Revealed: 2016 Chevrolet Volt Gets Seating For 5

NOV 21 2014 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 128

2016 Chevy Volt

2016 Chevy Volt (w/some photoshop help for full frontal)

Screen Grab From My Chevrolet Website

Screen Grab From My Chevrolet Website

Whenever an automaker requires the signing of a non-disclosure act, there will be some individuals (typically not members of the media) who break that agreement.

At the 2016 Chevrolet Volt teaser party held at an undisclosed location in the Los Angeles area, General Motors hosted current Volt owners.  This event was off limits to the media, but of course we’re fully aware of how the event unfolded.

General Motors execs pulled back a drape covering the 2016 Volt to reveal part of the plug-in vehicle’s front end.  Pictures were taken and later posted all over the Internet.  Those in attendance were then led into another more private room in groups of 10 (we believe).  No cameras or phones allowed.  The entire vehicle (pre-production form) was shown briefly to those allowed in the “back room.”

The non-disclosure agreement states something along the lines of what was seen and discussed in this “back room” cannot be revealed at this time.

Well, as we stated at the start of this article, the forced signing of a non-disclosure act basically guarantees it will be broken.

From multiple sources who were in that “back room,” we can confirm that the pre-production 2016 Chevy Volt has seating for 5.

2.) Does it have a 5th seat?

Granted, the one they showed was a pre-production version so there might be tweaks – but there was a bench in the back between the two original seats. It looks designed to put an infant/child seat there, but not space for an adult/young adult to sit.

And here’s the seating description from another source who attended the “back room” event:

 “You can sit 3 in the back but the middle person will straddle the hump.”

Those are but 2 examples confirming seating for 5 from the perhaps dozen or so we’ve seen leaked now.

As for other aspects of the 2016 Volt (range & powertrain), here’s some info from one source who was in attendance:

 3.) Will it have more EV range?

Yes and yes. No specifics yet, but yes. More EV range and more gas range likely. I believe people’s speculations around 50 miles EV would not be unreasonable to believe.

4.) Powertrain nerding stuff

More low end torque because of completely redesigned transmission. Both motors power the car even from 0 instead of just one motor! There’s 5 modes of operation… It is a clean sheet design – it does not operate like Gen 1 Volt.

It’s up to you to believe whether or not the shared info is accurate.  We at InsideEVs now fully believe the seating for 5, as we’ve confirmed that intel with multiple sources who were in attendance.  5 adults?  Probably not, but 4 and a child seat seems doable.

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mrenergyczar

The rear bench should help sales. I wonder if the GPS based charging will prevent the engine from coming on when you are less than a certain distance from your home charger….

Bill Howland

Uh, that makes to much sense: I wanted that feature even BEFORE I bought my 2011 Volt. But unfortunately, while i like the old volt, with GM cars there’s always going to be silly “the car is smarter than you are” crap, and I’d bet the new volt is the same way. Basic Corporate arrogance.

Due to the fact their engineering dept REFUESED to talk to me 1 week after purchasing my 2011 VOlt, they had to pay for 2 overnight (and possibly 3) rental cars for me since I didn’t understand what was making my battery go dead, and until I figured it out with no help from them, I used up plenty of warranty dollars.

So, they can have it their way, but their arrogance is costing them profitability, but the short answer is its a practical request to have the ability to prevent engine operation, and since its practical they of course won’t yet you do it.

Open-Mind

I’d rather spend a few pennies on gasoline than risk permanent expensive damage to the lithium battery cells.

Dan

Agreed. It’s hard to make a serious argument as to why the engine shouldn’t come on in such a scenario without nakedly resorting to such reasoning as, “it’ll mess up my EV% stats!”

Eric Cote

If the car is within a mile of home, the amount it would dip into the battery would not exceed the amount it dips into for other events like fast acceleration on a hill after the battery has already been discharged.

With some GPS logic, Chevy could do easily implement this without digging into the battery any deeper than presently. It would save unneeded cold starts on the engine without it ever warming, which would be better for the engine.

Bill Howland

+1

Very Well Put, CC…. If you’ve no doubt noticed the feathers I tend to ruffle, its important to come up with an Iron Clad Reply, which yours was….

kdawg

Yes, it’s all about the cold starts. That is one thing GM’s EREV design has over all the other PHEVs (other than the i3 Rex). 80% of trips do not have any engine starts. The Energi twins or PIP can’t say that.

no comment

but this is the point, the scenario described by clarksoncote is so rate in practice that this rationalizing about how it would be “good” for the engine to not start is a canard — it’s just not a serious argument and is fundamentally an attempt to put a reasonable gloss on what is basically a dumb idea.

