200-Mile Renault ZOE Expected To Debut In Paris, Plus New “GT électrique”

SEP 20 2016 BY MARK KANE 51

Renault ZOE Battery

Renault ZOE Battery

Renault ZOE

Renault ZOE

French media reports that the Renault ZOE will get a major range update, which will be announced during the Paris Motor Show.

200 miles (320 km) was hinted as the possible real-world range instead of today’s ~160 km/100 mile version.

Currently, the Renault ZOE is available in two versions – the original called the Q210 and the newer R240, with 210 km and 240 km of NEDC range respectively.

We believe both are equipped with a 26 kWh battery, but the R240 has more efficient drivetrain and wider battery state-of-charge window (23.3 kWh usable instead of 22 kWh).

Increase from 240 km (NEDC) to 300 km (NEDC) would be 25% gain similar to the Nissan LEAF (30 kWh / 24 kWh).

The move to about 300 km real-world range was predicted two years ago and would probably have a NEDC rating somewhere between 400-500 km. Like GM’s battery supplier with the Chevy Bolt EV, Renault is a major customer from LG Chem, so we could be looking at a 50 or 60 kWh ZOE.

In addition Renault also announced today the reveal of a new EV concept for Paris as well, the GT électrique  – which could be a lightly disguised 2nd generation LEAF/IDS Concept

Carlos Ghosn will be attending the Paris Motor Show to show off his company's "new hotness"...and by company we mean Renault (not Nissan, or AvtoVAZ, or Mitsubishi, or...)

Carlos Ghosn will be attending the Paris Motor Show to show off his company’s “new hotness”…and by ‘company’ we mean Renault (not Nissan, or AvtoVAZ, or Mitsubishi, or…)

UN CONCEPT-CAR QUI PORTE LE STYLE RENAULT

Renault inaugure un nouveau cycle de concept-cars et explore le design et les technologies des futurs modèles. Avec son style chaleureux et ses prestations orientées vers le plaisir de conduire, cette GT électrique incarne la vision de la mobilité du futur et la passion de l’automobile. 

Loosely translated to English:

A CONCEPT CAR INFUSED WITH RENAULT STYLE

Renault opens a new cycle of concept cars and explores the design and technologies of future models. With its friendly style and performance-oriented driving pleasure, this electric GT embodies the vision of the future of mobility and automotive passion.

Renault’s “English” media press blast rephrases GT électrique’s debut:

The Renault concept car to be revealed on Sept. 29 marks the beginning of a new cycle of Renault car design. This explores the essence and technologies inspiring upcoming models that embody both a vision of how mobility might be in the future and the vibrant passion associated with the automobile.

Beginning with the Paris Motor Show on the 29th of this month, and continuing through the 2017 autoshow season, we finally get to see the Renault-Nissan Alliance move into its next generation of plug-in offerings!

source: BFM Business, hat tip to Adrian!

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The real question is whether it will have a TMS system.

This site needs a polling option 🙂

This type of comment always leads to a place where everybody wants a Tesla but only wants to pay $30k for it. IMO whatever Renault release will be fantastic provided is priced correctly and made in sufficient numbers. The model 3 and the Bolt will both cost around $35-45k before incentives. That’s good but that still makes them a fairly expensive car. A TMS, faster on board charger, more cabin space, 60 kWh vs 40kWh, etc.. all adds cost and weight to the vehicle. As someone who gets by on a 24 kWh 2012 leaf what I would like to see is a market where there are options for everyone. Let’s have BMW, Tesla and GM offer high cost vehicles with all the bells and whistles at around $40k but lets see Renault and Nissan start to bring in some lower cost but still very capable cars. There is a place for 30-40 kWh cars that perhaps loose 15% of their battery capacity over 3-4 years and only do 0-60 in 10ish sec. If those cars cost $10-20k less than 60 kWh, water cooled, super charger enabled, partly self driving, sports car then we are onto a winner. Now clearly… Read more »

Tesla cancelled its initial offer of a 40-kWh version of the Model S, because (at least according to reports) only about 2% of customers wanted that version.

It is very clear that EV buyers, or at least those who are in the market for a “premium” Tesla car, are willing to pay considerably more for longer range. Is it reasonable to think that this same desire for longer range will disappear with lower-priced cars? I don’t think so.

