Watch Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn’s Presentation On Autonomy, Next LEAF To Get 200+ Miles

5 months ago by Jay Cole 148

Nissan’s CEO Carlos Ghosn was at CES 2017 in Las Vegas and made a keynote speech and presentation on “how Nissan Intelligent Mobility is helping Nissan realize its vision of the future”, but also promised to “announce several technology advancements and partnerships that will benefit consumers”.

Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn in the first of two presentations this week (next is Monday in Detroit for NAIAS)

Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn in the first of two presentations this week (next is Monday in Detroit for NAIAS)

The CEO has been coy when asked by the media directly about how much (if any) new EV-related content will be part of the CES show, stating that he “want(s) people to go to the show” to find out.

“At Nissan. We don’t just imagine. We do.”

Could this be the event the CEO delivers the much anticipated Nissan LEAF upgrade announcement to the stage?

Technically, there is a 50/50 shot as the Nissan, Renault, Mitsubishi boss is also putting on a show next Monday in Detroit for the 2017 NAIAS as well.

Answer: No it was not, but rather the introduction of “Seamless Autonomous Mobility”, although we got a look at a modified LEAF for that program, and a promise to see “a new LEAF” shortly, and some foreshadowing on the specs (below).

We are at CES this week to follow-up on this story and any new details, but more importantly, we will be in Detroit next Monday for the “big show”/NAIAS to catch the follow-up Ghosn stage performance.

Nissan Intelligent Mobility LEAF Debuts

Nissan Intelligent Mobility LEAF Debuts

You can also find the whole press blast on autonomy below, but here is the part of interest in regards to the LEAF.

Update (Jan 6th, hat tip to Pete): More demonstration videos added below

A new Nissan LEAF will be coming in the near future. The model will be equipped with ProPILOT technology, enabling autonomous drive functionality for single-lane highway driving.  This new LEAF will build on the company’s leadership in electric vehicles, which includes more than 250,000 Nissan LEAFs sold worldwide since 2010. The new LEAF represents the next chapter of Nissan Intelligent Power.”

On the next LEAF specifically,  Takao Asami, Nissan’s senior VP of research and advanced engineering, said ahead of the Ghosn speech, that when the next LEAF does arrive, it will have “above 200 miles” of range, and the company is targeting 150 kW charge rates in the future.

Asami also offered that different size batteries and ranges might be offered between North America, Europe, and Asia – which not incidentally are regions Nissan has separate LEAF production facilities for.

During the show Nissan also referenced some additional generalized LEAF information:

Announcing the New Nissan LEAF: The Next Chapter in Nissan Intelligent Power

Autonomous Nissan LEAF

Autonomous Nissan LEAF

On stage at CES, Ghosn announced plans to launch a new Nissan LEAF, with ProPILOT technology, enabling autonomous drive functionality for single-lane highway driving.  The new LEAF is coming in the near future and represents the next chapter of Nissan Intelligent Power.

The new LEAF will build on Nissan’s industry-leading position in electric vehicles (EVs). In 2010, Nissan was the first carmaker to introduce an all-electric vehicle to the mass market. Today, the Nissan LEAF is the world’s best-selling EV with more than 250,000 units sold and more than 3 billion kilometers travelled, a distance to get to Saturn and back. In the process, the LEAF has prevented the emission of 497,227 tons of CO2. That is the equivalent of the emissions made by more than 52,000 homes a year in the United States.

To advance zero-emission mobility today, Nissan is proactively focusing on vehicle electrification by diversifying electric powertrains and fuel systems to adopt multiple fuel and energy sources to meet different market and customer needs. In addition to Nissan’s core EV technology, Nissan has a diverse range of EV-based technologies in its portfolio. These technologies include e-Power (series-hybrid) and e-bio fuel cell electric vehicles. The new Nissan Note, also available with e-POWER powertrain, launched in Japan in the fall of 2016, became the best-selling model in the market in November.”

Nissan LEAF doing its thing autonomously

Nissan LEAF doing its thing autonomously

Nissan Press Release:

Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn announces at CES breakthrough technologies and partnerships to deliver zero-emissions, zero-fatality mobility

LAS VEGAS – In his 2017 Consumer Electronics Show (CES) keynote, Nissan chairman of the board and chief executive officer Carlos Ghosn announced several technologies and partnerships as part of the Nissan Intelligent Mobility blueprint for transforming how cars are driven, powered, and integrated into wider society. These technologies will advance mobility toward a zero-emission, zero-fatality future on the roads.

“At Nissan, from the beginning, we work to bring the right technologies for the full spectrum of our vehicles and the most amount of people,” said Ghosn in his keynote. “This takes more than innovation. It takes ingenuity. And it’s exactly what we deliver through Nissan Intelligent Mobility.”

