2014 Nissan LEAF To “Be Available in Select Showrooms in Early 2014” – But Some Have Already Landed!

JAN 2 2014 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 63

Nissan LEAF

Nissan LEAF

First, the 2014 Nissan LEAF was coming to US dealers October 2013.

LEAF

LEAF

Then, the 2014 Nissan LEAF was coming to US dealers in December 2013.

Now, the latest bit of intel comes to us from a local Nissan dealership who says that the 2014 Nissan LEAF will be available in select showrooms early in 2014.”

In truth, Nissan actually did hit their December 2013 deadline, but only just, as a handful of 2014 editions of the LEAF have squeaked onto showroom floors before 2013 expired.

As for any pricing structure changes for the 2014 LEAF, we have contacted Nissan – but they appear to be having an extended holiday of some kind and have yet to return our inquiry.  (We will report on changes of any kind the moment they are known)

In the meantime, just in case you’ve forgotten, Nissan will only slight change the LEAF for Model Year 2014.  Those changes are detailed below.

2014 Nissan LEAF Changes

2014 Nissan LEAF Changes

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Can anyone confirm the 1k price drop for Canada and availability?

Mark, Nissan has stated that they have reduced production costs. Hopefully, this will translate into lower prices in North America. However, the Canadian dollar is at its weakest now since about 2008, which isn’t going to work in favor of a lower MSRP in Canada.

Start making the quickcharge port standard. Its only hurting the leaf brand, and the efforts to standardize chademo chargers, to put cars out there without it. It can’t cost that much extra. By now the normal economics curve of electronics have probably reduced it to less than a starbucks latte.

Or they could allow people to order a Leaf with a SAE charge port.

If the CCS infrastructure grows, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they did offer the option. Or possibly a third party will offer an adapter like Tesla’s CHAdeMO-to-SC adapter. But without the infrastructure, what’s the point? To help the competition?

To help the customer. Nothing stops them from having both CHAdeMO and CCS ports if the unused one is isolated from the power supply/battery.

You seem to imply that engineering support for SAE is automatic. This would require a good amount of upfront engineering for Nissan. What is their motivation at this point? I don’t see any at all.

I thought Chademo was the defacto standard. If there are more Chademo chargers around than anything else, I guess I’m not seeing the argument as to why Nissan has to do anything but Chademo.

Others disagree here, but having it as an option lowers the price for cost-conscious buyers who just happen to not want or need fast-charging and don’t want to pay for a facilty they’ll not use. It remains optional for those who do want a fast charging option. Thats why they call them options. They offer an optional choice on L2 speeds also, 3.3kw for those whom it is sufficient, and 6.6 kw for those who are willing to pay a bit more, but its not mandated for those who want a leaf at the absolute lowest cost.

The popular LEAF choice in 2013 was the “Model S” with the “Charger package”. The list price is $1300 for the charger addition. http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/presskits/us-2013-nissan-leaf-press-kit

This is great pricing given 3rd party rapid charging options are at least $3000-$5000.

It would be interesting if LEAF owners (and Nissan) be willing to put $1000 toward a fund like Tesla owners do for building a network of reliable rapid chargers? The 40,000 LEAFs in US to date would mean a $40 million rapid charging network fund. The advantage of such a fund would be DCQC would be in regions were LEAFs were purchased.

Yeah Brian but there are SOOOOOO many more leaf’s than model s’s. You’d need a lot of charging spots to satisfy all of the many leaf customers.

There are LEAFs sold in rural areas that are not likely to have any CHAdeMO Charging Stations in the next five years, if ever. Why force people there to pay extra for a Quick Charge Port?

Heck, there are only two CHAdeMO in all of Canada outside of British Columbia. One of those is at a Mitsubishi dealership. Since Nissan Canada doesn’t think it is important to install Quick Chargers at their dealerships like they do in the USA, why should they force Canadians to pay for a port they can’t use?

I think you have to be a priveledged Dealership in the US to get a L3 charger… None of the dealers by me as of yet have one, Al S. I’m in Buffalo, NY (not exactly a backwater, so I’d guess that more rural dealerships also don’t have them – Especially if the dealer has to pay for both unit and installation!).

