Who’s Buying The Chevrolet Bolt? Video Interview With Chevy Product Strategy Manager

5 months ago by Steven Loveday 91

In an interview at NAIAS in Detroit, Darin Gesse, GM’s Senior Manager for Chevrolet Product Strategy, talks about how much positive reception the Chevrolet Bolt is receiving, especially since the vehicle was named North American Car of the Year.

Darin Gesse, GM's Senior Manager for Chevrolet Product Strategy, talks about the Chevrolet Bolt

Darin Gesse, GM’s Senior Manager for Chevrolet Product Strategy, talks about the Chevrolet Bolt

He discusses and explains some of the technological aspects of the car, like “one foot driving.” Basically, the car slows itself when you let off the gas pedal, without having to apply the brakes, which regenerates power. He says that this is helpful when driving in stop and go traffic. Gesse also mentions more widely-known features like Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.

Who’s Buying It?

Initially, many early tech adopters came forward, but now Gesse is seeing “fast followers.” People are confident in Chevrolet’s electric platform, due to the success of the Volt. Gesse said that many people who would  not have considered buying an electric vehicle are taking interest in the Bolt.

He also talks charging, autonomous driving, and ride-sharing.

Video Description via Charged on YouTube:

The Chevy Bolt EV was just declared the North American Car of the Year at NAIAS 2017 in Detroit. But who’s actually buying it? We talked to GM’s Darin Gesse, Senior Manager Chevrolet Product Strategy at General Motors.

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91 responses to "Who’s Buying The Chevrolet Bolt? Video Interview With Chevy Product Strategy Manager"

  1. CLIVE says:

    Well I am not.

    Compliance ? Enjoy it while it lasts.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Trying to label every new compelling EV that comes along a mere “compliance car” accomplishes nothing except making it look like you don’t know what a compliance car actually is.

      If the Bolt is a “compliance car”, then so is every plug-in EV on the market, including the Tesla Model S.

      Hint: it’s not.

    2. jimijonjack&jill says:

      GM should have charging stations at **ALL THEIR MAJOR STEALERSHIPS** IT frustrates the Crap out of me when these People don’t answer Questions put to them…NOTICE HOW HE AVOIDED THE QUESTION ABOUT “GM” CHARGING STATIONS …He did a song & dance & didn’t give a DIRECT RESPONSE …So ., I guess We are On Own when we buy a Bolt!! !THE CUSTOMER HAS THE BURDEN IN REGARDS TO CHARGING … Unlike Tesla who is really in for Keeps!

      1. JayTee says:

        Why would you want to charge your car at a dealership?

        1. Scott Franco says:

          Agreed, this is an issue for the dealerships, not the customers. Here in San Jose, they showed me the car with only 80 miles of charge on it. The reason why is obvious. They don’t have DCFC, and they had some 100 of these show up. That means they can barely get those cars charged up just to do demo drives.

          For me no issue. There are DCFCs all over.

        2. SparkFiat-Leased M3-reserved says:

          Amen. Whole point of EV is charge at home, at night. No station needed.

          Tesla’s network setup intent is for TRAVEL. Early adopters get all you can charge buffet still and rightfully so for dropping 80K on a concept.

          1. CLIVE says:

            Clearly you do not get out much.

            It is not a golf cart.

            1. Mark Hegg says:

              I’m not taking my Bolt on long road trips exceed g the range of the battery. I do 80% or more of my driving within that range, no problem! This is where I spend the most money on transportation. Why, in God’s name should I have to (or want to) go elsewhere to charge the BOLT! I will get the fast charge option for convenience as not all loner trips are time intensive. But I want to charge at home and overnight will be easy – like I did a Volt!Very few nights would I need to do more than top off. If I do it should be no problem in @9 hours! I have a camper and truck for leisure and a full size car perfectly adequate for the rare times I need to take a time urgent road trip! I think I fit the profile well enough for most who will buy a Bolt and I live in a very rural area. Not good enough for you then shell out for a Tesla S, or hybrid with good all electric range (that would be a Volt). Quit telling others what they need so you can act uppity!

      2. Mike I says:

        As soon as you see one gas spigot at a gas station change to a charger port, you will know how many chargers there are in America. Your emotions don’t let you think.

    3. taser54 says:

      you’re a compliance car

    4. JIMJFOX says:

      Stupid comment- because it’s not true.