Ghosn made five key announcements, which were further demonstrated on stage:

  • To accelerate the time it will take for autonomous vehicles to get on the road safely, Ghosn announced a breakthrough technology called “Seamless Autonomous Mobility,” or SAM. Developed from NASA technology, SAM partners in-vehicle artificial intelligence (AI) with human support to help autonomous vehicles make decisions in unpredictable situations and build the knowledge of in-vehicle AI. This technology could potentially enable millions of driverless cars to co-exist with human drivers in an accelerated timeline. It is part of Nissan Intelligent Integration.
  • Taking the carmaker’s autonomous drive strategy another step further, Ghosn announced that leading a Renault-Nissan Alliance engagement, Nissan and Japanese internet company DeNA will begin tests aimed at developing driverless vehicles for commercial services. The first phase of testing will begin this year in designated zones in Japan, with a focus on technology development. By 2020, Nissan and DeNA plan to expand the scope of their tests to include the commercial usage of driverless technology for mobility services in the Tokyo metropolitan area.
  • In addition to advancements in Nissan’s autonomous driving strategy, Ghosn also announced plans to launch a new Nissan LEAF, with ProPILOT technology, enabling autonomous drive functionality for single-lane highway driving. This new LEAF will build on the company’s leadership in electric vehicles, which includes having sold more than 250,000 Nissan LEAFs sold worldwide since 2010. Ghosn said the new LEAF is coming in the near future and represents the next chapter of Nissan Intelligent Power.
  • On connected cars, which combine Nissan Intelligent Driving and Nissan Intelligent Integration, Ghosn announced that the Renault-Nissan Alliance is continuing its partnership with Microsoft to build the next generation of connected car technologies. The keynote included a demonstration of how Microsoft’s personal assistant technology Cortana can make driving more efficient and seamless. Cortana is one of the technologies that the Alliance and Microsoft are exploring together.
  • To support the policy environment and planning needed to integrate these technologies into the world’s cities, Ghosn announced a new partnership with 100 Resilient Cities – Pioneered by The Rockefeller Foundation (100RC). 100RC is a global non-profit working to help cities build resilience to physical, social and economic challenges. Together, Nissan and 100RC will help cities lay the groundwork for autonomous drive, electric vehicles, and new mobility services. Nissan is 100RC’s first automotive platform partner.

“We invite others to join us, as well, from tech partners to e-commerce companies, ride-hailing and car-sharing platforms, and social entrepreneurs who can help us to test and develop new vehicles and services, and make sure everyone has access to the latest technologies and services that bring value to their lives,” said Ghosn.

Via GreenCarReports

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149 responses to "Watch Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn’s Presentation On Autonomy, Next LEAF To Get 200+ Miles"

  1. CLIVE says:

    Bring-it Carlos !!!

    1. EV_Drive says:

      They brought the threat of a new Leaf and the horrible news that they are partnering with MSFT Cortana for a personal assistant in my car. Only problem is 80% of smart phones run on Google Android which would have been a much better choice. I would have liked my car to sync with Google maps, calendar and my android phone to SMS etc. What a letdown. Faraday Future had a much more interesting presentation.

      1. VFanRJ says:

        Cortana runs on Android

      2. bogdan says:

        Android is a not a serious operating system.
        It may be enough for small devices, but not for serious business.
        Fortunately windows can communicate with android. That’s because windows is the only serious operating system and can do everything u want. Unlike IOS and android.

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          bogdan said:

          “…windows is the only serious operating system…”

          Speaking as a computer programmer, you’re obviously not a computer programmer.

        2. trololo says:

          What a scientific demonstration.

          Android is based on Linux which is present on embedded systems up to server farms.
          iOS is mainly a BSD + Apple APIs & GUI. BSD is part of Unix family, like Linux.
          All of this thanks to opensource software and opensource minded people …

          Google & Apple are targeting car mobility, thus, I’m not worried about the scalability of their system.

          Please, stop summoning arguments from the air.

        3. tosho says:

          Android is basically Linux. Call it “not a serious operating system” and a lot of people will laugh at you …

          1. gizmo84 says:

            Exactly, all Teslas Model S and X are based off of Linux as well.

          2. That Android utilizes a stripped down Linux kernel, doesn’t make it “basically Linux”. Whatever ressources is spared using the kernel, is more than wasted by the VM, which ressource wise, is a dog.

            Personally I would investigate Project Mer and Qt Automotive Framework.

        4. John says:

          LOL! I’m a software engineer and most programmers in my company are using Ubuntu (or some other Linux) and OS X. Everyone laughs at Windows.

      3. bogdan says:

        An autonomous vehicle needs much computing power. These systems are coming close to AI.

        Only operation system which can manage large computing power and engineering software is windows.
        Or do u have an andoid computer at home or at work?
        IOS is also only for playing. No serious software or engineering is running on IOS.
        Beside, the apple computers are the most expensive but also the weakest, when it comes to performance.

        1. Michael L. says:

          If you take a look at the realy powerfull computer systems, you will notice that none of them runs with MS Windows 😉

          Windows is IMHO the best multi purpose system, but surely not the best for number crunching or massively parallel cluster systems…

        2. trololo says:

          Look at my previous comment …

        3. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          It is possible to write computer programs in a robust manner, so they are not full of bugs and don’t crash frequently. Commercial software is rarely written that way, because it’s more expensive and takes more time and care. Software written with that level of robustness and reliability is more typically found running, for example, military systems. Speaking as a computer programmer, Windows is so far away from that standard that it’s laughable.

          If software runs a device upon which peoples’ lives depend, then that software needs to be written in a robust and bug-free manner. And not depend on a program like Windows, a notorious example of code bloat, and a piece of software which crashes with embarrassing frequency.

          1. Yogurt says:

            As one of my computer teachers once said Microsoft is not a computer or software company they are a marketing company that exists to sell you the next version…

        4. Joan says:

          LOL, you’re cute.

          Does mommy know that you’re using her laptop?