Nissan! Are you listening? For next year’s version give us a trim level with more range, and/or an option for a small range extender like BMW is doing!

No, please DON’T add a range extender wart to this car.

I agree – no range extender! (That’s why I bought one over the Volt in the first place!). Optional improved range would be great, though. I would gladly give up some trunk depth to get over 100 miles / charge.

Wouldn’t spend a penny on a leaf.

Lucky for you, you don’t have to. Now go troll somewhere else.

Perfect!

Why do people here pick on the Leaf? Although I do not own one, for people who are satisfied with the battery range and temperature issues, its a fine example of an EV. They have certainly sold enough world wide so that 92,000 people have to be at least somewhat satisfied with their purchase. Are they planning to increase the battery size? Or is that just a rumor at this point?

That’s why it should be an option so purists like you can get the BEV version and guys like me can pay a little extra for the range extender.

because it isn’t really an option. To redesign the car to add space for the range extender, the gas tank, the tailpipe, and make space for all of that is extreme. It would up the costs and lower the performance of the BEV model.

If it had 200 (real world) mile AER, I’d consider it. Maybe its time for Nissan to start offering multiple ranges. Pay more to play more.

@scott: Agreed! The i3 has space for its optional range extender which is completely wasted for the BEV version.

Call us purists, but I really don’t want the additional cost or maintenance of an ICE in my car.

The result though is that you NEED two cars right? Unless you already have two, then I suppose the point is of less importance.

I’m curious what percentage of Leaf drivers DON’T have another car. I know they’re out there, but I’m guessing it’s less than 5%.

Not that you care, but we only have one car. I bike to work, and wife drives the leaf.
To keep the leaf costs low, I would prefer a trailer that I can rent to extend range, rather than 90kwh battery on board. Although I would change my mind if it was cheap.

What if the other car is a LEAF too?

I have only the LEAF. People are stupefied when I tell them, but it’s true.

@DanCar,

I think that’s great that you only have one car. Sometimes I wish I didn’t have to pay for and maintain two cars, but the logistics would not be worth it.

@Brian Henderson,

I was following Mr. Cote’s theme of another car being an ICEV / Hybrid. My curiosity is how many Leaf drivers have ditched gas altogether? If your other car is a BEV as well, that’s awesome! (It’s slightly different if the other car is a Tesla, because that’s a truly long-range car).

But to Aaron/Mr. Cote’s discussion, I have two cars, but one is a Leaf. I got a Leaf over a Volt in part because I didn’t want to maintain / use a gasoline engine in both cars, since I only need it in one (can’t afford a Tesla myself).

I would be curious to know that number too Brian. Like Kdawg, I support only the one car and frequent the beach and mountains thus the range extender. I think many more families fit the scenario you describe which is perfect for a BEV of your choosing.

Leaf + Volt
+ 2006 Dodge Grand Caravan
+ 1998 Toyota Camry
+ 2000 Honda Shadow 750 (motorcycle)
The high temp on Monday will be -10F, with a foot of show on the ground. The Volt rides too low, the Leaf’s heater isn’t very good, and I don’t really want to expose either to those conditions anyway. So I’ll keep the van for these rare situations, hauling stuff and vacations. But I’m selling the other two because they just sit there.

We’ve had two LEAFs since July, 2013. So far, it has worked great. If we had to do a long trip, could always rent an ICE but we’ve found it easy to travel from the coast to the valley including Corvallis, Portland, Eugene. The charging structure is there for it. When we had an ICE and a LEAF, most of the time we chose to drive the LEAF anyway.

