 real miles is not a good achievement in my opinion, or it should be cheaper or the same in price. I know 2 persons with 50k mile Leafs which are now only getting 45-50 miles range, which was once ~85 miles for the same commute, which is a ridiculous loss.

Lastly, paying a premium on a 30k car is something like 10-15k more; not the 80k which is costs get get into a Model S. Love the Model S, but it is in a different category.

Londo Bell
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Londo Bell

@Fabian,

Going to rain on your parade – strongly advise you to read a few comments below yours to see how GM did actually over promised and under-delivered – SEVERAL TIMES – with the Volt.

In fact, some count the current Volt Gen 2 roll out fiasco as the latest example.

kubel
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kubel

I can get 26mpg out of my Crown Vic. That doesn’t mean it gets better gas mileage than a Taurus.

Put the same driver behind the wheel of both cars, and you’ll get more range out of the LEAF every time. It’s clearly superior in every way.

David
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David

Early impressions aren’t as positive as I would have hoped.

Price increase – not good.

30kwh battery can’t be used in older LEAFs. I don’t understand this thinking. That is going to hurt the brand and further hurt resale value on the LEAF.

Rear heated seats, LED and auto headlights are now only available with leather in the SL.

Range increase isn’t as much as I hoped. 110 sounds so much better somehow.

I’m putting my money down on the Tesla 3 when preorders start next year. Whatever Tesla comes out with will be killer. I’m not sure what to do until then.

Gunnar
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Gunnar

Fantastic to see an electric car with a reasonable price-tag!!! I am shopping for one, but I can not drive a car so strange looking – with weird stunted proportions. I am still looking for a “good looking” ev car…!???!!

Speculawyer
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Speculawyer

Nice. It is not the 200+ miles that people want but they’ve also kept the price down. And going from 83 to 107 miles really is a big deal. At least it sure would be big for me because it would put trips to nearby cities within easy reach without requiring charging.

Speculawyer
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Speculawyer

$1600 more to get 6KWH more battery?

$1600/6KWH = $266.67/KWH . . . It would seem foolish not to get that additional battery.

arne-nl
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arne-nl

Yeah, I wish they would offer another 6 kWh extra for $ 1600 and get 130 mile range.

Brian
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Brian

I’m absolutely shocked to see so many comments here about the Bolt and 200 mile BEVs, when those are all ~1.5-2 years off. I thought most readers here would be “in the know” that Nissan will also have a 150-200 mile Leaf at that time. This 30kWh Leaf is just a stop-gap, not a Bolt competitor.

What this means is that many people will be blown away when the Leaf 2.0 actually does get announced in another year and a half or so.

anthony
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anthony

I’m already getting close to 100 miles on my 2015 Nissan Leaf SL. My first gen leaf would only get 70. My round trip from work was 64 so the 2015 was much improved battery chemistry/density wise.

AlanSqB
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AlanSqB

I think we got a taste of the special sauce in the ’15s. I seem to get much better range than others I have talked to with earlier MYs. Just hope it holds out with no bars lost for 1.5 more years until the 3 year lease is up.

Mister G
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Mister G

Bye bye 2012 Leaf hello 2016 Leaf

GeorgeS
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GeorgeS

Any of you guys familiar with sweet Leaf lease deals on earlier models want to speculate on what kind of decent lease deals Nissan might offer on the 30 kwh SV?

James
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James

Back in the day of hope and change, I remember all the meetings and introductions proclaiming the LEAF was to be a 100 mile range EV. It was kind of like a political campaign. Once in office, expectations were relaxed, and the “100 mile Nissan LEAF” became the 80 mile Nissan LEAF when brand new, and 70 mile Nissan LEAF in a year or two ( unless there are hills on your route, or the weather is not ideal – then it’s the 60 mile Nissan LEAF )…

What endures in my mind about GM is that they overbuilt the Volt and generally under-promised and over-delivered on every point. The 40 mile range proclamation really was 40 miles – and the durability of the Volt is off the charts. The LEAF had major problems in hot and cold climates, yet still survived unscathed. Today, we are supposed to be all excited 4 years later – about an air-cooled LEAF with the range it was supposed to have from the beginning – for a greater cost to the consumer!

kubel
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kubel

To be fair, the Volt was pitched as a series hybrid with 40 miles of range and a bold design utilizing a new 1.0L genset.