        5. przemo_li says:


          Tesla have Ubuntu (that’s Linux, so Ubuntu and Android are close cousins) as their OS for Infotainment systems.

          All infotainment systems in cars run aither Linux or some Unix derivative or some realtime OS.

          No Windows, there.

          But infotainment is NOT mission critical part of the car, so car oems can get away with using consumer focused OS there (tailored to their needs that is!).

          AI chips thus run either under custom build Linux or real time OS.

          Still no Windows.

          In fact never heard of Windows used in cars….

          So plese enlighten us with even single car where Windows is used as platform for anything but Infotainment…

        6. przemo_li says:

          Argument here is about Infotainment system. That’s what Android Car and Apple Car systems are all about.

          Easy of use. Good UX. Good ecosystem.

          Mission critical subsystems (like AI for autonomous driving) use most likely real time OS … or Linux.

          By the way Linux is used to power both big exchanges (e.g. NYSE) – latency sensitive systems, and big server farms (e.g. LHC) – throughput sensitive systems.

          You go big, You go small, You go embeded, apliance, fast or slow. Linux is there.

          (Though of course its NOT always Android OS – which have it’s own set of tradeoffs that make it good suited for some task and badly performing others).

        7. no comment says:

          one issue with autonomous vehicle technology is the inability to anticipate every possible scenario. so when you hit an unanticipated scenario, the results are unpredictable. i know, the techie fanboys here believe that the software developers are so smart that they will anticipate *every* scenario…sure, that’s like 100 years ago when people thought that the titanic was unsinkable.

          the other issue is the network. if you put a large number of autonomous vehicles out there, that is a huge amount of traffic going into a cloud network, traffic, which is not going to be evenly distributed. it’s one thing when you experience network delays when using a computer; it is a completely different thing when there is a network delay in a car that is moving at a speed of 100 feet per second. and God forbid if some hacker launches a denial of service attack into the cloud…

          this is not to say that autonomous vehicles will *never* be deployed. instead, it means that there will have to be extensive regulations that require the installation of safeguards. that will take time, and the technology will undoubtedly be able to move faster than can the regulatory framework to control the use of that technology; and yes, i would expect that the techie fanboys will get impatient. but this involves issues of public safety, so the deployment of this technology will have to be closely controlled.

          1. trololo says:

            That’s why Tesla and certainly others are using machine learning, so that the software can work correctly in every situation.

            1. no comment says:

              you have too much faith in artificial intelligence. “machine learning” does not work by magic, it is a rule-based process. ultimately, the software that implements the rules is written by people.

        8. tosho says:

          Yep, you are continuing to embarrass yourself…

          There are satellites, navy warships and nuclear submarines that run on Linux.

          And iOS is based on FreeBSD Unix.

  2. Pete says:

    50/50 shot? Then I bet next week in Detroit.

    1. Jedlacks says:

      50/50 shot means he might or might not….lol

  3. Brent says:

    I think its just gonna be more stuff about self driving cars in 2020. it seems they wanna wait a build to leaf with current range but 10k cheaper than current leaf, and some kind of better fast charge in 2020.

    1. no comment says:

      self driving is not going to be on the scene in 2020. tesla is out there because they are ahead of the regulations that are definitely on the way. some of the techie fanboys on this forum think that everything is ready to go for high volume deployment of self driving technology, but people who are in the know are aware of the limitations of this stuff, and as the regulatory review ramps up, they will no doubt be called to provide testimony.

  4. Josh Bryant says:

    What is Ghosn on at CES?

  5. Gazza says:

    I am calling NAIAS for Leaf 2.0

  6. JyBicycleOrTesla says:

    New leaf with multiple battery pack options, up to 300 miles.

    1. Trollnonymous says:

      Nice Dream!
      😛

  7. Pete says:

    Doesn’t work?

    1. Jay Cole says:

      There was some issues with Nissan YT livestream, using Periscope (stream just added) as a substitute now

  8. SparkEV says:

    WTF? First the delay (like Tesla), then fail (like FF). It’s not looking good!

    1. SparkEV says:

      I waited so long for… THIS?!?! It’s utter fail, just like their Youtube stream. I’m a little less impressed with Ghosn than before. What happened to that brilliant CEO of the past?

      1. Yogurt says:

        +1 and they are not even a startup…
        + a gizillion techies at CES cant stream a video…

        1. Just_Chris says:

          This doesn’t bode well for the future, you can just imagine:

          “We’re sorry the unmanned leaf ran down your wife at the road works today. The car stopped when it found itself in an unrecognised road condition. Unfortunatly the call centre operative commanded the leaf to run her down. We’re really sorry but no one in Nissan or our partners, NASA, knows how to get the car to transmit live video footage. The car has world leading AI so we’re hoping it will figure it out for us.”

  9. JyBicycleOrTesla says:

    What a lousy presentation. Carlos should have stayed home.

  10. ModernMarvelFan says:

    Nissan is also streaming it from its facebook page feed..

  11. ModernMarvelFan says:

    LOL. Configurable…

    Great! Now we will have swappable hood/wheel/color…

  12. Pete says:

    So they announce the new Leaf with ProPilot! Want to see the car in Detroit, hurry up Nissan.

  13. ModernMarvelFan says:

    One cool thing so far!

    I am biased for Windows OS as far as Cortana is concerned.

    So, my windows phone will work with the new Nissan!