Zman

Actually, the Energi has a feature called EV+. Once frequent destinations have been learned it has the capability to remain in electric mode only.

Ziv

I agree with Clarkson, this would be a small improvement that would have discernible effect on battery life.

no comment

this is a stupid suggestion. even if GM could theoretically implement the logic to figure out when you were 1 mile from your destination so that it could inhibit starting the gasoline generator…what possible rational reason would there be for GM to implement such a feature??? not wanting to “mess up your Voltstats” in an idiotic reason.

Bill Howland

I’m glad GM or the SAE or other Great Brain organizations didn’t design the corner gas pump.

Imagine if it worked like many EVSE’s.

“We’re sorry, you can’t pump any gas since the pump is having trouble determining:

(pick one)

1). Whether your tank is empty enough.
2). What is the correct Octane for you engine, which our data base can’t locate either.

3). Whether the HOSE is properly inserted all the way in the tank.

4). Whether the person in front of the pump is over 18 so as not to violate Child Labor Laws.

We’d never want a system where you can just pay for you gas, make your octane selection based on what the HUMAN (heaven forbid) thinks he needs, and the thing just works every time.

If its too easy to refill a gasoline powered car, how would we ever compete with trying to charge an electric car? We’d have to make it even EASIER to allow a person to charge or discharge when they wanted to. And we can’t have that!!

no comment

the thing about this discussion is that the feature that is being requested, dipping into reserve battery charge, IS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED IN THE VOLT. if: a)the battery SOC is below the setpoint value, and b)you are out of gasoline; the Volt will actually allow you to dip into reserve charge to drive a few more miles. so it’s not like there are any technical barriers to implementation of this kind of feature. but this feature is currently implemented FOR EMERGENCY USE ONLY. what people are requesting here is that the feature be implemented for completely frivolous reasons.

Bill Howland

Which Model Volt do you have, No Comment?

no comment

2012; topaz blue, like the Volt shown in the photo: i never understood why GM cancelled that color but i have read that blue cars have lower resale value for some reason…

Bill Howland

The Topaz is a nice color.

Different Volt owners want different things.

Most apparently are OK with a 3300 watt charger, although almost all posters here would like a 6600 watt option (myself included). However, its not the end of the world if we don’t get it.

I personally would like more control over my own car, but then If I buy it I must have deemed that its something I can live without having.

My Roadster is quite nice that way, I have much more control over the inner workings (although not as much as I’d like) in that car than in my Volt. But each car is nice in its own way.

mrenergyczar

About half the time my engine comes on I’m a few hundred yards from home….

pjwood

Becoming typical for me, too. Often, I even step on it to get it to the garage before the warm-up cycle RPMs complete. This may be causing “permanent expensive damage to the lithium battery cells”. 😉

QCO

The addition 10 miles range will make that problem go away for your case….

Dan Hue

Perhaps somewhat, but not entirely. Issue is that when we realize we won’t “make it” on battery alone, we tend to slow down, turn off climate control, etc., which gets us nearer but sometimes just a bit short. 10 extra will alleviate that, but my guess it won’t eliminate the problem. I don’t think cold starts are that damaging overall, since the engine is so little used to begin with, but another issue is pollution, which is much greater before the engine is fully warmed up.

QCO

Not too big an issue on modern fuel injected engines. They burn quite cleanly even when cold. And cold oil isn’t too much of an issue either now that everyone uses thin oils for fuel economy.

I’d say drive it as you need it, unless you are competing for Volt stats.

Eric white

I agree I’m at the gas station once every 4 months. This new design/feature will require me to be at the gas station at least onc

Eric white

I agree I’m at the gas station once every 4 months. This new design/feature will require me to be at the gas station at least once a month. That’s not good.

Open-Mind

I used to program vehicle control software. There is a problem with this rule:

“Never start engine within XX miles from home.:

Although it would be trivial to program, it allows the driver to fully drain the battery if they stay close to home, and GM is liable for any battery damage. GM is playing it very safe … that’s why their software deliberately limits range to 65% of what it could be, and limits power output. If you’re willing to relinquish your 8/100k battery warranty, your Volt could be a 60 mile EV rocket.

MrEnergyCzar

Couldn’t they program it to allow just .5-1 kwh to be used when X miles from home?