  2. jimijonjack&jill says:

    “People are confident due to the success of the volt”. is Pure “BS” …The Volt from very beginning was a ” LIE” they claimed the ICE was there PURELY to charge the Batteries Only… …Later we discover that it was in combination with the Electric power train to PROPEL the vehicle as well..ha ha ha … Trust GM …Yea Right!

    1. ATC says:

      In VERY limited circumstances( up hill 70 mph+) otherwise it only is used to charge the batteries and help warm the cabin.

      1. BernieTx says:

        The gen2 Volt no longer has a pure series mode. The …“pure” series mode in the original Voltec transmission … was used at speeds under 35-40 mph. A great article on the gen2 transmission also showing the gen1 setup is available here: http://gm-volt.com/2015/02/20/gen-2-volt-transmission-operating-modes-explained/

    2. OneMatt says:

      The Volt will run pure EV at all speeds as long as you have charge. If the gas motor kicks in, it generates, but can also link up to drive. As GM said: the power is there, may as well use it. This maximises efficiency at all speeds. Makes sense to me.

    3. BenG says:

      Who cares?

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Yup. I used to complain loudly and frequently about GM lying to the public about how Voltec works, and lying repeatedly.

        But by now, that’s water under the bridge. What’s important is that the Volt is a very well engineered and (other than the tiny passenger space) compelling EV, and it looks very much like the Bolt is compelling too. It’s too early to say if the Bolt is well engineered, but certainly there’s a good chance it has been.

      2. jimijonjack&jill says:

        Who Cares is Right ! But it’s the principle ., They are always COVERT. Never Candid*

        1. BernieTx says:

          The principle is GM is moving the bar forward in EV’s. GM is not perfect, nor should we expect them to be. Perfection is the enemy of progress. Anyway, the Bolt just adds one more choice to the mix of EVs out there, and should contribute to market growth, and that’s a good thing.

        2. JayTee says:

          Exactly. Just like how Tesla consistently misses deadlines!

          If they would just be honest we wouldn’t care.

        3. ClarksonCote says:

          GM trying to explain the subtleties of the Gen 1 Volt drivetrain to the mass market consumer would’ve been like trying to explain calculus to a preschooler.

          Heck, eyes glaze over when people try to explain the gas extended range part as it is.

          Don’t confuse simplicity of marketing with lying about a drivetrain. They published papers on their drivetrain for crying out loud, they never lied.

          1. Bill Howland says:

            Here we disagree CC.

            Gm did lie. To almost everyone including their service depts. I had a discussion (much more friendly as it turns out than the typical discussion here) with the head Service Manager at a large dealership where I purchased the car.

            SM: “The GENSET never directly powers the wheels. I went to GM Technical school for a week learning everything about the drivetrain”.

            Me: “If that is so, what is Clutch #3 for?”.

            Pregnant pause in deep thought, then :

            SM: “You know, THEY NEVER DID TELL US WHAT THAT CLUTCH DID…. I’ll have to read up on this.”

            I’ve heard interviews on the radio that were dead wrong from other dealerships also.

            For the first 18 months, afaik the only people GM told the truth to were FORBES and Motor Trend.

            I remember early on many got upset when I called the call a plug-hybrid: “No no no, you are supposed to call it extended-range”.

            I never saw what the big deal was about.

            The 2016 ELR went a bit in the hybrid direction, the 2016 GEN2volt more so, and they are going all the way with it on that overly complex (THREE planetary gearset) CT6-phev. That seems to get lousy mileage.

            1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

              Bill Howland quoted:

              “You know, THEY NEVER DID TELL US WHAT THAT CLUTCH DID…. I’ll have to read up on this.”

              LOL!
              😀 😀 😀

              That’s a great story, Bill. Real engineering FTW! 🙂

              1. Bill Howland says:

                Thank you. I’m not good on abreviations, what is ftw?

                1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

                  Sorry, I thought that “FTW” was a commonly used acronym on the Internet.

                  “FTW” is an abbreviation that means “for the win.” It is used as a type of shorthand on the Internet and when texting as a way of expressing enthusiasm. Normally used at the end of a comment, FTW is sometimes meant to be sarcastic although it is also often genuine in nature.

                  (Definitely not meant as sarcasm here!)

                  https://www.reference.com/technology/ftw-mean-texting-80d94e5c8639b09f

                  1. JIMJFOX says:

                    FTW! Juvenile and completely unnecessary. Except to be part of the ‘in crowd’.