    1. JyBicycleOrTesla says:

      But, you’ll never buy a Nissan.

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        If they build a PHEV version of the GTR, I might be highly interested in buying one.

        Or a PHEV version of the new pathfinder.

        A 250 miles BEV version of the LEAF that beats BOLT in performance and has liquid cooling would get my money as well.

        1. JyBicycleOrTesla says:

          Basically, you’re not buying a Nissan.

          1. ModernMarvelFan says:

            Well, I am not buying an inferior product if that is what you mean.

            If Nissan makes a competitive enough product, I will buy it. I don’t choose a product based on brand alone. I choose it based on spec, range, performance, safety and value.

            1. Rob Stark says:

              So,basically, you are never going to buy a Nissan. LOL.

              1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                So, you are saying that Nissan will never make a competitive product?

                If that is true, then I will have never buy a Nissan.

                But I have more hopes than you do. I will give Nissan a fair chance if their future products are good enough.

                “Never” is a word too strong for me on any brands…

    2. TimE says:

      I used to be a huge Microsoft fan, not so much anymore. Win 8 and 10 are both worse than 7. Cortana is a flop, and a MS OS for a car may lead to a blue screen of crash.

      This entire Nissan presentation was about concepts still a few years out, nothing for today or the near term. I’m extremely disappointed and certainly hope they have something up their sleeve for NAIAS.

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        Agree that window 8 and 10 aren’t better than 7.

        Cortana is nice. It is a flop not because it isn’t good. It is because windows phone OS isn’t wide spread.

        I like it a lot in my windows phone. But I am in the minority of smartphone users.

        1. John says:

          Windows Phone is dead.

          1. Vik says:

            I really hope not because the lack of competition in smartphones is making everything more expensive. I walked into an ATT store the other day to find out they don’t carry HTC, Motorola, Sony, Google or any of the Chinese phone brands. The store has a wall for Samsung and Apple where the average phone costs above $600. There were a few LG phones and Microsoft phones that were somewhat affordable, but they were hidden away in a corner of the store. Long gone are the days when you could get a decent phone for sub $400. I’m still holding on to my Nokia Lumia 920, that I bought 4 and a half years ago, for being that old it has qi wireless charging, a polarizing screen for outdoor use and a sensitive screen that works with gloves in winter. Honestly, I don’t understand the hate windows phone gets, unlike its desktop counterpart windows phone, has proven to be very stable and secure, and the OS doesn’t use as much resources as iOS or Android making my 4-year-old phone still last for about 2 days without a charge. Another example is the HTC m8 where the windows version of the phone had a 2.25 times longer use time than the Android version on their own spec sheets. The App gap problem still discourages the use of the OS, but it isn’t as big of a problem as people make it out to be. Most major financial institutions have apps out for windows, and many social apps have awesome 3rd party apps developed by a dedicated community of developers to the point that even when a 1st party app is released people still use the 3rd party app which is sometimes an issue. Competition is always a good thing and having Apple,s monopoly of iOS, and Samsung’s 84% share of Android isn’t the best for anybody’s wallets and I hope that won’t be the status quo going into the future.

      2. Gasbag says:

        You gotta laugh that although they partnered with MSFT the three computers in front of their engineer were all AAPL.

        1. bogdan says:

          No engineer on this planet is using apple for his work. Only windows.
          Apple is good for playing poker stars online and stuff, but that’s about it.

          1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            Do you work for Microsoft or something?

            I know engineers, as well as computer geeks, who wouldn’t be caught dead using an operating system as poor as Windows.

            Windows was written to hold the hand of people who are only semi computer-literate, and make things easy for them. It’s not for serious computing. No supercomputer runs on Windows! If you want to talk about a “serious” operating system, then talk about something like Linux.

            1. Vik says:

              Honestly Mac OS, and Linux don’t make sense because a lot of the applications aren’t available at least in the engineering field, for things like CADing, FEAs, and Simulations. Things get even worse for Automation software and HMIs that go with PLCs. At minimum you need a virtual Machine with Windows 7, 10 or XP to get any work done. Maybe Computer Scientists work on Linux, and Graphic Designers on Macs, but Engineers are in a Windows world and that isn’t changing anytime soon.

              1. Mr. M says:

                +1. That is true.

            2. ModernMarvelFan says:

              Most EE/ME engineering SW are still running on windows.

              At least in most hardware engineering offices, you will find plenty of Windows machines.

          2. Gasbag says:

            Dude, Real engineers use some form of Unix. Windows is for bean counters and wanabes.

            1. bogdan says:

              Dude, u are not an engineer!
              Programmers work on UNIX.

    3. Aaron says:

      Windows… Phone? You’re one of the 1%! (of people who use Windows Phone)

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        Yes, and not a “good” 1% group to be in.

        I feel the “discrimination” at App store or any phone store for sure. When I walk in asking for an accessories, all the teenie popper sales staff all look at me that I am an alien somehow… Some will try to get to switch to a different phone.

        Yes, I don’t buy smartphones often, but when I do, it is a Nokia running windows!

        1. JyBicycleOrTesla says:

          1% phone user, 1% car buyer, 1% solar owner.

          You, my friend, are the 1%er I’ve been hearing on the news.

  14. ModernMarvelFan says:

    Lame…

    No real news on the new LEAF.

