Volkswagen To Unveil New Electric Concept Car At CES

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Volkswagen intends to use the 2016 CES show in January to present a new electric car concept.

Earlier, Chevrolet decided to unveil its production-intent version of the Bolt at CES, as will Faraday Future present its first concept plug-in.

It seems that the growing electronics technology in the automotive market, especially found in the electric and autonomous cars, is eating away at some valuable debuts at established car shows like the NAIAS. Instead, some automakers are choosing CES for their big debuts.

As of now, we don’t know much about the Volkswagen concept. It very well could just be part of a PR move to deflect from “Diesel Gate” and give the brand more of a ‘sustainability’ feel. However, we hope it’s an announcement of a new model which will enter production in the coming years.

“The Consumer Technology Association (CTA)™, formerly the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA)®, announced today that Dr. Herbert Diess, chairman, board of management, Volkswagen Passenger Cars, will deliver a keynote address at the upcoming CES® 2016. Diess will use the CES stage to launch an all-electric concept car while focusing his remarks on electric mobility driving the automotive market. Owned and produced by CTA, CES 2016 runs January 6-9, 2016 in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Herbert Diess’ keynote is scheduled for 8:30 PM, Tuesday, January 5 at the Cosmopolitan’s Chelsea Theater. He will debut a new era of electric mobility, including Volkswagen’s groundbreaking electric vehicle that will further illustrate the synergy between the Internet of Things and the automotive industry.”

Gary Shapiro, president and CEO of CTA (the organization behind CES), said:

“We welcome Herbert Diess to CES to share Volkswagen’s vision for the future, including the company’s commitment to sustainability. We are pleased Volkswagen will use the CES stage to unveil a concept car displaying its latest developments in safe and energy-efficient electric vehicles consistent with VW’s long history of innovation in the driving experience.”

“CES is a celebration of diverse ideas. Our stage is open to those who bring innovation and can showcase how technology is changing the world, at times open even to those who bring controversy. When we agreed to a Volkswagen keynote earlier this year we, along with the world, did not know much about emissions testing, but after talking with Dr. Diess I felt the CES audience would be interested in his vision and curious about his plans for a new type of sustainable car. Now, VW has an opportunity at CES to show the world its designs for the future and how the company views electric mobility and sustainability.”

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56 responses to "Volkswagen To Unveil New Electric Concept Car At CES"

  1. R.S says:

    I just hope it isn’t another XL1 concept car, which will only know the mass market through far tales.

    1. Rich says:

      Exactly. Concept cars are nothing more than marketing with no commitment or substance.
      VW refuses to sell the electric car they manufacture nationwide. The e-Golf is only sold in compliance States. We’re to believe the move to electric mobility from a company engaging in EV compliance car tactics. What a joke.

  2. kosee says:

    Is something wrong with the e-golf? I thought it just needs a larger battery?

    1. RexxSee says:

      Exactly! Instead of another vaporware concept, any existing car can be converted to electric drive. Just DO IT!

      1. Dave K. says:

        While technically true the best EVs were designed from the start, if you try to cram that giant battery in an existing model something always suffers.

    2. SparkEV says:

      eGolf needs active battery cooling. Lower price would be nice, too, such as SEL for $27.5K, SE for $25K, DCFC standard on all.

      1. Why does it need liquid cooling?

        1. SparkEV says:

          Not liquid cooling, but active cooling so it can handle higher average power when fast charging. Even a fan would help though something like SparkEV would be better.

          1. Djoni says:

            You’re so 2012!
            Why not solid state battery that doesn’t need any cooling or heating that’s it.
            Redemption has a price.

            1. SparkEV says:

              You always need active cooling. For example, if the battery can tolerate 120kW sustained without active cooling, it may tolerate 500kW sustained with active cooling.

              1. x says:

                stricly logically what you say is false. From your words, If a battery can sustain 120kW it may sustain more with active cooling. This contradicts the first statement i.e. “you always NEED active cooling”. You don’t. You NEED it only IF you want 500kW power.
                (see leaf)

                1. SparkEV says:

                  Leaf if a perfect example why you need active cooling. Can you get by without it? Sure you can. Can you get by with 14 seconds 0-60MPH? Sure you can (ie, iMiev).