Open-Mind

Sure, that would be easy too. But it would also put more wear on the battery cells. It’s important to remember that the Volt is only four years old. Over the next four years, GM will learn how many cells make it through their full eight year warrantee in the real world. If GM was overly cautious, then they may be more open to such changes. And hopefully by then battery chemistry improvements should make the cells less fragile at their low and high charge levels.

I suspect GM was overly cautious. That’s because the Volt was designed while most of the world (especially green people) still hated and despised GM. The negative press was everywhere, and most people thought Volt was a PR stunt. This made GM extra cautious, since the cost of replacing a few batteries would be tiny compared to the firestorm of negative PR if their batteries started failing.

It’s amazing that in just four years, GM has become one of the EV pioneers and Toyota is now mostly ridiculed for their fuel-cell obsession.

Bill Howland

On the one hand, GM has admitted that they’ve opened up the battery a bit for the Caddy ELR since they said they were being too conservative with the volt.

As Clarkson said, an additional .25 – .50 kwh drain isn’t going to hurt anything.

But, the other hand is, its not a super big deal the way the car operates now.

Another interesting bugaboo I see with my 2011 volt is that, if there are 2 miles left on the battery, and you cycle the power switch, it will come back with 0 miles left, and even though you are still 10% green in the battery, you can use maybe 1/4 kwh more and then the engine will start even though the 10% green band is still there. If you had never power cycled it, you’d have more than 2 miles left before the engine would actually start.

This ‘fluke’ may have been corrected with later models.

Clarkson, since you have a newer VOlt and have also had an older one, have you seen any idiosynchrousies that are different between old and new? Thanks.

Da55id

The difference between the Volt and the ELR is the higher list price for the ELR would take care of a great deal more warranty claims than the much lower priced Volt, so they can afford more battery risk and thus allow the powertrain to dig deeper on the ELR

lewl

Does it on my ’14 still.
Made it all the way home (1km) on ‘gas’, but the engine never started.

lewl

Err, maybe I didn’t read that entirely correct 😉
Anyways, there are some quirks that happen when near zero, in all model years.

shawn marshall

the Prius was ridiculed also. Old Man Time is the inexorable arbiter of conflicting presumptions.

no comment

here is the problem; you have to set the set point for the generator to turn on *somewhere*. if you create this 1 mile “buffer” in which the engine will not turn on, what will happen is that you will train your mind to add 1 mile to the displayed range. effectively, you will end up driving to what you perceive to be the range, in which case, you will end up in the same situation that you were before.

i think that a lot of the people who are concerned about this business about the engine turning on close to home don’t really understand the design philosophy of the Volt. i think a lot of you people are planning your drives to the EV range; the point of the Volt is that you don’t have to worry about that – you just drive the Volt the same way that you would drive any other car.

in other words, don’t worry, and don’t over-think your driving, the Volt will get you home: you won’t get stranded.

Grumpy

The 5th drive mode is interesting. Accelerating from zero would require a torque converter and then some sort of gearbox to drive the wheels across a reasonable range of speeds. This really is starting to sound more and more like the current hybrids except the design is more focused towards the EV side. I guess the other option would be using the generator output to supply a larger electric motor. Either way it sounds like the 5th drive mode could add 100 hp/lbs-ft to the total power output. 250 hp and 370 lbft should make for a pretty peppy ride.

David Murray

There would be absolutely NO reason for a torque converter. And I’d venture to say the transmission is NOTHING like any other hybrid.

DonC

One planetary gearset for power split and one for variable input from the engine. You can engage or disengage the connections from the engine and run the motor/generators as motors.

Bill Howland

Guess my dealer was right: I’ve been saying this car will have seating for 3 in the back for the past 3/4 year.

That GPS based charging is not new in the industry.. My 2011 Tesla Roadster anticipates the charge rate through GPS. (basically, cell phone locator).

I always wondered why Tesla didn’t use GPS data in the S to determine whether their 14-50 attachment overheating plug was going bad, in that they could store historical voltage drop data and have the computer look to see if any drops were getting bigger for any given location. As I say, the info needed to do that is in my 2011 roadster.

Taser54

It’s obvious that the Model S was an unfinished product when released. Now, two years later, it has approached the level of quality that it should have possessed when released.

Hopefully, that was the first and last example of Tesla rushing a car into production. Otherwise, the goodwill of the owners will dissolve.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Well, given that it’s the first car they ever developed from scratch, and the significant upgrades they’ve provided owners since delivery (both downloaded and via warranty service), I’m willing to cut Tesla some slack.