                    1. CLIVE says:

                      QFT !!!

                    2. Get with it, Gramps! 😉

                      (The first time my daughter used FTW in a txt msg I was all, like, WTF!?)

                      My 3yo granddaughter called me “Dino” the other day and I said “huh?”

                      Daughter looks at me pityingly and drolly says “as in dinosaur.”

                      So now I’m studying up on all the abbreviations, fwiw.

            2. Bill Howland says:

              “Calculus to a pre-schooler”.

              Hey I’ve done Differential, Integral, Line Integrals, and Differntial Equations (4 semesters worth), with grades of A, A, B-, and A so I’m not a math wiz but I’m farmiliar with the territory.

              That is just typical of Engineering Arrogance. Moving between 1 motor and 2 on differential gearing all the while having to switch modes such as avoiding a cranking motor with just 2 clutches and an overrunning shaft (on the GEN2) is evidence of an elegant design and control, since the engine is constantly mechanically connected to the wheels even when it is OFF, and the car is running on solely battery, on when the first electric motor has to overspeed to start the engine.

              (People reading this right now probably don’t even think that is possible), however if you explain to them the issue is rather similar to driving the drive wheels around a corner, the concept is broachable and all the service techs at a dealership (even though they may have limited math backgrounds) can quickly be brought up to speed.

              Details involving intracacies of rocker arm assemblies, at various speeds, as well as fluid flow and power transfer on a torque-converter are decades old issues and are actually more sophisticated problems that thousands of mechanics have mastered even if they don’t understant the precise phyisical principles completely.

              On the last note, I don’t claim to fully understand it myself – Chyrsler Corporation perfected the device and other Mechanical Marvels with the Torque-Flight transmission in the 1950’s-1960’s. Talented mechanics had no trouble developing a working knowledge of quickly servicing and repairing such complicated and convoluted devices.

              The arrogance of GM’s engineering department was apparent to me when they refused to talk to me when I was having troubles the first two weeks of owning my VOlt.

              There are more issues with GM cars, not just the electrics, but they are tolerable – but it was a close call for me, the ELR, basically a nice car, but it has so many arrogant issues designed in that it DID take me 4 test drives of it to finally decide to get it.

              The reason for lieing was a dumb high-occupancy lane ruling (NYS never was ever fooled)and possibly also green credits if they could prove that the car is more ‘BEV’ than it really ever was.

            3. Mark Hegg says:

              I have to say the gearing that meshed two separate systems together for electric drive was a head breaker – and I worked with all kinds of machinery in my work. But the argument that GM lied and that the Gen 1 Volt was really a mechanically powered car is beyond stupid!!! As an owner I was excited to learn that a lockup under certain conditions might further increase efficiency was brilliant, even if it could rarely be used.As I live in complex terrain in a rural area I would attempt to go 71 mph on a long drive to hopefully gain an efficiency edge in hybrid mode! AND the Gen set was producing electricity at the same time! Brilliant, if complicated, engineering! Loved passing three cars on a winding road and getting to 100 mph in a very short interval knowing the cut off was 102. Nice!

            4. Mark Hegg says:

              But you missed the main point of the VOLT! Though it is a fantastic hybrid with a good electric range to boot, fun to drive, great forged aluminum suspension, and extremely trouble free, low COG, IT WAS A TEST BED for the BOLT! Throw away the engine and it became a much simpler car. THAT is why the team made it a complex electric drive. They knew where they were heading! And the Bolt is out now! Want to be a ‘purist’? Be my guest, cause it doesn’t matter! The platform will spin off to many other models over time. The rest is electric storage chemistry.

              1. Bill Howland says:

                Oh, yeah, the VOLT is very good. And I am planning on getting a BOLT, well, just because, I like electric cars with large batteries.

                But, it could be argued by someone else that the VOLT (especially GEN 2) is the far more pragmatic vehicle.

                To fully implement totally electric cars, you’d either need much, much larger batteries (like 600 kwh instead of 60, and therefore much cheaper and lighter batteries than are currently available, or else you need a lot of superfast chargers, which I have my doubts about the HIGH END of superfast charging – for the same reason – the only way that is going to be the least bit economic is for the battery price to come down.

                Someone ELSE could argue, why worry about all that crap? The VOlt just has a little toy engine it carries around until it is needed for trips and vacations, but it is substantially all electric most days. And the added weight is less than more batteries would be.