I have two, my second is a ranger I use for towing a camper and a boat. It gets 13 MPG, so a range of 260, and that does not change significantly when towing (perhaps 10 MPG). Since I use the leaf for commuting, I leave the ranger to my wife who only uses it locally. Thus my gas use is close to zero except for vacations. 260 miles range is not rocket science, and its within reach. A light electric truck would do the job. People here are putting way to much into the range issue. With a proper fast charging infrastructure, 100-200 miles range is fine, since you can charge on the road. Here in the bay area, the extensive chademo roll out now gives me the capability to visit most of the bay area, including san fransisco, wine country and sacremento. You don’t need the same range from an electric car as you need from a gas car. Electric cars charge from your home, so you don’t need several between charges. People use the 300 mile average range of a gas car simply to put off going to the gas station. A 200 mile range electric car… Read more »

I haven’t experienced such convenience for a long drive as you have. The way I am seeing the math, my wife and I can drive for 1 hour at 65mph, then need a quick charge for about 25 minutes in order to do it again. That means your first 65 miles take you one hour, and every additional 65 miles takes 90 minutes (IF there is a CHAdeMO at that exact spot), which is a net travel speed of 43 mph. With L2 the net highway travel speed of successive legs plummets to about 12.5 mph.

Have you tried Sacramento and back, or are you just doing math for now?

And I only want to own 1 car, so I need more AER.

This is not necessarily true, and you probably realize that. While Nissan is unlikely to consider a REx for their LEAF, I do hope that they will offer a wider range of plugin hybrids. These types of vehicles work well in the real world, and they get consumers thinking. That said, I can empathize with David, and he is most certainly not alone. BMW is getting plenty of orders for the i3 with REx, and there are automotive suppliers considering providing an after-market solution. Everyone’s situation is a bit different, but the LEAF has plenty of space in the rear to support a similar solution. Those that have a BEV trim would not be impacted.

http://bit.ly/fiatrexkspg

I agree w/Scott. The market needs an EV that doesn’t have to bear the extra weight of gas, transmission, and an ICE. Those things will just decrease the AER. Just add range to the Leaf via more or stronger batteries. If they just add more, the weight will slightly reduce the mi/kWh for the typical shorter trips. What I am seeing is to install a receptacle under the hatch floor, where people can drop in up to 16 20-lb battery packs for an extra 25-30 miles of range (or hotter heat please!) when you want it. The batteries could be stored in the garage on a separate charging platform so they are always ready. As the packs get more efficient (and if the programming is there), the same number of packs could give you even more added range with less weight. Then, if you ever needed to rescue a dead Leaf, you could just provide some fully charged packs. Third party battery companies could compete for sales on the packs, especially if most EV’s had the ports for them.

Why is “battery swap in your garage” never discussed?

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

40kWh usable > range extender.

Time for Nissan to gank the recipe for some of Tesla’s secret sauce :p

Also, 150kW peak motor please, there’s no reason for an EV to be butt-of-jokes slow any more..

A thousand times yes. A range extender is a giant redesign, and the wrong direction, a wrong bet on the future. We need 32 or 40kwh batteries and 32 or 40kW QC buildout to support them! I’d happily pay a 5 or 10k premium to make longer jumps between cities (and available QCs).

Well… the QC should have more than 32-40 kW to be really useful. I hope more will take after Tesla with 135kw+ chargers. It has to be under 30 minutes, and rather under 20 minutes to be really useful on a highway.

I have the 2013 Leaf and have no issue with the power. I had a 2003 Civic hybrid previously and the difference in power is wellllll…take a guess. Frankly if you want power in a leaf just drop the hammer. ..I haven’t personally driven a spark ev, but I would think that is even better.

Perhaps include an app to query schools if charging is permitted.

It sure seems like Nissan is having its problems managing such small changes to a successful car. Perhaps it will make sense if they announce significant price reductions in a few weeks during Detroit’s Auto Show. We have not yet seen their response to the price drop for the Chevy Volt in the Fall. Given that they are not introducing any new body style or technology in 2014, they need to drop the price.