Bill Howland

Yeah, that part is of course, true… One could question how they could come up with the defective 14-50 in the first place, but happily they’ve at this rather late date come up with an effective solution, namely, a fusible plug.

Joshua Burstyn

Huh? Our S’ has been as reliable or more than our other cars. CR says their stats indicate avg reliability as well?

John Hansen

HURRAH! No more compromises! Good job GM!

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Well, aside from the slow charging and small formfactor…

John Hansen

To be more specific, no more compromises compared to any conventional compact car.

But yes, if you compare the Volt to a SUV or even a school bus, there are still compromises. 🙂

no comment

you don’t need fast charging with the Volt: it isn’t a BEV.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Yes you do, for opportunity charging and remote starting in inclement conditions. With the larger battery and active cooling, 0.3-0.5C charging up to 240Vx40A should be doable safely and warrantably.

Accord Plugin is 6.6kW, no excuse for GM to have weaker charging than Honda, especially given the larger battery.

MDEV

The end of the kingdom of the ugly Prius is turning bleak……Bravo GM “made in USA”

Jaymac

Don’t hate on the Prius. I personally think my 2012 liftback is quite stylish.

Ziv

Jay, I think the Prius is impressive for what it does. Getting to 50 mpg is not mean feat. I like my Volt better, for a lot of reasons, but I do respect the engineering that has gone into all of the Prii, especially the current one.

DonC

The whole 5th seat question seems a canard. I’d rather have comfortable seating for four than comfortable seating for two, uncomfortable seating for two, and impossible seating for one. But it does check a box.

On the range, they’ve said multiple times that EV range will go up and total range will go up by 12% (same size gas tank). They’ve also said that the three things current Volt owners want is (1) more electric range; (2) more electric range; and (3) more electric range. So you have to think EV range somewhere between 45 and 55 miles and MPG somewhere around 40-42. I think the higher end, maybe 55 EV and 41 MPG. Just a guess.

The design of the new Volt is something of a breakthrough. Much improved and definitely a step up. Nothing really wrong with the first attempt. It managed to look vaguely sporty, but it also looked stubby — which is was. The new one is, as the main post cited says, leaner and sleeker. Apparently it’s been attending yoga classes. Not obviously recognizable as a Volt.

Josh Bryant

Putting a car seat in the middle position is a priority for many families (side impact protection). I am hoping for the back row to have comfortable seating for two adults and just enough room for the car seat base in the middle.

DonC

Looks like you’re going to get what you wanted.

ItsNotAboutTheMoney

Bingo. 2 + 1 in the back could mean not having to replace the car if you have a 3rd child until they’re old enough that you’d be replacing the car anyway. Given that GM’s efficient vehicle line-up is basically (1) The Volt (2) See 1, if they’re serious about the car they can’t just push potential buyers away.

John Hansen

Why would adding a seat back and a seat pad in the middle make either of the outside seats less comfortable? My other car has a seat in the middle, and the side seats are just as comfortable. Other cars also have a fold-down back rest for the middle seat that turns into a cup holder/armrest, so there is ZERO drawback of having a middle seat.

On the very positive side, you can put a child seat in the middle and carry five people. Also, even if you only have one child, most people prefer to put the child in the middle because it’s the safest location in the car.

So there are no drawbacks and there are very real benefits (not just checking a box). Why don’t you want the fifth seat again?

Dan

*Current* Volt owners may want more electric range over all else, but I think *prospective* Volt owners want the price to go down.

I thought the AER was already fine and I’d rather see them keep the same range and lower the price, but that’s me.

abc123

I agree with your 100% Don. I have a family of four and the Volt back seats are perfect. It has the cup holders within arms reach of each passenger and I have the rear seat armrest (with cubby) as well. Perfect for their sunglasses and games. The rear passengers sit as comfortable as the front passengers. My kids have not grown to the point where the headroom or legroom is an issue.