                Hard to argue with that slant on things.

          2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            ClarksonCote:

            “They published papers on their drivetrain for crying out loud, they never lied.”

            That is factually incorrect. GM lied at least three times about the Volt:

            1. The “230 MPG” lie

            2. Claiming the Volt was a pure serial hybrid

            3. Even after they admitted it’s not a pure serial hybrid, GM claimed the gas motor never directly provided power to the drivetrain.

            1. Bill Howland says:

              I know you are upset about that 230 mpg advertising, but my used 2012 volt is now up to 229 MPG over the past 18 months of driving and 250+ lifetime (I don’t know how to get a specific number out of thing).

              I know the objection is – well you have to use expensive electricity to facilitate that 230 mpg statement, but I think anyone in the market for such a car understands that, and GM’s advertising/marketing department really can be forgiven for making such a modest, and in fact, truthful claim, as long as you understand the tacit basis behind it.

              No serious person ever believed the OPPOSITE STATEMENTS: LIKE:

              “Big auto companies are in bed with the oil companies – otherwise all cars would have 500 mpg carburetors”.

              Here of course the corporation wasn’t guilty, it was only the supposition that was a lie. There is only so much stored energy in a gallon of gasoline. (125,000 BTU, or 116,000 if it has the amount of ethanol in it that we have to suffer along with here in the Northeast.

              1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

                Bill Howland said:

                “…my used 2012 volt is now up to 229 MPG over the past 18 months of driving…”

                No, it isn’t. It’s not getting 229 miles powered by one gallon of gasoline. It’s getting 229 miles powered by one gallon of gasoline plus some unspecified and unknown number of kWh of electricity from an offboard power source.

                The term “MPG” is a measure of the fuel efficiency in a vehicle. It is not a measure of how much you have to brag about driving your PHEV without ever activating the gasoline-powered generator.

                Or to put it more succinctly: That’s a fake 229 MPG, not real 229 MPG.

    4. What? They took away your EV1, too?

      I just am waiting for them to finish building the car, and stepping up with getting on board the infrastructure train!

      They have, as I recall, said GPS will come in next years (2018) cars! Is that even right?

      They did more for EV Public Charging with the EV1, as best as I can tell, than they did for the Volt, or are committed to with the Bolt EV as of yet!

      Even putting in the Aerovironment Turbocord, that offers 120V +240V would be a step up for Automakers, and so far just 1 story I read on that – was that GM? I might be wrong, but I don’t think so!

      If they even put out a press release showing a plan to install CCS DQ QC in proper publicly accessible locations, for even a few city pairs, would be some form of commitment! I woul figure, that Detroit, should at least be reachable from Chicago, Cleveland, and Oshawa (GM Canada)! Los Angeles, should be reachable from Las Vegas, Phoenix, and San Francisco; and Ney York City, from Cleveland, Nasville, and Key West, as well as Montreal! Additionally, Denver to Salt Lake City, plus about 500-800 miles East & South, & may up to Canada, would be a great start!

      Some indicators that they will work on making sure that such routes were drivable in the Bolt EV by the end of 2017, would go a long way to show they are getting on board the EV movement!

      A good start would be to have 50-80 kW pairs of CCS single standard chargers, better would be 3-4 units at 100 or 150 kW, Multi-Standard CCS + CHAdeMO, with reasonable per minute charging rates, direct credit card billing, and 80-120 mile intervals, as suited to local conditions.

      Maybe, it is time for VISA, MASTER CARD, & AMEX to partner and build out a DC Quick Charge Network! One that does direct to CC per minute billing, you think?

      1. JustWilliamPDX says:

        You over utilize the exclamation point! You put them everywhere! Gives the impression that you are inappropriately yelling or overly excited! You may want to rethink this misuse of punctuation! It makes you appear completely unhinged, despite making some credible points!

        1. Unplugged says:

          It is possible that his period key is sticky and he has to use the exclamation mark so there are not questions at the end of every sentence??!!