There are many advantages, too many to ignore, for a larger battery pack: Not only greater range, but also faster charging, better residual/resale value, and less difficulty with loss of range when running the A/C, as well as less problems with loss of range as the car ages.

The time is fast approaching when we can look back and laugh at the days in which a GM EV1 driver reported on the “daily drama” of whether or not his approx. 75-80 miles of range would be good enough to get him back home without going into “turtle mode” at the end of his daily commute.

To be fair, though, this was before hardly anyone had had the benefit of long term ownership of a long range EV. For my money the best 2 car household option would be a long range (expensive) EV and a short range (cheap) one. Thus you have the best of both worlds, limiting the expense. And don’t forget that after introducing the 70kWh Model S, Tesla *re*-introduced the new 60kWh version. For some, even a 40kWh version would work perfectly well with about a real 120 mile range.

Yes, but 40kWh would only knock off 8 000$ or so from the price tag.

Rest of the car is simply too expensive.

So Tesla will give You car with similar good range but other features scaled down.

Bigger potential customer base.

Yes, those that can afford 50.000€ on a car want more range and are willing to pay more. This is what Tesla has proven.

Yes it is reasonable to expect that people that can only afford a car for 20.000€ also want more range.

But at first they want a BEV. It help no one if you out of the market since there is no 20.000€ BEV. A 10kWh increase in battery is most likely 2.000+€ more in production (more frame, wiring and 150€/kWh). That means the retail price will most likely be 5.000€ more.

You can choose:
BEV with 40kWh for 20.000,-€
BEV with 50kWh for 25.000,-€

Some people might not so easily push their price boundary 5.000,-€ higher. And if you only need 3-4 times a year more than 40 kWh the difference is just not worth it.

“You can choose:
BEV with 40kWh for 20.000,-€
BEV with 50kWh for 25.000,-€”

Wait a minute there. That can’t be because a BEV with 0KWh would then go for 0€ which is obviously impossible since even with no battery you still have all the rest of the car to pay for. Bodywork, motor, seats, windows, etc…

A battery is a big cost item in a BEV but not to that extend. If we consider a price of 250 €/KWh, even a Model S 90 battery would be only 22500 €, which is less than a third of the total price.

But you can’t sell a 90 kWh Battery without a margin. So the cost for getting that 90 kWh is higher than 22.500€ from a customer perspective. Anyway i was talking about something different.

My point is, than a larger battery is increasing cost and i would like it more to have aso a choice for people with a smaller wallet, than to have only long range BEVs than only the middle class and up can afford.

Even if the markup for 10kWh will be only 3.000€ some people might not consider this car any more because of the higher price. I think it is better to offer a cheap BEV that fits many needs instead of a medium exensive BEV that fits all needs.

Or you could offer different battery sizes for different prices like Nissan and Tesla are doing it.

Except if you are talking to a BMW driver because they prefer the car to be light and walk rather than have better range…

Just out of interest what car do u drive?

The Zoe already has a TMS, so 99% chance the answer is yes.

TMS? Temperature Management System or what? That wasn’t helpful:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMS

Moderator note:

It would be a great addition to the top of the page if you added a PEV acronym guide for new readers. As with any narrow interest group, there are lots of acronyms.

e.g.:
PEV = Plug-in Electric Vehicle, includes BEV and PHEV subgroups.

Exciting seeing the BEV industry finally inch past CARB range minimums.

Even nicer if this was the New Leaf announcement, with Automatic Cruise Control and Collision Prevention, plus better aerodynamics.

Does the Bolt not have active cruise control? Didn’t see it on the list.

I saw it on the steering wheel buttons.

I hope a 300km in real life for the Zoé at its mid life.
The other thing I hope for, is that Renault offer the choice of renting or buying the battery.
The Chevrolet Bolt will arrive next year in Europe. If the price tag of the Renault Zoé is below 30.000€ (battery included) before incentive, I think that the Bolt can’t be at 40.000€.
Every carmakers have to choose wisely the price of their 300km+ cars, because the Tesla Model 3 is comming with a very agressive price. The first victime is the Bolt, and actually the Bolt is a better bargain in Canada than in USA.

I wouldn’t consider the Bolt a victim of the Model 3. They should both do as well as the manufactures want, just like the Toyota Corrolla, Honda Civic, VW Golf all do well.