If the MY2016 rear seat is a bench as you say, I’m hoping that the middle seatback folds down like in other cars, which then acts as an armrest and has cupholders. I can compromise on the lack of cubby space.

tedfredrick

I bought a car and put my boys in it to make sure it was big enough. Funny thing is two years later the car had shrunk considerably

no comment

personally, i like the design of the current Volt.

the 5th seat has been a bit of a fetish item among some. it’s not like you are actually going to be able to put 3 adults in the rear seat in *any* car that is the size of the Volt, but the 2 seat configuration *looks” odd and so it is good that GM is introducing a bench for the rear seat.

i personally don’t find the additional 15 miles of range to be particularly impressive, in its own right, it is more reflective of technological advance that allows them to increase range incrementally as the technology advances incrementally. what is more important is that they are able to cost reduce the Volt. after all, you don’t really need to engineer the battery to accommodate 100% of driving scenarios as you would in a BEV.

David

A bench seat straddling the giant hump does not count as a 5th seat. Unfortunate. Will do nothing to improve sales. Hopes of a radically changed interior are dashed. Sounds like the same cramped interior with seating for 4 with possibly a 5th for an infant car seat.

DonC

It counts as fifth seat for many people. The number of seats in cars is frequently fictional. I can’t sit in the back seat of a Model S and it supposedly seats seven. Lots of legroom but the slope of the roof forces my head forward at a most uncomfortable angle. I’d rather sit on a hump.

The slope of the roof wouldn’t be a problem for midgets, but the hump might not be either.

Marginally worse than the hump in a rear drive car like the Mercedes Benz C class, and you don’t hear a lot of complaints about the back seat in that vehicle.

David Murray

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Our Leaf claims to seat 5. But if you try to stick 3 adults in the rear, you are asking for trouble.

John Hollenberg

Disagree. I have had 5 people in my Leaf (3 adults in back) a number of times, no complaints.

kdawg

In China, most cars have seating for 10.

vdiv

Oh, my fat ass has complained alright. Could not get the seat belt on, rode on as a missile ready to be fired through the front windshield luckily only for a few minutes.

Nate

What year? Assaf reported that his 2011 was fine for his family of 5, but his newer one (I think 2014) is compromised.

DonC

I have a Leaf. The back seats are most uncomfortable I wouldn’t think of stuffing five adults back there unless it was an emergency and/or I really didn’t like them.

From what I saw the next generation Volt would work better than the Leaf, even for five. So if you think you have seating for five in the Leaf then we have five seats in the Volt. Personally I don’t think there is seating for five in either car.

pjwood

6′ no problem in back for the Tesla. Where Volt is keeping its hump, its even higher as the interior roofline crests. With a sunroof, there’s even more space. The Volt’s is like too many other rear seats, and if the bench=5 is any indication, the minimal 4″ it needed won’t be coming.

I’d think of Volt1 as a 2+2 coupe, with extra doors, and that about sums it up.

Victor

David,
I have decided to buy the second generation Chevy Volt because it seats five. I have a wife and 3 kids. Two of my kids are four year old twins, they will be 5 in December ( next month). I’ll put the booster seat on that hump and one of them will be comfortable there. I didn’t buy the first generation Chevy Volt because it didn’t have seating for 5. I got the Nissan Leaf instead. The leaf did not fulfill all my transportation needs, but it has served me well. The Volt is what I always wanted. With a 5th seat my family can ride around with me in comfort with no compromises. We will be doing the electric slide!

bro1999

Check out the Bubblebum booster. It’s a super-compact booster seat that is perfect for being the middle carseat in a cramped rear bench setup. I have one and love it. It should allow most people to fit 3 car seats in the back, no matter how small the bench…unless the other 2 seats are gargantuan.

Nate

I was thinking about ordering one of these. On a recent get together with other families we couldn’t fit 3 normal boosters side by side in the third row of a minivan. Also, it would be easy to stash away if you end up taking someone’s kid.

Dan

I presume you’ve seen the back seat of a RWD sedan before?

This should be no different.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

A bench seat straddling the giant hump does not count as a 5th seat.

It sure does, and did for many decades when cars were predominantly RWD. You must be too young to remember being stuck with the hump seat. Or front benches! Before age 20, many of the vehicles in my or my friends’ families were RWD with hump seats.

Sure, it’s suboptimal, but I don’t see GM building an EREV-specific skateboard drivetrain anytime soon, unfortunately. I also don’t see anything that would have me trade my 2013 in early unless I got a good deal from my dealer, and I can hold off until the Model III shows up.