          1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            Nonsense!!! Everyone knows that the more exclamation points you put after your assertions, the more convincing they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            /s

        2. JIMJFOX says:

          Exactly–Terry Pratchett:
          “Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind”

    5. Wallace says:

      Your gas engine drives your car, so you should love it:)
      My Volts gas engine attached to the drivetrain exactly 2 times for 10 seconds each time, by mistake as I floored it while ev range was used up and gas generator was on. I have had Volts since 2012. 2 times in 5 years. For this you use it as a talking point.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        The Volt has been engineered to not allow the gas in its tank to age more than a year, and will engage the gas engine to burn up that gas to prevent over-aging of the fuel. Therefore, we can be pretty sure that your claim that your Volt has only activated the gas engine twice in five years isn’t true, even if you think it is.

        However, that does not in any way detract from the Volt’s virtue of being, for several years, the only true switch-hitter among PHEVs; the only car which could operate just as well as either a pure EV or as a gasmobile. That you, Wallace, apparently were not aware of it when at times your Volt activated the gas engine, is strong evidence in support of its ability to switch seamlessly from EV mode to gasmobile mode.

    6. James says:

      Really?

      After all these years, an EV truther still has a bone to pick over the Volt?!

      I thought you guys backed off a long time ago.

    7. Ziv says:

      jimi, the only people that care about the Volt genset actually driving the wheels in certain rare instances are people who already hate GM and are looking for a reason, no matter how silly, to bash it. It just doesn’t matter. If you are in electric mode, it never happens. If you are using the genset it happens rarely and since the genset is already on, who cares if it connects to the drive system or the charging of the pack?
      What a stupid post on your part. But you seem to have a lot of stupid ideas so it doesn’t surprise any of us that you have another one.

    8. Bill Howland says:

      Well, it was more of a fib, and it was only the first 18 months, and the fib improves highway mileage anyway.

      But there is this kind of ‘ON STAGE’ appearance from Mary Barra, down to the Head Enginneer, and down to all corporate people who talk about their products. You have to take what they say and meld it into the car that you are already semi familiar with.

      I wish they would talk normally, but then again I wish other people in other circumstances would talk normally.

  3. Mister G says:

    Give a hoot don’t pollute…drive an EV today!

    1. jimijonjack&jill says:

      That’s 0ld…l o l ….I was there too..

  4. ffbj says:

    We wanted a car that used a ubiquitous charging standard, which makes sense, though DCFC, which is best for long distances and is not included in the vehicle as standard. Strange logic.

    As the DCFC networks expands, (as if by magic), it’s not standard on the car though they want a network where the car can charge anywhere, as the network expands on it’s own since they are not the real owners of the car, you are, and it’s up to you to deal with the charging of it.

    Fair enough, but don’t try to make it look like what you are doing is virtuous and supportive of ev adoption when it’s not.

    Though it makes perfect sense not to take anymore liability onto yourself as a company and rely on municipalities, states, and the federal government, to build and support the charging network.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      “We wanted a car that used a ubiquitous charging standard, which makes sense, though DCFC, which is best for long distances and is not included in the vehicle as standard. Strange logic.”

      Well of course, it’s not logic, it’s marketing hype. GM decided not to make DCFC ability standard in the car, apparently to save a bit of money. That’s certainly understandable, as the Volt almost certainly wasn’t profitable in its early years of production, and GM wanted the Bolt to achieve profitability much sooner.

      But the claim that they left off the DCFC ability so that the car could have a “ubiquitous charging standard” is pure marketing hype… better known as simply B.S.

    2. As to lack of commitment on the DC QC front, even if they coordinated with cities, counties, and states, to help make well placed locations part of a planned long distance driving trip easy, it would be a start!

      Personally, I am of the opinion, that the Bolt EV is not targeting the Model 3 – or a long cross country road trip model, only targeting ‘city cars’ like the Ford Focus EV, the LEAF, the VW eGolf, the Smart EV, and the BMW i3, and is likely a much better ‘City EV’ than those examples, with less to no ‘Range Anxiety’, to quote GM’s early pitches for the Volt! (So, dropping the Smart EV from production, instead of dropping its price to 1/2 that of the Bolt EV, fits that idea!)

      In that case, not making the fast charging standard, and not getting involved with DC QC infrastructure, makes much more sense!

      If they wanted to make drivers feel good about road trips in it, since it has a best Freeway Range of 210-220 miles, and GM wanted to have buyers us it for such trips, they should be thinking of charging spots spaced at about 1/3rd the highway range: 70-73 miles. Each charging spot would initially have 2 CCS + 2 L2 EVSE, with a 1-2 year expansion expectation to double that!