Don’t get me wrong, I am very enthusiast about the arrival of the Chevrolet Bolt.
As french I prefer a 4m30 hatchback than a 4m60 sedan. I am actually saving money for a second hand Bolt or Model 3 for less than 25.000€ in 2020-2022.
When I am saying “victim”, I wanted to say because of a very low price “35.000$”, the other carmakers have to rethink their strategies. Even VW have made an annonce that they probably will make a ~25.000$ 4m30 hatchback.
I hope that Chevrolet will cut their price when the Model 3 will hit the market. Because the other won’t even try to sell their cars at 35.000$.
And the fast charge is an option for the entry level, they didn’t realize that the Model 3 is capable of that in standard. The Bolt will have a 68kW of battery, the fast charge have to be in standard.
288 cells can be divided in 2×144, and that way the Bolt can use a 120kW charger (600V at 200A).

Seuthès said:

“And the fast charge is an option for the entry level, they didn’t realize that the Model 3 is capable of that in standard.”

There I’m pretty sure you’re wrong. GM knew full well that Tesla be building the Model ≡ to accept Supercharger use, as standard equipment even if enabling that is an option you have to pay for.

The Bolt isn’t intended to be a long-range touring car; it’s intended as a commuter car or “city car”. From that viewpoint, it makes sense to offer DCFC only as an option, rather than building it into every car.

In the long run, I think that will prove to be a mistake. I think the lack of DCFC ability will reduce the resale of Bolts which lack that feature. But it’s understandable that GM wanted to limit, as far as was practical, the cost of putting the Bolt into production. After over-spending on the Volt, a more cautious approach to the Bolt was a prudent business choice… even though we EV advocates would like to see something more bold.

We don’t like sedans in western europe.
Just hatchbacks and station wagons.
SUV are also in, but they are actually high heels hatschbacks or station wagons.

Many people love sedan in Europe too, me amongst them. I think there are more differences between countries inside Europe than between Europe and the US. Germany and Italy being too extremes with a Fiat 500 a standard in Italy and a BMW 3 series a standard in Germany.

I don’t at all see the Chevy Bolt as a “victim” of the Tesla Model ≡. I think the two cars compliment each other, and different drivers want different things. I think both will sell out quickly, at least in the first couple of years of production.

I predict that only after those first two years will the companies need to start planning for actual competition for buyers. But hopefully most of the “stolen” market share for the Model ≡ and for the Bolt will come from gasmobiles, and not from each other!

Frankly, I find it disconcerting to see all the arguments in InsideEVs’ comments over which is the better car. Both are compelling BEVs, and the EV market is better served by multiple choices.

Can’t we all just get along? 🙂

Actually I am not sure the first victim of the Model 3 will be the Bolt but rather the remaining pure gas vehicles that are not plug-in hybrids and no simple hybrids neither. Those are the one who will suffer the most because with the arrival of the Model 3, the Bolt will be kind of confirmed as a good choice since it is also an ev while all the pure gas cars will be seen as really completely obsolete. Bolt, Leaf, Model 3, Zoé rather tends to form a growing critical mass where each extra car kind of helps the others come up to the bright daylight instead of being competitors of one another. At least for new an ev is helping another ev and they all cut into the pure gas competition.

The Zoe is the best looking EV that is affordable…
It will be interesting to see how it is priced along with the other upcoming EVs and refreshed EVs…
Unfortunately they dont sell it in the US 🙁

Its seems that EVs are becoming serious business for the automotive industry, great, thank you Elon.

agree!!!!(the next 9-12 months will be really exciting for EVs)

No, range updates from Renault-Nissan are planned years ago. First hints you will find 2011 from Ghosn (about working on new batteries double range).
In a press release 2012 from Renault they plan using next generation batteries from LG in 2017.
http://media.renault.com/global/en-gb/renaultgroup/Media/PressRelease.aspx?mediaid=33184
In a gasoline car company range updates are long term planned, like the Bolt which GM tested first in 2014 or 60 kWh Leaf also.

Goelectric said:

“…range updates from Renault-Nissan are planned years ago. First hints you will find 2011 from Ghosn (about working on new batteries double range).”

That was three years after Tesla started selling its Roadster, which had a real-world driving range of about 180 miles.