Stuart22

Your hair might turn grey before the Model 3 materializes out of the vapor it resides in now.

kdawg

Based on his post, I’m assuming it’s already gray 🙂

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Well, it started going gray at 22, but at least I still have all of it!

tedfredrick

The average demographic for owners of electric vehicles is a 50 year old white married male. We are all in the same boat

Spec9

Yeah, I don’t understand such sentiment. I had to straddle the hump in the parent’s station wagon while growing up. It is not a big deal.

rick kop

50 miles of range sound nice. Couldn’t care less about rear seating. Never had anyone back there more than 10 minutes anyway. Would really like to see a sporty 2 door.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Would really like to see a sporty 2 door.

Well, one that isn’t at least $25k overpriced, at any rate.

Assaf

Awesome news! That’s the single most important thing they could do to improve sales. Now the Volt squarely belongs in the ‘Family Car’ segment.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Yup, I reckon Volt 2.0 would work fairly well for my folks, if it garners credible 40+ MPG on the highway. They have a Prius c that gets about 42-44mpg highway, and a Volt that could offer better driving dynamics and fully electric driving around town while still getting Prius highway mileage would be something worth trading 2 cars in for them.

kdawg

How would it work for the tax credits, if you bought your parents a Volt? You get the tax credit, but who’s name would be on the title? Transferring cars between members of the family, I don’t believe you have to pay tax (in Michigan).

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

It would likely require paying 2 sets of (registration, sales) taxes, unless I were to buy it and turn around and lease it. Seems way unpractical, and my folks could qualify for the full credit I believe.

kdawg

I don’t this so (at least in Michigan). You could buy it, put your name on the title/registration. Get the tax credit. Then sell it to your parents at whatever amount, and avoid all taxes since its a family member. And get the title/registration swapped.

Alan Campbell

If the Volt can reach 50 EV miles and at least 40mpg in hybrid mode it will do well.

But it seems with an assumed all new platform, that the ‘hump’ issue would have been resolved with a new/revised pack that is flatter.

ItsNotAboutTheMoney

It’s just a matter of priorities. Moar range, lowered the battery a bit. Maybe Volt 3 can have both.

Gene Frenkle

Even the Accord has a hump and limited middle seat. It sounds like GM solved the issue of making the backseat similar to the competition. I think the next Volt will be popular so the next logical step is putting the Volt powertain in a CUV.

Blind Guy

I used to be an advocate for a simple series type set-up for extended range. I can’t wrap my head around how this new transmission works yet, but the genius of getting more torque at lower speeds and more efficiency over-all, all in a smaller package/ lighter weight, well, what’s not to like? I used to be concerned about the clutches in our Volt; but after 2 years, the clutches have performed beautifully! The efficiency gains of this new trans by far will exceed the efficiency of any comparable series generator IMO. PS The increased AER compliments this trans even more.

George Bower

There’s no slip in the clutches. They will never wear out. The Volt syncronises speeds on the 2 sides before engaging the clutch.

Here’s the article and substantiating data.
http://gm-volt.com/2012/02/24/watching-the-volts-4et50-transmission-shift-gears-in-extended-range-mode/

QCO

Although the motor/transmission unit is an all new design with emphasis on cost reduction, it is functionally very similar to the current unit. Same planetary gear set up with motors driving the sun and ring, plus the engine can also drive the ring. Not really a mystery.

See the diagram in the Volt transaxle thread for configuration details. The only potentially open question is whether there is a dry lock up clutch on the engine to help start it.

Anon

Would people freak out if Model III Sedan only seats 4?

kdawg

You were correct at “Would people freak out if”….

Insert any car announcement and behold the freak-out

George Bower

Model 3.
Think we will see it in our lifetime?

kdawg

Depends how old you are (and how good your healthcare is) 😉

Spec9

Yes, some people would. But it is not going to happen. Tesla has no hump, they’ve got the skateboard.

Gene Frenkle

If this car starts at $23k after the tax credit it is simply a no brainer regardless of the price of gasoline. “Fill up” at home, drive the first 40 miles for $1, less maintenance, and if the price of oil goes up and the tax credit gets used up the resale value could be very high!

George Bower

23K???
Are you dreaming?

George Bower

OOps sorry AFTER the credit. So 30 before. Still a stretch IMO.

Gene Frenkle

When the price was $39k the CEO said the goal was a $7-10k price reduction. So $30k is the low end but within the range of the goal set several years ago. I personally hope it comes to less than $35k after the tax credit fully loaded with a driver assistance package.

Ziv

George, if they go to an 18.0 kWh pack and dip a little deeper into the pack to get the AER, I think they can do $29,990 MSRP. But I think they are going to go with a 20.0 kWh pack and it will come in somewhere around $31k. Plus shipping.