    1. Brandon says:

      I wouldn’t call it no real news when Nissan themselves have now said:

      “The new LEAF is coming in the near future and represents the next chapter of Nissan Intelligent Power.”

      That’s some solid, real, soon to be reality news. Can’t wait!!

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        We knew that new LEAF is coming. That is not news.

        Seeing a new LEAF prototype would be news.

        1. Brandon says:

          Yeah, but it wasn’t known when it was coming. Predictions of timeframes have been from next week, to Spring 2017, to Fall 2017.

          Near future likely means next week at Detroit.

          1. ModernMarvelFan says:

            Nobody knows for sure.

            Near future can mean a lot of things.

            By the length of the current model, any release in 2017 is already overdue.

            1. Brandon says:

              Well I would say near future is for sure not Fall 2017.

              True, Nissan has had the current style LEAF for 6 years now, but that is a normal number of years on one generation of body style. And as far as range is concerned, the 2016 LEAF at 107 miles had been the highest for affordable EVs in 2016. It’s only for the MY2017 that the i3 and Ioniq and e Golf have bumped up above the 107 miles that the LEAF has had all of 2016.

              So in some ways it seems long, in others ways not.

              1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                6 years without major redesign is a long time.

                Bolt is here and has been shown for 2 years now.

                Model 3 prototype has been shown.

                Other EV upgrades are here. Nissan isn’t being a leader right now.

                You are giving them more credits than it deserves for being called a “leader”.

                “near future” in Mitsubishi’s Outlander PHEV term is pretty much “never” for the US market”. Now that Nissan combines with Mitsubishi, I hope it didn’t pick up that “germ”…

                1. Brandon says:

                  It could be argued that presenting the LEAF is a different thing than presenting the Outlander. A current product that will not have a better update announced much before it arrives, versus a new product that doesn’t matter like the Outlander, Model 3, and Bolt. All those are new products.

                  For all practical purposes, Nissan is the leader in affordable Evs.

                  1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

                    “For all practical purposes, Nissan is the leader in affordable Evs.”

                    The Leaf’s share of the PEV market has dropped off quite a bit over the last year or two. If it is still the market leader, it definitely won’t be much longer, unless Nissan does something drastic… like actually putting an active thermal management system into the next generation Leaf.

                    Another current article here at InsideEVs says the next-gen Leaf will be “air cooled”, so apparently that’s not gonna happen.

                    If the EV revolution is a horse race, then the Leaf is flagging and is rapidly being overtaken by horses in second and third place.

                    I really can’t understand why Nissan has let its lead slip away like this. I find Nissan’s inertia, its utter lack of effort to advance its EV tech, to be frankly shocking.

                    1. Lou says:

                      P-P: I highly doubt that Nissan has let the others take the lead without having some quality competition in the wings. It just doesn’t seem to be Gohsn’s style. My guess is that they have been working on a worthy LEAF II replacement, were a bit surprised by the Bolt’s quick emergence onto the scene, but have their own 200+ mile car that won’t disappoint.

        2. Gasbag says:

          …maybe you did see it. Maybe that IDS is the new leaf.

          1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

            It is next Leaf, but I doubt it is exactly production model.

  15. Pete says:

    There was an interview on a other website, Asami confirmed:
    – over 200 miles for the Leaf
    – LG price of 145$ didn’t surprise
    – pack will be air cooled
    – Pro Pilot
    – different battery sizes

    1. floydboy says:

      An air cooled 200 mile pack?! Is that wise>!

      1. DJ says:

        No. You would think they would have learned. Maybe it is fine for the UK market but not the US. If it is truly air cooled sadly I definitely won’t be getting a Nissan Leaf 2.0. Well maybe a lease if the price is right but that’s it.

        1. ModernMarvelFan says:

          They claim that they got the “special chemistry” that would work.

          We will see.

          Almost all long range BEV leaders (Tesla, Bolt, BMW) are all using liquid cooling. They can’t be all wrong since liquid cooling add cost.

          Also, if you want better charging speed, liquid cooling is important.

          1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            ModernMarvelFan said:

            “Also, if you want better charging speed, liquid cooling is important.”

            Exactly.

            Even if Nissan has solved the problem of premature aging of the battery pack in hot weather, lack of active cooling will still sharply limit the rate at which the pack can be charged.

            That simply isn’t going to be competitive with the new generation of PEVs.

            1. Doggydogworld says:

              “…lack of active cooling….”

              Air-cooling can be active cooling.

              1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                Yes… Even some liquid cooling is basically air cooling at the radiator.

                But liquid cooling has far higher thermal capacity at the point of the cell which is hard to create with air cooling.

                I know that eNV200 has “active air cooling” which is better than the LEAF’s “passive air cooling”. But in a hot climate and fast charging, it could be limiting issue.

        2. SparkEV says:

          Air cooled could mean they chill the air from the AC before blowing it over the battery with fan, unlike sealed pack that is in Leaf now. Yeah, I’m still holding out hope that Ghosn would do the right thing.

          1. Aaron says:

            That’s what Mitsubishi did with the i-MiEV. Under normal conditions, the battery pack is passively (read: air) cooled. During fast charging, it would turn on the A/C and direct the output to the battery pack (2012 SE only; 2014 and 2016 models).

            1. ModernMarvelFan says:

              I would be okay with it if that is what Nissan will do.

              We will see.

