Toyota To Trial Mirai Fuel Cell In China

4 months ago by Anthony Karr 44

Coinciding with the start of these tests, the brand will also establish a hydrogen station in the country.

Toyota Mirai

After reaching the cold winters in Scandinavia, the United Kingdom, the United States, Australia, and other places around the world, the eco-friendly Toyota Mirai will finally travel to China for first demonstration tests in the country.

As a part of the “Accelerating the Development and Commercialization of Fuel Cell Vehicles in China” project the Japanese company will promote the fuel-cell vehicle for three years between 2017 and 2020.

More specifically, Toyota says, it will conduct research into vehicle performance within the environment in China, research into the quality of China’s hydrogen, as well as a variety of quality and durability evaluations.

Currently, there are five hydrogen stations in China, which are located in the metropolitan regions of Beijing, Shanghai, and Guangzhou. Toyota plans to establish one more station at the so-called TMEC, the brand’s Chinese research and development base, which will become the first of its kind in Changshu. The manufacturer will partner with the government and local business organizations to “explore the potential for the creation of a hydrogen-based society.”

Toyota Mirai

If you’ve been wondering how many Mirais have been sold already, Toyota claims it has delivered approximately 3,000 examples from December 2014 through February this year. These cars have been sold in Japan, the United States and Europe, where hydrogen infrastructure is expanding.

As for China, the greenest Toyotas currently on sale in the country are the Corolla Hybrid and Levin Hybrid models, both of which feature locally produced hybrid units. The Japanese marque has delivered a total of 90,000 units of both the hybrid models as of the end of March 2017.

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44 responses to "Toyota To Trial Mirai Fuel Cell In China"

  1. jelloslug says:

    Gotta dump them somewhere…

    1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

      Enjoy your diesel smell, slug!

      1. Nick says:

        Diesel accounts for practically zero percent of US electricity generation.

        No diesel smell from BEVs. 😀

        1. SJC says:

          Those coal fired power plants on the other hand…

          1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            …are growing fewer every year, except in China.

            Thanks for reminding us that driving a PEV (Plug-in EV) gets “cleaner” every year! 😀

            Too bad about those dirty “fool cell” cars.

      2. jelloslug says:

        I have a Model S with bio-hazard mode. I don’t smell anything

      3. floydboy says:

        Oops, resorted to name-calling! Negative 20 points! The win goes to jelloslug!

        1. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven says:

          There was no name calling. It was just a shortening of a screen name, boy.

          1. floydboy says:

            When you call certain people “BOY” it may mean more than you grasp!

            1. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven says:

              Oh boy, I’m in trouble again!

              #TrollLivesMatter

  2. Chris O says:

    Chinese officials are pretty corrupt which is the sort of environment in which the hydrogen hoax thrives as its spectacular inroads with CARB demonstrate. However they are also pretty desperate for a short term solution for their quickly increasing oil dependence and the smog problems in their cities so they will not value hydrogen’s red herring factor as much as the traditional car industry always has.

    This could be a tough sell….

  3. CCIE says:

    Fool Cell….what a waste of time & effort that Toyota could have spent building real PHEVs & BEVs.

    Instead we got the joke that was the Plug-In-Prius, and now the Prius Prime which can’t even equal the specs of a Gen1 Volt. It’s just sad that a major automaker doesn’t get it yet, after being so right with the original Prius.

    1. Bacardi says:

      The Prime outsold the Volt last month and is poised it beat it this year…GM could have outstanding Voltec sales by offering it in other platforms such as the AWD Equinox…

      1. CCIE says:

        Many of those Prius Prime sales are upsells of regular Prius customers. It’s an easy upsell, and the people buying them aren’t doing their homework or test driving the Volt.

        I agree that GM should offer Voltec in an Equinox size SUV. But, they aren’t ready to cannibalize high-margin SUV sales yet.

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          To be fair, I’ve seen reports that the selling price (after incentives) for the Prius Prime is actually lower than for the other Prius models, at least in some markets.

          So yeah, it’s an easy sell… not really an “upsell” at all, given it’s a lower price in many cases.

          I’m irked that many or most Chevy dealers don’t seem to be making any attempt to sell the Bolt EV, but to be fair, the Toyota salesmen have a much easier job of selling the Prius Prime.

  4. jheartney says:

    So we’re going from five all the way up to six hydrogen filling stations in all 3.7 million square miles of China. That brings it down to a mere 616,000 square miles covered per station. Those Mirals will be making cross-country trips in no time!

    1. Chris O says:

      Hydrogen infrastructure is prohibitively expensive, it only works if the people can be made to pay for it as is mostly the case so far in other markets.

      Maybe that makes the People Republic of China the ideal candidate for this technology!

      1. Mikael says:

        China has engineers and economists at the top in charge of the country. They “force” people and companies in the right direction, but they do the proper calculations before they do it.