Still, anything under $24,000 net after $7500 tax credit is pretty impressive.

ModernMarvelFan

Combined with GM incentives and dealer incentives, the 2014 Volt with $35K sticker are already selling for “effectively” $30K today. Then you tag on $7,500 federal and if you live in CA (the most popular Volt state), you get additional $1,500. So, Volt is already cheaper than a Chevy Cruze or Prius in the state of California with all incentives included.

tedfredrick

A normal Chevy Cruise will cost 20K comparably equipped. Add batterys for $4000 and motor and controller for $4000 and you have 28K

Loboc

A 5th seat doesn’t flip my nickel at all. I only use one most of the time. If I have a guest, I use 2. If I have a guest with a kid, I use 3. I have never, ever used 4 or needed 5.

As far as a bench being ‘the same’ as two buckets for comfort, I gotta call b.s. Side bolstering alone is WAY different.

If the rear seat has a few more inches leg room, I wouldn’t complain. But, I’m not complaining now. Volt is the best car I have EVER driven.

George Bower

I agree Loboc. I’ve never heard so much yammering about a fifth seat in my life.

kdawg

When there’s nothing else to attack, the bottom of the barrel must be scraped.

John Hansen

1. You are childless.
2. You are apparently friendless (or you just drive your friends 5 seat car when you go somewhere together).
3. You think that everybody else is the same as you.

Good thing you’re not running R&D at GM, or the Volt would stay a niche car for dinks forever.

Fyi, I’ve owned two Volts now. I fully support Volts. I’ve been willing to put up with the four seat shortcoming of the current generation because everything else about the car is so good. The fifth seat will make it nearly perfect.

Spec9

1) You shouldn’t look to just your needs for the what the general market needs.
2) I agree that it will rarely be needed . . . but sometimes you just need to provide the market with what it THINKS it needs instead of trying to tell them they really don’t need something.

Victor

Loboc,
I heard someone said that half the SUVs on the road today are not needed by the people who buys them. What I say, if you want something and its not illegal, immoral or fattening, go for it!

Spec9

Well, I gotta say that driving a gas SUV with one person in it is immoral at this point. A pointless emission of pollution & greenhouse gases.

Josh Bryant

I didn’t need a middle rear seat until a month ago. But having the middle seat (for the car seat) has been a requirement for all of my car purchases (imposed by my wife) for the last three years.

I can by any car I want…as long as she doesn’t say no 😉

Spec9

Wait . . . what?!?!

Game-changer. Way to go GM.

As a kid growing up in the 1970’s, I spent plenty of time straddling the hump. It is no big deal. And it is pretty rare for the car to carry 5 people, so it is not something that will have to be dealt with often.

John Hansen

Ditto. I spent the ’80s sitting between my brother and sister in the back seat of a Dodge Aries K, which was smaller than the Volt.

Many people moan that the middle seat is useless and insist that we need to drive minivans or SUVs if we dare to have a family. Of course, the people who complain usually don’t have families themselves…

Lou

5th seat not important to me at all. But it is for some, I understand that. Right now, I am very, very happy with the comfort of the 2 rear bucket seats. 3 of the 4 members of my family are short(under 5’6″). The one who is 6′ is off at grad school, has yet to even see our Volt, so the car is perfect for us right now. Our last “small car” a Hyundai Elantra, had 3 seats in the back, but even for 3 shorties like us, it would have been uncomfortable. The current Volt’s bucket seat configuration makes it more roomy for those 2 passengers in the back. Someone here mentioned that the LEAF is cramped with 3 in the back, but I guess that it’s not so cramped if the 3 are young kids.

Lou

Lou

Forgot to add that ther additional EV range is way bigger to me than the 3rd seat! Right now I am just dipping into gas on the halfway point home on my commute. Am getting about 27-30 miles AER in this weather. Another 10 miles added would really be nice. This makes me realize that the Rex EV, such as a Volt, has so many possible applications. Why not a family car? Another sporty version for those who want it? Or, as paole have been screaming on other posts, a small SUV or CUV with the Voltec drive train? It has to be that once the battery costs drop enough, we will see Chevy with a host of EV options.

Lou

Bill Howland

I’m unclear as to the point in contention..

1). Everyone who wanted a 5th seat is getting it. People can decide for themselves if it is upolstered sufficiently to their liking.

2). People who don’t need the 5th seat can just admire it in their rear view mirror while enjoying the extra miles of all electric range, as well as the ‘locking gas cap’ feature…

What’s not to like?

