VW Group Plans PHEV Onslaught

3 years ago by Eric Loveday 35

VW Group's PHEV Filled Future

VW Group’s PHEV Filled Future

Recently, Volkswagen Group released a future mobility presentation with the cover page as seen directly below:

VW's Future

VW’s Future

In it we find all sorts of plug-in related details, but perhaps most interesting is VW Group’s intense future focus on PHEVs.

VW lists PHEVs as suitable for every need, or for “Unlimited Mobility,” as VW calls it.

PHEVs For Unlimited Mobility

PHEVs For Unlimited Mobility

This tells us that, moving forward, VW feels that all buyers are ready for the PHEV.  Makes sense to us, as a PHEV requires no compromise at all.

Hybrid/PHEV Powertrain Options

Hybrid/PHEV Powertrain Options

You’ll find some specific info for BEVs in VW’s presentation too, including battery energy density targets and even range targets for VW’s various BEVs.

VW “Future Mobility” PDF at this link.

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35 responses to "VW Group Plans PHEV Onslaught"

  1. Priusmaniac says:

    Nice to see an EV golf but why not an EV passat or an EV A4, or then at least an option for an 80 miles battery range PHEV passat and A4.

    Also in the document there is the same strange Toyota idea of going from BEV to Hydrogen Fuel cell. When you are at a BEV why would you revert to an Hydrogen fuel cell, a diesel or a coal fired steam engine by the way? BEV is the summit in technology, not a way step back toward stream engines. If BEV ever get replaced it will only be by something even better equipped with an Hafnium isomer generator for life or a photon energy box sugar cube size for 1000 miles. Technology has that fantastic tendency never to revert but always to improve upon what was there before. It is so much true that there even seem to be a kind of driving force behind this phenomenon, something beyond human control since humans can also be considered as a technological improvement upon animals, upon amphibians, upon bacteria, upon molecules, upon atoms, upon basic big bang gamma rays. Associated with the causality being questioned at short and long time frames, you get into thinking that this leads to what created it, the ultimate form of technology evolution leading to the start of the universe. That is the fundamental basis of Technodeogenesis, what can be seen as the most scientific form of religious beliefs. By the way it is also why I believe warp drive has to be possible and at at least 100000 c rate because that is what would be needed for convenient airline type durations access to nearby stars.

    1. Brian says:

      Wow, that was quite the meandering thought! So when do you guess VW will introduce warp drive at 100k times the speed of light?

      1. Priusmaniac says:

        Their PR would say next year, for sure!

        1. Brian says:

          Couldn’t be. First they would need to publicly state that warp drive is “stupid” and definitely not the future.

          Then they can fire that guy, and state that it’s coming “next year”.

          1. DaveMart says:

            Tee-hee!

            Nice one, Brian!

            VW love everything they have on the forecourt to sell, and hate everything else right up to the time it gets there!

            Fortunately their R&D department seem to take absolutely zero notice of what the company spokespeople say.

            Very wise.

    2. Anderlan says:

      Clearly, you stopped off and got an espressro on the way to work and got your brain off to warp speed while all I’ve got is a watered down Dr. Pepper.

  2. gsned57 says:

    Someone make a PHEV minivan! VW, I want a PHEV California that currently only sells in Europe! I’ll bring cash

    1. Anton Wahlman says:

      Chrysler has announced one, back in early May. Will be introduced in November 2016.

  3. BobbieJamie says:

    I just find that “electrifying all vehicle classes” graphic depressing. So much choice and yet nothing that fits my needs. AWD, a bit of ground clearance, space for four plus a big dog, under 40K…and of course PHEV. Why is that so rare? Surely I can’t be such a niche market. With Mitsubishi dragging its feet on getting the Outlander PHEV to Canada, there’s just nothing out there, despite VW’s grand plans for electrification.

    1. Anton Wahlman says:

      That was the concept car they showed at the January 2013 Detroit auto show, except for the price of course. It will go into production in the next 18-36 months, with the possible exception of the plug-in part. There are just too few people interested in paying for plug-in functionality to justify the high development expense in relation to the volume of cars sold. We’ll see; I think they will produce the plug-in version anyway.

  4. Surya says:

    “VW lists PHEVs as suitable for every need”
    Wrong, it doesn’t suit my need for 100% zero emissions 🙂

  5. GeorgeS says:

    1)I’d be embarrassed to show a slide where energy density is shown at 250 kwh/kg. The units are incorrect. It is wh/kg….only off by a factor of 1000.

    2. as someone mentioned: limited vehicle line up

    3. I can’t believe how space inefficient the FCEV is. Almost as bad as the i8.

    4. Golly gee they envision using H2 as a storage medium for intermittent renewable sources like wind and solar. Seems like that has been discussed here before.

    1. DaveMart says:

      They have discussed using hydrogen for storage of renewables here before and didn’t much fancy it?

      Well, that’s the end of it then!

      If you show me what referenced figures you are using to dismiss it, and how you intend alternatively to charge an electric car when you need to using renewables and not funny stuff of actually using fossil fuels and magical offsets, I will be more than happy to discuss your numbers.

      1. GeorgeS says:

        I didn’t dismiss it. I merely said it has been discussed here before.