        Hydrogen did not pass the test…

    2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      jheartney said:

      “Those Mirals will be making cross-country trips in no time!”

      As Toyota puts it, Mirais will be “flying off the shelves!” (Well, it’s a remarkably small shelf.)
      😉

      1. mike W. says:

        Flying off the shelves along side the pigs.

  5. floydboy says:

    The trick is getting government to foot the bill for building the stations, then rake in the fueling dough to private hands. A good scheme if you can pull it off. It’s going to be a matter of getting the Chinese to go for the SMR hydrogen as opposed to the more expensive electrolysis derived stuff.

    1. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven says:

      China wastes 20% of its wind power! For you fans of fractions, that’s 1/5th of all wind power generated in China. In 2015, China curtailed a whopping 33.9 billion kilowatt hours (kWh) of windpower preventing it from being delivered to the grid. That 33.9 billion kWh could have made a whole lot of green hydrogen. Just sayin’.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-power-renewables-idUSKCN0WJ124

      https://www.greenbiz.com/article/chinas-wind-power-conundrum

      1. Chris O says:

        What a waste! If only there was a cost effective way to put those durably generated electrons to work. Too bad Hydrogen isn’t it, certainly not in cars.

        Anyway, 2 out 3 of those wasted electrons would still be wasted in the conversion process. If only there was a way to save those electrons that was cost effective …maybe something with batteries…

        Oh wait, that’s already being done and actually expected to be a $6 billion market by 2020:

        http://insideevs.com/general-electric-bets-big-battery-energy-storage-systems/

        1. floydboy says:

          BINGO! Thank you!

      2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        sven continued his science-denier “hydrogen economy” propaganda:

        “China wastes 20% of its wind power! …That 33.9 billion kWh could have made a whole lot of green hydrogen.”

        …and then about 2/3 or 3/4 of that 33.0 billion kWh would have been wasted in all the energy-wasting steps that hydrogen has to go thru before it actually gets into the tank of a “fool cell” car.

        But science-denier Sven is here to tell us why it’s so much better to waste most of the energy, rather than using it directly to charge up EVs!

        * * * * *

        Perhaps they could add a few extra steps:

        1) Use the hydrogen in a fool cell to generate electricity

        2) Use the electricity to electrolyze water to hydrogen and oxygen

        Steps one and two can be repeated as many times as necessary to get to the desired level of inefficiency.

        –- John Hollenberg, comment at InsideEVs.com, September 24, 2015

  6. S'toon says:

    Why would anyone call hydrogen fuel cell vehicles “eco-friendly?” How many times must we point out that 95% of hydrogen is produced from natural gas, a process that produces CO2. Also, HFC vehicles are actually LESS efficient than ICE vehicles.

    1. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven says:

      In the US, 65% of the electricity for the grid is produced from fossil fuels, a process that produces CO2. We should compare well-to-wheels (WTW) CO2 emissions of EVs and HFCVs.

      The hydrogen currently dispensed at California hydrogen fueling stations is 46% renewable. California law mandates a minimum of 33% renewable hydrogen be sold at hydrogen stations. In comparison, on the US electric grid only 15% of the electricity is generated from renewables, with 6.5% from hydropower, 5.6% from wind, and only 0.9% from solar.

      The TrueZero hydrogen fueling pumps have sustainability labels that show the WTW CO2 emissions from the hydrogen dispensed from that particular pump.

      A TrueZero pump that dispenses hydrogen sourced form 100% natural gas with 33.6% renewable biogas has WTW CO2 emissions of 158 grams/mile while a BEV charged on the California grid has WTW CO2 emissions of 117 grams/mile.

      A TrueZero pump that dispenses hydrogen sourced form 100% renewable feedstock has WTW CO2 emissions of 62 grams/mile while a BEV charged on the California grid has WTW CO2 emissions of 117 grams/mile.

      Hydrogen with a 46% renewable mix would have WTW CO2 emissions somewhere between 62 grams per mile and 158 grams per mile.

      http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/california-greenhouse-gases-cut-more-than-23-million-pounds-by-fuel-cell-cars-powered-by-true-zeros-hydrogen-network—-the-equivalent-to-planting-a-forest-nine-times-the-size-of-disneyland-300391645.html

      https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

      1. ROFLOL says:

        A link to an outlet that reprints propaganda provided by outside sources, in this case the hydrogen lobby? You need better material…

        1. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven says:

          You need to adjust your tinfoil foil hat. PR Newswire aggregates the press releases of companies from around the globe, even Tesla press releases. This particular press release came from TrueZero, a company that owns a network of 19 hydrogen stations in California, and not the hydrogen lobby. If you’re in California, you can go the the actual TrueZero hydrogen stations and see the sustainability labels on the pumps for yourself.