    3. Dan says:

      If there was an e-Golf Sportwagen on sale with a 100 mile range, I would buy it yesterday!

      1. 3laine says:

        Put me down for one, too!

    4. MTN Ranger says:

      Make a Passat with a 60-70kWh battery pack and I’m satisfied. That would be great.

    5. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      kosee asked:

      “Is something wrong with the e-golf? I thought it just needs a larger battery?”

      Well of course there’s something wrong with the e-Golf. It’s a conversion car. Compelling EVs are designed from the ground up; they are not created by shoehorning an electric drive into a gasmobile!

      The Golf isn’t designed to have a large battery pack inserted into it. Where would they put a larger pack? Fill up the trunk with it, perhaps? Even that would unfavorably change the weight distribution.

      Large battery packs belong on the bottom of the car, which is where they are on the Tesla Model S, the BMW i3, and very likely the GM Bolt. Shoehorning them into other areas, such as with the GM Volt and the e-Golf, is not how you create a compelling EV.

      1. Djoni says:

        So is the Leaf the I-miev and the SmartED.

      2. wavelet says:

        The e-Golf isn’t a conversion. The 7th-gen Golf platform was designed ground-up to accommodate multiple drivetrain types incl. BEV & PHEV.
        Look it up, esp. diagrams of the battery placement. It doesn’t have a completely rectangular battery because it’s still a compact car.

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          wavelet said:

          “The e-Golf isn’t a conversion. The 7th-gen Golf platform was designed ground-up to accommodate multiple drivetrain types incl. BEV & PHEV.”

          If you design a tool to be both a hammer and a screwdriver, it won’t do either job well. Same for a car body designed to function both as a BEV and as a gasmobile.

          You don’t like the term “conversion car” for the e-Golf? Well I suppose we can use the term “compromised car” instead.

      3. Dan says:

        If you ask me, the e-Golf is far more dynamically stable than the regular Golf. If you ask me, the entire Golf range including variants and the Tiguan are electric ready. The new NEB platform will only be required for larger cars.

  3. Pedro says:

    Wouldn’t mind if it was an upgraded Volkswagen Nils with two seats instead of just one. It would be a great commuter car.

  4. kdawg says:

    Sounds like they are going to join the “super-connectivity-smart-car-auto-drive” bandwagon.

    Just give us more/cheaper 200 mile BEVs please. I don’t need my car to suggest a restaurant.

    1. SparkEV says:

      So true. SparkEV comes with free onstar, but I’ve used it only once to see how it works. All the fluff is just fluff.

      1. kdawg says:

        I did not renew my OnStar after 3 years of free use. Only feature I used was the ability to remotely start my car w/my phone and pull data via Voltstats. Not worth OnStar prices for that.

  5. James says:

    I’d love to see an electric CC. Or Phaeton. I would love love love an electric Phaeton.

    1. tom911 says:

      You’ll have to wait till at least 2020 for that ‘beauty’… ugh

      http://ecomento.com/2015/12/02/volkswagen-electric-phaeton-delayed-until-2020/

  6. Sublime says:

    I think there’s a big sweet spot opening up that they could capitalize on. A $50k-$60k passat sized car that gets 200-250 miles of range. Basically a bigger, more luxurious Bolt. Until Tesla comes out with the model 3, a car like that could steal a lot of model S sales.

    1. Dan says:

      I’m of the belief that 200 miles feels like a holy grail because of Tesla and the lack of fast charging infrastructure. Even if prices come down, there is a point for a lot of people beyond about 150 miles where it doesn’t make sense to lug around a bunch of lithium bricks even if you can. I wouldn’t be surprised if the market settles on two successful models – one driven by the Tesla approach and the other driven by BMW and Nissan. Chevy still doesn’t seem to have decided what it wants to be.

      1. MTN Ranger says:

        Hopefully as battery tech gets better, you can have both larger kWh with smaller physical size pack.

      2. protomech says:

        “I’m of the belief that 200 miles feels like a holy grail because of Tesla and the lack of fast charging infrastructure. Even if prices come down, there is a point for a lot of people beyond about 150 miles where it doesn’t make sense to lug around a bunch of lithium bricks even if you can. I wouldn’t be surprised if the market settles on two successful models – one driven by the Tesla approach and the other driven by BMW and Nissan. Chevy still doesn’t seem to have decided what it wants to be.”