        1. DaveMart says:

          Fair enough! 😉

  6. Doug B says:

    No BEVs in the future?

    1. DaveMart says:

      They are already in production with the E-Up and E-Golf, but aren’t doing any more models pending better batteries.

      Audi have chalked out a couple of cars using higher energy density batteries in a couple of years or so’s time.

  7. pjwood says:

    DaveMart is going to be all over this, but the fact remains VW sees battery weight as an enemy over the natural appeal of lower cost, cleaner energy, in motoring. It’s crystal clear that they the ICE as something you enhance with electricity, not the other way around.

    If VWG cares about their consumers, they can try different PHEV battery sizes and see what they want, rather than the obvious miss of favoring the less expensive to produce, 15-20 mile teasers that they have chosen to place in ALL of VW, Audi and Porsche’s cars. To me, 10kwh is a serving of Spam. OK,Spam that’s fun to drive.

    1. DaveMart says:

      How do you know that they are not going to offer different battery sizes?

      I think the way they have engineered it shows that they almost certainly will.

      What they have done is allow enough space to put in a battery which meets Chinese and European regulations to count as a car you can use as zero emissions in the city.

      That is a 50km AER on the NEDC.

      So that as they follow their roadmap and increase battery energy density, they can put in more AER without a total redesign.

      In my view they are likely to offer both pack sizes as an option, as a lot of people so not need an AER of ~35 miles, and 22 miles will do them fine.

      So they have effectively given the GM Volt the compliment of copying it, once their better batteries arrive in a couple of years or so.

      Toyota OTOH have taken the line that they will have to increase the pack density just to hit the 50km target, and batteries even with the likely increase over the next c0o0uple of years with the space they have allowed will not be able to hit Volt like range.

      So in my view VW have engineered in battery and AER options for perhaps 2016-7

  8. GeorgeS says:

    From the presentation:

    Here is an energy conversion daisy chain that will make your head spin:

    Wind–> electricity—-> electrolysis —> H2 —-> Power plant —–> electricity —> EV

    Wouldn’t it be easier to just use Nuclear?

    1. DaveMart says:

      At least they have safeguarded themselves from the danger of tsunami’s hitting their nuclear plants in Bavaria! 🙂

      That is what I think too, but there is some wonderful engineering going into what appears to be a daft objective.

      1. DaveMart says:

        I should add that what they are doing works way, way better in the US.

        More sun, more wind, less winter.

        1. pjwood says:

          If battery storage at the utility level is only beginning to get off the ground (with CA’s first-of-kind ~1.3gw mandate), it is extremely doubtful, and long-viewed, to believe less efficient large-scale hydrogen conversion will ever see the light of day. Another step in between is what they’re doing out west. They’re creating molten salt with both solar PV, or mirrors. They get the stuff to a 500-1,500 degree window and can let the sun set, and still have ~100MW of thermal power, hours afterward. This is more efficient, and will be commercially pursued among numerous other things (pumped storage, etc), before H2.

          1. pjwood says:

            H2 is “possible”, but the argument against it, in so many ways, is that it doesn’t $$ work.

            Sort of like saying “1.5V cracks water”, then selectively omitting how much net energy is still required.

          2. DaveMart says:

            Its a question of cost versus scale.
            Batteries can work for overnight storage, but you need something way cheaper for really large scale seasonal storage.

            That means hydrogen, as pumped water and so on are more geography dependent, you need a handy mountain!

            CAES is no more efficient than hydrogen, and brings a host of other problems hydrogen does not have.

            1. Phr3d says:

              I gather you need a mountain due to the quantity of water? I thought utilities were using ever larger storage tanks?

              I’ll try again as to hydrogen storage, where and how large is the storage – using available caverns or what is the container?

              1. Phr3d says:

                nm, found your link in Toyota / Bob Carter topic, thanks!

  9. So VW tries everything to continue their bonzen price ICE service and replacement parts business.

  10. evnow says:

    So, they will have a PHEV SUV – Q7 .. this year ? Is it coming to US ?

    1. DaveMart says:

      Very likely, I would have thought, as there is a big market for that sort of vehicle in the US.

      I think what has put VW’s nose out of joint is the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, as they don’t fancy doing that sort of format that cheaply and were hoping for sales on a Toureg PHEV whenever that comes into production.

      Mind you, the Volvo PHEV is selling well, and that is far from cheap.

      1. Jay Cole says:

        Evnow,

        No wont be this year. The ‘regular’ Q7 was due to have the upgrade this year, but it didn’t get done in time (moving to the MLB Evoplatform)…or they wanted to make some more money of the current (and very old) version.

        The next gen ICE Q7 drops now as a MY 2016 middle of next year…this model will have the plug-in option added as part of its lineup (reportedly) shortly thereafter. Then your going to see similar plug-in setups on the same platform (ala the A3) under different models and brand names.

        Educated WAG for US would be late 2015/early 2016 for the PHEV Q7. We will know for sure shortly though, pretty much a given its going to bow at the 2014 Paris show in October (which we hope to attend)

  11. Spec9 says:

    GM should be dominating this sector. But all they’ve managed to do is add the Caddy ELR to the line-up so far, an amazingly poorly thought out vehicle.

  12. mutle says:

    Does this mean the Audi R8 E-tron BEV with 250mile range is canceled again?