We got a parallel-series hybrid with 35 miles of range (later squeezed 38 miles out of it) and a less bold design using an 1.4L that dates back to the mid-90s.

In all ways that matter, the Volt didn’t live up to the original hype. That’s not to say the Volt wasn’t an over-engineered marvel, and that you can’t get more than 35/38 miles out of it, but to say GM under-promised and over-delivered isn’t accurate.

GeorgeS
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GeorgeS

James,
I was around during those times also. I can remember being disappointed that GM missed their targets. As kubel pointed out they missed AER. They also missed CS mode MPG by a mile. GM was saying close to 50 MPG and they got like 36.

Of course after all my whining about missing their targets it still ended up being a great car.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu
James said: “What endures in my mind about GM is that they overbuilt the Volt and generally under-promised and over-delivered on every point.” The amount of revisionist history practiced by several GM fans — not just one — posting to InsideEVs is absolutely amazing. I don’t think GM “underpromised” on its claim for “230 MPG” for the Volt 1.0. I don’t think GM “overdelivered” on its claim for 40 miles of electric range for the Volt 1.0; the EPA rated it at 35 miles. I don’t think GM deserves any accolades for honest marketing, when they claimed the Volt was a pure serial hybrid, then later lamely claimed they lied “to protect their patents”. Really? In what way did that lie make it easier to patent Voltec? And then even after they admitted the Volt isn’t a pure serial hybrid, they still continued to lie for no discernible reason, claiming there is “no mechanical connection” between the Volt’s gas motor and the wheels. Now, GM deserves much praise for its superior engineering of the Volt 1.0. And it’s nice to see that they’re finally, if belatedly, offering some improvements in the Volt 2.0, improving the gas consumption (MPG) and no… Read more »
Jeff N
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Jeff N
Yes. No. I agree that GM’s dissembling was pathetic with regards to series vs series/parallel and whether or not the engine had a mechanical connection to the wheels. I don’t take their patent filing claim at face value either. I tend to suspect that they were unsure if they would be able to design the fancy transmission in time and so perhaps hewed to the series design story in case they had to fall-back on a simpler but less efficient design. Remember that GM was being unusually forthcoming with engineering information and progress reports during the design of the car between its concept reveal in 2007 and first customer delivery in late 2010. If it were an ordinary car model, they would have said nothing until they were all finished and knew it would all work. So, I don’t really blame them for setting series mode as the baseline expectation but I do blame them for weak and confused dissembling when the series/parallel design became apparent in the final product. Some of their tap dancing around the topic was probably due to irrational attitudes regarding the alleged purity of series mode by some plugin advocates. The “230 mpg” thing is… Read more »
Michael
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Michael

Spot on James.. notice here in europe a lot of people have negative opinions about the volt/ampera but actually know very little about the car. I get 50 miles range in the summer .. and in CS mode 50mpg (imperial) overall north of 205 mpg.

gannet
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I like this new Leaf but our experience with buying a new Leaf (2014) from the Nissan dealership was such a haggling nightmare that I don’t want to go through it again!

kubel
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kubel

You’re supposed to do the haggling via email. Bounce offers off other dealerships in the area, and have them compete with themselves until they deliver the best deal. Never step foot into a dealership until you’ve negotiated the price. If they go back on their price, walk out.

GeorgeS
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GeorgeS

Yeh that’s what I did with the Volt. It was a lease deal. I had a spreadsheet of the GM offering before I talked to them. They did not have a clue about the factory lease offering so I had to straighten them out on that over the phone…..but miraculously after that the numbers lined up and it was a go. All numbers agreed on without setting foot on the dealers lot.