        Maybe. I don’t have access to Tesla’s sales breakdown, but Tesla has a reasonably wide-spread quick-charging network and multiple battery sizes over 200 miles and I bet the 85 and 90 kWh models still far out-sell the 70 kWh model.

        Granted, the jump between $80k and $90k is relatively much smaller than the jump between $25k and $35k. Ignoring price for a minute, though, I think 150 miles is still not “quite” there.

        1. Consider that the sweet spot for quick-charging is around 20% to 70%. Gives you a bit of range to find an alternative at the bottom end, and avoids the worst part of the charge taper at the top end. That’s only 75 miles on a 150 mile vehicle, which at best means stopping about every hour for ~20 minutes (~220 mph).

        If you stretch to 100 miles between stops (20% to 87%), your charge times increase by about 60%, to ~32 minutes (~187 mph).

        A 200 mile car is still in the sweet spot at 100 mile intervals (20% to 70%). A 60 kWh car might initially be connector-limited at a 100 kW charging station, but should be able to take a 50% charge in about 20 minutes still (~300 mph).

        The real-world charging speed of the 200 mile car, assuming chemistries similar to today’s chemistries, is going to be 20 to 60% higher than the 150 mile car. On a 500 mile trip, that’s a difference between ~70 minutes of charging and ~120 minutes of charging.

        How much is an hour of your time worth charging each way? I don’t know if people would pay ~$5000 – between say a 50 kWh and a 65 kWh EV – over the life of the vehicle to save the time, but it might instead be the difference between “this could work for me” and “this isn’t quite there yet”.

        2. Repeat the above, but in cold temperatures and with a little bit of pack degradation (5-10%).

        1. SparkEV says:

          Well, if you ignore cost, why stop at 200 miles? Why not 500 miles range?

          One can spend extra money to get 200 miles range battery for those extremely rare times they need to drive 500 miles and shave 1 hour. But 2 hours of driving is a good compromise for most bio breaks.

          I think 160 miles at 65 MPH is sweet spot. 2 hours of driving + 15 miles for AC/heat + 15 miles spare.

      3. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Dan said:

        “…there is a point for a lot of people beyond about 150 miles where it doesn’t make sense to lug around a bunch of lithium bricks even if you can.”

        Let’s do a reality check here: Auto manufacturers in the US tend to size the fuel tanks in their gasmobiles to achieve at least 300 miles per tank.

        Now let’s review the advantages of a larger battery pack:

        1. Longer range

        2. Faster charging

        3. On long trips, longer times between stops for charging

        4. Less loss of capacity as the battery ages, due to fewer charging cycles

        Now, just how many EV owners would not want all of those advantages? Darn few, I’d say!

  7. David Schurig says:

    Maybe they re-worked the Bulli again. If they can make that thing look more like the original, I think it’s a winner.

  8. Cavaron says:

    Don’t like the word concept. It’s like politicians say they give a press conference at which they will present a fantasy of theirs instead of things they are going to do for real.

  9. Josh says:

    I really don’t think VW needs another electric concept car. I wonder if the new CEO could even name all of the plug-in concepts they have floating around.

  10. Anon says:

    Whatever it ends up being, they should name it the VW “BrAmp”. 😉

  11. EVDUDE says:

    I am going to be a be a cynic and say this is marketing BS.

    These concepts sit motionless at the stand, they can claim 300 mile range and crazy 0-60 times without having a working battery inside. Just cobble something they had lying around, polish the hell out of it and call it ‘the future’.

    They would not be unveiling anything if it wasn’t for Dieselgate !

    1. Josh says:

      I don’t know. VW/Audi/Porsche seem to have a new concept car for every auto show, regardless of continent.

      1. pjwood1 says:

        Yes, but can you see Porsche going to CES? Who cares about 4-wheel steering, when Apple Play is in the house?

        1. Josh says:

          You are right.

          This will probably be some self-driving ride-sharing app-development concept, to win back tech customers to the VW brand.

      2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Josh said:

        “VW/Audi/Porsche seem to have a new concept car for every auto show, regardless of continent.”