“In a press release 2012 from Renault they plan using next generation batteries…”

The same year that Tesla started selling the 265 mile range Tesla Model S85.

Is Tesla the only force pushing forward the EV revolution? No, but it is, without question, by far the biggest force. With the possible exception of BYD (and there only in China, not outside its borders), it appears that Tesla is creating a bigger push than all other companies put together; both auto makers and battery makers.

Yeah, premium EVs. Renault-Nissan sold 350.000 EVs, thats the biggest force. You have a big market for used cheap ones. Ghosn goal was always mass market cheap EVs, Tesla will never produce such cheap EVs like Zoe or Kangoo. Musk already said Model 3 will be cheapest Tesla. Its premium for ~5% of the market like BMW. In Europe no BMW under the bestselling cars, all cars between 10-15k €, in US not all but many between 15-25 MSRP $ with real price 12-18k MSRP.

It’s like they want to say something but don’t want to ruin the Paris auto show reveal.

350 km skoda yeti is allready on offer by Kreisel electric. So why not pay a visit to Austria Insideevs-staff??????

Are you sure? Is it available for a reasonable price like 35.000€ or so?

From their website: “PROTOTYP:
Bei diesem Fahrzeug handelt es sich um einen unverkäuflichen Prototypen. Wir sind in Abklärung mit Partner-Unternehmen bezüglich Serienfertigung von Fahrzeugen mit Kreisel-Akkus. Wir halten Sie hier in unserem Blog, per Newsletter und auf Facebook auf dem Laufenden.”

It is only a prototype, not for sale! But the specs are pretty good.

170kW
0-60km/h in 2.6s
Max speed 180km/h
Range above 350 km

Just ask them by mail. You can also choose your bmw to convert. They work also closely with duth bus giant VDL.Also they use Tesla tech !!!!! Look on youtube for kreisel electric. They are way way in advance on regulars like renault chevy bolt etc.

A GT version of the Zoe would certainly attract some more people to the zoe 🙂

I hope it’s 300km real world range, but I don’t think that’s going to be the case, I suspect between 200km and 220km real world range.

My question is: will they still give the option of getting it with 43kW charging? If the battery is bigger, you want to charge faster than 22kW

You mean only 6kWh more than today? I don’t think so…

I’m afraid it won’t be much more
320km stated range is 30% more than the current model. So the battery will be 30% bigger. So 6 to 8kWh.

It will be CCS and likely higher than 43Kw

I wish. But where do you get that info?

Why Can’t we have independent REAR SUSPENSION in EV’s ? Be a better ride and more handling ! 🙂

i3

“Carlos Ghosn will be attending the Paris Motor Show to show off his company’s “new hotness”…and by ‘company’ we mean Renault (not Nissan, or AvtoVAZ, or Mitsubishi, or…)”

Does this mean Nissan will not be at the Paris Auto show?

It looks like the Tokyo Motor Show is only every other year. When would Nissan debut the new LEAF?

You might be in for a little surprise next Thursday !

Let’s hope so — competition is GOOD!!!

I was expecting the reveal at Paris. If not, I am going to be very disappointed. I hope the full details of Bolt, LEAF 2.0, and Model 3 are out in time for me to make my decision.

I am heavily leaning toward Model 3, but if there is a sport version of the LEAF available before Model 3, I might jump ship.

I will drive the Bolt, but it is the least likely to get my purchase/lease this time around.

It is possible that Ghosn wants to show the second generation Leaf on month later in US, Los Angles Autoshow (November). Because Zoe with bigger battery also will be at dealer in January its not unusual that Renault-Nissan alliance shows off their EVs at once.

Let’s hope for several announcements… I think a significant milestone will be reached when there are 5 mid-priced 200mi-AER (EPA, not NEDC) models on the market in over 50% of the developed world. At that point potential buyers will have enough choice so it’ll begin to feel like a real consumer market.

Oh yeah! It’s heating up! The Bolt does get competition from the start, thanks to the new Zoe and Leaf versions, both of which offer excellent range for most European drivers at a lower price point.

VW and BMW however look little short of ridiculous. Especially the i3 depends entirely on its badge to defend the price. I’m pretty sure we’ll see price drops from both, and perhaps another battery upgrade, in the course of 2017. Or perhaps they prefer to lose share in this small but fast growing market..?