QCO

I can’t believe there have been over a hundred posts on something as trivial as the back seat.

It seems the EV enthusiast crowd has disappeared and been replaced by tire kicking retail car shoppers.

Victor

Qco,
Having a bench seat in the back is not a trivial matter. One of the improvements I want to see most in the second generations Chevy Volt was seating for 5. I got my wish. I have a family of 5. I’ve straddled the hump when I was a kid, so I know my kids shouldn’t have a problem with that. The Chevy Volt represents automobile engineering at its best. Now it has seating
for 5. I love it!

Priusmaniac

Five seat is paramount with 3 children, so this really place the volt back on the map. By the way it also allow other back seat things prior to having 3 children. It is also very practical for letting the children out on the right side away from the traffic or where no other car is parked too close by. More straight forward it simply serves to be able to merge with the flock of all the other cars that have five seats which makes resale more easy.

Nate

The InsideEV’s article shows:
” 2.) Does it have a 5th seat?

Granted, the one they showed was a pre-production version so there might be tweaks – but there was a bench in the back between the two original seats. It looks designed to put an infant/child seat there, but not space for an adult/young adult to sit.”

But leaves off the last sentence of this paragraph from the mychevyvolt site:

“Seems like more legroom too.”

Open-Mind

Since the Volt will now use both electric motors for propulsion, they should move one of them to the back wheels. Then it could have AWD in EV mode.

Or even better … add a third motor for the back wheels in the Volt SS and tune it for better range like Tesla did. I would pay $10K extra for AWD and an extra 100 HP.

N22Tango
The 2016 looks rather toothy to me, and I can’t but help think of Richard Kiel and his metallic mouth in that James Bond movie years ago but I can remember when I first saw a 1970 Camaro the first time after owning a 1968 Z-28 and I thought the 1970 was the ugliest car I had ever seen. Three months later I special ordered one and God I loved that car. I’m flying my wife (and maybe a few relatives) to Detroit to have a looksie in January and I suspect a 2016 will be my third Volt purchase, when they hit the showrooms, this time for my wife. The 5th seat is a non-issue for me. I suspect the last time I had 5 people in a car was back in high school. I mean, who really hauls around 4 passengers these days? I’d wish GM made it where the rear seats could pop out so I could toss some bulky things there when needed (like a spare wheel/tire I have carried on on wild trip of 702 miles in a single day in my 2012…) I’m easily doing 50 miles in the 2015 Volt (OK, I drive… Read more »
Bro1999

I don’t get the people vehemently against the 5th seat. What exactly do you lose? The middle cup holders? GM probably stuck a flip down armrest in the seatback of the 5th seat, so you’ll still have those cup holders.

FangQ

maybe fitting a long item, such as a fishing pole without needing to fold the back seat? only did it once.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

The gap between the seats is very handy for long rifles and gun cases. My ACR’s case is at least 4′ long and notches quite nicely between the 2 rear seats. Screw you, Newt Gingrich!

Bill Howland

I never liked Newt since he Dumped his wife at the first sign of her getting sick.

James

I think the day someone decided his name would be more fitting as “Newt”, the whole story was laid out for all to see.

newt

[noot, nyoot] Spell Syllables

Examples
Word Origin

noun

1.

any of several brilliantly colored salamanders of the family Salamandridae, especially those of the genera Triturus and Notophthalmus, of North America, Europe, and northern Asia.

2.

any of various other small salamanders.

FangQ

Looks like all the prayers are answered by GM, well done!

I’d like to add one more prayer: please improve the voice recognition for the onboard GPS. The voice commands for GPS in my 14 Volt are rather difficult to use (compared to an Android phone with google map). I wish to just say “navigate to address or POI name” in one sentence to start the navigation. With my 14 Volt, I have to say “navigation”, wait for the beep, “address”, wait for the beep again, and then repeat the address many times because volt can not give me the correct address. Also, volt does not understand POI names well. For example, with google map, I can say “navigate to the nearest Wholefoods”, or “navigate to Cosco in xxx”. But I can’t do that with my volt. So, GM, please polish this feature, and make it more usable. I will continue recommending volt to everyone who ask me.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Having the voice command pipe directly into Google Now would be nice, though the Volt is quiet enough to get away with “Ok Google” I believe..

kubel

2015 Volt is now on my list to replace my 2012 Nissan LEAF when my lease is up.