      Even if, since they are shipping the first units to CA & OR, then they should be planning and announcing an execution plan, to ensure you can drive your Bolt EV from San Diego to at least Portland, and all Freeway points East, at least to those states Eastern Borders!

      Other states could be announced as planned for year 2 with the Bolt EV infrastructure, so buyers would at least have some hope of support!

      I thing GM talks proud, but they are actually not yet sure of what EV’s will do for them, or to them! Let’s see what the first 100,000 Tesla Model 3 deliveries in the US does for GM’s EV Commitment!

      Maybe that, and Tesla finishing their 2017 Supercharger expansion as planned in the US, early!

      I know this, all signs are starting to indicate, that Tesla is also making it easier for other OEMs to get onboard the Superchargers, now that user billing has been explained. The first ‘Traditional’ Auto OEM that announces they are partnering with Tesla for use of the Superchargers, will put a lot of pressure on their competitors!

      Maybe a move by the Credit Card Companies, to partner with Tesla, to expand Superchargers, now that billing will be direct to Credit Cards, would be a wakeup call!

      Imagine if the top 3 CC labels: VISA, MASTER CARD, & AMEX, made a coordinated announcement, that they would be investing, beginning immediately, 500 Million $, each, for each of the next 5 years, to support Tesla Expanding their Supercharger Network! THAT would be a Coup for Tesla, & Elon!

      Or, maybe, he should go to his roots, and connect to PayPal, and let them filter all the Cards! Or, do both!

      1. ffbj says:

        True. They made it to be a city runabout. still I think they fumbled with the DCFC.

        As far as joining the Tesla network, I tend to think Tesla is less interested in having others use their network with the advent of the M3, since parts of the sc network are already under stress, besides being the point that no one else has such a network.

      2. JyBicycleOrTesla says:

        I would love to see a family of four, with all their gears, take a long distance road trip on the model 3.

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          You’ll have to wait a year or two before we start seeing multiple reports of exactly that.

  5. bro1999 says:

    Who bought a Bolt? This guy in Maryland!

    1. SparkEV says:

      No you didn’t. You just paid for it. Until it arrives (Sunday you say?), it’s as much vapor as Tesla 3. 😉

      I don’t know how you can wait so long without losing your mind. You are a patient one.

      Looking forward to your blog post some time next week after tons of fun with it.

      1. WadeTyhon says:

        Lol Well he’ll be getting it much faster than most people outside of Cali or Oregon!

        I don’t know about bro1999 but I have wanted a Bolt since january 2015 before it was officially even a production car. What is 2 or 3 extra weeks for shipping lol?

        1. SparkEV says:

          Well, if he didn’t mind waiting bit longer and few extra miles on the car, I would’ve personally delivered it to him by driving it there for free. Of course, it would have to be the some summer (not first summer) after enough CCS across US to do that.

  6. Chris O says:

    Who’s buying the Bolt? Well, that would have to be people who are not easily fazed by some pretty horrible value loss. The reasons I expect residual value to be disappointing are:

    – no quick charge capabilities even worth the name are available, try sell that 4 years down the line when 350KW charging may have become the norm.

    -it’s priced similar to Model 3 where the market will no doubt expect it to be considerably cheaper once that car is available.

    Together I would expect that to add at least another $15K of depreciation on top of the regular depreciation over the next 4 years.

    My advice would be: lease, don’t buy.

      1. Chris O says:

        Your DC “F” C isn’t actually fast, it’s up to 37% charge in 30 minutes which isn’t fast by any reasonable measure where the industry appears to be moving towards 80% charges in less than 20 minutes pretty quickly.

        IMO GM might have futureproved Bolt a bit more by making it at least 150KW compatible but as things stand all Bolt has to offer is a curiously low 50KW performance from 80KW output.

        1. BenG says:

          It’s fantasy to think that 350 kw fast charge will be standard in 4 years.

          The Bolt’s 80 kw fast charge is not bad at all. If 150 kw becomes standard in the near future, then maybe GM can upgrade during a mid-cycle refresh, or maybe it will wait until Gen 2 Bolt. Either way, no big deal. The way the CCS rollout is going so far it will be a decade before long distance travel is commonly available for that standard across much of the US.

          1. Chris O says:

            Wide scale 350KW infrastructure will start to be rolled out this year in Europe and Chargepoint calls it’s new 400KW charger future proof for only the next 10 years.