I’ve found in many cases just talk to the manager of fleet sales.

Nate
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Nate

Please don’t hold that against Nissan. Their dealers are independently owned businesses. Outside of Tesla, the same thing could happen with other makes.

I agree with the other tips people replied with. Also, if you are replacing a car I recommend taking the effort to sell it yourself instead of trading. Even when they are doing the best they can to earn your business, they have a lot more people that have to get a cut. If they show you what you want for it, they are booking it in for less due to having excess profit in the car you are buying.

Better luck next time.

Kaleb
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Kaleb

I love how people are comparing the 107 mile LEAF to cars that don’t even exist.

I support Nissan’s additional range offering to fill the gap until such time it is cost effective to provide a higher range model.

Seth
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Seth

Still no 3 phase charging for europe, that’s a silly. That’s the best thing about the european grid, easy access to 3 phase for the same price as single phase.

It makes no sense though, the Renault Zoe does have 3 phase charging, so they know what the deal is. Also, the Renault Zoe uses the regen capability of the motor driver for charging the battery, which is really nice from a innovation standpoint, instead of a seperate charger.

Single phase charging needs to go away for europe, really.

A single phase 35A circuit costs the same as a 3x25A circuit. But whilst the 35A single phase only allows for 25A charger installation ~5.7kW, the 3x25A allows for a 3x16A charger installation for 11kW.

It also loads the grid far more evenly then pulling a single phase really hard compared to the rest of neighbourhood. That can cause quite a few NULL lines to go up in smoke.

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland
Well, you have to consider that even all of Europe is not the same: Many British streets have 230/460 volt distribution (only 230 volts in the houses): effectively every other house is in series with each other and it makes the distribution from the utility’s point of view an easy 460 volt problem. They can use 1/4 of the aluminum needed for an equivalent loading in the states or else space the distribution transformers 4 times as far. But in any event, all of this is single phase on the street and three phase, while much more widely available residentially in Britain than in residential areas in the states, still means there are streets without 3 phase available. Other ‘central european’ countries such as mostly electric France, or Germany may have very common 3 phase, and disallow any single phase imballances over 16 or over 20 amps depending on the country. I thought Nissan years ago handled the problem brilliantly: Have 3300 watt single phase charging worldwide, then use a Chademo jack for higher power, usually 3 phase charging. You Have the USA and Canada to blame for muddying the single-phase issue: THe vast majority of public docking stations installed… Read more »
Tony Williams
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Absolutely correct. We have no control over single and three phase availability, and it won’t change any time soon (certainly not in my lifetime).

So, Nissan has the correct charging application that will work worldwide. “Low powered” single phase works worldwide, and “high powered” DC also works everywhere. Yes, they could also offer a third method, three phase AC, but that would only be for niche markets, and not the way a “world car” would be equipped.

The Renault cars aren’t offered in North America, nor would it work very well with three phase AC charging.

Steven
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Steven
So, as a 2015 Leaf SL owner with 10500 miles on the car, who needs the longer range of the 16 model, will it be better to keep the 15 and buy a 30 KW battery from a financial stand point? Will Nissan require a core trade in? Or could we sell our lizard batteries to 11/12 owners who need them? How much will Nissan give us for our Lizard batteries in trade for the 30 KWs? That is, what is the upgrade going to cost? I’m guessing Nissan isn’t going to give owners enough for our used 13/14/15’s to even lease a 16 SV/SL being many of us will be under water on loans on 14s and 15s because of all the lease returns Nissan put out there. What will Nissan do to maintain customer brand loyalty? Where is the savings going electric, if some one buys a used 15 SL for $21000 and one year later is told at trade in time when a more usable range car is available, that his car is only worth $13000? That’s $8000 depreciation of a used car in less than a year. If I had bought a one year old gas… Read more »
Erik
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Erik

Just be glad you didn’t buy a ’12 right before they announced a the major price drop on the ’13s

kubel
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kubel

Those who purchased a 2011/2012 LEAF did so at great risk. I chose to lease to place the risk on Nissan rather than me.