          You need a better tinfoil hat, not to mention a better conspiracy theory. . .

          1. Get Real says:

            And I drive by multiple times per day one of these 19 “sites” (co-located at a gas station (it is actually only one pump placed as faraway as possible from all the other pumps.

            In the thousands of times I have driven by it have seen exactly one lonely (and ugly as hell) Coyota Mirage, er Mirai refilling there!!!

            As usual, despite the massive taxpayer funded subsidies thrown at the fool cell boondoggle, H2 is always perpetually the fuel of the future!

            Meanwhile, I can’t go three blocks without seeing a PEV and half my neighborhood has put up home solar.

            So keep shilling and keep trolling sven!

          2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            sven said:

            “You need to adjust your tinfoil foil hat.”

            This coming from someone trying to promote the “Hydrogen Economy” hoax. 🙄

            Dude, try looking in a mirror. That tinfoil hat is on your head.

      2. CCIE says:

        I never would have guessed that there are people who support fuel cells cars, aside from those out to make money on them.

        Hydrogen may be the most abundant element in the universe, but it’s not that easy to come by on Earth. Using electricity and/or natural gas to make it is crazy when directly using electricity in an EV is an option.

      3. Ambulator says:

        For now you can do that but I doubt you could produce enough biogas to move all the cars on the roads today.

        1. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven says:

          A new renewable hydrogen plant is being built in near Palm Springs, California, and the first phase will produce 1,000kg of H per day. The economics of the plant rely on a power purchase agreement that was used to buy solar and wind energy at a very low cost. If there is enough demand in the future, the output can easily be expanded in phase two.

          “. . .would result in North America’s largest zero-emission hydrogen power plant. The 2.5-megawatt Zero Impact Production (ZIP) hydrogen facility in Palm Springs, California will use Hydrogenics’ state-of-the-art PEM electrolyzers to convert wind and solar energy into 1,000 kilograms of renewable hydrogen per day.”

          “The Palm Springs region in California has an abundance of wind and solar power. By using StratosFuel’s power purchase agreement, Hydrogenics electrolyzers will enable StratosFuel to provide clean renewable hydrogen to hundreds of fuel cell vehicles every day in the Southern California region.”

          https://www.gasworld.com/north-americas-largest-100-renewable-hydrogen-plant-ahead/2011670.article

          Likewise, Norway is planning to export liquid hydrogen made from excess renewable energy.
          http://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-hydrogen-race-idUSKBN17U1QA

      4. Djoni says:

        Why use the top of the art reclaiming technique to compare hydrogen fuel to old sinking electric generation?

        This is comparing apple to banana, because there is much better way to produce electricity, and the world knows it.

        Most of new electrical production plant come from renewable more than anything else, and it just keep growing as time pass.

        We are also better at matching production and demand.

        This makes the grid cleaner each day that goes by.

        It’s a fast moving target and you missed it.

    2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      S’toon asked:

      “Why would anyone call hydrogen fuel cell vehicles ‘eco-friendly?’ ”

      1. Shills for Big Oil, who try to use the “hydrogen economy” hoax to promote a fake alternative to battery-electric cars

      2. Science deniers who think the Laws of Thermodynamics are a matter of opinion

      3. Tesla stock shorters, grasping at straws for anything to suggest that Tesla is going down the wrong path with its EV tech.

      Pretty much, those are the only people left who are still denying the reality that compressed hydrogen is very nearly the worst possible choice for an everyday transportation fuel.

    3. Norman says:

      Yep, Absolutely right why will anyone not just China dump more Co2 into atmosphere in the name of driving an alternative energy vehicle. Inefficient it is.

  7. Roy LeMeur says:

    “explore the potential for the creation of a hydrogen-based society.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    1. Wu-Ting-H2` says:

      Here’s Panasonic, Tesla’s partner in the GiggleFactory to explain it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87H2A20Sffw

      Do you think the Musk-Rat calls fuel cells “fool cells” when he’s on the phone to his battery partner? HAHAHAHAAH the joke’s on those who believed the pied piper of lithium.

      1. Djoni says:

        In the video”..IF we can create those technologies, we could create a better society”
        If pigs could fly, we would run for shelter.
        If, if, if, hurry.

  8. Mikael says:

    The first thing they need to do is to add a larger battery and a plug.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      …and then get rid of the fuel cell and the fuel tank.

      Presto! How to turn a Mirai into a practical electric car.

  9. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    Will Big Oil lobbyists manage to convince politicians in China to fund a stupid and counter-productive boondoggle of using taxypayer money to fund hydrogen fueling stations for “fool cell” cars, as they have in Japan and California?

    Let’s hope not!

  10. PRN says:

    Rav4 BEV which Toyota made for CA compliance purposes only in a limited number, and for whatever reason seem to have made no effort to manufacture or market them elsewhere in the world.

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