            That doesn’t mean that 350KW charging will be ubiquitous in 4 years but I do expect things to have moved far beyond the 50-80KW Bolt performance which I’m sure will negatively impact Bolt residual values severely.

            Hence my lease, don’t buy advice.

            1. Someone out there says:

              Just because the charger can deliver 350 kW max doesn’t mean the car can take it. Any battery won’t charge at much more than 2C and even that only when the battery is almost empty. After 50% it will start to taper down.

            2. BenG says:

              “Wide scale 350KW infrastructure will start to be rolled out this year in Europe”

              I’ll believe it when I see it.

              “Hence my lease, don’t buy advice.”

              That’s reasonable advice if you must have a new EV. I’d personally advise buying a low mileage used plug-in for cash if you can do so. That’s what I did this past year, acquiring a 2012 Volt in pristine shape with 34,000 miles on it for $14,000.

    1. bro1999 says:

      By your logic, ALL current EVsare horrible buys, since none can charge at 350 kW.

      1. ffbj says:

        Yeah, for you be driving it right now. DCFC does not to be super fast for most of the time you will just charge at home or work.
        Happy for you and enjoy your brand new Bolt.

      2. JyBicycleOrTesla says:

        Don’t bring logic into this pissing match.

      3. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        “By your logic, ALL current EVsare horrible buys, since none can charge at 350 kW.”

        Thank you for that reality check.

        It certainly gets tiresome reading all the criticisms being thrown at the Bolt, when those same criticisms could just as easily be thrown at every other EV now on the market!

        Is the Bolt perfect and better that every other car ever made in every single way? No. But then, neither is any other car.

        The Bolt is a compelling EV, and I feel confident that GM will easily sell as many as it makes.

        I also feel confident that the only reasons the Bolt won’t sell even more are that (A) the number of battery packs GM can get from LG Chem is limited, and (B) due to oversupply of the Volt in its early years of production, GM is being cautious about the number it plans to make.

        1. Chris O says:

          I think it’s important that people realize that in its hurry to beat Tesla to the market with a lower priced long range EV GM largely dispensed with one “small” detail: quick charging. GM isn’t interested in getting involved in building the infrastructure a car like Bolt needs and has limited Bolt’s quick charge specs largely to the 50KW infrastructure that’s currently available (technically it’s 80KW capable but without the performance one would expect from even that sort of output).

          Consumers should be careful not to risk a prematurely obsolete product like that depreciating on them like last year’s laptop hence my advice: lease, don’t buy!

          1. BenG says:

            Why do you say the 80 KW charging capacity of the Bolt is in reality more like 50 KW? Have you seen tests done with it on a charger capable of delivering 80 KW? I sure haven’t. Please give us a link if you know of one.

      4. Chris O says:

        So lease, don’t buy any offerings that are not adequately futureproved.

        The alternative is to just hemorrhage money on cars that will be prematurely obsolete…

    2. JustWilliamPDX says:

      Comparing Bolt’s price today with the Model 3’s projected price at some point in the future is a bit premature. The average Model 3, and ALL of the early build vehicles will be considerably more expensive than the Bolt according to Tesla’s own projections. Once the Model 3 is available at prices close to the Bolt, count on GM lowering the base price and/or aggressively discounted leases to meet their sales targets. It’s just the way GM does business.

      1. BenG says:

        Yep, no doubt.

        Pricing on the Bolt seems pretty good for now: people seem excited to buy them and they are selling as fast as they can deliver.

        In the future when there is actually competition that has 200+ mile range retailing under $40,000, by then GM will have made some of it’s initial investment back, will have ironed out any bugs, and can ramp up volume and cut price.

        Sure, it’s a niche vehicle right now at this price, but it’s a solid play by GM to get the ball rolling on a semi-affordable long-range EV.

        1. Chris O says:

          I do expect GM to up charging specs and lower price once it’s up against more compelling offerings like Model 3 but how does that help early Bolt adopters? The value of their cars will only drop even faster….

          Lease, don’t buy!

  7. Forever Green says:

    I don’t know if the Chevy Bolt is a compliance car, but what I do know is it takes over an hour and a half to charge it to 80% at a 50 kilowatt supercharger. That’s a show stopper. If you want to see where the future of electric vehicles’s are going, look to Tesla.

    1. ClarksonCote says:

      Just curious, how long do you think a Tesla takes to charge at a 50kW fast charger?