      2. tosho says:

        So the Model3 remains the only 200 mile affordable BEV that will be able to charge with over 100kW for the next 4-5 years. (if Hyundai put a 45kWh battery in the Ioniq they might get 200 miles and 100kW charging)
        Nissan, GM and etc. make it quite easy for me to pick my next car 🙂 And I would be curious to know if there is a spike in Model3 reservations after each of those “it will be 200 miles but it won’t have X” anouncements in the last months.

        1. Mr. M says:

          In my world 150 kW charging is faster than 100 kW charging, so why is Nissan put out?

        2. ModernMarvelFan says:

          “(if Hyundai put a 45kWh battery in the Ioniq they might get 200 miles and 100kW charging)”

          And how much faster is that 100kW over the 80kW Bolt?

          Both are limited to the 50kW stations in the real world.

          Even Model 3 charging speed is unknown. An older S60 tops out at 90kW on the 135kW SC station.

  16. Trollnonymous says:

    That was pretty limp.

    So their SAM, if it encounters something, a remote human intervention is required?
    Then why not just drive the dang car!

    1. Hugh says:

      Is there market demand for IDS? Or is this a solution looking for a problem?

  17. William says:

    Any “near future” statement, from Carlos G., has got to be the most underwhelming response I have heard uttered by him to date so far. The Chevy Bolt is now about to eat the Nissan Leaf for Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner, while the “near future” arrives whenever, for the Leaf 2.0. The CES event was a rather large missed opportunity, by Nissan, in the competitive EV big launch picture.

    1. ModernMarvelFan says:

      I will give Nissan another chance at NAIAS.

      After that, it would be hard for me to give them another pass.

      1. William says:

        At this point, I guess I kind have to give “The Old Gosh” a second chance to come up with at least some kind Leaf refresh. He has to be holding the 2018 Leaf 2.0 cards, quite close to his vest.
        I just can’t figure out how he can really prevail, with the Chevy Bolt deliveries stealing Goshens Thunder, and the Tesla model 3 production ramp up, just around the corner. With these two Bookends bracketing the Leaf 2.0 update, the Leaf will have bring something remarkable to stay in the EV hunt!

  18. Michael Will says:

    Maybe Microsoft buys Nissan and makes them a success like Nokia. Oh wait…

    Kidding aside -leaf with 200 miles range is a needed refresh in order to stay in business but what about the other many car models they have, when are they going electric as well ?

    Like that nv200 or whatever it was that I never see on the streets

  19. Someone out there says:

    I like the look of it, really nice!

    If Nissan can make it 250 miles and be the range leader in the segment it would be awesome but 220 would be ok too, especially if it also was noticeably cheaper than the Bolt although I doubt it will.

  20. Marty says:

    Should be a better managed Battery system, not air-cooled.

    Also car and your tablet / phone laptop should be able to interact together, whether your personal preferences are android or apple or MS. .this is such a large market (car interactions with the owners and passengers) that every smart car manufacturer should “encourage” their “infotainment supply partners” to play ball and allow the best possible customer experience. eg. I have an android tablet with Sygic (Tom Tom) navigation, and I prefer that , than the old -fashioned out of date Nav that came with my 2013 Volt.
    Interesting times ahead, and 2017 will bring some great announcements.
    Get with it Nissan, or others will continue to Eat Your Lunch

  21. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    A 200+ mile Leaf?

    Gosh, “only” 4.5 years late at this moment… and still counting, because this is only about a Leaf that will come sometime in the future! 🙄

    Now, about the lack of any active thermal management system in the Leaf, Mr. Ghosn… how about fixing that, hmmmm?

    1. Lou says:

      If Hyunadai’s Ioniq EV can do 124 miles with only a 28KwH battery, then Nissan should be able to do at least 150 with a 40 KWH battery.

      1. Mr. M says:

        107 miles/30kWh –> 143 miles/40kWh.

  22. Jonathan B says:

    If Nissan is going to continue to take their sweet time on the Leaf 2, they better start selling a 40kwh Leaf 1 with 130mi of range in the short term at the same price as the current Leaf. A sub $30K 130mi range EV is a very compelling alternative to the Bolt and Model 3 for a lot of people. Even with that, they need to release the 200mi variant by mid 2018 to keep up with their competition.

  23. kubel says:

    Oh cool, LEAF 2.0 coming in the near future. In other news EEStor is about to finish their ultra capacitor and Mitsubishi is about to bring the Outlander PHEV to the US!

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      LOL! Real soon now.

    2. William says:

      Tell me another EEStory about that Mitsubishi NeverLander arriving shortly,here in the US! I will hold my breath with suspense and anticipation!

  24. John says:

    Test drove the Bolt earlier this week. Nisssan will have to come up with something pretty darn good to beat that, and it’s not looking hopeful.

  25. Anonymous says:

    I don’t expect the Bolt to make it to where I live before late spring or early summer, so I’ll at least consider a Leaf with >200 miles of range. But they also need to give it more guts than 107 hp. I don’t need Tesla like performance, but sometimes I do merge with traffic and the first generation’s 0 to 60 time is less than inspiring.

    1. ModernMarvelFan says:

      Highly doubtful that you will get the LEAF before your Bolt even if LEAF is shown next week at NAIAS.

  26. Taser54 says:

    Once again commenters are out in force to attack an EV manufacturer who plans to bring out a better product.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Better than what, exactly? Maybe better than a lead-acid battery powered, low-speed Chinese EV, perhaps.