        Yes, and that’s the problem. It’s not fair to single out Volkswagen, either. Most if not all large auto makers do the same.

        The problem is that large auto makers keep creating new concept cars to attract attention, then they lie about having plans to turn them into actual production cars, again to attract attention to their brand.

        What we need is more innovative car designs in actual production models*… and a lot less of the flash-and-glitter of ridiculously impractical “concept cars”.

        *When I say actual production models, I mean actual mass production, not something like the absurdly limited 250 “production” units of the VW XL1.

  12. Take the VW ‘BEATTLE’, hang a new floor pan under it designed for electric drive and battery placement, give it 125 to 135 miles range per charge, price it at $32,000 before incentives, and they could have a new ‘Peoples Car’, or Volks Wagon!

    Since they like CCS do much, that port should be standard, along with a 7.2 kW onboard charger standard! Make a 10 kW charger option, and a CHAdeMO choice over top of the CCS, and they could sell it in any market!

    Of course, the VW Bus – BUELLI, looked great too, and would also be a great addition!

    Now if they could be swift, they could announce a Supercharger partnersip with Tesla, and add that option to any of their 200 mile or more range vehicles!

    1. SparkEV says:

      $32K before incentives is too high, considering SparkEV is selling for $24K in Mexico. VW should license SparkEV and fix some shortcomings (eg torque steer) and lower the price bit more to $22K and call it “people’s EV”.

      1. CopperRoad says:

        VW already has a Spark-like EV in the UP. Just not available in North America.

        http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/e-up-nf/home

        1. SparkEV says:

          eUp is more like Mitsubishi iMiev with 0-60 in over 11 seconds. SparkEV is 7.2 seconds.

          eUp is also slow to charge with “fast” charge taking 1 hour to 80% while SparkEV would take bit over 20 minutes.

          eUp costs $35K, about $9K more than SparkEV.

          So eUp is priced like Leaf SV/SL, almost as slow as iMiev, slow to charge than any DCFC capable EV. It’s definitely not SparkEV.

          1. CopperRoad says:

            hence, the spark-like wording. as in, not 100% comparable. in size and range it’s comparable. But totally agree with you. I’d much rather have a Spark EV. I really liked my time in one.

      2. Ambulator says:

        I wonder if the Mexican SparkEV has the same safety equipment that Americans get? The same number of airbags, for instance?

        1. SparkEV says:

          Good question. Where’s Peter Savagian when you need him?

  13. Someone out there says:

    Enough with the damn concepts, please! Why don’t you present an real car instead, something that will actually be produced?

    1. mustang_sallad says:

      You mean like the eGolf, or Golf GTE, or eUp, or Passat GTE?

      1. Someone out there says:

        Yes that’s right, we need updated versions of these with decent specs.

  14. PVH says:

    Other continent other reality.

    From the USA it seems VW group plugins = vaporware.
    As seen from Europe, totally different, just in the Netherlands for ex. VW group sold 1800+ plug ins (PHEV’s mostly) in November alone. Just to compare that is more than what Tesla has sold there in Nov. They are currently hitting gold. The only thing is that for whatever reason it seems many car makers are reluctant to export to the USA (Mitsu for ex.), which gives you this “vaporware” feeling.

    1. PVH says:

      read “more than what Tesla has sold there since beginning 2015” instead.

    2. pjwood1 says:

      Truth hurts. What I understand are some images being shown Germans, of diesel coal-rolling Americans who are picking on poor little Volkswagen, are actually Americans rolling coal 😉 .

      We’re the long-distance market. Our gas is legendary, for its relative cheapness. Perception is hard to break.

      1. Samwise says:

        The fact you have a bunch of politicians with sufficient public backing that they are willing to stand on the international stage and denounce the science showing we need electric cars probably doesn’t help your case much either….

        1. spike says:

          I don’t know what politicians you’re talking about. We have far to many politicians who go to Europe and act as if the US auto market is no different than say Germany or France. B>S> Germany is the size of Montana, France is the size of Texas. The distance from Germany to France is zero, the distance from Texas to Montana is 1000 miles.
          In the US these type distances driven are routine. That is just one reason why the electric auto has a long way to go to replace gas in the US. pun intended.