“The 2014 Leaf! Coming in 2015.” 😉

I would love to see different trim packages offering more range. 84 miles of range isn’t bad, but the 40 to 50 mile range in cold weather is a deal killer. I really want to see Nissan step up and start offering a guaranteed minimum range on the car. For example: engage the Eco button and the car will limit acceleration to achieve 70 miles range while still allowing full use of all the cars functions and 65 mph speeds. Nissan, Please! provide a model that will achieve a 70 mile minimum range in cold weather. This means after 5 years of use, the car will provide a minimum range of 70 miles in; 0 degrees F, windshield wipers running, cabin heat running, radio running, headlights running, window defrost running, 4 inches of snow and ice on the car and another 2 inches on the road. Do people care about a car that can do 100 miles of range; in perfect weather, with a tail wind, going down hill, with a fresh coat of wax on the paint, new roads … and the moons gravitational pull … well, you get the point. IMO – a minimum performance guarantee would accelerate… Read more »

It is easy to meet all the needs you list …
since you are Rich, just go and buy a Model S.

(Sorry, I could not resist the pun)

Limiting acceleration isn’t enough to guarantee a minimum amount of range. There are a lot more factors than that.

I agree with you … there are a lot of factors. This is my point … people don’t care about factors (excuses). They need a car to provide transportation regardless of normal winter weather conditions.

Guaranteed Range*** !!!

*** Only applies to roads that go only downhill.

And the 3.3kW onboard charger silently went away….. Nice.

THat’s good news. I have a 2011 and one thing becomes very obvious when waiting at a public charging station on the other side of town. 3.3Kw is too slow for an all-electric car. 6.6 Is a much better improvement, meaning I might only have to wait 1 hour at a station instead of 2. Or 2 hours instead of 4. You get the idea.

3.3Kw is fine for home charging and find for PHEVs. But every BEV needs to be 6.6 or better! I highly suspect 10Kw will be the norm in a few years.

Even 6.6kW is too slow for public charging. 3.3kW is well sized for overnight charging at home, but on the go, you really want CHAdeMO or better

6.6 kW fits well, if you are away from the car for more then 2 hours. You really can’t block a Chademo station for 2 hours and waiting additional 30 minutes to charge after went out 2+ hours for shopping, cinema ect. sucks too.

Brian , Nissan now calls their 3.3kw charger 3.6 kw.. Is this because the fan and pump run off the AC input? You described it for me but i forget the intimate details.

They could offer a “boomer” version. Back seat replaced by another 24 kWh pack.

Anyone know if the 2014 LEAF has “B” mode across all lines? If so, the LEAF is a lock for me in January 2015, when my i-MiEV lease is up.

“B” mode was not available on the 2013 LEAF S, even with the 6.6kW charger upgrade, according to Nissan.

Just chatted with a Nissan rep online. The “B” mode is still only for the 2014 SL/SV models. No “B” mode love for the S.

screw the battery size, car needs a complete facelift, so hideous.

Not my cup of tea, but the look does grow on you.

Tesla needs to do something about their lineup. The Gen3 better not look like the S or X. It’s like they went to the opposite extreme. The Leaf tries to yell “Hey I’m an EV, I’m different”.. and the Model S makes you want to yawn. Need to find some middle ground.

It’s those bug-eyed headlights, mostly… which were designed to reduce wind noise off the side view mirrors. With regular headlights it would look a lot like a Versa, and not scream “I’m an EV.” I’ll accept the strange looks for the positive effect on wind noise, I guess… although they didn’t do much to insulate against road noise. I guess we can’t have everything at that price.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

The looks don’t bother me, but I’d much rather have a 40-50kWh usable Maxima (or Pathfinder) EV, with 150+kW rear motor (or 100kW front + 150kW rear for AWD, with power budget based on battery pack voltage distributed for best performance and efficiency).

was told by SEVERAL entities that the 2014’s would be available anywhere from late Jan to mid Feb. in retrospect, I guess they wanted to move the 2013’s so i leased the S with charge package. it was essentially an interest free lease so not complaining. there is some improvements for 2014 but betting lease prices will not be as attractive and yet to see exactly how long it takes to get the 2014’s in

Interest free sounds like you got a good deal. There should be many Leafs starting to come off lease, and it will be interesting what they sell for.

These 3 tr old cars create EV opportunties for those who could not afford them before.