      Bolt is capable of using up to 80kW. They have specified times in a conservative fashion given today’s existing infrastructure.

    2. JustWilliamPDX says:

      It is not a compliance car any more or less than a Nissan Leaf, Tesla, or any vehicle sold in all 50 states. Along with “Vaporware”, “Compliance Car” is an often misused term, used as an insult by the ignorant.

    3. Mikael says:

      How do you know that?

      By the way, has anone seen any charging videos with the Bolt yet? Or plotted graphs of charging?
      I would love to see some. Both on 50 kW chargers and 100 kW chargers.

      1. BenG says:

        Is there such a thing as a 100 kw CCS charger in real life?

      2. SparkEV says:

        Charging plot here. It may not be entirely correct since it seems slower than SparkEV in power. Could be bad charger.

        https://boltev.blogspot.com/2017/01/dc-fast-charge-data.html

  8. So Sialist says:

    I think for Europe, this is a GREAT car. For the US, as you all need to travel long distance (or you think you have to) I don’t know. There should be a CSS/Chademo network, but hey if you were a socialist state like all the European countries you would have had one for sure …;-)

    1. JustWilliamPDX says:

      “Or think you have to”.

      Precisely. While there are certainly large swaths of very rural North America, Millions of use live in fairly condensed urban areas where even the current crop of sub 100 mile range are more than serviceable. When I got my Spark EV, I assumed I would rent an ICEV if I needed to drive long distance, or haul large loads. As it turned out, letting friends and family drive my EV paid off, as so many are eager to trade vehicles when I need to. I’ve also taken the train a few times. There are so many alternatives available, yet “range anxiety” remains a psychological stumbling block for far too many people.

      The upside to this is that as vehicle ranges
      increase, quick charging improves, and infrastructure matures, these early EVs will be incredibly inexpensive to purchase and operate. When my lease is up in May 2018, its going to be hard for me to justify leasing an expensive new one!

      1. BenG says:

        Used Leafs are already pretty amazingly inexpensive and affordable to operate, but yeah, that will only improve in the coming several years as the next gen EVs like Bolt, Model 3, and Gen 2 Leaf become widely available.

  9. Texas FFE says:

    The Bolt not being designed to tow is turning into a real problem for me. If the Bolt had light towing capabilities I could consider replacing both my FFE and my SUV. The Bolt is a great car but with no towing I would still need a tow vehicle or I would lose all towing capabilities.

    I looked into just buying the available Class I trailer hitch and then just risking some occasional light towing but just adding trailer lights looks like a challenge. Most cars including the FFE have the rear lights in the rear quarter panels but the Bolt has the rear lights in the rear hatch. Trying to tie into those hatch lights might be practically impossible.

    My FFE isn’t rated for towing either but you can buy a tough Class I hitch and a custom trailer wiring harness for it. If I put a trailer hitch on my FFE I’m still stuck with needing a second vehicle because of the limited range. I might have to wait to upgrade my FFE until some non-Tesla manufacturer comes out with a long range BEV with real towing capabilities.

    1. SparkEV says:

      If Ford releases the new FFE with 120 miles range, you could potentially install a tow bar. I doubt Ford will make towing official, though.

      If not, you might have to bite the bullet and get Tesla 3 in 3 years. They will be late!

    2. Texas FFE says:

      I think I’ve got it figured out. I have a Fusion Energi that my wife drives and there’s a Class II hitch and a trailer wiring harness available for the Fusion Energi. I can use the Fusion Energi for my light towing and replace my FFE and my SUV with a Bolt.

  10. Get Real says:

    TFFE won’t get a Tesla even if though it is superior in every way including towing because of his ideological hatred against Tesla.

    Kind of like the EV owners who voted against their own (and the planet’s) best interests when they voted for the Trumpster.

    1. Texas FFE says:

      More like fear of Tesls, not hatred. Tesla has systematically forced out competition, that makes Tesla owners very vulnerable. If I buy into Chevrolet or Ford I can always switch brands or buy aftermarket if I’m unhappy but Tesla forces owners to buy Tesla regardless of cost or restrictions.

  11. Craig Capurso says:

    The only problem I can’t get over is it is a Chevy

    1. CLIVE says:

      Craig maybe you can re-badge it LG.

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        You still won’t buy it…

        Do you know why they make it a compliance car? Because A-holes like you who won’t buy it so there is not enough demand!

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