      But if Nissan is stubbornly sticking to a air-cooled battery pack for the Leaf, then that makes its EV tech worse than any other highway-capable passenger vehicle EV sold in first-world countries.

      1. Kdawg says:

        I think he means better than their last iteration…. continuous improvement and all..

      2. Mr. M says:

        Any other? EGolf, Passat PHEV, iMiev, Renault Zoe, … All air cooled to my knowledge.

        1. ModernMarvelFan says:

          Those are “active” air cooled. It mean there is at least a fan blowing across it.

          LEAF pack doesn’t even have that (the fan).

  27. Zeb says:

    The Bolt is not shipping in huge volumes, 50k yearly production? The Ampera-e is scheduled for launch in 2018 here in Sweden. Tesla M3 best case scenario starts production July 2017 with a 1+ year waiting list for anyone new wanting to join.

    Nissan can present a new Leaf this spring for delivery fall 2017 and should still be able to sell all they can produce. The market still has a very large potential for growth.

    That said I’m disappointed this wasn’t the time for the reveal of the Leaf 2.0.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Reality check: Sales of the Leaf have been dropping off significantly over the last year or so. If my understanding is correct, their current level of sales is only about half what it was just two or three years ago.

      Nissan can sell all the Leafs it can make? Very clearly that’s not true.

      1. Zeb says:

        Was referring to sales of a Leaf 2.0 with 200+ miles EPA and ~35k USD price, if that is what they will eventually announce. Do you think the market for somewhat affordable longish range EVs is very limited?

  28. Erik says:

    Bah, we’re not ‘attacking’ Nissan, I’m just very, very disappointed they’re not showing a real, redesigned, longer range car I can buy in the spring instead of the poor alternatives with only little improvement above 30kWh that are on the market now, like i3, e-Golf, Ioniq etc. basically I had high hopes Nissan would have something up their sleeve that would make me not have to wait another two years or more on the Model 3.

    1. Brandon says:

      Nissan will undoubtably come to market with something longer range soon, and market it in the major markets of the world. BTW, the US market aside, it’s my distinct impression that worldwide the LEAF is leading in sales.

      The Bolt may be ahead in the US, but not elsewhere. In fact, whenever the Bolt is available nationwide, Nissan may at that time (or a not too many months after) have a compelling LEAF that will compete with it. In Europe, and elsewhere, the Ampera-e is still quite a few months away.

  29. JyBicycleOrTesla says:

    What a terrible CES. The only thing exciting was the Ioniq scooter.

  30. Alex says:

    What does it mean, is the presentation of the new Leaf next week?
    Has insideevs any information? When are the first test drives?

    1. Alan says:

      11am Monday !

    2. Erik says:

      I don’t believe in it anymore, we’ve been ‘expecting’ announcements since the Paris show in october (remember the ‘revolution’ that turned out to be a new Micra) and now the ‘substantial’ (NOT) reveal that was hinted at for CES that turned out to be just talk.

      1. Alex says:

        But keep in mind in Europe the Kangoo, a Van will shortly get more range than the Leaf!! (280 vs 250 km). I mean Ghosn is Ceo of both, some stuff like range updates must be planned long time ago…

  31. Peppa says:

    What larger battery for E-NV200?!

  32. John says:

    I’m not going to buy anything Microsoft-related. Sorry.

    1. leafowner says:

      Agree – when MS gets involved, it’s usually near the end of the line for that brand…. I have a M3 reservation (pre-reveal) and CAN’T WAIT to get it — hopefully later this year or early 2018. My 2013 Leaf will be history then.

  33. David Murray says:

    Well, the 200 mile range for the LEAF was not unexpected. In fact, I would not be surprised if part of the delay was that Nissan originally created a new LEAF with somewhat less than 200 miles of range, and suddenly felt threatened by the Bolt EV and Model-3, so they had to go back and figure out how to cram a little more into the car. If they do make different battery sizes for different markets, that would sort of make sense. The Bolt EV will probably have the bulk of its says in the USA. So that will be the primary place Nissan would need to compete with it.

    1. Someone out there says:

      I agree and I actually think that is what Tesla is doing as well. They were hoping that 215 miles would be a good improvement over the current crop of EVs, then Bolt came along and embarrassed them with 238 miles.

      Tesla is the would-be leader in EVs, if they can’t squeeze in more miles than the old dinosaur GM it doesn’t look good on them. They really need to beat GM on this point (which they should do if they give the 3 a 60 kWh battery as well) at the same price point.

      1. David Murray says:

        I never really thought it would be a problem for Tesla, since I always assumed from day one that they would have more than one battery size. And I believe Elon said something to the effect that there would be larger sizes available. So I would think a base model with 215 miles would be fine, as long as they had something larger for the high-end model.

        1. Someone out there says:

          Sure but the if $35k model only goes 215 miles it still looks worse than the Bolt’s 238 miles for $37k. There could be a bigger battery to beat the Bolt but then that car would likely be significantly more expensive than the Bolt and that would bring into question the Gigafactory whose purpose it is to make the batteries the cheapest in the industry.

          1. Doggydogworld says:

            The Model 3 can’t possibly “look worse” than the Bolt, lol.

            Anyway, a 218 mile Model 3 would be “the fastest and least expensive 200 mile EV” (pending Nissan’s announcement). It would also offer better highway range than Bolt and much faster trip times due to faster DC charging.