As an early adopter, you still qualify for the $1000 owner loyalty cash towards the purchase or lease of a new Nissan, including the 2016 LEAF. If you signed up for one-to-one rewards, you should have $250 that you can also use towards a new 2016 as well.

As far as battery- Nissan has only an announced pricing on the 2011-2015 pack. There’s no info yet on 2016+.

LEAF_n_PiP
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LEAF_n_PiP

I have 10,200 miles on my 2015 LEAF SV w/LED+QC and am in the same boat. I assumed the 2015+2016 would be the same (since 2011+2012 was one run and 2013+2014 was another), but my prediction was wrong. I would love the 30kWh battery, but I would get eaten alive on a trade-in at this point, and it’s unlikely the 2016 will have decent incentives right off the bat like the 2015s did.

I forgot something at home this morning and had to turn around, doing an extra unexpected 25 miles this morning, so I stopped for a 15 minute QC to get me through the rest of the day (which took me from 29% to 83% while on a phone call). SoCal is having a heat wave right now, and today was the first day my LEAF got up to 8 bars on the temperature display (putting me a bit uneasy since it was the first time I saw that many). However, I did a battery check yesterday and am still at 292 GIDs, so hopefully today’s 8 bar temp reading won’t be too harmful.

JackDFW
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JackDFW

“So, as a 2015 Leaf SL …. Or could we sell our lizard batteries to 11/12 owners who need them? …..”

This could be a great idea… the cost of upgrade could be shared… Both get more range…

Londo Bell
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Londo Bell
Hate to ask, but are you new to purchasing things? There were hardly any retrofit on vehicles between old and new version, in the past. Same for even electronics today – iPhone, laptop, etc. More importantly, not even Tesla can do it for all of its models, afaik. Retrofitting a battery is NOT just about retrofitting a battery, like many have speculated in the business. It involves changes in the software and computer hardware inside the vehicle. There may also be minute changes in hardware such as bracelets, connectors, etc. that make the change extremely difficult. Even for the older LEAF to retrofit the lizard battery, the cost for the job is about $600. Now, the battery itself is about $5000-6000, so you are talking about some $6K or more with taxes and labor. A 11/12 LEAF worths roughly that much btw. Putting a new battery does NOT increase the “value” of the vehicle at all either, in terms of used car prices. In case you don’t know, in the auto business, most vehicles nowadays – non-luxury – are being sold the same way as appliances: you just throw them away when you are done, rather than fixing them to… Read more »
Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Well said.

Those who think a battery upgrade for their BEV will be either easily available or cheap, are in for a rude awakening.

Tesla and the Roadster is definitely an exception. And since Tesla only sold about 2500 Roadsters, it won’t be that big a burden on the company or its service centers.

jim stack
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jim stack

LEAF for LIFE, That’s what the LEAF is if you can replace the battery. An upgrade would be a real added bonus. Almost all the components in the LEAF like the AC motor ,Controller , On board charger should last a very long time. By replacing the battery it can LAST for LIFE, and with ZERO pollution is saves a few lives too.
Just wait until we have some 1 Million mile older electrics that just keep going with hardly any replacement parts. I think the Tesla S will get there first.

Nate
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Nate

Yep. People get their hopes up based on speculation. Not good.

Also, if an upgrade even ends up being available to previous model years, it would be a much higher percentage of the car’s current value compared to a Te$la.

arne-nl
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arne-nl

Uuhm Steven, we all want EV’s to get better and cheaper.

So, Nissan is continuously improving the LEAF, making it a better car with higher range and a lower price. And that is a GOOD thing. Now here you are, complaining that Nissan is destroying your resale value. Typical case of “damned if you do, damned if you don’t”.

You could have realized this before you bought your LEAF. Everybody knows EV technology is improving fast, much faster than ICE vehicles. And yes, that inevitably affects resale value.

Maybe next time you go shopping for a car, go for the old, mature, proven technology and leave cutting edge technology for others. There are risks to being an early adopter.

Tony Williams
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Or just lease the car. No depreciation!!!

Just make your monthly payments, and hand it over at the end.

jzj
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jzj

My 2010 Leaf was rated at 84 mile range and at 100% charge was good for maybe 80 miles at 65 mph on fairly level ground (no AC, no heat). So, a pretty close-to-accurate rating. However, my 2013 RAV4 is rated at 108 mile range but at 100% charge is it good for at least 130 miles under the same conditions. I think the rating system changed (stupidly, to 90% charging) between 2010 and 2013. So, does the 107 mile range estimate for this new Leaf reflect optimism or conservatism? I’d say, with 30KWH, it’s optimistic.

arne-nl
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arne-nl

Was your 2010 LEAF rated at 84 miles? Are you sure?

Afaik the 2010 was rated at 75 miles and the 2013 at 84 and you’re mixing up some numbers.

Tony Williams
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All 24kWh LEAFs will drive about 85-ish miles of range when at 62mph (100km) ground speed on a level, no wind, hard surface roadway with no heater and a NEW condition battery at 70F/20C or above temperatures.

Here the LEAF official government rated range worldwide:

124 miles = 200km Japan “EPA” rating for 2011-2012
142 miles = 228km Japan “EPA” for 2013

109 miles = 175km UK / Euro 2011-2012
124 miles = 199km UK / Euro 2013-2014

Here the LEAF official US government range:

73 miles = EPA-USA 2011-2012 (EPA LA4 “city cycle” @ 19.59mph average, minus 30%)

75 miles = EPA-USA 2013 (EPA “5 cycle”, average of 66 EPA miles range for 80% and 84 EPA miles for 100%)

84 miles = EPA-USA 2014-2015 (EPA “5 cycle” test, 100% charge only)

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The 2012-2014 was never officially offered anywhere except California, USA, so it only has a U.S. government EPA blended rating of 103, based on 92 miles at 80% and 113 miles at 100% charge.

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The actual distance that the two cars can go at 62mph ground speed is:

LEAF – 85 miles (4.0 miles per kWh * 21.3kWh usable)
RAV4 EV – 142 miles (3.4 miles per kWh * 41.8kWh usable)

Rich
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Rich

“hybrid heater system that provides superior cold weather performance while consuming less energy”
Is this something new or are they referring to the heat pump added in 2014 models?

GeorgeS
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GeorgeS

Heat pump AFAIK.
It’s kind of a “must have” for me.

Jim Bo
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Jim Bo

That takes Focus Electric and E Golf off the list.

Mike777
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Mike777

What kind of range does it have at 65 mph on the highway, and at 70 mph on the highway?

Mr. m
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Mr. m

around 25% more than before

kubel
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kubel

Over 100 miles. 🙂

Tony Williams
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Since the 30kWh nearly weighs the same as the 24kWh version, it should do the following at 65mph indicated on the speedometer when the battery is warm and in like new condition, with ZERO heater use:

24kWh LEAF – 85 miles (4.0 miles per kWh * 21.3kWh usable)

30kWh LEAF = 107 miles (4.0 miles per kWh * 26.5kWh usable)

Bob
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Bob

I’m unimpressed. I’ll wait for the Gen 2 Leaf or perhaps the Tesla 3 or 2016 Chevy Volt.

Londo Bell
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Londo Bell

1 thing that seems to be buried with Nissan PR (unspoken so to speak) is the end of the line for Nissan CarWings in US. It seems to be replaced by Nissan Connect EV starting from MY16.

Wonder if InsideEVs can confirm…?