            It’s more important to quickly ship a well-built Model 3 in volume than for the base model to beat 238.

  34. Murrysville EV says:

    No prototype.
    No delivery date.
    Me-too range is promised.

    *Nothing* special.

    Nobody cares about autonomous technology. We just want the car.

  35. Daniel says:

    Still ugly no sale

  36. cmg186 says:

    Why is Nissan so frequently misquoted as being “the first carmaker to introduce an all-electric vehicle to the mass market”, when in fact, the i-MiEV was first? Especially on an EV enthusiast site? I see this mistake all too often both here, and on GCR. (Though to be fair, I’m unsure if this particular instance is direct from Nissan’s marketing materials.)

    1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

      You can always come with different definition of “mass market” or whatever “market segment” you want to invent to show your “lead” and generate hype.
      In particular Leaf has sold in some quarter million number, while Mitsubishi i MiEV/Peugeot iOn/Citroën C-Zero under 40,000. So it is a bit more.
      But MiEV wasn’t the first either, we have seen numerous series production battery cars starting from 1899 Baker Electric that had much higher market share at that time than Leaf today.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicle

  37. MTN Ranger says:

    Zzzzzzzz

  38. Someone out there says:

    I really don’t want to have a conversation with my car.

    1. Pedro Lima says:

      +1

      Just imagine your wife asking your car where you’ve been.

  39. Ian says:

    60 kwh battery.

    60kwh upgrade battery packs.

    That is all..

  40. carcus says:

    “They” (Nissan, Ford, GM, etc…) don’t want to sell you an EV.

    They do want to rent you time share in an autonomous EV so they can pocket the savings (fuel, maintenance, no driver commercial work, insurance, …).

    That’s why you’ll see foot dragging on EV sales for the next 3 or 4 years until the fully autonomous stuff is ready. Then they’ll want you out of your personally owned vehicle and subscribing to their time share program.

    1. carcus says:

      … so it would make sense for Nissan to offer another sub-par (fast degrading) battery in the mean-time for gen ii Leaf,.. reinforcing the idea that it’s better to lease than to own.

      They’ll save the liquid cooling for the Nissan owned fleet in 2020.

      conspiracy guy, out.

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Good spotting Pete!

      Will add those into the story (with a nod to yourself of course). Thanks!

  41. Bill Howland says:

    “Ghosn holding close to his vest”.

    I’ll say he is!

    Not even a teaser of the new leaf?

    If there is one thing that would frustrate me about EV’s is thinking I overpaid for a car and THEN having the battery deteriorate much much faster than I planned it to.

    Ghosn is now claiming he is FIRST in everything…

    “Nissan was FIRST with EV’s, now Nissan will be FIRST with autonomous driving.”

    Seems like having any kind of a different EV (like one with a big enough battery to actually go someplace) is being put way down on the back burner. Way back.

    1. William says:

      Putting the Range Issue into the calculation of being able to “actually go someplace”, is a predominately well implemented plan by most of the ICE manufacturers, to demonstrate EVs as inherently range hobbled vehicles, unless you want to pay a premium for a Tesla. Now GM has come to the plate with the affordable Bolt, only solving half of the Range Issue. Without adequate charging support, the GM Bolt only solves half of the “actually go someplace” equation. This back burner Range Issue, has its utility tied to the implementation of wide ranging user friendly charging infrastructure.
      GM will limp along, as long as they can, on this critical Fast Charge hinge pin. Tesla and Chargepoint are the only ones who are doing the early and hard heavy lifting when it
      Comes to Fast charging.

      1. Bill Howland says:

        From the video it seems Nissan has decided to go the PHEV route, the Hydrogen route, or the ICE route.

        Not so much emphasis on BEV’s at all. I think Ghosn has ‘moved on’.

  42. BenG says:

    6 years lifespan for a car design is fairly typical. I.e. that’s what the Prius Gen 2 and 3 both ran. By that standard the Leaf is only now running overdue for it’s Gen 2, as it was first sold in Dec. 2010.

    I find the explanation for the delay offered above to be reasonable: deciding that they had to compete directly with the Bolt’s 238 mile range, and so some redesigning over the last year to accomplish that goal. Where they might have initially planned to have something like a 140 mile base model and a 210 mile upgrade option, now they need to at minimum offer 230+ miles as an option for less than the Bolt’s price. I don’t expect the Leaf to offer the performance the Bolt does, but to be more affordably priced.

    1. ModernMarvelFan says:

      So, you are basically saying that Nissan didn’t aim “high enough” when they originally planned the LEAF 2.0. Now after seeing Model 3 prototype and Bolt production model, they have to scramble again to make sure their LEAF2.0 is at least competitive enough.

      So, it is better to delay it and make it competitive than releasing something substandard but on time.

      I can buy that theory. I sure hope it is competitive enough.

      Because so far that Bolt and Model 3 have raised the bar pretty high for everyone else.

  43. Reddy says:

    Imagine! That’s what we’ll have to do for a few years. Thanks Nissan.

  44. Alex says:

    Why so much critics…the Leaf is bestseller, there are sure some people out with some capacity loss but most are satisfied and if the Leaf 2 can battle the Bolt it will be one of the most important EVs in 2017-2018. I trust Nissan can sell 1000000 in first 12 months.

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